edgythe problem I am afraid of is the dual VGA: Intel and ATI00:00
charlie-tcaI don't have an answer. Maybe take a live cd in and try it00:02
jbichaedgy: I don't know that specifically, but like charlie says, see if they'll let you boot a Ubuntu live CD00:03
edgycharlie-tca, jbicha: the problem is even if the system boots from a live CD, I don't know how can I test swiching between the VGA's in linux. this is why I am asking ;)00:04
charlie-tcaI never use more than one video card in a machine at a time. Sorry I can't really help with that.00:05
jbicharight, I have no experience with live-swapping; it might require killing X anyway...00:07
edgythis is promising but I need to check further: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTcyMQ00:08
h00kThumbnails of an mp3 is the albumart. Awesome.02:13
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hvgnome-open didn't apparently make it to gnome3.  What is the standard way to open a file using the desktop's default application?03:21
hvthere are the xdg-* tools, but I am not sure which one, if any, can be used to issue the "open document with default application" command.03:22
jbichahv: xdg-open is what you should be using, I believe it requires gvfs-utils to be installed (it's a bug that it's not pre-installed)03:26
Laibschcan somebody please have a look at whether bug 379382 affects oneiric as well?03:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379382 in gnome-utils "gnome-screenshot (Alt-Printscreen) black/blanks out top of windows in multi monitor xinerama" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37938203:32
h00kSO, I installed ubuntu-desktop over the top of xubuntu, and I have all the newest Unity menu with the new Ubuntu Start dealio03:38
rwwwhat is ubuntu start03:39
h00kBut the Unity application (Start) menu seems to be confused about which applications are there.  For instance, 'terminal' doesn't bring up gnome-terminal, even though I know it's there. 'gnome-terminal' doesn't either03:39
h00krww: it's the topmost lens in the bar on the left03:39
rwwh00k: I don't have Ubuntu installed :|03:40
h00krww: uploading screenshot03:40
h00krww: apparently not, stuff crashed03:45
h00krww: http://i.imgur.com/IlFgW.png03:46
h00kapparently that's the menu now, instead of on the top left03:46
h00kAnyway, is there...maybe something I'm missing that gnome-terminal isn't showing in the Unity menu?03:48
jbichah00k: terminal shows up for me, but the Unity dash is in pretty rough shape04:12
bullgard4_Oneiric has got a /run directory. Why has Oneiric introduced this directory?05:50
micahgbullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory05:52
WaltherFIUbuntu One crashing and not syncing on oneiric. Anyone had and/or solved this problem?05:55
bullgard4_micahg: "/run is a new cross-distribution location for the storage of transient state files—that is, files containing run-time information that may or may not need to be written early in the boot process and which does not require preserving across reboots." I do not understand why a location for the storage of transient files might be necessary for  »cross-distribution« puropses.05:57
urlin2uWaltherFI, the alternative is available, but not the daily live cd, I have seen this on development transitions in the past05:57
micahgbullgard4: consistency05:57
micahgbullgard4: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory#Is_.2BAC8-run_FHS_compliant.3F05:59
bullgard4_micahg: Ah! Understood. --  Thank you very much for your help.06:03
micahgbullgard4: you're welcome06:04
zniavregood morning06:05
topylibullgard4_: those files used to be under /var, which is often mounted on a partition on its own and thus might be mounted relatively late in the boot sequence. by moving the directory for them to the root, it'll be available at once06:21
topylibah, the link already explained it06:22
bullgard4_topyli: Yes. :-)06:26
dsathereally badly need help , some update just killed all my sound :(06:51
dsatheany ideas ?06:51
dsathereally badly need help , some update just killed all my sound06:55
dsathetried reinstalling all alsa and pulse related files06:56
dsatheno luck06:56
dsathedmesg | grep audio  too coming up blank :(07:01
SevenMachinesdsathe: maybe have a look at 'lspci |grep -i Audio'?07:06
