[00:00] <edgy> the problem I am afraid of is the dual VGA: Intel and ATI
[00:02] <charlie-tca> I don't have an answer. Maybe take a live cd in and try it
[00:03] <jbicha> edgy: I don't know that specifically, but like charlie says, see if they'll let you boot a Ubuntu live CD
[00:04] <edgy> charlie-tca, jbicha: the problem is even if the system boots from a live CD, I don't know how can I test swiching between the VGA's in linux. this is why I am asking ;)
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I never use more than one video card in a machine at a time. Sorry I can't really help with that.
[00:07] <jbicha> right, I have no experience with live-swapping; it might require killing X anyway...
[00:08] <edgy> this is promising but I need to check further: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTcyMQ
[00:18] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:13] <h00k> Thumbnails of an mp3 is the albumart. Awesome.
[02:20] <rww> what
[03:21] <hv> gnome-open didn't apparently make it to gnome3.  What is the standard way to open a file using the desktop's default application?
[03:22] <hv> there are the xdg-* tools, but I am not sure which one, if any, can be used to issue the "open document with default application" command.
[03:26] <jbicha> hv: xdg-open is what you should be using, I believe it requires gvfs-utils to be installed (it's a bug that it's not pre-installed)
[03:32] <Laibsch> can somebody please have a look at whether bug 379382 affects oneiric as well?
[03:38] <h00k> SO, I installed ubuntu-desktop over the top of xubuntu, and I have all the newest Unity menu with the new Ubuntu Start dealio
[03:39] <rww> what is ubuntu start
[03:39] <h00k> But the Unity application (Start) menu seems to be confused about which applications are there.  For instance, 'terminal' doesn't bring up gnome-terminal, even though I know it's there. 'gnome-terminal' doesn't either
[03:39] <h00k> rww: it's the topmost lens in the bar on the left
[03:40] <rww> h00k: I don't have Ubuntu installed :|
[03:40] <h00k> rww: uploading screenshot
[03:45] <h00k> rww: apparently not, stuff crashed
[03:45] <rww> lol.
[03:46] <h00k> rww: http://i.imgur.com/IlFgW.png
[03:46] <h00k> apparently that's the menu now, instead of on the top left
[03:48] <h00k> Anyway, is there...maybe something I'm missing that gnome-terminal isn't showing in the Unity menu?
[04:12] <jbicha> h00k: terminal shows up for me, but the Unity dash is in pretty rough shape
[05:50] <bullgard4_> Oneiric has got a /run directory. Why has Oneiric introduced this directory?
[05:52] <micahg> bullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory
[05:55] <WaltherFI> Ubuntu One crashing and not syncing on oneiric. Anyone had and/or solved this problem?
[05:57] <bullgard4_> micahg: "/run is a new cross-distribution location for the storage of transient state files—that is, files containing run-time information that may or may not need to be written early in the boot process and which does not require preserving across reboots." I do not understand why a location for the storage of transient files might be necessary for  »cross-distribution« puropses.
[05:57] <urlin2u> WaltherFI, the alternative is available, but not the daily live cd, I have seen this on development transitions in the past
[05:57] <micahg> bullgard4: consistency
[05:59] <micahg> bullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory#Is_.2BAC8-run_FHS_compliant.3F
[06:03] <bullgard4_> micahg: Ah! Understood. --  Thank you very much for your help.
[06:04] <micahg> bullgard4: you're welcome
[06:05] <zniavre> good morning
[06:21] <topyli> bullgard4_: those files used to be under /var, which is often mounted on a partition on its own and thus might be mounted relatively late in the boot sequence. by moving the directory for them to the root, it'll be available at once
[06:22] <topyli> bah, the link already explained it
[06:26] <bullgard4_> topyli: Yes. :-)
[06:50] <dsathe> hello
[06:51] <dsathe> really badly need help , some update just killed all my sound :(
[06:51] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[06:53] <dsathe> bump
[06:55] <dsathe> really badly need help , some update just killed all my sound
[06:56] <dsathe> tried reinstalling all alsa and pulse related files
[06:56] <dsathe> no luck
[07:01] <dsathe> dmesg | grep audio  too coming up blank :(
[07:06] <SevenMachines> dsathe: maybe have a look at 'lspci |grep -i Audio'?
[07:07] <SevenMachines> Or go into sound settings and check if the output is set correctly, it can change itself sometimes
[08:07] <dsathe> SevenMachines:
[08:07] <dsathe> that is all fine
[08:08] <dsathe> i get the required controller
[08:08] <dsathe> Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[08:12] <bullgard4_> What program writes text in the file /run/motd?
