[02:14] ooo, just found out reprap has an irc channel here on freenode :) [06:06] Morning [06:58] o/ [07:02] morning all [07:06] * daubers needs to acquire the last few oggcamp bits today [07:31] Morning earth dwellers. [07:42] TheOpenSourcerer: morning, mr Martian man [07:43] We are Alan. [08:10] popey: https://github.com/busyloop/lolcat === seeker_ is now known as seeker [08:26] Morning all [08:32] English fry-up for brekkie \o/ [08:33] Myrtti: share with me? [08:33] I can't promise anything on behalf of my mum-in-law-candidate :-> [08:40] just read about the nokia n9 not being sold in most countries [08:40] anyone have preferred software for drawing a network diagram on ubuntu? [08:42] rdesktop [08:43] templates for dia and kivio seem to be rather lacking, making th eprograms pointless [08:44] pencil plugin for firefox looks ok though [08:44] oimon: some sources claim that the status of the device is that the vendors themself decide will they carry them or not [08:44] so it may end up being sold in UK anyway... *shrug* [08:46] Myrtti: either way, sounds even more like meego is not compatible with the new MS friends. maybe MS should just take them over completely and be done with it [08:47] oimon: that's what Nokia is said to be doing in US [08:47] oimon: rdesktop - what windows/osx program would you recommend? [08:48] oimon: then again the whole discussion about the future of Nokia tends to depress me deeply [08:49] andylockran: visio is the best program i have used for drawing my own network diags (not automatically generated) [08:49] andylockran: it's very pricey nowadays though, and not even part of MS office :( [08:50] morning all [09:01] just noticed the new dash changes in oneiric today [09:02] http://i.imgur.com/tyE0I.png [09:08] ewwww [09:08] 1280x1024 === gord_ is now known as gord [09:10] anyone mind if I take a screen capture of this channel for the last 15 mins? [09:10] popey: 1280x1024 rocks!!! [09:12] wintellect: its a horrid resolution [09:13] 1280x1024 is the correct screen resolution for my current monitor, but the nvidia-96 driver is broken, and the open source driver(s) don't work :/ [09:13] popey: you resolution snob :) [09:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vector_Video_Standards5.svg [09:14] look at the red ones [09:14] duff aspect ratio [09:14] 5:4 [09:15] it's the natural resolution of most 17 inch monitors [09:15] \o/ CGA! [09:15] I have owned a few 17" monitors and never have owned one at that resolution [09:16] I have a 17" and that's its res [09:16] NTM - why would I want less pixels when doing work? [09:17] I didnt say less pixels [09:17] I want square pixels [09:17] I want circlular pixels :( [09:17] heh [09:17] WXGA 1280x768 is the most ideal in theory, since it is closest to the golden ratio of aesthetics [09:18] 2560x1600 is acceptable too [09:18] I installed a bajillion updates last night on 11.10, and now when I try to log in it says "Failed to load session "Ubuntu". Is there a fix? [09:18] Jimbo666: → #ubuntu+1 [09:19] ??? [09:19] #ubuntu+1 is a good channel to get support for 11.10 [09:20] Ah ok, I'll try there ;-) [09:21] the files+folders launcher button and the applications one is also gone from teh launcher now [09:22] ooo [09:22] i wonder what aspect ratio our eyes see in? [09:23] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_aspect_ratio_of_the_human_eye_sight [09:27] which is strange because cinema widescreen is a similar ratio, and feels too wide [09:28] sit further back? [09:29] mmmm bacon [09:30] mentioning bacon when i don't have bacon is mean =\ [09:31] Mmmm, bacon [09:31] There's a pack in the freezer. Ho hum [09:47] just refreshed my memory about Marmite. It is still horrible [09:47] Myrtti: heh it is indeed [09:47] the smell is awful [09:48] I kinda wish it didn't taste so bad [09:48] it's a bit like cod liver oil, I can see the benefits of eating it, but I just can't [09:49] ah, nearly lunchtime... ;-) [09:56] marmite thinly spread on toasted white bread is *lovely* [09:56] and if you run out, you can always use earwax as a replacement [09:59] oimon: I agree, marmite rules [10:01] marmite is just wrong [10:01] is it better or worse than vegemite? ;-) [10:04] good morning everyone. [10:04] i saw a film called scanner darkly the other day..anyone