[00:04] Can't login after updates today, getting the Nautilus bar only across the top of the screen... [00:08] pgraner: are you sure you have all of Unity? you could try update & dist-upgrading again [00:09] or try logging into a different desktop environment; I'm using Gnome Shell at the moment [00:09] jbicha, just did it 2 min ago, this has been an ongoing prob since yesterday [00:09] was looking for some help from the desktop guys to debug [00:10] have you tried seeing if gdm does any better than lightdm? [00:10] and are you using a proprietary graphics driver? [00:11] jbicha, no all intel [00:11] jbicha, gdm is not installed anymore [00:12] pgraner: ah, I have intel too, you can install gdm if you like & switch between them with [00:12] dpkg-reconfigure lightdm [00:13] jbicha, not quite what I'm after, this is part of the canonical QA testing and was looking for help as I can rero the bug on demand [00:13] right, gdm wouldn't necessarily fix it either [00:14] intel w/unity greeter to log into Xubuntu works for me [00:15] micahg, this is going into unity, I see the launcher draw then flash then the nautilus menu bar draws and nothing else, all the nautilus menus are operative but you can't really do anything [00:15] * micahg can try to log into unity in a minute [00:24] pgraner: sorry, have a problem upgrading ATM to the latest packages, will need to troubleshoot later [00:24] micahg, thx === asac_ is now known as asac [02:30] mdeslaur: are you sure that pkexec doesn't work in a .desktop? it seems to work for me without needing a separate helper [03:10] jbicha: I couldn't get any suid binary to work from a .desktop file...I even tried setting gedit suid for a test, and it wouldn't start either [03:10] jbicha: you're trying on oneiric? [03:18] mdeslaur: yes, for Synaptic, I removed /usr/bin/pkexec-synaptic, edited the .desktop to just call pkexec synaptic [03:19] and ran sudo update-desktop-database [03:20] jbicha: hmm...let me try again, one sec [03:21] jbicha: hmm...not working for me...I'm clicking the desktop file in unity, and I'm clicking it in a nautilus window opened to /usr/share/applications and no dice [03:23] jbicha: how are you launching the desktop file? [03:27] mdeslaur: from Gnome Shell's app menu thing [03:27] let me try it in Unity though [03:29] ok, didn't work in Unity, I'm going to reboot [03:34] mdeslaur: ok, it doesn't work after reboot so there must have been some sort of caching going on, never mind [03:34] jbicha: it's possible that gnome shell doesn't apply the same restrictions as nautilus used to do [03:35] jbicha: oh, you mean even in gnome shell after a reboot? [03:35] oh, wait, let me try one more time; I was using gdm this time which doesn't set the correct $PATH [03:35] I should just fix that $PATH bug, but anyway... [03:39] ok, it does work in gnome shell even after a reboot, but it doesn't work in Unity [03:40] jbicha: how about opening a nautilus window to /usr/share/applications and clicking on it? [03:40] I did notice that pkexec works differently in Unity, in Unity it is themed, not modal, and gives multiple tries [03:41] oh! I think gnome-shell implements it's own policykit authentication dialog! [03:41] that's what's different [03:41] and it doesn't work in Nautilus either [03:43] I wish pkexec gedit would work so that it could replace gksudo entirely [03:47] well, you can do something like "pkexec env DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY gedit" [03:47] write a little wrapper to do that [03:53] hey DBO... [03:53] oh no [03:54] DBO, do you by chance know if setting the renderer for a category is just ignored? [03:54] in a lens? [03:54] no idea [03:54] the gwibber lens used to use the horizonal tile, and trying to set that now it just ignores it... [03:54] ok... i'll beat njpatel down in the morning :) [03:54] ask neil [03:55] i've got the gwibber lens mostly working against the new libunity :) [03:56] ive