[08:23] <njin> hello, there's someone running oneiric fully updated with nouveau drivers?
[08:34] <dupondje> njin: yes ?
[08:36] <njin> dupondie, hello, have you got delay in dragging windows with xorg and compiz jumping at high values?
[08:37] <njin> with freezes and crashes?
[08:37] <dsathe> no sound
[08:37] <dsathe> any fix ?
[08:37] <dsathe> caused by l8st update
[08:49] <dupondje> njin: works fine here
[08:52] <stoneguy> Anyone know about missing isos from Daily Live? Been a few days now.
[08:56] <njin> dupondje, sorry, wich model of card do you have?
[08:58] <bullgard4_> ! sound | dsathe
[09:00] <jbicha> stoneguy: it's being worked on, maybe you'll have new isos today, maybe it'll still be a few more days
[09:03] <stoneguy> Thx, jbicha. Feared things got seriously borked. Missing sending reports to Launchpad recently :)
[09:07] <oimon> how can i use ubuntu classic on oneiric?
[09:10] <jbicha> oimon: just make sure gnome-panel is installed and choose Gnome Classic at login
[09:11] <jbicha> "indicator" status menus don't currently work there though & Ambiance looks a bit off in the panels there
[09:11] <jbicha> but it basically works
[09:12] <oimon> hey, simple solution, thanks. wow it's fast compared to unity!
[09:12] <ephan_> Is there a fixed time of the day whent he Daily Build is updated?
[09:12] <dupondje> njin: sorry was away
[09:12] <dupondje> mmmm :D
[09:12] <dupondje> its a dell XPS 15
[09:12] <dupondje> don't know it by hart :p
[09:20] <Jimbo666> I installed a bajillion updates last night on 11.10, and now when I try to log in it says "Failed to load session "Ubuntu". Is there a fix?
[09:34] <bullgard4_> Descriptions of LightDM are scarce. Does LightDM work as a windows manager also? Or what is the GNOME 3 window manager?
[09:36] <jbicha> bullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too
[09:38] <jbicha> the Gnome Shell window manager is Mutter, or Gnome Shell itself depending on your perspective
[09:38] <oimon> anyone else suffering from a broken software centre? clicking install doesn't work atm
[09:38] <jbicha> Gnome 2 & Gnome 3 Fallback use Metacity, although Compiz can also work
[09:39] <jbicha> oimon: if that's the same problem as update-manager being broken, it will be fixed today
[09:40] <jbicha> apt-get still works though
[09:40] <jbicha> or Synaptic
[09:40] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Your statement: "[11:36]	<jbicha>	bullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too" contradicts that of http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager.
[09:45] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Thank you very much for your help.
[09:46] <jbicha> bullgard4_: that linuxwiki doesn't load for me, but you can see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/X_display_manager_%28program_type%29
[09:59] <bullgard4_> jbicha: 'http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager: The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy." --  There seems to be disagreement in the Linux community about the range of functions of a »display manager«. --  Thank you again.
[11:31] <oimon> i notice full screen dash option has disappeared in 11.10
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:06] <Lynoure> Hello, I'm pondering about trying 11.04 Alpha3 on my HP Pavalion dv6
[13:07] <coz_> Lynoure,   cool
[13:07] <bazhang> Lynoure, its 11.10
[13:10] <Lynoure> bazhang: I know
[13:10] <Lynoure> bazhang: just typoish
[13:11] <coz_> Lynoure,  did you already test it with the live cd ?
[13:11] <Lynoure> coz_: not yet, will, unless someone tells me today it has some major showstoppers
[13:11] <Lynoure> (in which case cannot bother to burn the dvd)
[13:12] <coz_> Lynoure,  well, the only issue is that it is still alpha software
[13:12] <Lynoure> coz_: that's almost like a perk.
[13:12] <Lynoure> coz_: bug reports get attention and even fixes :)
[13:13] <dr_willis> setting up a flash drive with grub2 to boot the daily iso file.. is handy :) just replace iso.. you are updated
[13:14] <coz_> Lynoure,  excellent  then try it out... cant hurt if you appreciate the bugs
[13:14] <Lynoure> coz_: rather, nearly everything has bugs anyway.
[13:15] <coz_> Lynoure,  there you go.. then you already  qulled any doubts :)
[13:15] <coz_> quelled
[13:15] <coz_> did I spell that right?
[13:15] <bazhang> yes
[13:15] <coz_> :)
[14:30] <jussi> hrm, just ran the upgrade, had a small kernel issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/664301/
[14:30] <jussi> (thoats apt-get install -f after the upgrade to oneiric
[14:32] <utusan> looks like 11th update messed up the sound.  just 1 app can use the sound sys now
[14:47] <om26er> how can I remove bluetooth indicator from panel?
