[12:50] <Unit193> daily-live is a no go for now (Build failed) daily installs for 32 following notes: Guest is back (working), we have user select (Unity-greeter with no bg), still need to select the second Xubuntu Session, all menu items are there!
[12:50] <Unit193> astraljava , gridcube , charlie-tca ^^^
[12:51] <charlie-tca> um, daily-live has failed for three days. 
[12:51] <charlie-tca> There have been no new images since monday for it
[12:52] <charlie-tca> Unit193: thanks for testing!
[12:52] <Unit193> So I shouldn't even bother reminding?
[12:52] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Figured I may as well give you all the info!
[12:52] <charlie-tca> yes, remind
[12:53] <charlie-tca> It is good to know someone else is trying them
[12:53] <Unit193> Warning: I may have missed a few errors as I was up all night (Isn't Retrieving file *** of 897 in alt install a bit high?)
[12:54] <charlie-tca> oh, by the way. The desktop images are being built for today now
[12:54] <charlie-tca> might be an hour or two until we get them.
[12:55] <charlie-tca> nah, that sounds about right
[12:55] <Unit193> Hope this helps a little more (Know what you're getting into?)
[12:59] <charlie-tca> It does. I missed part of that when I looked here
[13:01] <charlie-tca> and, jibel was able to find the issue with encrypted /home, too. Now that bug will get worked!
[13:03] <Unit193> So, am I supposed to run that too?
[13:03] <Unit193> Or is there a way to add it after install :P
[13:21] <charlie-tca> no!
[13:21] <charlie-tca> at this time, there is no way to add users to LVM installs, encrypted or otherwise
[13:22] <charlie-tca> We have to wait for a fix.
[13:22] <charlie-tca> sorry, I didn't mean to yell
[13:23] <Unit193> Eh, it's fine. Just as long as you're not mad at me ;P
[13:24] <charlie-tca> No, I am not mad at you. I am glad you tested the alternates :)
[13:25] <Unit193> Didn't think you were, you would tell me. Maybe I should run with encryption on /home this round
[13:28] <charlie-tca> I don't think that is a good idea yet
[13:29] <charlie-tca> give it a day or two, see what the bug does first. The drives I tried it on, I could not use any of the previous installs to log back in.
[13:29] <charlie-tca> two hard drives in two systems, lost everything on both drives in both systems
[13:31] <charlie-tca> FeatureFreeze in 5 hours
[13:31] <charlie-tca> All Packagers ^ ^ ^
[13:35] <madnick> does that apply to plymouth / greeter packages?
[13:38] <charlie-tca> We will get an exception for the greeter. Plymouth is taken care of already
[13:39] <madnick> charlie-tca: we have an exception for plymouth? or did someone package the old version? 
[13:40] <charlie-tca> We can use the old version, it has been there since ??? as far as I know
[13:40] <charlie-tca> If not, we ask for the exception. No problem
[13:40] <madnick> okay
[14:01] <charlie-tca> madnick: if need be, we stick things in the artwork updates, but we will get those in
[14:04] <Unit193> ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !!"
[14:20] <madnick> charlie-tca: ah okay :)
[14:23] <gridcube> http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm
[14:24] <gridcube> I made myself a freewebhosting site and added the top 10 there :D
[14:24] <gridcube> well top 5 so far
[15:12] <charlie-tca> meeting minutes are out, too, now
[15:15] <charlie-tca> madnick: robert ancell is back on holidays, now that the summit is over. He might be back in another week.
[15:23] <madnick> hopefully, there won't be any changes made that effects greeters in a massive way
[15:42] <charlie-tca> um, yeah... other than the actual configuration keeps changing every day or two
[15:43] <charlie-tca> but, hey, what's a little thing like changing the way it works, right?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Got hopes they will quit changing things starting today, and work on just making it work.
[15:45] <astraljava> Unit193: Yeah, I don't really have time to test this week, it seems. We're busy with a bitchy-ass hungarian testing our friggin' software.