damn near lost my sanity [03:56] me too! [03:56] completely new API landing on FF day! [03:56] uhm [03:56] what do you guys expect? [03:56] seriously [03:56] you tell us there is a hard freeze [03:56] i know ;) [03:56] so we land shit in whatever state we must [03:57] but now all the lens authors have to rush to port :) [03:57] yep [03:57] well [03:57] nothing could be done [03:57] the work was more than could be done sanely [03:57] yeah, it's a huge change [03:57] have you tried out the alt-tab? [03:57] i think i grok the new stuff though [03:57] yeah! [03:57] i love it! [03:58] :) [03:58] Im glad [03:58] love love love love it! [03:58] any complaints? [03:58] Im still polishing [03:58] (i have a branch with blur btw) [03:59] what does it blur? everything else? [03:59] behind itself [04:00] kenvandine: so you're the person to talk to about what's changed in lenses? :) [04:01] hehe... not really [04:01] i can pretend to know [04:01] :) [04:01] scopes... lenses can chain themselves now [04:01] which is damn cool [04:01] * ajmitch hasn't even looked at what's changed yet [04:01] i just ported the gwibber lens [04:02] mostly [04:04] * ajmitch has a lens that didn't really get 'finished' for natty [04:04] porting is pretty massive [04:04] almost a rewrite... :/ [04:05] unity-2d & 3d share the same lens code? [04:05] yes [04:05] * ajmitch only has oneiric in virtualbox at the moment :) [04:05] took me longer to port it than it did when i rewrote it in vala [04:06] heh [04:06] how much of that was due to the documentation not being there yet? [04:06] a fair bit [04:06] but i also changed 80% of the code [04:07] simplified though... [04:07] removed more than i added :) [04:07] which is nice [04:07] that's good [04:07] you can have scopes that feed info into other lenses [04:08] and a lens that aggregates scopes [04:08] etc [04:08] so existing lenses need to be ported, and won't load on oneiric right now? [04:08] right [04:08] won't even build [04:08] * ajmitch started writing a lens to search LP, in python [04:08] still needs porting ;) [04:08] yep [04:08] that would be a cool lens [04:09] a nice thing now is you don't end up with a bunch of launchers for them [04:09] it was limited, could just look up people, projects & bugs by # [04:09] they are all in the dash [04:09] searching bugs across all projects wasn't supported by the LP API, I need to check that again [04:10] well, any tips on porting are welcome :) [04:10] but I think I'll just need to dive in & do it [04:10] yes, I think there were too many launcher items by default in Natty so this helps [04:11] ajmitch, i looked at unity-lens-files as reference [04:11] and [04:11] https://code.launchpad.net/~njpatel/unity-lens-files/unity-lens-files/+merge/70475 [04:11] which is full of noise [04:11] full of s/Place/Lens/ [04:14] so all of the model-related code has changed? [04:14] yup [04:15] most of it is just gone now [04:15] you really just deal with the results_model [04:15] I see what you mean about complete rewrite then [05:40] good morning [05:41] Hey didrocks! [05:42] hey RAOF_! how are you? [05:42] Pretty good. It's almost the weekend! [05:42] Although my system's seen better days. Feature Freeze has taken its toll. [05:42] Incidentally, could you stop oneconf-query from popping apport up every 5 minutes? :) [05:43] RAOF_: urgh, really? do you have a backtrace? [05:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oneconf/+bug/824844 ? [05:44] Ubuntu bug 824844 in oneconf "oneconf-query crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.553 was not provided by any .service files" [Undecided,New] [05:44] http://paste2.org/p/1579931 [05:44] didrocks, Yeah that one. [05:44] hum, why? :/ [05:44] The same one that prevents software-centre from doing anything. [05:44] there is a service file… [05:45] I'm prepared to bet that there's not a service file providing the name :1.553 :) [05:45] RAOF_: so, if you