[15:31] <aroman> hey what software can I use to create a screencast (desktop video + microphone audio) on Oneiric?
[15:32] <bazhang> !screencast
[15:32] <bazhang> aroman, same as the usual?
[15:32] <aroman> bazhang: tried all of them, none work
[15:33] <bazhang> aroman, what exact errors
[15:33] <aroman> well istanbul is 4 years old and doesn't support appindicator, so that one's pretty much useless
[15:34] <aroman> recordmydesktop says it couldn't configure/open the sound card
[15:34] <aroman> and likewise for ffmpeh
[15:34] <aroman> xvidcap uses OSS and padsb doesn't support the full spec that it's using apparently
[15:36] <aroman> bazhang: but interestingly the control-center pane for sound can use my mic perfectly and record it.
[15:37] <bazhang> aroman, very odd indeed. perhaps there is some new one I know nothing about.
[15:37] <aroman> bazhang: yeah. I figured i'd ask in here since I see some ubuntu developers creating screencasts in Oneiric apparently without problem
[15:38] <bazhang> aroman, yep wise choice. perhaps when the channel is more active can help out. apologies
[15:39] <aroman> bazhang: no worries, thanks for your help in any event :)
[15:40] <mrslv> #join #ayatana
[15:41] <mrslv> lol.. sry
[15:41] <bazhang> try /join
[15:41] <mrslv> I know
[15:41] <bazhang> ok
[16:04] <aroman> bazhang: ah i found the bug. looks like it just cropped up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/824507
[16:29] <aroman> jml: ping
[16:42] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  what's the correct way to configure gdm3's background image in oneric?  the old  gconftool-2 method that worked until natty doesn't seem to work anymore.
[16:46] <Pici> Q-FUNK: a lot of things are being migrated to dconf, have you checked there (I don't know what their editor tools is)
[16:46] <aroman> Pici: Q-FUNK: dconf-editor, in the dconf-tools package.
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> Pici: could be.  I wouldn't know what their editor tool is either.
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> aroman: is there any documentation about using that with gnome products?
[16:47] <aroman> Q-FUNK: what do you mean? It's virtually the same thing as gconf
[16:47] <aroman> from an end-user perspective I mean
[16:48] <aroman> and like gconf schemas, it's pretty self-documenting
[16:48] <Q-FUNK> aroman: I need to configure custom backgrounds, GTK themes and icons within a metapackage.
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/funkyware-dude.jpg
[16:49] <aroman> Q-FUNK: shave a look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> that's what i would have used until natty.
[16:50] <aroman> specfically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings/view/head:/debian/elementary-default-settings.gsettings-override
[16:50] <aroman> i believe that's what you're looking for
[16:50] <aroman> (dconf is a backend for gsettings)
[16:51] <Q-FUNK> aroman: thanks.  looking...
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> aroman: yes and no. it shows me the default values of different desktop schemes, but not which tool to use to apply my own or how.
[17:00] <Q-FUNK> aroman: evidently either ubuntu-artwork or gdm uses some other tool to set the pink background as it default, but it's unclear which one.
[17:01] <aroman> Q-FUNK: i wasn't meaning to show you the default values
[17:01] <aroman> that package applies them
[17:03] <jml> aroman: hi
[17:03] <aroman> jml: hey I saw you reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/recordmydesktop/+bug/824507
[17:04] <jml> aroman: yes
[17:04] <aroman> jml: i wanted to ask if you've found a workaround, and let you know that's definitely not just a gtk-recordmydesktop bug
[17:04] <aroman> (as my comment confirms)
[17:04] <jml> aroman: set device to 'plughw:0,0'
[17:07] <aroman> jml: brilliant! worked like a charm
[17:07] <aroman> jml: thanks a lot :)
[17:07] <jml> aroman: np
[17:27] <dsathe> yeah my sound is ded in generall too
[17:28] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> dsathe, open a terminal. alsmixer -V all
[17:57] <dsathe> BluesKaj:
[17:57] <dsathe> i have tried all that
[17:57] <dsathe> levels are fine
[17:57] <BluesKaj> all what ?
