[12:50] daily-live is a no go for now (Build failed) daily installs for 32 following notes: Guest is back (working), we have user select (Unity-greeter with no bg), still need to select the second Xubuntu Session, all menu items are there! [12:50] astraljava , gridcube , charlie-tca ^^^ [12:51] um, daily-live has failed for three days. [12:51] There have been no new images since monday for it [12:52] Unit193: thanks for testing! [12:52] So I shouldn't even bother reminding? [12:52] charlie-tca: Figured I may as well give you all the info! [12:52] yes, remind [12:53] It is good to know someone else is trying them [12:53] Warning: I may have missed a few errors as I was up all night (Isn't Retrieving file *** of 897 in alt install a bit high?) [12:54] oh, by the way. The desktop images are being built for today now [12:54] might be an hour or two until we get them. [12:55] nah, that sounds about right [12:55] Hope this helps a little more (Know what you're getting into?) [12:59] It does. I missed part of that when I looked here [13:01] and, jibel was able to find the issue with encrypted /home, too. Now that bug will get worked! [13:03] So, am I supposed to run that too? [13:03] Or is there a way to add it after install :P [13:21] no! [13:21] at this time, there is no way to add users to LVM installs, encrypted or otherwise [13:22] We have to wait for a fix. [13:22] sorry, I didn't mean to yell [13:23] Eh, it's fine. Just as long as you're not mad at me ;P [13:24] No, I am not mad at you. I am glad you tested the alternates :) [13:25] Didn't think you were, you would tell me. Maybe I should run with encryption on /home this round [13:28] I don't think that is a good idea yet [13:29] give it a day or two, see what the bug does first. The drives I tried it on, I could not use any of the previous installs to log back in. [13:29] two hard drives in two systems, lost everything on both drives in both systems [13:31] FeatureFreeze in 5 hours [13:31] All Packagers ^ ^ ^ [13:35] does that apply to plymouth / greeter packages? [13:38] We will get an exception for the greeter. Plymouth is taken care of already [13:39] charlie-tca: we have an exception for plymouth? or did someone package the old version? [13:40] We can use the old version, it has been there since ??? as far as I know [13:40] If not, we ask for the exception. No problem [13:40] okay [14:01] madnick: if need be, we stick things in the artwork updates, but we will get those in [14:04] ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !!" [14:20] charlie-tca: ah okay :) [14:23] http://gridcube.netii.net/test.htm [14:24] I made myself a freewebhosting site and added the top 10 there :D [14:24] well top 5 so far [15:12] meeting minutes are out, too, now [15:15] madnick: robert ancell is back on holidays, now that the summit is over. He might be back in another week. [15:23] hopefully, there won't be any changes made that effects greeters in a massive way [15:42] um, yeah... other than the actual configuration keeps changing every day or two [15:43] but, hey, what's a little thing like changing the way it works, right? [15:44] Got hopes they will quit changing things starting today, and work on just making it work. [15:45] Unit193: Yeah, I don't really have time to test this week, it seems. We're busy with a bitchy-ass hungarian testing our friggin' software. [15:46] astraljava: Just pinging you because you're one of us :P Great to hear of the other meeting though! [15:48] Not sure why Ubuntu is pushing out software so fast, software thats not even really done :) [15:48] Like LightDM, Plymouth and Unity [15:48] Such things happen [15:48] Its bound to be hard for distros building upon ubuntu [15:49] um, yes, it is very hard for those of us outside the main Ubuntu stuff to try and keep making things work [15:51] madnick: as seen by how often Ubuntu works and Mythbuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio won't? [15:53] Kubuntu is using KDM and Lubuntu is using LXDM so that cuts out quite a few issues [15:53] Yeah [15:53] They are using those because lightdm won't work for them [15:54] They do plan on using lightdm, though [15:54] They are waiting for Xubuntu to get the kinks out first :) [15:55] Was oschii going to be away the entire week btw? [15:56] yup [15:56] or was it two weeks? [15:56] oh [15:57] micahg, mr_pouit, all other devs: Consider the Feature Freeze time adjusted to 2100 UTC. [15:58] Last chance to dump LightDM? [15:59] heh, no need. gdm is still there, just have to change things around and muck with it to make it work, since they upgraded it to gnome3 [16:00] GTK3 or Gnome3? [16:00] um, both, I think [16:00] It means it won't "just work" for xubuntu, you have to work hard to make it usable for us. [16:01] Heh, not harder than LightDM [16:01] Anywho, it was a joke [16:01] tossup lol! [16:02] I found it odd that KDM worked better than Slim or LXDM with no config [16:02] In Xubuntu oneiric [16:03] Keep that one in mind, we might need it yet [16:32] charlie-tca: thanks === gridcube is now known as GridCube [18:14] Unit193: being in -ops doesn't mean I can remember things :( [18:14] Every time I try to change one of those things, I have to go find how