seen it? [10:04] * Zyzle has [10:05] Philip K Dick book, I think of the same name, haven't read it though [10:05] a weird nothing of a film. technically interesting for the rotorscoping factor, but didn't do anything with the story [10:06] i persisted with it in case something happened, ..nothing did [10:08] Yeah, struck me as a story that could have been told in half the time [10:08] i generally liked it though [10:17] morning all [10:17] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [10:19] czajkowski: popey: I would like you to say hello to everyone for me please have a great time and I hope everything goes off with no hitches incase I don't remember to say it after :) [10:31] AlanBell, Daviey, ping: why does my name not show up in "event contact" when adding an event to the UK team's loco page? [10:34] aquarius: NFI. [10:34] grr, you can't submit an event without a team contact, and I don't know why I'm not in the team contacts list :( [10:35] Daviey, who would know? holbach seems to be on holiday :( [10:35] aquarius: I thought we made it so anyone could submit an event now. [10:35] perhaps -- I'm a team member anyway [10:35] but you have to specify a contact person for the event [10:35] aquarius: Ask in #ubuntu-locoteams , mhall is a good first contact for HELP. [10:35] and you have to choose them from a ist [10:35] list [10:35] and I'm not on the list [10:36] Daviey, do you mind if I put you down as contact for the event for now? So I can submit it at least [10:36] I doubt there'll be any questions, but if there are just refer them to me :) [10:36] aquarius: Probably better to put AlanBell, he is the team leader now. [10:36] oh yeah, I forgot that! [10:36] AlanBell, ^ :) [10:43] \o/ marmite [10:44] * TheOpenSourcerer ponders going to the shops for meat and beer. [10:45] mmmmm meat and beer [10:45] i used to dislike marmite until one day while on a shift that started at 6.30am, my boss came in at 9.30 with marmite on toast. i had been slaving for hours and was starving. i was suddenly converted in an instant [10:46] Those of you who are Mancunians, or nearby: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1144/detail/ :-) [10:49] how to make history appear above search results in the chromium "awesome bar"? [10:58] anyone know how you run screenshot via the command line? [11:00] czajkowski: have you checked the menu entry? [11:00] gnome-screenshot [11:00] just need to figure out a time delay [11:00] gnome-screenshot maybe? [11:01] gnome-screenshot -d delay [11:01] check the manpage [11:01] gnome-screenshot --help [11:02] gnome-screenshot -d 5 :) [11:02] thanks [11:04] sleep 5; gnome-screenshot ? [11:05] np [11:06] -i [11:06] czajkowski: i had to do it about 10 mins ago on mumbuntu [11:06] gnome-screenshot -i [11:08] AlanBell: Ping [11:16] [Stuart Langridge] App developer evening in Manchester for Ubuntu One - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/08/12/app-developer-evening-in-manchester-for-ubuntu-one [11:17] ugh google plus is adding games, ruining google plus for those of us that don't want inane "i got something in mafia whatever!" spam [11:18] i saw someone say "If you ask me to join your games, I'll block you" [11:18] hopefully they will do it properly, and will restrict those updates to a game stream [11:19] When was the last time someone heaerd from AlanBell? [11:19] well those games really only thrived on facebook because of the spam, the spam got others playing, otherwise they would of been no more popular than [11:19] benonsoftware: 3 seconds ago [11:19] popey: Really? [11:20] and thus the curious case of the missing AlanBell was solved [11:20] Well done chaps :) [11:20] *slam* case closed [11:20] I've been in here for 15 min [11:20] benonsoftware: I suspect he's a bit busy [11:21] popey: ok if you see him before I do tel him that I need help with his bot [11:21] mootbot? [11:21] I will see him this evening and for most of the rest of the weekend [11:21] popey: Yeah hes version [11:21] but we shall mostly be drinking beer and falling over [11:21] popey: We can't get voting to work :( [11:21] so I suspect discussion of bots will be low on the agenda :D [11:22] benonsoftware: I heard from me quite recently [11:22] Me too [11:22] found him! [11:22] s-fox: you coming to oggcamp? :D [11:22] Case