[17:57] <dsathe> pcm
[17:57] <dsathe> alsamixer
[17:57] <dsathe> all elevels ok
[17:58] <dsathe> pulse output ok
[17:58] <dsathe> lspci ok
[17:58] <dsathe> lsmod all ok
[17:58] <dsathe> but no sound
[17:58] <dsathe> alsa is broken some where coz mpd with out to alsa failed
[17:59] <dsathe> pulse runs atop alsa so no hope util core is fixed
[17:59] <dsathe> i did reconf linux - sound base
[17:59] <dsathe> tried multiple kernels , custom kernels too
[17:59] <dsathe> something went wrong
[17:59] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio eh , I never use it personally , but if you must then install pavucontrol ...it gives more options and settings , dsathe
[18:00] <dsathe> as i said pulse is adaemon atop alsa
[18:00] <dsathe> sound core is broken
[18:00] <Q-FUNK> aroman: it still remains unclear to me how someone is supposed to apply generic desktop settings to GDM only using that.
[18:00] <dsathe> speaker-test fails
[18:00] <dsathe> afaik tht is core alsa
[18:00] <BluesKaj> it's a soundserver layer , yeah and mostly useless IMO
[18:00] <dsathe> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[18:00] <dsathe> Playback open error: -6,No such device or address
[18:00] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio that is
[18:01] <dsathe> BluesKaj: usefull for multiple sr sinc
[18:01] <dsathe> and on the fly switches
[18:01] <dsathe> alsa-lib error
[18:01] <BluesKaj> have you tried not using pulseaudio ?
[18:02] <dsathe> and as luk would have it my hw does not support opensound :(
[18:02] <dsathe> OSS4
[18:02]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...
[18:03] <dsathe> BluesKaj: yes i did start in a init level sans pulse no luck
[18:03] <dsathe> asound test also fails
[18:03] <BluesKaj> what player(s) ?
[18:03] <dsathe> alsa basic tests
[18:03] <dsathe> no players
[18:03] <dsathe> tried mpc
[18:03] <dsathe> ncmpcpp too
[18:04] <dsathe> initially i thought it was due to kernel update
[18:04] <dsathe> so cheked tht out too, removed changes to opts in modprobe for my module too
[18:04] <BluesKaj> what default soundcard/devices in phonon
[18:05] <dsathe> i dont use phonon
[18:05] <dsathe> snd_hda_intel
[18:05] <dsathe> is the module
[18:05] <dsathe> phonon is kde specifik afaik
[18:06] <BluesKaj> !intelhda
[18:06] <dsathe> is there a way to produce a more deatild debug log
[18:06] <dsathe> so i could paste it some where
[18:06] <BluesKaj>  /var/log
[18:06] <dsathe> ill ive these a shot , though i doubt i changed any of this , tried trouble shooting from arch wiki on alsa
[18:06] <dsathe> hmm
[18:07] <dsathe> funny that ' dmesg | grep audio' is blank
[18:08] <dsathe> BluesKaj:  nah the help page is no use
[18:09] <dsathe> ubutnu help pages only ok for small minor issues and skimming docs
[18:10] <dsathe> i have tried all from arch and pulse and alsa wikis
[18:10] <dsathe> no  use
[18:10] <Pici> I *think* ubuntu-bug sound is valid
[18:10] <dsathe> and not an issue with my hw coz audio is just fine on arch
[18:13] <dsathe> Pici:  any idea is ther a bug report
[18:13] <Pici> dsathe: I don't if there is one logged.  I can test on my laptop later today. I have the same sound card, but I haven't rebooted lately.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> dsathe, dunno much about gnome sound ...forgot that phonon is a kde default ... I use kde without pulseaudio but with the default phonon
[18:14] <dsathe> phonon now uses gst as a backend
[18:14] <BluesKaj> or vlc
[18:14] <BluesKaj> if you install it
[18:14] <dsathe> it earlier used something else
[18:14] <dsathe> interseting
[18:15] <dsathe> it used xine afaik
[18:15] <dsathe> used kde before too clunky
[18:15] <dsathe> insane finish tho
[18:16] <BluesKaj> vlc runs great on my media server pc ...fine video and digital out if you set it up right
[18:16] <dsathe> gnome laked it till shell/unity (i dun wanna start th shell/unity mongering)
[18:16] <dsathe> each to his own
[18:16] <BluesKaj> digital audio out
[18:16] <dsathe> hmm
[18:16] <dsathe> i did that with arch and xbmc
[18:16] <dsathe> :P
[18:16] <dsathe> nice iface for a media center
[18:17] <BluesKaj> xbmc is ok , but , too many menus to get anything to play
[18:17] <dsathe> and arch light for an atom with custom built kernels stripped for an atom and pulling out anything i did not need
[18:17] <dsathe> anyone got nvidia curren to build against linux 3 git 22 or newer
[18:18] <BluesKaj> dsathe, sounds to me that you might have stripped out a bit too much
[18:18] <dsathe> no its my 8th rev
[18:18] <dsathe> time tested
[18:19] <dsathe> and yeah rite now i am on stock 3.0.0-8
[18:19] <BluesKaj> yeah and no audio
[18:19] <dsathe> the latest one tht trickeled into oneric
[18:19] <dsathe> no definitely not an kernel issue
[18:19] <dsathe> i hav 5 diff kernels installed of all possible types
[18:19] <BluesKaj> well have fun ...bbl
[18:19] <dsathe> same issue across all
[18:19] <dsathe> bbye
[18:20] <dsathe> waiting for ck to rel 3.0 patches :P
[18:22] <dsathe> will moove to arch , come bak once oneric is fixed , no sound suks , ill try to pull up the logs n report it
[18:22] <dsathe> no video is cool , no sound not OK
[18:45] <traskers> I'm running +1 right now, and for some reason a few applications (Marlin and Nautilus are the ones I've noticed) won't theme? They don't load any icons and the GTK theme is just Redmond.
