[00:10] <Blazeix> I know I'm late to the javascript minification article party, but is there any instance of an AV vendor flagging JS because it's minified?
[00:10] <Blazeix> "As with compression in other contexts, compressing the same object twice or more does not make sense"
[00:11] <Blazeix> that seems to point to the author not understanding js minification at all
[00:11] <rick_h_> yea, part was him misunderstanding
[00:11] <rick_h_> but sounds like not minification, but packing would get it flagged
[00:15] <Blazeix> ok, I'd agree with obfuscators being stupid
[00:16] <Blazeix> but I imagine there aren't very many people that obfuscate/pack in order to reduce filesize.
[00:22] <rick_h_> well, closure compiler, yui compressor, etc
[00:23] <rick_h_> if you crank the settings up on there I wonder if they'd count/hit this
[00:23] <rick_h_> I mean, I've never run into it, but crazy to think that a user somewhere with some AV might block my site's JS because it's been cranked through yui compressor at full titlt
[00:23] <rick_h_> tilt*
[00:28] <Blazeix> hm, I'd consider closure compiler and yui compressor to be in the same basic family as jsmin - minifiers
[00:28] <Blazeix> though I suppose the distinction can be blurred
[00:28] <Blazeix> I guess I'll keep doing it until I hear about a problem with it; I imagine it'd be fairly big news.
[00:29] <rick_h_> yea, same here
[00:29] <rick_h_> it was more of a *hmm, hadn't thought of that* vs *OMG stop what you're doing!*
[01:30] <Blazeix> my little brother is installing natty - we'll see how this goes
[01:32] <Blazeix> are there any tricks to help him configure it? I remember it being fairly unconfigurable.
[01:46] <jrwren> snap-l: Keith Jarrett - Sun Bear Concerts
[01:53] <snap-l> Blazeix: There's a few out there.
[01:53] <snap-l> http://askubuntu.com/questions/29553/how-can-i-configure-unity
[01:54] <snap-l> jrwren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Jarrett#Idiosyncrasies
[01:55] <snap-l> I've tried listening to his music, but man, that hurrrrr really doesn't work for me
[01:55] <jrwren> haha.
[01:55] <jrwren> i sometimes like it.
[01:55] <jrwren> like one of his live at the bluenote sessions is great.
[01:58] <jrwren> oh man... he sounds nutty.
[01:58] <jrwren> but he is still an amazing musician
[02:43] <snap-l> Yeah, he's a complete nutter.
[11:15] <rick_h_> TGIF!!!!!
[11:51] <Wolfger> it's Friday?
[11:51] <Wolfger> woot
[11:52] <rick_h_> better be or I'm going to have a fit
[11:55] <brousch> hm, the shop has been cut back to 32 hour weeks. might be time to dust off the old resume again
[11:58] <brousch> there are actually a lot of jobs in GR, but essentially none of them are python
[12:02] <rick_h_> GR always seems a .net shop to me for some reason
[12:03] <rick_h_> are you hourly though?
[12:03] <rick_h_> I'd assumed you'd be salary
[12:03] <brousch> i am
[12:03] <brousch> we're still under a 10% salary reduction started in 2008
[12:04] <rick_h_> oh, ouch
[12:04] <brousch> still down 2 office people from layoffs at that time
[12:04] <brousch> GR is .net and ruby
[12:06] <brousch> then java
[12:07] <brousch> places like mutually human and atomic object are booming, busy, and hiring, but they're ruby
[12:34] <snap-l> brousch: That sucks
[12:34] <snap-l> re the hour reduction / salary cuts
[12:37] <ptenhoopen> brousch:  Sorry to hear about the cutbacks.  We were hit hard the last few years.
[12:41] <brousch> well the initial cutbacks are what got me out of the basement to socialize, so it's not all bad
[12:44] <Wolfger> you used to work in the basement?
[12:44] <Wolfger> did you get your red Swingline back, too? ;-)
[12:49] <brousch> i actually do have a red swingline, though it's dark red, not bright red
[12:49] <brousch> nice stapler
[12:49] <snap-l> I have a red swingline on my desk
[12:50] <snap-l> has a "Java Powered" sticker on it
[12:52] <Wolfger> you have to pour coffee on your stapler?
[12:52] <Wolfger> I mean, that's silly... but it makes more sense than you using Java intentionally. ;-)
[12:53] <snap-l> one sec, and I will share all
[12:54] <snap-l> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/IMG_0410.JPG
[12:56] <snap-l> Wolfger: Is dropbox blocked?