solved... again [11:22] popey: you may have already been approached about this but i was wondering if you might be able to help with promoting th Ubuntu Application Program evening at Manchester Metropolitan University in the UK [11:22] :) [11:22] benonsoftware: in which channel? [11:22] duanedesign: I have not, but can [11:22] AlanBell: Oh I thanks ##benny [11:23] popey, No, the travel costs are a bit much for me. Still recovering financially from my activities in Japan. [11:24] popey: it is our first event and its success or lack of will determin the future of the program. Some thin we would like to see flourish [11:24] popey: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1053 [11:25] popey: thank you for any help you can provide. Be sure to have people register do we know what kind os swag to bring :) [11:26] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1144/detail/ [11:27] aquarius: added it to the LD [11:29] duanedesign: yes, this stuff is exactly the kind of thing we want canonical to use the LoCo for [11:30] czajkowski, er? [11:31] duanedesign, way ahead of you, pal :) [11:31] czajkowski, I added it, didn't I? [11:31] aquarius: you did [11:31] that's what I said [11:31] 12:27 < czajkowski> aquarius: added it to the LD [11:31] czajkowski, ah, right, got it :) [11:32] :) [11:32] you might want to contact LUGs nearby? [11:32] and maybe send a mail to the uk mailing list [11:33] and the manchester free software group [11:33] BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH [11:33] * Lcawte wonders how many developery like folk are in here [11:34] Lcawte: it varies [11:34] bigcalm: when you arriving? [11:34] or indeed.. leaving [11:35] aquarius: drat, foiled again [11:35] gord: with the new unity from today how you meant to get it too appear? I have fullscreen FF and it just will not appear unless I hit the windows button [11:35] app launcher [11:36] duanedesign, more publicity is always good :) [11:36] aquarius: i a looking at some other potions [11:36] options* [11:36] popey, yeah, that's what I'm doing now -- pinging various dev groups -- phpnw, androiddev, manchester geekup, you guys -- not sure Manchester free software group will go for it :) [11:37] aquarius: i definitely want the event to be a success [11:38] duanedesign, you're coming, right? OK's not that far away ;-) [11:39] popey: just about to have lunch and then we're on the road [11:40] cool [11:40] 3 hour drive, but we'll stop once or twice along the way [11:41] M5/M4 route fyi [11:41] have emailed the UK list [11:47] And we're off. See you kids later :) [11:48] *sigh* [12:20] Myrtti: what's up ? been in england 1 day and already fed up? [12:23] oimon: no, just somewhat tired [12:23] UK has that effect on me too [12:30] whoo talk all done :) [12:33] whoo BBQ ready to rock [12:34] davmor2, how did you get it to appear with fullscreen firefox before? unity doesn't show over fullscreen windows because that would get annoying, fast [12:34] like if you were playing a game or something [12:35] gord: fullscreen as in attached to the title bar and using the full width [12:36] gord: Maximise not full screen I couldn't think of the word [12:36] * czajkowski pokes davmor2 [12:36] davmor2, ah, you should be able to push against the left like normal, if not thats a bug, i don't use auto-hide so i'm not sure [12:37] not a fan of the removal of the bfb myself, but i don't get to design unity :) [12:37] actually unity does show over full screen windows [12:37] it only hides from maximized ones [12:37] and yes, when i'm playing a game, it does get annoying [12:37] and also, yes, the bug has been reported (multiple times) [12:39] gord: it seems to be fixed now that I've revealed it once or twice using the super key so I'm guessing just a glitch [12:41] I'm not sure if I can make oggcamp now :( [12:41] HazRPG: why? [12:42] MartijnVdS: Haven't been paid for the project I finished yet :/ [12:42] my bank balance is currently low... and the next project I'm doing is looking at a weekend deadline [12:43] aww [12:43] (not that I'm going, as I'm going to YAPC::EU in Riga) [12:43] http://yapceurope.lv/ye2011/ [12:43] awww just found pics I'd forgotten I'd taken [12:44] I can afford to get down... (and back possibly)... however when I'll be living off tinned food