run oneconf-query --update in a terminal, it crashes? [05:46] RAOF_: well, I'm using the well-known name [05:46] Yup. [05:46] * didrocks needs to update [05:46] Software-centre and oneconf-service also crash, let me check oneconf-service's backtrace. [05:46] maybe ubuntu sso or whatever [05:46] RAOF_: can you try to start the daemon? [05:47] /usr/share/oneconf/oneconf-service --debug [05:47] http://paste2.org/p/1579939 [05:47] ahah! [05:48] RAOF_: your ~/.cache/oneconf/ is empty, isn't it? [05:48] GARGHHIDNOUHOE. [05:48] do you have a weird wallpaper? :p [05:48] The new alt-tab is pessimised for alt tabbing between IRC and terminals. [05:49] ~/.cache/oneconf/f65e1b8095aec451664adc810222b3e7 is an empty directory. [05:50] ok, it seems it doesn't like your wallpaper :) [05:50] what are you using? :) [05:50] The.. thingy. [05:50] Um, one of the standard ones. [05:50] aweseome, I bet it's a lying png which is jpeg or the contrary [05:50] * didrocks adds debug, one sec [05:50] Oh, it's the contest one. [05:51] Which is a *set* of images, which changes over time. [05:51] So the setting probably doesn't point to an image at all, it probably points to some XML. [05:52] RAOF_: ok, make sense [05:52] RAOF_: uno memento, I'll ignore it in that case! [05:54] I see that the design team never feel the need to alt-tab between IRC and a specific terminal, while having multiple terminals open. [05:55] RAOF_: I raised the point some weeks ago [05:57] That behaviour must change. [05:58] Gah. It also doesn't always get stacking/focus right. Sometimes it the window it raises doesn't have focus. [05:58] RAOF_: that was already the case, isn't it? [05:58] RAOF_: IIRC, it's a compiz issue [05:59] I don't recall running into it with the classic alt-tab. [05:59] sorry, dist-upgrade here, computer slow as here for writing on disk ;) [05:59] Possibly because the new alt-tab is trying to raise two terminals, and give focus to one of them. [05:59] I want to change my wallpaper before sending you the patch [05:59] Actually, strike that. [05:59] Compiz *deterministically* gives focus to the terminal *behind* the forground terminal. [06:00] That's suboptimal :) [06:00] WIN [06:00] RAOF_: time to ping smspillaz? ;) [06:00] sorry, did I say that out loud ? [06:00] smspillaz, WE SUMMON YOU! [06:03] That behaviour is no less annoying once you've identified it :/ [06:03] * RAOF_ restarts to move this system into the office. [06:05] RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/663984/ if you want to try to cure your host :) [06:05] RAOF: apply it to /usr/share/oneconf/oneconf/hosts.py of course ;) [06:08] you know, if you ping me, bad things happen [06:16] RAOF: FYI, OneConf fix uplaoded, thanks :-) [06:20] didrocks: hey if you're not too busy piloting, would you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/ghex/ghex-2.90/+merge/71153 [06:36] Man, I'm totally awesome. Can I get compiz into a state where it won't draw anything but the lowermost window? Of course I can! [06:37] RAOF_: steps to reproduce ? [06:37] RAOF_: in case you didn't get the message I sent there to your evil twin, fix for oneconf is uploaded [06:37] * smspillaz is somewhat flooded with other stuff at the moment [06:37] smspillaz, Seems like enabling a bunch of plugins will do it. [06:37] RAOF_: don't enable plugins while unity is loaded [06:38] bad things will happen [06:38] smspillaz, Given my experience with the most recent compiz upload, I can imagine :) [06:38] smspillaz, Yeah, I've noticed. But after compiz crashes, restarting it doesn't fix it either. [06:38] RAOF_: exactly, bad things will happen [06:38] unity can't be unloaded [06:38] Ok. Scratch that bug, then. [06:38] loading other plugins will unload unity [06:38] and then reload it [06:39] But that breaks compiz *across restarts*? [06:39] RAOF_: don't worry, I have a million bugs for nouveau anyways [06:39] RAOF_: if it crashes while its unreparenting