[00:10] I know I'm late to the javascript minification article party, but is there any instance of an AV vendor flagging JS because it's minified? [00:10] "As with compression in other contexts, compressing the same object twice or more does not make sense" [00:11] that seems to point to the author not understanding js minification at all [00:11] yea, part was him misunderstanding [00:11] but sounds like not minification, but packing would get it flagged [00:15] ok, I'd agree with obfuscators being stupid [00:16] but I imagine there aren't very many people that obfuscate/pack in order to reduce filesize. [00:22] well, closure compiler, yui compressor, etc [00:23] if you crank the settings up on there I wonder if they'd count/hit this [00:23] I mean, I've never run into it, but crazy to think that a user somewhere with some AV might block my site's JS because it's been cranked through yui compressor at full titlt [00:23] tilt* [00:28] hm, I'd consider closure compiler and yui compressor to be in the same basic family as jsmin - minifiers [00:28] though I suppose the distinction can be blurred [00:28] I guess I'll keep doing it until I hear about a problem with it; I imagine it'd be fairly big news. [00:29] yea, same here [00:29] it was more of a *hmm, hadn't thought of that* vs *OMG stop what you're doing!* [01:30] my little brother is installing natty - we'll see how this goes [01:32] are there any tricks to help him configure it? I remember it being fairly unconfigurable. [01:46] snap-l: Keith Jarrett - Sun Bear Concerts [01:53] Blazeix: There's a few out there. [01:53] http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity [01:54] jrwren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Jarrett#Idiosyncrasies [01:55] I've tried listening to his music, but man, that hurrrrr really doesn't work for me [01:55] haha. [01:55] i sometimes like it. [01:55] like one of his live at the bluenote sessions is great. [01:58] oh man... he sounds nutty. [01:58] but he is still an amazing musician [02:43] Yeah, he's a complete nutter. [11:15] TGIF!!!!! [11:51] it's Friday? [11:51] woot [11:52] better be or I'm going to have a fit [11:55] hm, the shop has been cut back to 32 hour weeks. might be time to dust off the old resume again [11:58] there are actually a lot of jobs in GR, but essentially none of them are python [12:02] GR always seems a .net shop to me for some reason [12:03] are you hourly though? [12:03] I'd assumed you'd be salary [12:03] i am [12:03] we're still under a 10% salary reduction started in 2008 [12:04] oh, ouch [12:04] still down 2 office people from layoffs at that time [12:04] GR is .net and ruby [12:06] then java [12:07] places like mutually human and atomic object are booming, busy, and hiring, but they're ruby [12:34] brousch: That sucks [12:34] re the hour reduction / salary cuts [12:37] brousch: Sorry to hear about the cutbacks. We were hit hard the last few years. [12:41] well the initial cutbacks are what got me out of the basement to socialize, so it's not all bad [12:44] you used to work in the basement? [12:44] did you get your red Swingline back, too? ;-) [12:49] i actually do have a red swingline, though it's dark red, not bright red [12:49] nice stapler [12:49] I have a red swingline on my desk [12:50] has a "Java Powered" sticker on it [12:52] you have to pour coffee on your stapler? [12:52] I mean, that's silly... but it makes more sense than you using Java intentionally. ;-) [12:53] one sec, and I will share all [12:54] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/IMG_0410.JPG [12:56] Wolfger: Is dropbox blocked? [13:01] speaking of Java Powered.... O'R's DotD :-) [13:02] snap-l: Dropbox is not blocked \o/ [13:07] Ah, yes... now I remember why I pretty much stopped reading Slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/08/12/0359230/Researchers-Make-Graphene-From-Girl-Scout-Cookies [13:09] But the poll is made for rick_h_ I think ;-) http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl [13:14] http://uploads.mitechie.com/lines_of_code.png [13:14] according to gitstats run on bookie which I was hacking on last night [13:14] oh, but I guess that should include work code as well...hmmm [13:16] LOL [13:16] so... the bottom option, as I suspected [13:17] naw, I think it's a bit crazy to have 1000s of lines of code in a 24 time period [13:17] though I do have a test for the new code in bookie last night and that counts as more LoC I'm sure [13:18] if you count lines of docs I might hit the "at least 500 less than 1000" I'd bet [13:18] I still can't believe anybody uses LoC as a metric [13:18] yea, exactly [13:18] kinda rewards inefficient people for being inefficient [13:19] "oh, I won't create a reusable object, I'll c&p this code 10 times. Wow am I ever productive!" [13:19] what is wrong with that? [13:20] I mean, any good dev knows using keyboard shortcuts is the greatest of ideals to hold to [13:20] ctrl-c, ctrl-v [13:20] what is wrong with c&p, or what is wrong with considering c&p more productive based on some arbitrary metric? [13:20] both [13:21] but i can't keep trolling. [13:21] :) [13:21] :-) [13:21] cuz you said metric [13:21] I tried to help jrwren :P [13:21] Hey, I use c&p a lot [13:21] but I'm not a very good coder [13:22] lol http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2011/08/12/careful-what-you-wish-for/ [13:23] that's awesome on a ton of levels, man [13:23] :-p [13:24] that bass-ackwards [13:24] instead of combining the best parts of both systems, they're taking the worst [13:24] "Here! It's apt, but it's slow!" [13:25] sorry. I'm humor deficient this morning. [13:25] * Wolfger goes to drink more coffee [13:29] Wolfger: Would you prefer to read that on reddit? "HEy guys, I was browsing the net for porn when I saw that scientists had made graphene from girl scout cookies. I abouot dropped my penis." [13:30] rick_h_: ZOPMG LOL!!! [13:30] if I had liquid in my mouth I'd ahve spit . [13:30] apt-gentoo LOLZ [13:30] jrwren: ok glad someone else appreciates it as much as I do [13:31] I was worried for a minute [13:31] i esp love the "slowly scroleld" [13:31] Oh that is awesome. [13:31] hahahaha [13:31] I must have it [13:31] i'm tempted by it too snap-l [13:31] are you going to install it? [13:31] this is the funniest thing since funrolloops [13:31] i'm looking at you jcastro [13:32] you know, a designer did say that you need to make it appear that the ssystem "did work" even if it takes ms to do an operation [13:38] rick_h_: no need to worry. It was amusing. I just had a cup of grumpy this morning. [13:38] Well, apparently the latest version of Google Chrome from the beta channel has problems [13:38] ruh roh [13:38] My sync foo isn't working [13:39] hmm, latest changes went all encrypted with all sync data [13:39] sync my cookies too damnit! [13:39] FF sync win [13:39] I'm thinking apt-gentoo has a future in Hollywood.... [13:39] jrwren: sync my extension too! FF sync fail [13:40] true [13:40] "we want to show him updating his computer. That's what it really looks like? Can you do something to slow it down and make it more verbose?" [13:40] Make it green screen [13:42] snap-l: I think Hollywood finally learned a few years ago that monitors aren't green anymore [13:56] Cool shirt - http://www.teefury.com [14:04] Yeah. I like some of the side art more, though. [14:05] Wolfger: I love grumpy-Os it's my favorite [14:06] ug, feeling old. i've moved into the 35-49 age bracket in a survey [14:06] <_stink_> take a salt tablet [14:08] brousch: Now your opinion no longer matters [14:08] i'm practically lumped in with my parents now [14:08] 18-34 <- taste makers [14:09] 35-49 <- Some taste [14:09] 49-65 <- Loosing taste [14:09] 65+ <- Needs salt. [14:25] brousch: you are old [14:28] snap-l: you are too old to believe that [14:29] he is just entering the age bracket at which lawmakers start caring about his opinion [14:29] In fact, your entire age bracket scenario is opposite :-) [14:30] Wolfger: Bullshit. ;) [14:32] You're assuming they care at all about our opinion [14:33] touche [14:34] hey if you get voted in to office for being a rampant douche` can you really expect them once in office to not be a rampant douche` [14:40] dammit, finally get to go see a movie and nothing good out [14:40] damn you hollywood! [14:41] rick_h_: Oh c'mon, there's plenty of movies out. [14:41] Like, um... [14:41] the smurfs! how did I miss the smurfs! [14:41] Of course! The sequel to Avatar [14:42] "on the other side of the universe...in a small small place... [14:48] snap-l-- [15:00] Well, this is cool. Firefox is crashing [15:01] and I can't start it back up [15:01] Apparently today is the day of weird crashes [15:01] on the plus side, my car is fixed. [15:01] so, woo hoo! [15:02] if we're really lucky, the check from progressive will be in the mailbox today. [15:06] party [16:17] http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/12/friday-time-waster-play-dos-games-in-your-chrome-browser/ [16:19] awesome [16:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-dqtfmIs2I [17:44] Picked up the car. Woo hoo! [18:00] \o/ [18:01] snap-l: a man with wheels yay [18:02] Yeah, it's used-car clean too [18:02] yea, I love when I take my car in for big work, always do a light detail on it for me :) [18:02] they didn't clean the cupholders, though [18:03] and they managed to lose the plastic cover that hangs out on the engine [18:03] no big deal, but will take it back over there to get it replaced. [18:23] I think somebody posted this Programmers question to Slashdot by mistake... http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/08/12/1433239/Ask-Slashdot-Am-I-Too-Old-To-Learn-New-Programming-Languages [18:24] *sigh* [18:24] If you have to ask... [18:28] heh, if you want to watch my boy get stabbed at the dr watch the news monday night [18:34] Oh joy [18:34] Which station? [18:36] wdiv? [18:36] not sure what local that is [18:36] but that video of her and getting Michael his immunizations is going to air during the 11pm news there I guess [18:44] Also, set cursorline is awesome. [18:44] Not sure I'd' have it as default, but it does come in handy. [18:45] be aware it's a big cause of laggyness [18:45] I used to use it all the time, but it's a perf hit [18:50] Yeah, but it's good for what I need it for [18:50] cool just an fyi [18:50] which is editing a list of items for my GTD. [18:51] there's lots of people on the list and such crying that ruby code highlight is slow, or other things [18:51] usually turns out to be cursorline [18:51] Yeah, if you're on a slow connection, any line-draw is going to be a drag. [18:51] it doesn't redraw the line though, vim works by whole screen [18:51] something like that, I read about it when I was having issues with it [18:52] if they're using curses, it'll be a pain regardless. [18:52] yea, anyway, big drag, but pretty and cool [18:52] curses tries to be efficient, but slow connections are still slow. [18:53] http://www.vendorclientvideo.com/ is kind of funny [18:53] Wolfger: should show that to his chrysler bosses :P [19:52] rick_h_: That video is awesome. [20:02] that made me laugh [20:02] its soooo true [21:15] funny but a bit one sided, we need clientvendorvideo.com I think. Show the cook buying that steak from outback and reselling it after adding some oregano. Charging maintenance on the meal too...