until I get paid lol [12:44] when I get back* [12:45] bah [12:46] think it's a rip off that I can get from cumbria to london Euston (return) for £39, however from Cumbria to Farnham (which I have to do a changeover at Euston) costs £109 when the bulk of the journey is to get to Euston in the first place [12:46] (this is on the train btw) [12:47] HazRPG: Buy a separate ticket? An off-peak return from Farnham to Waterloo is about £20 IIRC [12:48] TheOpenSourcerer: seriously? [12:48] I've gotta check this out [12:50] A single is £13.50 [12:50] HazRPG, it's cheaper for me to buy an all-zone off-peak travelcard from banbury to london marylebone than a return ticket from banbury to london marylebone [12:50] in both cases it's cheaper to buy a return to paddington, via a change at reading rather than the direct marylebone train [12:53] ah, foo... if I'd booked it earlier in the week it would have been £39... seems it costs £97.30 now... trains make no sense to me :/ [12:55] HazRPG, much easier to understand than US airline prices [12:58] HazRPG: car share? [12:59] oimon: I was going to pick someone up half-way down, but he's not going anymore now [12:59] shame [13:01] he's not feeling well, so I can understand why really [13:03] I posted on G+ & facebook my route and asked if anyone lived anywhere near those lines needing a lift, but no responses [13:04] its about £99.11 (according to ye ol' faithful maths and this site: http://www.fuel-economy.co.uk/calc.shtml) for fuel there and back in my car, and obviously if I was car sharing... that would go down per extra dude in the car [13:05] I was hoping one of my friends could come along, but most work weekends, which sucks [13:07] cumbria, the open source wasteland .. [13:11] yup, sadly :( [13:11] it'll be worse when I decide to move to Egypt at the end of the year lol [13:12] :-\ all the more reason to come to oggcamp2011 [13:12] ;) [13:12] oimon: also, you've got that partly wrong, its more like "cumbria, the wasteland for anything a hobbyist desires" [13:12] seems any hobby I take up, cumbria is the worst place to get started with it... [13:13] Cumbria, Hobbit wasteland? :P [13:13] MartijnVdS: haha [13:14] my friends got me into MTG a good few years back, and well its all great and well playing with friends... but when you can only buy cards online... it's a pain... and when you want to play with others when friends aren't free or available... the nearest place is like manchester (esp. if your fancying friendly-tournament type stuff) [13:16] the guy who ran the tournaments in Manchester showed us like a map of all the places where judges were available, and there was a massive black hole around the cumbria north-west/north-east region [13:17] safe to say... that's a hobby I don't do anymore as a result (that and something like that is a novelty at first, and just gets boring after a while - for me at least) [13:18] oimon: When I go over to Egypt, I'm tempted to try and spark up open-source interest over there... I mean I've already got most of my family going "hmm" since I showed them ubuntu on my laptop over the last year or so [13:18] what do they use right now? [13:18] everyone, and I mean everyone, I know in Egypt still uses XP [13:19] when they buy a new computer/laptop... they'd rather the hassle of downgrading it to XP then to keep vista/7 on it [13:19] HazRPG: time to switch them to Ubuntu [13:20] i tend to think KDE is a better match for people used to Win7 [13:20] oimon: it's just as crashy? [13:20] no lol, just the UI [13:20] very similar layour [13:20] I find it very Unity-like [13:21] MartijnVdS: Heh, I switched my aunt to it last time I was there in May/June... she loved the fact that it supported arabic better than windows did - she was a bit shocked to see that most applications had arabic names, she found it a bit odd at first, but within about half hr of messing around with it she started using it faster than she used her XP machine [13:21] i loaded up the knoppix livecd the other day, surprised to see he's switched to lxde..i thought it felt like kde [13:22] I must say though, she wasn't use to the jargon used in the arabic language though... [13:22] apparently windows uses friendly words then ubuntu does [13:23] so when I go over, I might spend some time with her