SevenMachinesOr go into sound settings and check if the output is set correctly, it can change itself sometimes07:07
dsathethat is all fine08:07
dsathei get the required controller08:08
dsatheCannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so08:08
bullgard4_What program writes text in the file /run/motd?08:12
njinhello, there's someone running oneiric fully updated with nouveau drivers?08:23
dupondjenjin: yes ?08:34
njindupondie, hello, have you got delay in dragging windows with xorg and compiz jumping at high values?08:36
njinwith freezes and crashes?08:37
dsatheno sound08:37
dsatheany fix ?08:37
dsathecaused by l8st update08:37
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dupondjenjin: works fine here08:49
stoneguyAnyone know about missing isos from Daily Live? Been a few days now.08:52
njindupondje, sorry, wich model of card do you have?08:56
bullgard4_! sound | dsathe08:58
ubottudsathe: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.08:58
jbichastoneguy: it's being worked on, maybe you'll have new isos today, maybe it'll still be a few more days09:00
stoneguyThx, jbicha. Feared things got seriously borked. Missing sending reports to Launchpad recently :)09:03
oimonhow can i use ubuntu classic on oneiric?09:07
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jbichaoimon: just make sure gnome-panel is installed and choose Gnome Classic at login09:10
jbicha"indicator" status menus don't currently work there though & Ambiance looks a bit off in the panels there09:11
jbichabut it basically works09:11
oimonhey, simple solution, thanks. wow it's fast compared to unity!09:12
ephan_Is there a fixed time of the day whent he Daily Build is updated?09:12
dupondjenjin: sorry was away09:12
dupondjemmmm :D09:12
dupondjeits a dell XPS 1509:12
dupondjedon't know it by hart :p09:12
Jimbo666I installed a bajillion updates last night on 11.10, and now when I try to log in it says "Failed to load session "Ubuntu". Is there a fix?09:20
bullgard4_Descriptions of LightDM are scarce. Does LightDM work as a windows manager also? Or what is the GNOME 3 window manager?09:34
jbichabullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too09:36
jbichathe Gnome Shell window manager is Mutter, or Gnome Shell itself depending on your perspective09:38
oimonanyone else suffering from a broken software centre? clicking install doesn't work atm09:38
jbichaGnome 2 & Gnome 3 Fallback use Metacity, although Compiz can also work09:38
jbichaoimon: if that's the same problem as update-manager being broken, it will be fixed today09:39
jbichaapt-get still works though09:40
jbichaor Synaptic09:40
bullgard4_jbicha: Your statement: "[11:36]<jbicha>bullgard4_: a display manager handles login, user-switching, & I guess screenlocking & the "screensaver" now too" contradicts that of http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager.09:40
bullgard4_jbicha: Thank you very much for your help.09:45
jbichabullgard4_: that linuxwiki doesn't load for me, but you can see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/X_display_manager_%28program_type%2909:46
bullgard4_jbicha: 'http://linuxwiki.de/DisplayManager: The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy." --  There seems to be disagreement in the Linux community about the range of functions of a »display manager«. --  Thank you again.09:59
oimoni notice full screen dash option has disappeared in 11.1011:31
BluesKajHiyas all12:11
LynoureHello, I'm pondering about trying 11.04 Alpha3 on my HP Pavalion dv613:06
coz_Lynoure,   cool13:07
bazhangLynoure, its 11.1013:07
Lynourebazhang: I know13:10
Lynourebazhang: just typoish13:10
coz_Lynoure,  did you already test it with the live cd ?13:11
Lynourecoz_: not yet, will, unless someone tells me today it has some major showstoppers13:11
Lynoure(in which case cannot bother to burn the dvd)13:11
coz_Lynoure,  well, the only issue is that it is still alpha software13:12
Lynourecoz_: that's almost like a perk.13:12
Lynourecoz_: bug reports get attention and even fixes :)13:12
dr_willissetting up a flash drive with grub2 to boot the daily iso file.. is handy :) just replace iso.. you are updated13:13
coz_Lynoure,  excellent  then try it out... cant hurt if you appreciate the bugs13:14
Lynourecoz_: rather, nearly everything has bugs anyway.13:14
