[01:12] <xubuntu590> Hello
[01:29] <bl00dy> hey all i don't know how to login as root can somebody tell me ?
[01:30] <bl00dy> nvm i found it
[01:31] <charlie-tca> !root
[02:01] <hylian> i just wanted to introduce myself. I was a Ubuntu-er, now I am a Xubuntu-er.
[02:02] <orngjce223> Cool.
[02:02] <orngjce223> You have company, I trust.
[02:03] <hylian> I believe the move to unity will bring it's own xubuntu movement.
[02:04] <hylian> xubuntu is a million times better than unity in every shape and form.
[02:04]  * hylian meant xfce
[02:05] <hylian> ubottu xubuntu
[02:05] <hylian> ubottu !Xubuntu-Channels
[10:47] <xubuntu> help
[10:49] <Sysi> impatience problem?
[10:49] <jbrouhard> lol
[11:16] <visitor1> re les gens
[11:24] <bazhang> !fr | visitor1
[11:24] <visitor1> sorry
[11:24] <AlexDevilLX> Hi all
[11:25] <AlexDevilLX> I'm currently using gnome
[11:25] <AlexDevilLX> but i cant burn joilet disks
[11:25] <knome> bazhang, well usually we're allowing people to greet on any language they want ;)
[11:27] <Sysi> AlexDevilLX: triple crosspost already, congrats
[11:28] <AlexDevilLX> What wm do you use?
[11:28] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, what does that have to do with burning dvd's
[11:28] <AlexDevilLX> there is no joilet
[11:29] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, its JOLIET
[11:29] <AlexDevilLX> in Xfburn
[11:29] <Sysi> just burn data disk and it should work on any OS you can think of
[11:29] <Sysi> if it isn't joliet, ufs works too
[11:30] <AlexDevilLX> so i should use gnomebaker or xfburn?
[11:30] <Sysi> whatever you prefer
[11:30] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, use what you wish.
[11:30] <AlexDevilLX> they are similar
[11:31] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, so choose one.
[11:31] <dean_> Hey all I have just installed Xubuntu so far it looks cool but I don't know whether you can confirm but it doesn't seem any lighter than Ubuntu is this the case?
[11:31] <bazhang> dean_, depends
[11:31] <dean_> bazhang, On what?
[11:31] <bazhang> the full xubuntu-desktop?
[11:31] <Sysi> it should use sligthly less RAM, otherly not really "lighter"
[11:32] <bazhang> dean_, on what you installed
[11:32] <dean_> bazhang, I have installed the cd
[11:32] <dean_> bazhang, 11.04
[11:32] <bazhang> xubuntu.iso ?
[11:32] <dean_> bazhang, Yeah
[11:32] <dean_> bazhang, I haven't installed it inside Ubuntu
[11:33] <Sysi> if you have 1GB ram, it doesn't really matter what you're using
[11:33] <dean_> I have 1.5gb ram
[11:34] <Sysi> shouldn't notice any difference beetween desktops
[11:34] <Sysi> *between
[11:34] <dean_> Could someone tell me if 11.04 is better than 10.04?
[11:34] <Sysi> it has newer xfce and newer kernel, but 10.04 is LTS
[11:34] <bazhang> dean_, entirely subjective
[11:35] <dean_> bazhang, Reason I ask is cos Ubuntu 11.04 sucks didn't know whether Xubuntu had issues too
[11:35] <bazhang> dean_, sucks is not very clear
[11:35] <bazhang> dean_, if you want to actually get support, ie troubleshoot
[11:36] <dean_> Ok I mean Unity lol
[11:36] <bazhang> classic is available
[11:36] <AlexDevilLX> wow
[11:37] <AlexDevilLX> gnomebaker
[11:37] <AlexDevilLX> wow
[11:37] <AlexDevilLX> shiki-wise on xfce
[11:37] <bazhang> ?
[11:37] <Sysi> IRC isn't blog
[11:38] <dean_> AlexDevilLX, Is gnomebaker equivalent too k3b?
[11:38] <AlexDevilLX> no
[11:38] <dean_> bazhang, I was mainly asking whether performance should be a lot faster on Xubuntu
[11:38] <AlexDevilLX> but it supports JOLIET
[11:39] <Sysi> bazhang: what is the point of trolling where you can kick him?