windows things get wonky [06:39] jbicha: looking, waow dropping a lot of stuff! :) [06:39] That breaks things across *X server restarts*? :) [06:40] RAOF_: sounds like a bug in your applications [06:40] compiz doesn't keep state across X restarts [06:40] Unless the set of plugins I've got loaded breaks compiz. [06:40] post your config ? [06:41] jbicha: is debian doing the same change? We generally avoid changing the packaging system if they didn't yet [06:41] What do you need for that? [06:41] to see what plugins you have ? [06:41] smspillaz, Yeah. [06:42] smspillaz, You know what? How about I file a bug and let the apport hook do that work for me. [06:42] didrocks: seb128 is the maintainer, maybe I should ask him? lol [06:42] the chances of me looking at the bug are extremely low [06:43] RAOF_: your bug is valuable and has been added to my queue [06:43] please hold [06:43] jbicha: him, I think it's years he didn't update something in debian :-) [06:43] smspillaz, But I'll point you at the logs, which should contain my config, right?\ [06:43] yes [06:43] jbicha: you should ask on #debian-gnome, try to ping pochu [06:43] jbicha: OFTC network [06:43] but like I said, I probably don't have time to look into it [06:43] jbicha: otherwise, seems a nice work, you are working on updating nemiver? [06:43] didrocks: hmm, you mean seb128 doesn't upload directly to debian these days? [06:45] jbicha: debian-changes ML seems to tell so. I think he just append some changes in the debian-gnome vcs [06:45] didrocks: nemiver seems up to date [06:45] I'll try #debian-gnome [06:46] jbicha: does it build against your new package with the ABI bump? [06:46] jbicha: when you bump a soname, you have to check rdepends ;) [06:46] oh, let me see [06:46] otherwise, nemiver will dep on a libray we can't rebuild [06:46] and the old binary package will be NBS [06:46] right, I assumed there were no depends and forgot to check [06:47] maybe a rebuild of nemiver is enough if the API didn't change [06:47] upstream was talking like they intentionally wanted people to be able to run the gtk2 & gtk3 versions at the same time [06:48] with the 2 different libraries but I think I'd rather avoid that if it's not needed [06:48] jbicha: agreed, but that means that nemiver needs to work with gtk3 [06:50] ah, nemiver's last git commit from 5 days ago is supposed to provide ghex 2.90 compliance [06:51] jbicha: should we maybe wait for next nemiver release then? or do you want to take a snapshot? [06:53] I guess it depends on how long nemiver will take to do a normal release [06:54] jbicha: anyway, I think it's better to avoid having more NBS, if you are ok, I'll pend the ghex sponsor on that [06:55] jbicha: next Monday is the next GNOME release, so maybe you will have a tarball there ;) [06:55] does it make sense? [06:55] didrocks: yes, I agree [06:56] jbicha: great, please note that I'm on holidays for the next two weeks, I'm setting the branch as WIP for now. It builds fine and works well though :) [06:56] thanks a lot for working on this ;) [06:57] didrocks: have a good holiday! [06:57] jbicha: hoping that! :-) [07:02] Ok. unity --reset gets me back to something that actually draws windows, but it seems to have got the stacking code utterly confused. [07:02] Time to restart! [07:03] morning [07:03] hey rodrigo_ [07:03] hey didrocks, rodrigo_ how are you guys this morning? [07:03] hi didrocks, rickspencer3 [07:05] good morning rickspencer3! I'm fine thanks :-) you? [07:06] didrocks, I had madelines for breakfast, so really, in the scheme of things, I'm dong pretty well ;) [07:08] rickspencer3: ahah, seems pretty easy to satisfy! :) [07:09] What determines the background colour of the new alt-tab switcher? [07:09] Because it can sometimes pick white, and then use white text. [07:09] RAOF_: the same code that take it wrong in the dash :) [07:10] RAOF_: the green backport is yellow, isn't it? [07:10] The green