[15:46] <Unit193> astraljava: Just pinging you because you're one of us :P Great to hear of the other meeting though!
[15:48] <madnick> Not sure why Ubuntu is pushing out software so fast, software thats not even really done :)
[15:48] <madnick> Like LightDM, Plymouth and Unity
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Such things happen
[15:48] <madnick> Its bound to be hard for distros building upon ubuntu
[15:49] <charlie-tca> um, yes, it is very hard for those of us outside the main Ubuntu stuff to try and keep making things work
[15:51] <charlie-tca> madnick: as seen by how often Ubuntu works and Mythbuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio won't?
[15:53] <Unit193> Kubuntu is using KDM and Lubuntu is using LXDM so that cuts out quite a few issues
[15:53] <madnick> Yeah
[15:53] <charlie-tca> They are using those because lightdm won't work for them
[15:54] <charlie-tca> They do plan on using lightdm, though
[15:54] <charlie-tca> They are waiting for Xubuntu to get the kinks out first :)
[15:55] <madnick> Was oschii going to be away the entire week btw?
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:56] <charlie-tca> or was it two weeks?
[15:56] <madnick> oh
[15:57] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit, all other devs: Consider the Feature Freeze time adjusted to 2100 UTC.
[15:58] <Unit193> Last chance to dump LightDM?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> heh, no need. gdm is still there, just have to change things around and muck with it to make it work, since they upgraded it to gnome3
[16:00] <Unit193> GTK3 or Gnome3?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> um, both, I think
[16:00] <charlie-tca> It means it won't "just work"  for xubuntu, you have to work hard to make it usable for us.
[16:01] <Unit193> Heh, not harder than LightDM
[16:01] <Unit193> Anywho, it was a joke
[16:01] <charlie-tca> tossup lol!
[16:02] <Unit193> I found it odd that KDM worked better than Slim or LXDM with no config
[16:02] <Unit193> In Xubuntu oneiric
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Keep that one in mind, we might need it yet
[16:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Unit193: being in -ops doesn't mean I can remember things :(
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Every time I try to change one of those things, I have to go find how again
[18:14] <Unit193> charlie-tca: That's fine, I was asking for follow up. I get to learn on a bot that has Ubottu Encyclopedia
[18:15] <Unit193> Ping me if you wish
[18:15] <charlie-tca> heh, That's a deal!
[18:15] <charlie-tca> I only been doing this IRC thing for about three years, I guess it takes time to learn
[18:16] <Unit193> And there is about 7M type of IRC bots :P
[18:16] <charlie-tca> Oh, great
[18:20] <Unit193> I can name Supybot, DarkBot, Eggdrop, rbot, and limnoria just off the top of my head
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Well, that certainly makes it more difficult.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I just need to learn these things ubuntu uses
[18:24] <astraljava> madnick: The way I see it, Ubuntu, while creating a pretty friggin' huge buzz, still somehow knows how not to take itself too seriously. If you know what I mean?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> +1
[18:25] <astraljava> Like not taking the safe, secure way, leaning against the tried and true software.
[18:25] <Unit193> http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia
[18:25] <astraljava> Personally, I'm a huge fan of it.
[18:27] <charlie-tca> I am starting to see some benefits of not running "the latest and breaking-est"
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Maybe I been running broken too long?
[18:39] <astraljava> Well, sure, that takes on ya, but that's why you have the stable machine for, right? :)
[18:52] <charlie-tca> huh? stable machine?
[18:52] <charlie-tca> That's what is missing/
[18:52] <charlie-tca> ?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Isn't that what I use for at least a month every release?
[18:54] <astraljava> Oh okay. :)
[18:54] <astraljava> I have 6 desktops, plus the laptop, so I have one stable desktop, and the others are for different tests. The laptop is from work, so it's gotta be more or less stable.