[13:01] <Wolfger> speaking of Java Powered.... O'R's DotD :-)
[13:02] <Wolfger> snap-l: Dropbox is not blocked \o/
[13:07] <Wolfger> Ah, yes... now I remember why I pretty much stopped reading Slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/08/12/0359230/Researchers-Make-Graphene-From-Girl-Scout-Cookies
[13:09] <Wolfger> But the poll is made for rick_h_ I think ;-) http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl
[13:14] <rick_h_> http://uploads.mitechie.com/lines_of_code.png
[13:14] <rick_h_> according to gitstats run on bookie which I was hacking on last night
[13:14] <rick_h_> oh, but I guess that should include work code as well...hmmm
[13:16] <Wolfger> LOL
[13:16] <Wolfger> so... the bottom option, as I suspected
[13:17] <rick_h_> naw, I think it's a bit crazy to have 1000s of lines of code in a 24 time period
[13:17] <rick_h_> though I do have a test for the new code in bookie last night and that counts as more LoC I'm sure
[13:18] <rick_h_> if you count lines of docs I might hit the "at least 500 less than 1000" I'd bet
[13:18] <Wolfger> I still can't believe anybody uses LoC as a metric
[13:18] <rick_h_> yea, exactly
[13:18] <Wolfger> kinda rewards inefficient people for being inefficient
[13:19] <Wolfger> "oh, I won't create a reusable object, I'll c&p this code 10 times. Wow am I ever productive!"
[13:19] <jrwren> what is wrong with that?
[13:20] <rick_h_> I mean, any good dev knows using keyboard shortcuts is the greatest of ideals to hold to
[13:20] <rick_h_> ctrl-c, ctrl-v
[13:20] <Wolfger> what is wrong with c&p, or what is wrong with considering c&p more productive based on some arbitrary metric?
[13:20] <jrwren> both
[13:21] <jrwren> but i can't keep trolling.
[13:21] <jrwren> :)
[13:21] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:21] <jrwren> cuz you said metric
[13:21] <rick_h_> I tried to help jrwren :P
[13:21] <Wolfger> Hey, I use c&p a lot
[13:21] <Wolfger> but I'm not a very good coder
[13:22] <rick_h_> lol http://chris-lamb.co.uk/2011/08/12/careful-what-you-wish-for/
[13:23] <rick_h_> that's awesome on a ton of levels, man
[13:23] <Wolfger> :-p
[13:24] <Wolfger> that bass-ackwards
[13:24] <Wolfger> instead of combining the best parts of both systems, they're taking the worst
[13:24] <Wolfger> "Here! It's apt, but it's slow!"
[13:25] <Wolfger> sorry. I'm humor deficient this morning.
[13:25]  * Wolfger goes to drink more coffee
[13:29] <snap-l> Wolfger: Would you prefer to read that on reddit? "HEy guys, I was browsing the net for porn when I saw that scientists had made graphene from girl scout cookies. I abouot dropped my penis."
[13:30] <jrwren> rick_h_: ZOPMG LOL!!!
[13:30] <jrwren> if I had liquid in my mouth I'd ahve spit .
[13:30] <jrwren> apt-gentoo LOLZ
[13:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: ok glad someone else appreciates it as much as I do
[13:31] <rick_h_> I was worried for a minute
[13:31] <jrwren> i esp love the "slowly scroleld"
[13:31] <snap-l> Oh that is awesome.
[13:31] <jrwren> hahahaha
[13:31] <snap-l> I must have it
[13:31] <jrwren> i'm tempted by it too snap-l
[13:31] <jrwren> are you going to install it?
[13:31] <jrwren> this is the funniest thing since funrolloops
[13:31] <jrwren> i'm looking at you jcastro
[13:32] <rick_h_> you know, a designer did say that you need to make it appear that the ssystem "did work" even if it takes ms to do an operation
[13:38] <Wolfger> rick_h_: no need to worry. It was amusing. I just had a cup of grumpy this morning.
[13:38] <snap-l> Well, apparently the latest version of Google Chrome from the beta channel has problems
[13:38] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[13:38] <snap-l> My sync foo isn't working
[13:39] <rick_h_> hmm, latest changes went all encrypted with all sync data
[13:39] <jrwren> sync my cookies too damnit!
[13:39] <jrwren> FF sync win
[13:39] <Wolfger> I'm thinking apt-gentoo has a future in Hollywood....
[13:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: sync my extension too! FF sync fail
[13:40] <jrwren> true
[13:40] <Wolfger> "we want to show him updating his computer. That's what it really looks like? Can you do something to slow it down and make it more verbose?"
[13:40] <snap-l> Make it green screen
[13:42] <Wolfger> snap-l: I think Hollywood finally learned a few years ago that monitors aren't green anymore
[13:56] <ptenhoopen> Cool shirt - http://www.teefury.com
[14:04] <Wolfger> Yeah. I like some of the side art more, though.
[14:05] <nullspace> Wolfger: I love grumpy-Os it's my favorite
[14:06] <brousch> ug, feeling old. i've moved into the 35-49 age bracket in a survey
[14:06] <_stink_> take a salt tablet
[14:08] <snap-l> brousch: Now your opinion no longer matters
[14:08] <brousch> i'm practically lumped in with my parents now
[14:08] <snap-l> 18-34 <- taste makers
[14:09] <snap-l> 35-49 <- Some taste
[14:09] <snap-l> 49-65 <- Loosing taste
[14:09] <snap-l> 65+ <- Needs salt.