coz_Lynoure,  there you go.. then you already  qulled any doubts :)13:15
coz_did I spell that right?13:15
jussihrm, just ran the upgrade, had a small kernel issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/664301/14:30
jussi(thoats apt-get install -f after the upgrade to oneiric14:30
utusanlooks like 11th update messed up the sound.  just 1 app can use the sound sys now14:32
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om26erhow can I remove bluetooth indicator from panel?14:47
aromanhey what software can I use to create a screencast (desktop video + microphone audio) on Oneiric?15:31
ubottuSome programs to capture your screen are recordmydesktop, Istanbul, Wink, Xvidcap, pyvnc2swf.  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts.15:32
bazhangaroman, same as the usual?15:32
aromanbazhang: tried all of them, none work15:32
bazhangaroman, what exact errors15:33
aromanwell istanbul is 4 years old and doesn't support appindicator, so that one's pretty much useless15:33
aromanrecordmydesktop says it couldn't configure/open the sound card15:34
aromanand likewise for ffmpeh15:34
aromanxvidcap uses OSS and padsb doesn't support the full spec that it's using apparently15:34
aromanbazhang: but interestingly the control-center pane for sound can use my mic perfectly and record it.15:36
bazhangaroman, very odd indeed. perhaps there is some new one I know nothing about.15:37
aromanbazhang: yeah. I figured i'd ask in here since I see some ubuntu developers creating screencasts in Oneiric apparently without problem15:37
bazhangaroman, yep wise choice. perhaps when the channel is more active can help out. apologies15:38
aromanbazhang: no worries, thanks for your help in any event :)15:39
mrslv#join #ayatana15:40
mrslvlol.. sry15:41
bazhangtry /join15:41
mrslvI know15:41
aromanbazhang: ah i found the bug. looks like it just cropped up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/82450716:04
ubottuUbuntu bug 824507 in recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "Cannot access sound card" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:04
aromanjml: ping16:29
Q-FUNKhowdy!  what's the correct way to configure gdm3's background image in oneric?  the old  gconftool-2 method that worked until natty doesn't seem to work anymore.16:42
PiciQ-FUNK: a lot of things are being migrated to dconf, have you checked there (I don't know what their editor tools is)16:46
aromanPici: Q-FUNK: dconf-editor, in the dconf-tools package.16:46
Q-FUNKPici: could be.  I wouldn't know what their editor tool is either.16:46
Q-FUNKaroman: is there any documentation about using that with gnome products?16:46
aromanQ-FUNK: what do you mean? It's virtually the same thing as gconf16:47
aromanfrom an end-user perspective I mean16:47
aromanand like gconf schemas, it's pretty self-documenting16:48
Q-FUNKaroman: I need to configure custom backgrounds, GTK themes and icons within a metapackage.16:48
Q-FUNKsudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --set --type string /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename /usr/share/backgrounds/funkyware-dude.jpg16:49
aromanQ-FUNK: shave a look at: https://code.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings16:49
Q-FUNKthat's what i would have used until natty.16:49
aromanspecfically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elementaryart/elementaryos/default-settings/view/head:/debian/elementary-default-settings.gsettings-override16:50
aromani believe that's what you're looking for16:50
aroman(dconf is a backend for gsettings)16:50
Q-FUNKaroman: thanks.  looking...16:51
Q-FUNKaroman: yes and no. it shows me the default values of different desktop schemes, but not which tool to use to apply my own or how.16:59
Q-FUNKaroman: evidently either ubuntu-artwork or gdm uses some other tool to set the pink background as it default, but it's unclear which one.17:00
aromanQ-FUNK: i wasn't meaning to show you the default values17:01
aromanthat package applies them17:01
jmlaroman: hi17:03
aromanjml: hey I saw you reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/recordmydesktop/+bug/82450717:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 824507 in recordmydesktop (Ubuntu) "Cannot access sound card" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:03