[11:39] <dean_> Is Xfburn any good cos for some reason I can't use Brasero
[11:39] <bazhang> dean_, whats the error
[11:39] <Sysi> xfburn has worked well for me (better than brasero)
[11:39] <dean_> Cd Drive isn't authorised or something like that
[11:39] <bazhang> indeed
[11:40] <bazhang> dean_, pastebin the actual full error
[11:40] <dean_> bazhang, Its gone now but I experienced it when I burnt the Xubuntu iso had to use k3b but obviously I want a non kde burner
[11:43] <dean_> Ok well one more question before I leave you alone can Chromium have  a adblock like firefox?
[11:43] <Sysi> k3b is great burner, but xfburn has worked for me also
[11:44] <dean_> Sysi, I will give it a go thanks for that
[11:44] <bazhang> dean_, not sure about that; does the chromium homepage or the preferences reference that?
[11:44] <dean_> bazhang, Theres one for Chrome but not Chromium
[11:45] <Sysi> chrome extensions work on chromium
[11:45] <Sysi> at least both adblocks work
[11:45] <dean_> Sysi, Oh ok cool I will give it a go I find Firefox a tiny bit slower than Chromium but thats just my opinion lol
[11:47] <Sysi> (a fact actually, I just prefer firefox usability)
[11:48] <dean_> Sysi, I find even with adblock it still has them pop up regardless what list I use
[11:49] <dean_> Can someone tell me how to enable quick filter on Xubuntu its really annoying not been able to use it on here?
[11:49] <dean_> On Synaptic sorry
[12:00] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[12:27] <AlexDevilLX> Hi all
[12:27] <AlexDevilLX> Can i make http://alexdevillx.deviantart.com/#/d4123gc in XFCE
[12:27] <AlexDevilLX> i mean sound icon with sound settings and rhythmbox
[12:28] <AlexDevilLX> envelope with pidgin
[12:28] <AlexDevilLX> ibus
[12:28] <Sysi> it's there by default on xubuntu
[12:29] <AlexDevilLX> same icons?
[12:29] <AlexDevilLX> like in screenshot?
[12:29] <Sysi> any icon theme you want
[12:30] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[12:30] <AlexDevilLX> whats lock screen command
[12:31] <Sysi> xflock4, default binding ctrl alt del iirc
[13:17] <AlexDevilLX> xfce vs awesome?
[13:19] <bazhang> !best | AlexDevilLX
[13:19] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, /join #ubuntu-bots
[13:20] <Sysi> awesome is just a WM, you can use it on xfce
[13:22] <AlexDevilLX> ah
[13:22] <Sysi> install and try is fairly good method to do things
[13:32] <AlexDevilLX> should i use xfce or gnome
[13:32] <charlie-tca> Please stop asking
[13:32] <charlie-tca> You are the only one that can make these decisions.
[13:33] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[13:33] <AlexDevilLX> what are default apps?
[13:34] <SaaMmY> xfce
[13:34] <charlie-tca> Those applications installed when you install a distribution
[13:34] <SaaMmY> in xubuntu
[13:35] <AlexDevilLX> ubuntu or slackware
[13:35] <AlexDevilLX> i want to become linux pro
[13:36] <bazhang> AlexDevilLX, thats enough
[13:36] <charlie-tca> AlexDevilLX: You have been asked many times to stop asking which is best/which to use
[13:37] <AlexDevilLX> ok
[13:37] <AlexDevilLX> I'll stop that
[13:37] <charlie-tca> Asking again will get you kicked from this channel, it is not going to get another warning
[13:39] <AlexDevilLX> I'll not do that because i'll need to get tech support from this channel
[13:40] <hylian> is there a way to richt click a image and have the option of setting that image as wallpaper in xfce?
[13:40] <AlexDevilLX> heh
[13:41] <charlie-tca> hylian: not at this time.
[13:41] <AlexDevilLX> there should be scripts to do that
[13:42] <hylian> good to know, i guess i'll have to do some google-ing again...
[13:43] <AlexDevilLX> try thundar scripts
[13:44] <gridcube> thunar
[13:44] <hylian> i found this... xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path -s %f
[13:45] <hylian> i could build my own script using that method, I think...
[13:46] <hylian> hey thanks guys, there's a thunar wallpaper plugin already made :)
[13:54] <LogicallyDashing> My window decorations are gone. I have purged every package in xubuntu-desktop that's not also in ubuntu-minimal, and reinstalled, and I still have no window decorations. What do I do.
[13:55] <charlie-tca> Is the xfwm app running?
[13:55] <charlie-tca> how about xfsettingsd ?
[13:56] <charlie-tca> ubuntu is not the same as xubuntu, I don't which packages they use to control that.