[14:25] <jrwren> brousch: you are old
[14:28] <Wolfger> snap-l: you are too old to believe that
[14:29] <Wolfger> he is just entering the age bracket at which lawmakers start caring about his opinion
[14:29] <Wolfger> In fact, your entire age bracket scenario is opposite :-)
[14:30] <snap-l> Wolfger: Bullshit. ;)
[14:32] <snap-l> You're assuming they care at all about our opinion
[14:33] <Wolfger> touche
[14:34] <nullspace> hey if you get voted in to office for being a rampant douche` can you really expect them once in office to not be a rampant douche`
[14:40] <rick_h_> dammit, finally get to go see a movie and nothing good out
[14:40] <rick_h_> damn you hollywood!
[14:41] <snap-l> rick_h_: Oh c'mon, there's plenty of movies out.
[14:41] <snap-l> Like, um...
[14:41] <rick_h_> the smurfs! how did I miss the smurfs!
[14:41] <snap-l> Of course! The sequel to Avatar
[14:42] <rick_h_> "on the other side of the universe...in a small small place...
[14:48] <Wolfger> snap-l--
[15:00] <snap-l> Well, this is cool. Firefox is crashing
[15:01] <snap-l> and I can't start it back up
[15:01] <snap-l> Apparently today is the day of weird crashes
[15:01] <snap-l> on the plus side, my car is fixed.
[15:01] <snap-l> so, woo hoo!
[15:02] <snap-l> if we're really lucky, the check from progressive will be in the mailbox today.
[15:06] <rick_h_> party
[16:17] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/12/friday-time-waster-play-dos-games-in-your-chrome-browser/
[16:19] <Wolfger> awesome
[16:43] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-dqtfmIs2I
[17:44] <snap-l> Picked up the car. Woo hoo!
[18:00] <Wolfger> \o/
[18:01] <rick_h_> snap-l: a man with wheels yay
[18:02] <snap-l> Yeah, it's used-car clean too
[18:02] <rick_h_> yea, I love when I take my car in for big work, always do a light detail on it for me :)
[18:02] <snap-l> they didn't clean the cupholders, though
[18:03] <snap-l> and they managed to lose the plastic cover that hangs out on the engine
[18:03] <snap-l> no big deal, but will take it back over there to get it replaced.
[18:23] <Wolfger> I think somebody posted this Programmers question to Slashdot by mistake... http://ask.slashdot.org/story/11/08/12/1433239/Ask-Slashdot-Am-I-Too-Old-To-Learn-New-Programming-Languages
[18:24] <snap-l> *sigh*
[18:24] <snap-l> If you have to ask...
[18:28] <rick_h_> heh, if you want to watch my boy get stabbed at the dr watch the news monday night
[18:34] <snap-l> Oh joy
[18:34] <snap-l> Which station?
[18:36] <rick_h_> wdiv?
[18:36] <rick_h_> not sure what local that is
[18:36] <rick_h_> but that video of her and getting Michael his immunizations is going to air during the 11pm news there I guess
[18:44] <snap-l> Also, set cursorline is awesome.
[18:44] <snap-l> Not sure I'd' have it as default, but it does come in handy.
[18:45] <rick_h_> be aware it's a big cause of laggyness
[18:45] <rick_h_> I used to use it all the time, but it's a perf hit
[18:50] <snap-l> Yeah, but it's good for what I need it for
[18:50] <rick_h_> cool just an fyi
[18:50] <snap-l> which is editing a list of items for my GTD.
[18:51] <rick_h_> there's lots of people on the list and such crying that ruby code highlight is slow, or other things
[18:51] <rick_h_> usually turns out to be cursorline
[18:51] <snap-l> Yeah, if you're on a slow connection, any line-draw is going to be a drag.
[18:51] <rick_h_> it doesn't redraw the line though, vim works by whole screen
[18:51] <rick_h_> something like that, I read about it when I was having issues with it
[18:52] <snap-l> if they're using curses, it'll be a pain regardless.
[18:52] <rick_h_> yea, anyway, big drag, but pretty and cool
[18:52] <snap-l> curses tries to be efficient, but slow connections are still slow.
[18:53] <rick_h_> http://www.vendorclientvideo.com/ is kind of funny
[18:53] <rick_h_> Wolfger: should show that to his chrysler bosses :P
[19:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: That video is awesome.
[20:02] <jjesse> that made me laugh
[20:02] <jjesse> its soooo true
[21:15] <krondor> funny but a bit one sided, we need clientvendorvideo.com I think.  Show the cook buying that steak from outback and reselling it after adding some oregano.  Charging maintenance on the meal too...