jmlaroman: yes17:04
aromanjml: i wanted to ask if you've found a workaround, and let you know that's definitely not just a gtk-recordmydesktop bug17:04
aroman(as my comment confirms)17:04
jmlaroman: set device to 'plughw:0,0'17:04
aromanjml: brilliant! worked like a charm17:07
aromanjml: thanks a lot :)17:07
jmlaroman: np17:07
dsatheyeah my sound is ded in generall too17:27
dsatheany ideas ?17:28
BluesKajdsathe, open a terminal. alsmixer -V all17:57
dsathei have tried all that17:57
dsathelevels are fine17:57
BluesKajall what ?17:57
dsatheall elevels ok17:57
dsathepulse output ok17:58
dsathelspci ok17:58
dsathelsmod all ok17:58
dsathebut no sound17:58
dsathealsa is broken some where coz mpd with out to alsa failed17:58
dsathepulse runs atop alsa so no hope util core is fixed17:59
dsathei did reconf linux - sound base17:59
dsathetried multiple kernels , custom kernels too17:59
dsathesomething went wrong17:59
BluesKajpulseaudio eh , I never use it personally , but if you must then install pavucontrol ...it gives more options and settings , dsathe17:59
dsatheas i said pulse is adaemon atop alsa18:00
dsathesound core is broken18:00
Q-FUNKaroman: it still remains unclear to me how someone is supposed to apply generic desktop settings to GDM only using that.18:00
dsathespeaker-test fails18:00
dsatheafaik tht is core alsa18:00
BluesKajit's a soundserver layer , yeah and mostly useless IMO18:00
dsatheALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so18:00
dsathePlayback open error: -6,No such device or address18:00
BluesKajpulseaudio that is18:00
dsatheBluesKaj: usefull for multiple sr sinc18:01
dsatheand on the fly switches18:01
dsathealsa-lib error18:01
BluesKajhave you tried not using pulseaudio ?18:01
dsatheand as luk would have it my hw does not support opensound :(18:02
* BluesKaj shrugs ...18:02
dsatheBluesKaj: yes i did start in a init level sans pulse no luck18:03
dsatheasound test also fails18:03
BluesKajwhat player(s) ?18:03
dsathealsa basic tests18:03
dsatheno players18:03
dsathetried mpc18:03
dsathencmpcpp too18:03
dsatheinitially i thought it was due to kernel update18:04
dsatheso cheked tht out too, removed changes to opts in modprobe for my module too18:04
BluesKajwhat default soundcard/devices in phonon18:04
dsathei dont use phonon18:05
dsatheis the module18:05
dsathephonon is kde specifik afaik18:05
ubottuFor fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto18:06
dsatheis there a way to produce a more deatild debug log18:06
dsatheso i could paste it some where18:06
BluesKaj /var/log18:06
dsatheill ive these a shot , though i doubt i changed any of this , tried trouble shooting from arch wiki on alsa18:06
dsathefunny that ' dmesg | grep audio' is blank18:07
dsatheBluesKaj:  nah the help page is no use18:08
dsatheubutnu help pages only ok for small minor issues and skimming docs18:09
dsathei have tried all from arch and pulse and alsa wikis18:10
dsatheno  use18:10
PiciI *think* ubuntu-bug sound is valid18:10
dsatheand not an issue with my hw coz audio is just fine on arch18:10
dsathePici:  any idea is ther a bug report18:13
Picidsathe: I don't if there is one logged.  I can test on my laptop later today. I have the same sound card, but I haven't rebooted lately.18:13
BluesKajdsathe, dunno much about gnome sound ...forgot that phonon is a kde default ... I use kde without pulseaudio but with the default phonon18:13
dsathephonon now uses gst as a backend18:14
BluesKajor vlc18:14
BluesKajif you install it18:14
dsatheit earlier used something else18:14
dsatheit used xine afaik18:15
dsatheused kde before too clunky18:15
dsatheinsane finish tho18:15
BluesKajvlc runs great on my media server pc ...fine video and digital out if you set it up right18:16
dsathegnome laked it till shell/unity (i dun wanna start th shell/unity mongering)18:16
dsatheeach to his own18:16
BluesKajdigital audio out18:16
dsathei did that with arch and xbmc18:16
dsathenice iface for a media center18:16
BluesKajxbmc is ok , but , too many menus to get anything to play18:17
dsatheand arch light for an atom with custom built kernels stripped for an atom and pulling out anything i did not need18:17
dsatheanyone got nvidia curren to build against linux 3 git 22 or newer18:17