backport? [07:11] background* [07:13] I still don't understand. My desktop wallpaper is predominantly green, and my dash/alt-tab background is white. [07:13] I have no idea where it picks that colour from, only that it changes every now and then. [07:15] RAOF_: I have yellow! :) [07:15] RAOF_: I'll ping gord anyway, I have a test case for him :) [07:16] Good morning [07:16] Hey pitti [07:17] hey pitti! [07:18] hey RAOF_, how are you? [07:19] didrocks: bonjour! travel was alright? [07:19] pitti, Good. Looking forward to a sleep in tomorrow! [07:20] pitti: travel was unsurprising indeed, had to jump from a power plug to another to be able to package unity and all the fuzz, but all went more or less smoothly ;) [07:20] pitti: you? how was the train? :) [07:20] RAOF_: heh, FF took its toll, I guess [07:20] didrocks: I'm still at the hackfest in Berlin, going back this evening [07:21] didrocks: nice job! [07:21] Actually, X has been quite civilised this time; all our major stuff landed well before FF. [07:21] * pitti currently downloading 200 MB of nightly updates, including the new unity goodness [07:21] * RAOF_ notes that "goodness" might need some disclaimers. [07:21] pitti: oh right! how is it btw? stil good progress? :) [07:22] didrocks: bit of a setback yesterday; I had a working patch acked by two other people, but David didn't like it, so I need to re-do it now [07:22] but still good progress [07:22] last night we went to a nice Fondue dinner with all the guys [07:22] oh great! [07:22] (yeah, while you guys were sweating for FF -- I felt a bit guilty!) [07:22] pitti: heh, you entirely deserve some rests ;) [07:23] rest* [07:32] hi pitti [07:37] didrocks: I had the bright yellow background briefly, it was horrible [07:38] jbicha: well, at least, it picks now the background :) wasn't the case in the tarball [07:38] it was like that same crazy gold for the snap feature [07:38] Mmm. This slightly-brown grey is pretty good. [07:38] but I'll definitively ping gord [07:38] Maybe they're just checking to see what colours people protest about? :) [07:39] haha, let's try this colour! [07:40] didrocks, none of my lenses work since upgrading :( [07:40] they're all empty [07:41] The API changed, so everything's broken. [07:41] chrisccoulson: check scrollback from a couple hours ago :) [07:43] chrisccoulson: empty by default [07:43] chrisccoulson: make a search [07:43] empty it [07:43] should work, isn't it? [07:43] didrocks, yeah, that worked. thanks [07:43] that's not by design is it? [07:44] also, compiz lost my workspace settings :( [07:44] chrisccoulson: no, "known bug in the FF rush" [07:44] heh [07:44] chrisccoulson: did you --reset? [07:44] i understand ;) [07:44] didrocks, no, i didn't do --reset [07:44] waow, concerning… [07:44] but my number of workspaces reset back to 4 after the upgrade [07:44] nothing changed there [07:44] (from 6) [07:44] the compiz upload is just about removing the new alt + tab, (and people have to --reset to see it) [07:45] oh, nice. we have the new switcher by default now :) [07:45] this one is so much nicer than the old one [07:45] chrisccoulson, Use it for a while and you might disagree :( [07:45] Having said that, press the button while alt-tabbing for more fun! [07:46] RAOF_ - i found the old one pretty much useless, especially when switching between a browser window and text editor whose contents look the same in a thumbnail ;) [07:46] oh, the down arrow is pretty cool [07:47] a bit obscure though ;) [07:47] chrisccoulson, Have two terminals and try switching between IRC and one of those terminals. [07:47] yeah, that's a bit of a pain [07:47] For bonus points, make both of those terminals fullscreen [07:47] I don't think the down arrow works right with the crazy compiz keyboard shortcuts [07:48] I wish the title for all open windows would show in alt-tab, I like to browse verbally & visually at the same time [07:57] it's a little confusing