[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, that is strange...
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Installing the Nvidia driver... During the kernel mod build it isn't auto blacklisting Nouveau. Even removing/purging nouveau doesn't do the trick.
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Causes tons of breakage...
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> oops, accidentally overwrote the packaging changes in the last two muon uploads.
[04:27] <JontheEchidna> perhaps it's time to bzr that
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: oh, I upstreamed your settings patch
[04:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great.  Thanks.  I think it's a safer way to go.
[04:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably. Unsigned repos aren't as common these days thanks to add-apt-repository
[04:33] <JontheEchidna> convenience wins 'em over :P
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> not that the repos themselves aren't signed, but at least I'm not adding them w/o the gpg key thanks to add-apt-repository
[04:35] <JontheEchidna> whereas I probably wouldn't have bothered before
[07:06] <Quintasan> Good morning
[07:06] <Quintasan> yofel, rbelem: get ready to work :P
[07:31]  * Quintasan takes a look at s-l-c once again and the goes to show around the city to the guests
[08:07] <yofel> Quintasan: morning
[08:12] <bulldog98> yofel: Quintasan: hi
[08:12] <bulldog98> yofel: don’t look for mails, look for Kubuntu Active :P
[08:15] <yofel> rbelem: if you add new install files, please make sure you take anything you install out from the not-installed file
[08:17] <CIA-52> [kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 372 * debian/not-installed remove now installed file from not-installed
[08:19] <bulldog98> yofel: go on :)
[09:43] <yofel> Quintasan: where's your gles package?
[09:50] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Philip Muškovac * 549 * debian/ (changelog kde-workspace-dev.install not-installed) Add libkwineffects headers and unversioned .so back to kde-workspace-dev since there are 3rd party apps that need it.
[09:51] <yofel> and why the hell doesn't bazaar ask me anymore whether I want to edit the commit message before committing??
[09:51] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[09:52] <Riddell> yofel: because it matches debcommit in just using the debian/changelog
[09:52] <yofel> yeah, but before it asked me whether I want to use that, now it just goes ahead and commits - that intentional?
[09:53] <Riddell> yes, it matches debcommit's behaviour
[09:53] <Riddell> but feel free to argue on bug 812749
[09:53] <yofel> ah, thanks
[10:11] <rbelem> Quintasan, morning
[10:12] <yofel> rbelem: we're going for lunch now, back soon
[10:12] <rbelem> yofel, oki :-)
[10:14] <rbelem> yofel, i was using the debian/rules list-missing
[10:25] <debfx> yofel: why doesn't kross-interpreters build krossruby?
[11:02] <yofel> rbelem: well, it still was in not-installed, I fixed it anyway
[11:03] <yofel> debfx: uh, debian dropped it and IIRC it didn't build in 4.6.80 or so, haven't looked at it later
[11:03] <Quintasan> yofel: nowhere, since I can't say the headers are dropped in our bzr branch
[11:04] <yofel> Quintasan: because I added them back, can you push what you have *somewhere* so I can take an attempt at debugging debianabimanager?
[11:04] <Quintasan> yofel: Do we REALLY need the headers?
[11:05] <Quintasan> yofel: MoDaX already told me it can't handle two same CMake build targets
[11:05] <yofel> Quintasan: if you don't want them talk to martin how that can be solved differently. He explicitly requested that we ship them
[11:05] <Quintasan> Ah, that changes everything
[11:05] <Quintasan> I'll push my branch in a few minutes
[11:05] <Quintasan> without kwineeffects
[11:10] <Quintasan> yofel: lp:~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace
[11:10] <Quintasan> That has everything except kwineffects
[11:18] <rbelem> yofel, which file was not installed?
[11:18] <yofel> rbelem: no, you installed all, but we have a debian/not-installed file where we track which files are intentionally not installed
[11:18] <yofel> please update that when you install files that are listed there
[11:22] <rbelem> yofel, ok :-)
[11:27] <rbelem> Quintasan, i'm getting some undefined referece for qmf, which is a buildep for the qtmobility
[11:27] <Quintasan> pastebin the build log
[11:28] <rbelem> Quintasan, i already fixed some, but i was to tired to fix the rest
[11:28] <rbelem> Quintasan, ok
[11:28] <yofel> you are? I just built the package from sid on oneiric
[11:28] <yofel> rbelem: where's your qtmobility package anyway?