and the language pages and try and see if we can get better translations pointing to it [13:23] (er launchpad translation pages*) [13:28] Urgh, I never liked configuring dns servers [13:28] daubers: I don't think most people do :P [13:28] * daubers ponders stealing the config from somewhere else and changing it to fit [13:29] daubers: welcome to the interwebs \o/ [13:29] we has everything you need - or the best part of everything! [13:29] HazRPG: I'm only doing this so I can set up a local mirror for someone at oggcamp tomorrow without them having to change any sources.list stuff [13:31] daubers, what mirror are you setting up *buntu only ? [13:31] diplo: Due to bandwidth constraints, yeah [13:31] diplo: Have grabbed *buntu and fedora iso images too [13:32] Oooh, want to set up my own repo at work, so you are the man to harass If i get stuck next week then?!?! :) [13:32] diplo: Uhh... no :) [13:32] heh [13:32] diplo: I just used apt-mirror [13:32] I've found a site that has a repo for php5.3 for CentOS 4, never created a mirror before, hoping to have fun learning next week [13:33] Want to cover my arse in case this repo disappears [13:33] diplo: u making a centos or ubuntu one? [13:33] Cent, just saw you mention fedora [13:33] :) [13:33] i use local centos mirrors at work [13:34] and a custom local repo for custom built apps [13:34] ooh, is it easy oimon ? [13:34] yes :) [13:34] I want/need to do both, not read up on it yet [13:34] Meaning to do it for weeks [13:35] Did you have a good tutorial ? [13:35] for the local custom repo, i used to create an rpm file with all the yum repo config [13:35] now i'm using puppet more [13:36] Do you just rsync the mirror from the web ? [13:37] for the mirror, yes [13:37] and for my users, i use a custom repo config (sent via puppet) that refers to the local mirror instead of the upstream one [13:37] Better have a tinker then [13:37] cos i have 150 machines doing a yum update each night [13:38] not much work req'd for mirror. centos wiki has some info though [13:38] local custom repo you need to run the createrepo command each time you pop a rpm in. mirror don't require it because the source has done that already [13:40] I don't want official repo, atomicorp.com [13:40] Will tinker all the same though thhanks [13:42] this sounds relevant to my interests ... [13:43] I think its daft how I have 3 machines downloading from the ubuntu repo for updates, would be better if I had a local cache/repo that they could all just grab from [13:44] i used to run something on my server that cached apt [13:44] squid-deb-proxy is the way forward [13:44] AlanBell: ah yeah, I heard about that [13:44] \o/ fooled it [13:44] ah, apt-cacher is what it was called [13:44] daubers: ello cake man [13:45] someone say cake? [13:45] lies! [13:45] ^_^ [13:45] * davmor2 prods czajkowski just cause [13:46] * HazRPG runs around with arms flapping around in the air [13:46] just cause? [13:47] gord: pretty much [13:47] JAFFA CAKES nyommy [13:47] seriously? first talk of bacon now jaffa cakes? why must you people do this to me [13:48] gord: hmm? [13:48] gord: cause deep down we only exist to torture you [13:48] oh wow, dropbox now closes gracefully :D [13:49] i KNEW it ! [13:49] gord: I cudda said custard creams or jammy dodgers [13:49] no longer do I have to manually kill it :) [13:49] * MartijnVdS would like it if banshee stopped suiciding in me [13:49] on me [13:49] I hate BANSHEE! [13:49] gord: can I interest you with some Texas BBQ Sauce Pringles? [13:50] MartijnVdS: ?? [13:50] czajkowski: why? [13:50] give me rhythmbox any day [13:50] gord: well czajkowski was around, I had nothing specific to say to her so just a friendly prod to remind her I'm annoying :) [13:50] HazRPG: banshee randomly crashes about 3-4 times/day for me [13:50] over the last couple of months, I've started to like banshee over rhythmbox (aside from the fact that last.fm isn't free to stream radio on banshee :() [13:50] yup, i reinstalled rhythmbox a month or two ago [13:50] czajkowski: lo [13:51] MartijnVdS: really, what do you do with it? What version? I have mine running for days on end :) [13:51] HazRPG: the Natty version works fine, it's the Oneiric version that's broken, especially if I minimize it [13:52] I have no idea why anyone would use Banshee [13:52] MartijnVdS: Banshee 2.0 (2.0.1) [running off of maverick] [13:52] it's shite [13:52] * daubers needs to steal a big box of cat6 and 2 switches in a minute [13:52] czajkowski: I have ~10k songs. It's fast. [13:52] czajkowski, gord: +1 on hating banshee, I want to like it I really do but it just sucks the life from out of you [13:52] czajkowski: how so? [13:52] I just dont find it as user friendly as RB [13:52] I can never find my purchased songs from U1 [13:53] czajkowski: they're in the same list as all other songs.. it's one big library [13:53] czajkowski: Ah! I has a fix for that ;D [13:53] HazRPG: so do I, I don't use Banshee :) [13:54] i would love banshee if it worked, but it crashes, it plays random tracks, i do one thing it does another, so fine, rb works just fine for me [13:54] indeed [13:54] * daubers just uses spotify these days [13:54] czajkowski: I created a dynamic playlist, called "Bought Songs", and then under pick match "any" and then select "comments" + "contains" + type "7digital.com" sorted :) [13:55] so you had to hack it to get it to work [13:55] I also have "comments" + "contains" + "Amazon.com" but that's cos I've got a few things I've bought from them too [13:55] I just listen to dab radio which I found I was doing more and more on banshee and RB anyway [13:55] I want to click purchased songs and look there they are [13:55] davmor2: dab radio? on a PC? [13:55] davmor2: What kind of device do you use for that? [13:55] MartijnVdS: No I got a cheap dab radio [13:56] MartijnVdS: you can use a freeview tv card to do it though [13:56] czajkowski: well you could call it a hack, but I always organise my music via playlists anyway [13:56] davmor2: that's DVB, not DAB [13:56] czajkowski: also, my bought songs don't show up in "Purchased songs" in rhythmbox :( [13:56] MartijnVdS: it pulls in the dab radio stations too [13:57] MartijnVdS: at least in the UK any way [13:57] davmor2: Unlikely\ [13:57] davmor2: more likely that DAB radiostations are also on DVB :) [13:57] could be but they are all there [13:58] on a chrome download, right click > open folder = open gnome terminal [13:58] sense this makes none [13:58] Azelphur: sounds like you made a wrong association somewhere? [13:59] guess so \o/ [14:06] heh, seems someone else does the same thing I do: http://askubuntu.com/questions/34883/how-do-i-make-a-smart-playlist-of-my-purchased-music [14:09] which version of banshee you all using? [14:09] mine reports as being "Banshee 2.0 (2.0.1)" [14:09] i haven't got round to tidying the albums where every song got listed twice by a bug :( [14:09] HazRPG: same [14:10] oimon: I fixed that by making sure banshee was closed (kill it if it isn't), deleted the database file, rescanned my library [14:10] there's no fix for removing duplicate songs added by banshee :( [14:11] "fixed" :P [14:11] oimon: there is, it's just sqlite :) [14:11] exactly ^_^ [14:11] oimon: all you need is a cool SQL statement to remove everything with the same file path [14:11] it's easier to switch to clementine [14:11] you can either open up the file, or just delete and start again [14:11] oimon: but then you lose # of plays, rating, score, etc. [14:12] MartijnVdS: that assumes one uses those ;D [14:12] does anyone actually use that stuff? [14:12] don't care - half of the album covers aren't there either because banshee can't be bothered to do it properly [14:12] # of plays is nice [14:12] ali1234: nope [14:12] so I can play "unplayed songs" [14:12] but other than that.. not really [14:13] I don't hear the difference between "Random" and "Random by Score" for example [14:13] unplayed songs on my library are generally tracks belonging to the missis [14:13] and i want them to stay umplayed :) [14:13] who actually sits down and rates all their music? [14:13] haha [14:13] why don't you just delete anything with <5 stars? [14:13] currently setting disk quotas for a few hundred users..rather tedious [14:13] ali1234: Albums. I want whole albums available, but some songs > other songs [14:13] ali1234: I do when a song is playing and I have banshee open and the song that's playing I really like [14:14] only rating I use is 5 stars [14:14] heh [14:14] would be easier for it to simply say "like" or "love" for me [14:14] 5 = good , !5 = not good [14:14]