[13:56] <charlie-tca> Did you install compiz?
[13:56] <LogicallyDashing> xfwm doesn't seem to be running
[13:56] <LogicallyDashing> weird
[13:56] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2, xfwm4
[13:57] <LogicallyDashing> ...that did it
[13:57] <LogicallyDashing> I wonder why that didn't start at login? I'll check my session
[13:57] <LogicallyDashing> Thanks charlie-tca
[13:58] <charlie-tca> It does get lost sometimes, if it doesn't start next time, add it to Settings -> Sessions and Startup, Autostart tab
[13:58] <gridcube> charlie-tca: thats one of the top 10 :D
[13:58] <charlie-tca> Please!
[14:21] <AlexDevilLX> Hi, where can i get xubuntu 11.10 with kernel v3 for 32bit in DVD
[14:22] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for 11.10 questions AlexDevilLX
[14:39] <hylian> i installed cups-pdf because i like to back things up that way, especially internet orders. anyways, in ubuntu it would put the file it created in the pdf folder under /home/username. but in my xubuntu it is not there, any suggestions?
[14:40] <Sysi> create that folder yourself
[14:45] <hylian> um, the folder IS there, the files i printed with "cups-pdf" are not, but supposed to be.
[14:45] <hylian> Sysi, um, the folder IS there, the files i printed with "cups-pdf" are not, but supposed to be.
[14:46] <hylian> ok, they were not there before, but now have shown up...??
[14:46] <hylian> well, thanks anyways...
[14:46] <charlie-tca> AlexDevilLX: Xubuntu does not create any dvd builds
[14:47] <charlie-tca> You can get the daily images for cd at
[14:47] <charlie-tca> !daily
[14:47] <charlie-tca> that's wrong
[14:47] <gridcube> but they are pretty unstable might i say
[14:48] <charlie-tca> repy is !daily #xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[14:49] <charlie-tca> They are development images, and will break after installing
[14:49] <gridcube> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/          doenst exist
[14:49] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:49] <charlie-tca> that too
[14:49] <charlie-tca> we are trying to find what broke, though
[14:57] <AlexDevilLX> what?
[14:57] <AlexDevilLX> X(
[15:05] <charlie-tca> All daily-live / Desktop images for 11.10 are broken today
[15:06] <charlie-tca> You can install using the Alternate / daily image, but read the release notes and support for 11.10 will be in #ubuntu+1
[16:19] <ChristopherNG> Hello, HOpe everyone is doing good today
[16:19] <gridcube> :) better than some worse than others
[16:20] <ChristopherNG> oh btw grid I got my HDMI output sorted 100%
[16:20] <ChristopherNG> CHarlie asked me to write a wiki how to on on for xubuntu
[16:20] <ChristopherNG> From what I can tell alot of the problem is because unlike ubuntu there is no "add monitor" button in the display settings for xubuntu.
[16:21] <ChristopherNG> Also if you were outputting to a different monitor using xubuntu, Xubuntu for some reason triest to make the same output for the old monitor to the new monitor.
[16:21] <ChristopherNG> So spending all day playing around with xrandr to change the old settings for the old monitor to meet the requirements of the new screen is completely pointless.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> That's why a wiki page explaining how to in Xubuntu would help. We know there is a difference, but if the user that never tried Ubuntu wanted to do it, how would it work?
[16:25] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: Im running a test with a xubuntu 10.04 lts to see if it works for it.
[16:26] <charlie-tca> Great!
[16:48] <ChristopherNG> em, anyone got any ideas how to get sound from the hdmi of my laptop out from my television speakers?
[16:48] <ChristopherNG> hdmi carries both sound and picture
[17:00] <Sysi> try with pavucontrol
[17:16] <ChristopherNG> im trying using pavucontrol not much luck so far
[17:29] <gridcube> ChristopherNG: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5371
[18:00] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:01] <charlie-tca> reply is !daily #xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !no, !daily #xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !no, daily #xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:02] <Unit193> .. !daily-#xubuntu is <reply#xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/>
[18:02] <Unit193> Almost like that (Close the reply )
[18:02] <charlie-tca> did it work?
[18:03] <Unit193> !daily-#xubuntu is <repl>y#xubuntu Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Xubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/>
[18:03] <Unit193> "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops.  Thank you for your attention to detail"
[18:03] <charlie-tca> That's better then
[18:03] <Unit193> Close, I cut off the y
[18:05] <Unit193> Wouldn't you like that for #xubuntu-devel too?