[18:55] <astraljava> But since I don't really store much data on it, it doesn't really matter whether it gets b0rked and reinstalled periodically.
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I could see that. I tend to run the development versions from about alpha1. 
[18:56] <charlie-tca> About the time I think I found something I like, it breaks
[18:58] <astraljava> Yeah, that sucks.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> I have to think it might help sometimes, but other times, it ain't so much fun.
[19:02] <astraljava> Oh it ain't fun. As soon as we're done with the projects at work that we're battling now, I'm reinstalling, and going with Xubuntu. The vanilla 11.04 sucks 4$$.
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I had no idea. I just keep trying with this one
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Although oneiric has been so much fun, I may have to reinstall when we hit beta2, just to see what I really have
[19:21] <astraljava> Yeah, good plan.
[20:48] <micahg> do we need a new version of anything before feature freeze?
[20:48] <Unit193> I may have missed it, but midori is for sure not going in I would guess
[20:57] <charlie-tca> micahg: That happens in 4 minutes
[20:57] <micahg> Unit193: huh?  I updated midori to 0.4.0 already
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Debian been doing about 30-40 updates in the last two days on bugs
[20:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: doesn't matter much, I'm notorious for FFes ;)
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Great! We will have our share. Lightdm still has changes being done today
[20:58] <charlie-tca> and robert ancell is on holidays for at least the next week
[20:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: did you like that bug I filed last night?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> yeah, I thought it was good
[20:59] <charlie-tca> I wish they would quit closing them just because they fixed unity, though
[21:04] <Unit193> I'm a little confused, Midori is currently in daily? It's not from the install this morning...
[21:05] <micahg> no, charlie-tca said we don't need it
[21:05] <Unit193> Alright, that's what I thought
[21:05] <charlie-tca> We didn't add it by default
[21:05] <micahg> yeah, that's what I meant :)
[21:05] <micahg> we can make another meta upload still if something else is missing
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Did we get pastebinit in?
[21:07] <micahg> yep, recommends on desktop, wasn't sure if you wanted it in -desktop or live only
[21:07]  * Unit193 just looked before :P
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Wanted it in the installed stuff, since that's when we need it most
[21:11] <madnick> back on sundays?
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Alternates mondays and sundays
[21:12] <madnick> oh okay
[21:14] <Unit193> I'm sure you can't have something installed by defualt with --no-install-recommends ?
[21:15] <Unit193> alacarte could be handy, but it recommends Unity and friends
[21:16] <charlie-tca> By the time this "not a developer" learns all this stuff, I won't need it any more.
[21:16] <charlie-tca> alacarte depends on gnome-menu directly
[21:16] <charlie-tca> which breaks it bad for Xubuntu
[21:16] <micahg> which is why we don't see it :)
[21:16] <micahg> *seed
[21:17] <Unit193> --no-install-recommends got me just alacarte and nothing else in oneiric
[21:17] <charlie-tca> and it actually works?
[21:18] <Unit193> Oddly, yes. Need a screenshot?
[21:18] <charlie-tca> no, it failed when I tried that
[21:19] <Unit193> Used to for me also http://ubuntuone.com/p/19oo/
[21:24]  * micahg thought it required gnome-menus
[21:24] <charlie-tca> It does
[21:25] <charlie-tca> at least according to the Debian bug report
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Unit193: you running a xubuntu install with nothing added from gnome?
[21:25] <Unit193> Look at terminal in the bg
[21:26] <Unit193> Anyway, it's a recommends
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Maybe it got changed after the last round 
[21:28] <Unit193> I dunno, I just tried it :/
[21:29] <charlie-tca> That was a pretty mean battle last time. Maybe...
[21:30] <charlie-tca> If it works, at least we can users to install it that way
[21:30] <Unit193> Yeah, it's not needed, but it can be helpful
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Some users really want to be able to edit the menus
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Final request to the Strategy Document change sent out to both Mailing Lists