[11:28] <Quintasan> What package are we talking about?
[11:29] <yofel> good question
[11:29] <rbelem> Quintasan, qmf
[11:29] <rbelem> Quintasan, http://paste.kde.org/108769/
[11:32] <jussi> right, time to go oneiric baby!!
[11:32] <Quintasan> rbelem: That looks like something wrong in code: S
[11:32] <Quintasan> :S*
[11:33] <shadeslayer> more like bad target link libs
[11:33] <yofel> rbelem: what version of qtmobility are you trying to build?
[11:33] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[11:33] <jussi> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/12/plasma-desktopje2188.jpg
[11:33] <rbelem> yofel, 1.2
[11:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: That's broken CMakeLists.txt
[11:34] <Quintasan> and that's upsteram
[11:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yus
[11:34] <rbelem> Quintasan, broken .pro in the case of qmf
[11:34] <yofel> rbelem: why don't you take the debian package?
[11:34] <yofel> rbelem: and modify that?
[11:34] <yofel> *that* built with qmf in oneiric archive btw
[11:34] <yofel> *fine*
[11:35] <rbelem> yofel, i did that
[11:35] <rbelem> yofel, qmf in the archives is old
[11:35] <yofel> do we need a newer one?
[11:36] <Quintasan> Don't we have mobility 1.2 in Debian?
[11:36] <yofel> we do
[11:36] <Quintasan> yofel: We do, at least for simon I think
[11:36] <rbelem> yofel, for mobility 1.2
[11:36] <Quintasan> Then ScottK can probably sync that
[11:36] <yofel> rbelem: mobility 1.2 builds fine with current qmf here
[11:37] <rbelem> yofel, that' s true
[11:38] <rbelem> since it is ready in debian lets just sync it
[11:39] <yofel> check if any of our modifications are still needed, if not file a sync request saying that the diff is obsolete, or if yes merge the package
[11:40] <rbelem> oki
[11:41] <yofel> esp. interesting is:
[11:41] <yofel> * Remove qmf-dev build-dependency, upstream recommended to build without QMF, disable libqtmessaging1 and libdeclarative-messaging packages
[11:41] <rbelem> yofel, it does not have our patches there
[11:41] <rbelem> yofel, why they recommend that?
[11:42] <yofel> ask, Riddell, he did that
[11:43] <rbelem> yofel, Riddell made some changes in the package
[11:43] <Riddell> because QMF is a not very good implementation by Qt Brisbane which nobody is expected to use
[11:44] <rbelem> :-)
[11:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: and why is it used then?
[11:44] <Riddell> who uses it?
[11:45] <rbelem> Riddell, only nokia maybe
[11:45] <Riddell> I'm not sure even Nokia use it
[11:45] <rbelem> :-D
[11:46] <rbelem> yofel, 3 min to download qtmobility debian
[11:48] <debfx> note that qtmobility 1.2 needs a FFe before it can go into the archive
[11:51] <rbelem> yofel, the Riddell changes are already in debian
[11:53] <markey_nokialyze> re
[12:18] <debfx> does the "Remember authorization" option in the polkit dialog work for anyone?
[12:19] <debfx> looking at the code it seems like the checkbox is not used at all
[12:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: doesn't for me
[12:21] <debfx> shadeslayer: ok, thanks
[12:21] <debfx> I'll just hide those checkboxes
[14:02] <Quintasan> http://kate-editor.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/kate-in-kde2.2.png
[14:02] <Quintasan> LOL
[14:35] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will finish the other packages, then i ll ping you, ok?
[14:36]  * bulldog98 wants debdelta
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i'll settle for super compressed packages :P
[15:30] <Quintasan> yofel: How's ABIManager debug?
[15:30] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone else had issues with the Nvidia drivers?
[15:32] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: What sort of issues? Everything works fine here
[15:34] <DarkwingDuck> I had issues with nouveau auto blacklisting. even removing/purging it didn't help. It would build in the kernel then, the kernel wouldn't be able to find it... In Oneiric.
[15:44] <bambee> evening
[15:45] <DarkwingDuck> Hiya.
[15:45] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL! http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2011/08/12/careful-what-you-wish-for/
[15:49] <ScottK> Nice.