[18:49] <w231232131> I was just gonna test Alpha 3 in VMWare, installed all the drivers and put the compiz --replace switch to the startup and now I can't see Unity elements. I can access the Terminal. How do I edit the startup applications to reverse this?
[18:51] <traskers> w231232131, can you run "metacity --replace" from the terminal?
[18:52] <traskers> Or would it be "mutter --replace" now?
[18:55] <w231232131> traskers: The VM locks up every time I run it.
[18:56] <traskers> w231232131, run "gnome-session-properties" and you should be able to remove "compiz --replace" and then log out and back in and everything should be flash.
[18:59] <w231232131> traskers: That worked. Thanks.
[18:59] <traskers> No problemo.
[19:46] <em> .w 3
[20:31] <htorque> can anyone running up-to-date oneiric please do "ubuntu-bug <whatever>", send (not file) the bug info and look if the URL you are sent to ends with a questionmark?
[20:33] <traskers> htorque, what do you mean "<whatever>" ?
[20:34] <htorque> any package you like, i'm just interested in the url you are sent to as for me that ends with a "?" which leads to LP telling me it couldn't find a referrer (the long number in front of the "?")
[20:35] <htorque> so, eg. do "ubuntu-bug unity", let it collect the data and send it online, look at the end of the url and just close the browser tab
[20:35] <traskers> No "?" for me.
[20:35] <htorque> thanks
[20:36] <traskers> No problem.
[20:37] <htorque> traskers: one question - which browser are you using? maybe that's an issue with opera
[20:38] <traskers> It opened up in Firefox.
[20:38] <htorque> k, thanks again :)
[20:40] <htorque> rats, also shows up with an "?" in firefox and chromium :(
[20:42] <traskers> I just did it again, and that time it showed up.
[20:42] <traskers> The first time, I had to log-in to launchpad and it didn't show up when it redirected me.
[21:01] <BUGabundo> howdy ppl that one day could make me very happy....
[21:05] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo ..how happy ? :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> how happy can one be?
[22:59] <ChrisBuchholz> Whats up with the cd image of alpha 3 being bigger that what a cd can contain?
[23:00] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  are you downloading the daily build maybe?
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> coz_: i dont think so. this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:01] <ChrisBuchholz> the iso is 709mb, but when it gets unpackaged on the cd, its 743,7mb, which is 101% of a cd and therefore doesnt fit
[23:02] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  hold on let me download from another link
[23:02] <coz_> mmm  looks like it is definitly large
[23:03] <ChrisBuchholz> coz_: exactly. Weirded me out a bit at first, and then just made me sad knowing that i wouldnt be able to try out alpha 3
[23:03] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,   yeah it does look large  I am getting about 770  or 730 for 32 bit the first is 64 bit
[23:03] <coz_> that's odd
[23:03] <ChrisBuchholz> indeed
[23:04] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  sorry  727 megs for 64 biut
[23:04] <coz_> bit
[23:04] <coz_> ChrisBuchholz,  mm I didnt think they were moving to live dvd
[23:05] <ChrisBuchholz> if i had dvds available, it wouldnt be a problem, but unfortunately i dont, and i cant boot from usb either
[23:18] <ChrisBuchholz> Is it possible to get the alpha 2 cdimage from somewhere? i dont see it at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[23:28] <triunity> I saw some pictures of the GDM for ubuntu 11.10, am i correct that there will be a guest login for gdm?
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> it's not gdm
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> lightDM
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> and yes
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> http://www.reddit.com/r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu/comments/jgypm/social_services_will_never_understand/
[23:57] <Ian_Corne> wtf?
[23:59] <Ian_Corne> oops wrong window :)