again [18:14] charlie-tca: That's fine, I was asking for follow up. I get to learn on a bot that has Ubottu Encyclopedia [18:15] Ping me if you wish [18:15] heh, That's a deal! [18:15] I only been doing this IRC thing for about three years, I guess it takes time to learn [18:16] And there is about 7M type of IRC bots :P [18:16] Oh, great [18:20] I can name Supybot, DarkBot, Eggdrop, rbot, and limnoria just off the top of my head [18:22] Well, that certainly makes it more difficult. [18:22] I just need to learn these things ubuntu uses [18:24] madnick: The way I see it, Ubuntu, while creating a pretty friggin' huge buzz, still somehow knows how not to take itself too seriously. If you know what I mean? [18:25] +1 [18:25] Like not taking the safe, secure way, leaning against the tried and true software. [18:25] http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia [18:25] Personally, I'm a huge fan of it. [18:27] I am starting to see some benefits of not running "the latest and breaking-est" [18:27] Maybe I been running broken too long? [18:39] Well, sure, that takes on ya, but that's why you have the stable machine for, right? :) [18:52] huh? stable machine? [18:52] That's what is missing/ [18:52] ? [18:53] Isn't that what I use for at least a month every release? [18:54] Oh okay. :) [18:54] I have 6 desktops, plus the laptop, so I have one stable desktop, and the others are for different tests. The laptop is from work, so it's gotta be more or less stable. [18:55] But since I don't really store much data on it, it doesn't really matter whether it gets b0rked and reinstalled periodically. [18:55] Yeah, I could see that. I tend to run the development versions from about alpha1. [18:56] About the time I think I found something I like, it breaks [18:58] Yeah, that sucks. [18:59] I have to think it might help sometimes, but other times, it ain't so much fun. [19:02] Oh it ain't fun. As soon as we're done with the projects at work that we're battling now, I'm reinstalling, and going with Xubuntu. The vanilla 11.04 sucks 4$$. [19:03] I had no idea. I just keep trying with this one [19:04] Although oneiric has been so much fun, I may have to reinstall when we hit beta2, just to see what I really have [19:21] Yeah, good plan. === micahg_ is now known as micahg [20:48] do we need a new version of anything before feature freeze? [20:48] I may have missed it, but midori is for sure not going in I would guess [20:57] micahg: That happens in 4 minutes [20:57] Unit193: huh? I updated midori to 0.4.0 already [20:57] Debian been doing about 30-40 updates in the last two days on bugs [20:57] charlie-tca: doesn't matter much, I'm notorious for FFes ;) [20:58] Great! We will have our share. Lightdm still has changes being done today [20:58] and robert ancell is on holidays for at least the next week [20:58] charlie-tca: did you like that bug I filed last night? [20:58] yeah, I thought it was good [20:59] I wish they would quit closing them just because they fixed unity, though [21:04] I'm a little confused, Midori is currently in daily? It's not from the install this morning... [21:05] no, charlie-tca said we don't need it [21:05] Alright, that's what I thought [21:05] We didn't add it by default [21:05] yeah, that's what I meant :) [21:05] we can make another meta upload still if something else is missing [21:06] Did we get pastebinit in? [21:07] yep, recommends on desktop, wasn't sure if you wanted it in -desktop or live only [21:07] * Unit193 just looked before :P [21:09] Wanted it in the installed stuff, since that's when we need it most === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Feature Freeze in effect | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-08-14 at 22:00 UTC | All Oneiric Desktop images are broken [21:11] back on sundays? [21:12] Alternates mondays and sundays [21:12] oh okay [21:14] I'm sure you can't have something installed by defualt with --no-install-recommends ? [21:15] alacarte could be handy, but it recommends Unity and friends [21:16] By the time this "not a developer" learns all this stuff, I won't need it any more. [21:16] alacarte depends on gnome-menu directly [21:16] which breaks it bad for Xubuntu [21:16] which is why we don't see it :) [21:16] *seed [21:17] --no-install-recommends got me just alacarte and nothing else in oneiric [21:17] and it actually works? [21:18] Oddly, yes. Need a screenshot? [21:18] no, it failed when I tried that [21:19] Used to for me also http://ubuntuone.com/p/19oo/ [21:24] * micahg thought it required gnome-menus [21:24] It does [21:25] at least according to the Debian bug report [21:25] Unit193: you running a xubuntu install with nothing added from gnome? [21:25] Look at terminal in the bg [21:26] Anyway, it's a recommends [21:28] Maybe it got changed after the last round [21:28] I dunno, I just tried it :/ [21:29] That was a pretty mean battle last time. Maybe... [21:30] If it works, at least we can users to install it that way [21:30] Yeah, it's not needed, but it can be helpful [21:32] Some users really want to be able to edit the menus === xrdodrx` is now known as xrdodrx [22:47] Final request to the Strategy Document change sent out to both Mailing Lists