BluesKajdsathe, sounds to me that you might have stripped out a bit too much18:18
dsatheno its my 8th rev18:18
dsathetime tested18:18
dsatheand yeah rite now i am on stock 3.0.0-818:19
BluesKajyeah and no audio18:19
dsathethe latest one tht trickeled into oneric18:19
dsatheno definitely not an kernel issue18:19
dsathei hav 5 diff kernels installed of all possible types18:19
BluesKajwell have fun ...bbl18:19
dsathesame issue across all18:19
dsathewaiting for ck to rel 3.0 patches :P18:20
dsathewill moove to arch , come bak once oneric is fixed , no sound suks , ill try to pull up the logs n report it18:22
dsatheno video is cool , no sound not OK18:22
traskersI'm running +1 right now, and for some reason a few applications (Marlin and Nautilus are the ones I've noticed) won't theme? They don't load any icons and the GTK theme is just Redmond.18:45
w231232131I was just gonna test Alpha 3 in VMWare, installed all the drivers and put the compiz --replace switch to the startup and now I can't see Unity elements. I can access the Terminal. How do I edit the startup applications to reverse this?18:49
traskersw231232131, can you run "metacity --replace" from the terminal?18:51
traskersOr would it be "mutter --replace" now?18:52
w231232131traskers: The VM locks up every time I run it.18:55
traskersw231232131, run "gnome-session-properties" and you should be able to remove "compiz --replace" and then log out and back in and everything should be flash.18:56
w231232131traskers: That worked. Thanks.18:59
traskersNo problemo.18:59
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em.w 319:46
htorquecan anyone running up-to-date oneiric please do "ubuntu-bug <whatever>", send (not file) the bug info and look if the URL you are sent to ends with a questionmark?20:31
traskershtorque, what do you mean "<whatever>" ?20:33
htorqueany package you like, i'm just interested in the url you are sent to as for me that ends with a "?" which leads to LP telling me it couldn't find a referrer (the long number in front of the "?")20:34
htorqueso, eg. do "ubuntu-bug unity", let it collect the data and send it online, look at the end of the url and just close the browser tab20:35
traskersNo "?" for me.20:35
traskersNo problem.20:36
htorquetraskers: one question - which browser are you using? maybe that's an issue with opera20:37
traskersIt opened up in Firefox.20:38
htorquek, thanks again :)20:38
htorquerats, also shows up with an "?" in firefox and chromium :(20:40
traskersI just did it again, and that time it showed up.20:42
traskersThe first time, I had to log-in to launchpad and it didn't show up when it redirected me.20:42
BUGabundohowdy ppl that one day could make me very happy....21:01
BluesKajhey BUGabundo ..how happy ? :)21:05
BUGabundohow happy can one be?21:07
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ChrisBuchholzWhats up with the cd image of alpha 3 being bigger that what a cd can contain?22:59
coz_ChrisBuchholz,  are you downloading the daily build maybe?23:00
ChrisBuchholzcoz_: i dont think so. this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso23:01
ChrisBuchholzthe iso is 709mb, but when it gets unpackaged on the cd, its 743,7mb, which is 101% of a cd and therefore doesnt fit23:01
coz_ChrisBuchholz,  hold on let me download from another link23:02
coz_mmm  looks like it is definitly large23:02
ChrisBuchholzcoz_: exactly. Weirded me out a bit at first, and then just made me sad knowing that i wouldnt be able to try out alpha 323:03
coz_ChrisBuchholz,   yeah it does look large  I am getting about 770  or 730 for 32 bit the first is 64 bit23:03
coz_that's odd23:03
coz_ChrisBuchholz,  sorry  727 megs for 64 biut23:04
coz_ChrisBuchholz,  mm I didnt think they were moving to live dvd23:04
ChrisBuchholzif i had dvds available, it wouldnt be a problem, but unfortunately i dont, and i cant boot from usb either23:05
ChrisBuchholzIs it possible to get the alpha 2 cdimage from somewhere? i dont see it at cdimage.ubuntu.com23:18
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triunityI saw some pictures of the GDM for ubuntu 11.10, am i correct that there will be a guest login for gdm?23:28
Ian_Corneit's not gdm23:48
Ian_Corneand yes23:48
Ian_Corneoops wrong window :)23:59

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