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I don't care so much there, most of the users come in here looking
[18:06] <charlie-tca> I suppose it would be nice, but it is needed here more
[18:09] <Unit193> You in #ubuntu-ops ?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:12] <charlie-tca> !daily
[18:13] <charlie-tca> very nice
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Thanks for your help with that
[18:13] <Unit193> Sure, the person in -ops did most :D
[18:55] <ChristopherNG> Although im a full time accounting student, im thinking of taking on a part time course to get a CCNA from cisco as more of a hobby is that a good or bad idea?
[18:55] <ChristopherNG> Ie doing my degree work and getting a CCNA
[18:55] <ChristopherNG> dang i thought this was offtopic sorry
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I don't have an answer. I have no certificates newer than 10 years old
[19:05] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: maybe join offtopic? :)
[19:07] <ChristopherNG> lol
[19:09] <rdegges> hi all, quick question: I'd like to basically replace the default xubuntu terminal program with the gnome terminal. Is this possible? How can I do this?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> um, apt-get install gnome-terminal, apt-get remove xfce4-terminal
[19:35] <jarnos> re
[19:37] <jarnos> rdegges, set it in applications > settings > settings manager > preferred applications
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Good point
[19:42] <CrazyGir> does xubuntu do anything funky with grub's menu.lst in 11.04?
[19:42] <CrazyGir> I don't have /boot/grub/menu.lst as one would expect
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't be one
[19:44] <jarnos> CrazyGir, it uses newer version of grub that is configured differently.
[19:44] <charlie-tca> menu.lst was in grub1, we have used grub2 for a couple of releases already
[19:45] <charlie-tca> !grub
[19:50] <CrazyGir>  okies, thank you
[19:52] <CrazyGir> is it me, or is all the coolness of Grub2 shadowed by the fact that none of it is decipherable any more?
[19:52] <CrazyGir> I'd like to add an entry, one would have hoped that had been made simpler, not more complicated :P
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Read those references, they explain how to add your entry in /etc/grub
[19:55] <CrazyGir> I'm ok there
[19:55] <charlie-tca> oh, maybe that is /etc/grub.d/
[19:55] <CrazyGir> my comments were about increasing complexity
[19:55] <CrazyGir> something linux seems (to me) to continue to fail to improve
[20:00] <meth3> i think having xubuntu-desktop installed while trying to upgrade ubuntu broke the dist-upgrade... it stopped in the middle of it and complained about xubuntu-desktop missing some deps and then apparently it looks like it never finished installing correctly.. when i do it again it says everything is up to date but the deafult ubuntu desktop is clearly not unity .. and allot of things are weird like clicking on the sound icon doens't la
[20:00] <meth3> the deafult sound card tool doesn't launch at all either
[20:00] <charlie-tca> That is probably true
[20:00] <Sysi> how did you so the upgrade?
[20:01] <Sysi> s/so/do
[20:01] <charlie-tca> maybe remove xubuntu-desktop, then install ubuntu-desktop
[20:02] <meth3> lol yea i could try that i guess
[20:02] <meth3> i just used their tool
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Yes, 10.10 to 11.04 fails if more than one -desktop meta-package is installed
[20:03] <meth3> that really really sucks
[20:03] <meth3> the tool should detect that
[20:03] <meth3> at least a warning
[20:04] <meth3> it's not called like unity-desktop now or something ?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Believe that was in the release notes for 11.04
[20:04] <charlie-tca> no
[20:04] <meth3> not that i even want unity.. from my experience it makes old machines slower
[20:05] <charlie-tca> unity is just the shell-session
[20:05] <meth3> well yea perhaps i should have read but then again the tool says, "upgrade to new distro! just click here!" and for normal people they will never read.. ubuntu=normal-people-distro
[20:05] <charlie-tca> classic is gnome2, if you prefer not to have unity
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Well, where do they warn you then?
[20:06] <meth3> they should integrate it right into the update tool
[20:06] <charlie-tca> normal people don't really add other desktops, either.
[20:06] <meth3> lol
[20:06] <meth3> but their friends might for htem :]
[20:07] <meth3> then again they actually might though if you just browse the site it talks about other versions of ubuntu
[20:07] <Sysi> meth3: complain after you've checked if you get problems after removing other desktop and finished upgrade :)
[20:07] <meth3> well it's not just complaining it's progress right ?