that the top-left corner now closes my window rather than opens the dash [07:57] that's going to cause some accidents whilst i relearn ;) [07:58] chrisccoulson: I wonder if they might revert that if too many people can't handle that behavior changing [07:59] jbicha, i'm sure people can handle it, it's just that the learning process is a destructive one ;) [08:02] hey desktopers [08:02] how is everybody? [08:02] how is oneiric? how much did we break yesterday? ;-) [08:03] Lots! [08:03] hey seb128 [08:03] bonjour seb128 [08:03] hey chrisccoulson [08:03] * pitti hasn't restarted after this morning's dist-upgrade yet [08:03] RAOF: excellent, today will not be boring at least! ;-) [08:04] can I? [08:04] heh [08:04] hey rickspencer3 [08:04] hey rickspencer3 pitti [08:04] * rickspencer3 goes to test on USB key [08:04] pitti, I will update my 10v first :p [08:05] hi pitti, how are you? [08:05] chrisccoulson: hacking furiously on g-i and pygobject :) [08:05] pitti - nice :) [08:05] didrocks, is it normal that the window buttons in the panel are themed incorrectly? [08:05] or should i report that? :) [08:06] oh, and the workspace switcher animation is broken :( [08:06] * chrisccoulson hugs didrocks [08:06] chrisccoulson, Works here? [08:06] i keep bringing you problems ;) [08:06] Bug #825036 and bug #825029 don't work here, though :) [08:06] Launchpad bug 825036 in unity "Switching behaviour to a group is awkward" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825036 [08:06] Launchpad bug 825029 in unity "When alt-tabbing to an application with multiple windows the focused window is not raised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825029 [08:06] hey chrisccoulson [08:06] RAOF_ - my animation appears briefly and then the thumbnails disappear, and the workspaces appear empty [08:07] hi seb128 [08:07] jibel seems to have been on a testing round [08:07] he filed quite some bugs already [08:07] chrisccoulson, Oh, yeah! I swung around fast enough to not notice that! [08:07] i'll have a look and make sure he didn't already report my bugs [08:07] i'm getting quite a list ;) [08:08] need to run some urgent errands, so will be out for 2 hours or so, hopefully no more than that [08:08] so, bbl [08:09] seb128, not testing just using, even if the word "using" is not really appropriate this morning [08:09] jibel, so seems like I should not upgrade ;-) [08:09] rodrigo__: ok, see you [08:09] hey seb128 [08:10] seb128, hi and yes, see you in a bit [08:10] hey rodrigo__ ;-) [08:10] * rodrigo__ leaves [08:10] bye [08:10] seb128, if you use a single workspace, don't switch between apps and your graphics card is not intel, that's fine ;-) [08:10] jibel, ok [08:10] well I use several workspaces and applications on intel :p [08:11] so let's upgrade the 10v first [08:11] Or, alternatively have a really modern intel GPU. [08:11] I need to get work done today [08:11] well that box is an i5 and the gpu which comes with it [08:11] (My SandyBridge performance is still perfectly fine) [08:12] we should force half of dx to work on intel ;-) [08:14] g'ah, the launcher keeps appearing under windows [08:14] or at least i think that's where it is [08:15] the dash seems to appear underneath windows too :/ [08:15] Yeah, it's done that for me. [08:15] And alt-tab, too. [08:15] bouh, trying tb again [08:15] We've got a new and exciting set of stacking bugs. [08:15] the indicator indicators 204 emails in my unity box where the tb folders list indicates 109 [08:15] chrisccoulson, ^ is there any way to get useful infos for such bugs? [08:17] Ah. I see that unity still punishes those with the temerity to try to change the volume with indicator-sound. [08:22] RAOF_: you mean that the menu disappears once you click on the slider? [08:23] it tends to segfault the indicator and the unitypanel with it [08:28] mvo, hey ;-) [08:29] didrocks, is update manager packages installation working for you? [08:30]