[15:49] <nigelb> hehe, brilliant
[15:52] <bambee> OMG. http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Activate_your_DS_toy
[15:52] <bambee> intel <3
[15:56] <bambee> bbl
[15:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yet another reason to love chrome. http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/12/friday-time-waster-play-dos-games-in-your-chrome-browser/
[15:58] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: nice, but it lacks cpu load emulation ;)
[16:30] <debfx> and here is apt-gentoo for ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/k1QCDhbH :)
[16:31] <stanley_robertso> hi .. got a small question.. can we enable the kubuntu cuboid/3d desktop env in vmware ?
[16:34] <debfx> stanley_robertso: vmware doesn't support 3d acceleration on linux, right?
[16:37]  * Quintasan applies for sponsorship
[16:39] <stanley_robertso> debfx: actually i doubt the same.. but not sure.. if iam wrong.. so asked the question here
[16:43] <Quintasan> stanley_robertso: IF the VM has 3D acceleration then it SHOULD work
[16:43] <Quintasan> But we can't really guarantee that
[16:45] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: ok
[16:46] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: what is the feasible/best way to get into kubuntu dev
[16:46] <tsimpson> stanley_robertso: I'm pretty sure VMware only likes DirectX, rather than OpenGL
[16:46] <Quintasan> stanley_robertso: packaging, docs writing, coding :)
[16:46] <stanley_robertso> am a c/c++/unix/perl developer
[16:46] <Quintasan> !
[16:47] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: :) True.. what is the fastest way
[16:47] <stanley_robertso> !kubuntu
[16:47] <Quintasan> By any chance, do you know Qt?
[16:47] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: nO.. i think i need to learn that
[16:47] <stanley_robertso> !Qt
[16:47] <tsimpson> if you know C++, Qt is pretty easy (and enjoyable) to learn
[16:47] <Quintasan> stanley_robertso: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/
[16:47] <Quintasan> Here are the docs
[16:48] <tsimpson> and the Qt docs are awesome, truly
[16:48] <Quintasan> I think we all appreciate people with ability to code :)
[16:48] <stanley_robertso> be right back
[17:05] <stanley_robertso> iam back
[17:05] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: iam downloading the Qt SDK
[17:07] <Quintasan> stanley_robertso: Cool, I think dslogger might know any tasks you could do
[17:07]  * Quintasan is not familiar with C++ to this level
[17:10] <stanley_robertso> Quintasan: thanks for helping me till now. 
[17:10] <Quintasan> stanley_robertso: Don't thank me now :P
[17:10] <stanley_robertso> dslogger: can you suggest me or give me a hook, to get acquintance on Qt
[17:11] <Quintasan> dslogger is at Desktop Summit currently so it might take a while
[17:12]  * Quintasan loves the way Marianne responds to emails
[17:18] <tsimpson> stanley_robertso: there are some tutorials and examples on the Qt site: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/tutorials.html http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/all-examples.html as good a place to start as any
[17:20] <muntiKubu> after yesterday update only one app can play sound.  Is pulse audio really necessary for Kubuntu?
[17:23] <muntiKubu> IIRC phonon is best and PA dosen't play well.  In fact it's disruptive.
[17:24] <muntiKubu> so why have them both?
[17:29] <ScottK> They do different things.  Phonon uses PA.
[17:29] <ScottK> We've got some patches coming soon.
[17:40] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[17:43] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna is the muon dev right
[17:57] <ScottK> He is.
[18:08] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:08] <ScottK> _Groo_: He's probably at work.
[18:08] <_Groo_> ScottK: k tks :)
[18:09] <_Groo_> ScottK: i just wanted to ask him if its too much trouble to add the kproxy support to muon
[18:09] <_Groo_> ScottK: it already works from the command line with exports... so its a matter of adding the GUI
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: sort to speak... i know how hard it to add this kinda features
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: btw tomorrow ill upload digikam2
[18:10] <_Groo_> ScottK: i have to do the TH release anyway
[18:11] <stanley_robertso> thanks tsimpson
[22:26] <yofel> home sweet home :)
[22:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: dude
[22:27] <shadeslayer> your wifi key thingy is with me
[22:27] <shadeslayer> . . .
[22:28] <yofel> oh right, keep it till the next time we see each other
[22:28] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:28] <yofel> it's more usefuly for you than me anyway
[22:28] <yofel> *useful
[22:28] <shadeslayer> true that
[22:28] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:28] <shadeslayer> thanks to DS i get a free Wifi usb dongle
[22:28] <yofel> hehe
[22:29] <shadeslayer> loads of tee's as well