[20:08] <meth3> if someone asks me which linux / how to get linux  i tell them to use ubuntu cause it was classically marketed as easy to use alternative to main stream os like windows
[20:08] <charlie-tca> hopefully those same "friends" will learn to tell people to read the notes before doing things
[20:09] <meth3> ah i can't tell my mom to do that.. anyway i started the upgrade but none the less ubuntu is supposed to , "just work" ..
[20:09] <Sysi> charlie-tca: it propably would be wise to attach release notes / upgrade guide to update manager
[20:09] <meth3> maybe it was there..
[20:10] <meth3> but i can't see why instead of notes it could just on it's own detect if more than one desktop is installed and tell the user to make a choice.. or better yet why does it break in the first place ?
[20:10] <meth3> probably better to just make it work correctly with more than one installed
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Well, if we could, we would...
[20:11] <Sysi> canonical killing other desktops :G
[20:11] <meth3> it was probably something they didn't forsee ? but by now ubuntu should be used to this..
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Sysi: I don't canonical is responsible for that. I believe it goes to Ubuntu/Unity
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Any way, it makes no difference. It is noted, and it does happen.
[20:12] <meth3> Sysi: well i could definitively picture of default ubuntu doesn't know how to upgrade xubuntu properly.. but xubuntu-desktop being installed caused the normal ubuntu desktop to not upgrade properly ..
[20:12] <Sysi> I wonder if it's still there in 11.10
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Complaints noted
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I guess reading the release notes would say, huh?
[20:13] <meth3> well beyond release notes .. I'm thinking more of how to fix it now so it doesn't do this
[20:13] <meth3> is there a team that works on the update manager /
[20:13] <charlie-tca> Bugs are on file for it
[20:14] <meth3> i could probably help
[20:14] <meth3> or would be interested
[20:16] <meth3> hm there is no #ubuntu-dev ?
[20:17] <Sysi> !dev
[20:17] <meth3> cool thanks
[20:18] <meth3> is there steps documented on how to fix it once you already tried to do a dist upgrade with more htan one desktop installed ?
[20:19] <meth3> I'm installing ubuntu-desktop right now but just asking for later
[20:20] <charlie-tca> The only workaround is remove all but one desktop, upgrade, install other desktops again
[20:20] <meth3> yea but to late for that
[20:20] <meth3> now i gotta fix it
[20:24] <dean> Hey all I have just installed all my programs and updates and I had to reboot when it started up it came up with a message showing starting without admin priviledges what does this mean?
[20:25] <dean> You will not be able to apply any changes. However, you can still export the marked changes or create a download script for them.
[20:30] <meth3> hm apparently i don't have hardware support for unity
[20:30] <Sysi> if you want to check it out, you can install unity-2d
[20:31] <meth3> i have used it before but when i login to a user for the first time i get a message about not being able to support it
[20:31] <meth3> i guess it needs 3d acceleration ?
[20:31] <meth3> oh i see what your saying
[20:32] <dean> Can anyone see my messages?
[20:32] <meth3> no
[20:33] <dean> thanks meth3
[21:43] <slipkid08> hello all
[21:46] <charlie-tca> !hi | slipkid08
[23:13] <Troy^> will doing a sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop from a regular ubuntu 11.04 cause any issues?
[23:14] <GridCube> no
[23:14] <GridCube> well it shouldnt
[23:14] <Troy^> so i will still have all my other gui's
[23:15] <GridCube> yes
[23:15] <Troy^> im a gnome 2 user
[23:15] <Troy^> i just want to give xfce a go
[23:15] <GridCube> ;) welcome to try it
[23:16] <Troy^> i hate unity, and dont want to try gnome 3 :S
[23:16] <Troy^> so when 11.10 comes out ill probablly use xfce if i like it
[23:16] <GridCube> :( hating is bad, you should dislike, not hate
[23:16] <Troy^> ok well i dislike
[23:16] <Troy^> lol
[23:17] <GridCube> oh well i do dislike unity a lot, but then again i've always been a xubuntu user
[23:18] <Troy^> yea im a big gnome 2 fan
[23:19] <GridCube> I like it better than gnome or kde since like ever, but then again its a question of personal tastes, xfce has a thing for simplicity, that might make some people scream, like for example, you cant just toss arround icons on your desktop because it needs to fit into an "icon grid" sort of saying, i like that, some people don't
[23:47] <Troy^> it added tons of apps to my gnome applications list
[23:47] <Troy^> :S
[23:58] <ChristopherNG> Anyone else notice that sometimes the desktop wallpaper they select disappears the next time they reboot?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> then either xfsettingsd or xfwm4 did not start