| cyberanger | man, I wish I could figure out what it would take for a dial up modem's "Modem on Hold" feature in linux | 04:01 |
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| wrst | howdy ChanServ | 13:55 |
| wrst | ugh | 13:55 |
| wrst | howdy chris4585 | 13:55 |
| Juzzy | haha | 13:57 |
| Juzzy | cyberanger: welcome to the absolute hardest :) | 13:57 |
| Xpistos | MORNING YAL | 14:02 |
| Xpistos | wrst: Capo | 14:02 |
| wrst | mornign :P | 14:04 |
| Xpistos | could my router be stopping a flash page from loading? | 14:06 |
| wrst | Xpistos: anything is possible but I kinda doubt it for some reason | 14:08 |
| Xpistos | my home computers will not load or play http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery&content=37BBFFFF022B64880017015494C2 | 14:09 |
| Xpistos | they say loading and that is it | 14:09 |
| wrst | that's how it works here also Xpistos | 14:09 |
| wrst | i'm on winders at the moment | 14:10 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: was able to get to it and I can get to it here at work | 14:10 |
| wrst | Xpistos: 32 or 64 bit flash? | 14:12 |
| Xpistos | 32 | 14:12 |
| Xpistos | both | 14:12 |
| Xpistos | work is windows | 14:12 |
| Xpistos | home is ubuntu | 14:12 |
| wrst | hmm | 14:13 |
| wrst | Xpistos: here at work on XP, using chrome, firefox, and IE, I get the same result | 14:15 |
| Xpistos | wrst: do you use opendns? | 14:19 |
| Xpistos | nvm that didn't work | 14:20 |
| Xpistos | for it to not work at home but it does at work, there must be something going on | 14:21 |
| wrst | yes I have used it but not here | 14:21 |
| wrst | i'm thinking they site has issues Xpistos | 14:21 |
| Xpistos | and they may, but I can' | 14:22 |
| Xpistos | t figure out what it could be | 14:22 |
| Xpistos | what ver of winders are you using there | 14:22 |
| wrst | xp | 14:22 |
| Xpistos | pro | 14:22 |
| wrst | yep | 14:22 |
| Xpistos | sp3 | 14:22 |
| Xpistos | 32 or 64 bit | 14:23 |
| wrst | yep | 14:23 |
| wrst | 32 | 14:23 |
| Xpistos | brb | 14:23 |
| Xpistos | back | 14:30 |
| wrst | wb | 14:32 |
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| cyberanger | Xpistos: still a problem then? darn | 15:40 |
| Xpistos | yep | 15:40 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: does hulu & youtube work? | 15:41 |
| Xpistos | yep | 15:42 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: does work put you on a strict firewall or proxy | 15:43 |
| cyberanger | wrst: did it work for you | 15:43 |
| wrst | nope nothing worked here cyberanger | 15:43 |
| wrst | 3 browsers | 15:43 |
| wrst | hmm let me remote into the hosue and see | 15:45 |
| wrst | cyberanger: that is workign at home | 15:46 |
| cyberanger | wrst: to clarify nothing, what was tried, and any restrictive firewall involved | 15:47 |
| cyberanger | and what worked at home? | 15:47 |
| wrst | ahh yeah :) Xpistos link worked at home | 15:47 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: The link worked at wrst house and my work, but not wrst work and my house | 15:48 |
| Xpistos | I don't have any restricted firewall | 15:49 |
| cosmicpizza | hi there | 15:50 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: I event tried to allow all incoming and outgoing traffic on my firewall with not luck | 15:52 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: sometimes work enviroments (and my own gear) use restrictive | 15:52 |
| Xpistos | but I can get there from work and cannot get there from home | 15:52 |
| Xpistos | that is what is driving me nuts | 15:52 |
| cyberanger | which is something I was thinking, not allowing everything, but denying anything flash asks for, unnecessarlly | 15:53 |
| cyberanger | wrst: what 3 browsers, and a firewall, and what 4th setup worked | 15:53 |
| wrst | cyberanger: here at work, XP Pro, chrome, firefox and IE, | 15:54 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: it's a nice video btw | 15:54 |
| wrst | at hoem it worked with arch x64 and firefox with teh 64 bit native flash plugin | 15:54 |
| Xpistos | thank you | 15:54 |
| cyberanger | wrst: that all failed, and all on XP Pro, any firewall? | 15:55 |
| cyberanger | and home, was that plugin via pacman or firefox plugin finder, or adobe's site? | 15:55 |
| wrst | cyberanger: yes we have a hardware firewall | 15:55 |
| wrst | but i don't think that is the issue | 15:56 |
| Xpistos | if my modem is in bridge mode that should be doing anything firewall wise should it? | 15:56 |
| cyberanger | wrst: neither do I, but flash's behaviour changes with a firewall (I was thinking that, but this much difference, I doubt that now) | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: it'd be your router | 15:57 |
| Xpistos | netgear wgt624 v3 | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: I don't think it's a firewall anymore | 15:58 |
| Xpistos | I will try to get the email from my wife they sent her | 16:00 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: I'm thinking one of two things (and only one is really in our control) | 16:03 |
| Xpistos | hit me | 16:04 |
| cyberanger | I'm thinking flash version differences, bug or glitch in an older one | 16:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst had 64 bit, I had 32 bit | 16:04 |
| Xpistos | I updated flash with the plugin you gave me yesterday. I have 32 bit | 16:04 |
| cyberanger | but the actual versions might...ah drat, right | 16:05 |
| cyberanger | second one (which isn't really anything we can deal with) is their server | 16:05 |
| cyberanger | if they use a CDN, they've got more than one server | 16:05 |
| cyberanger | and one is acting up | 16:05 |
| cyberanger | I'm trying to think of any other method to cause an issue with this much difference between the two failures | 16:20 |
| cyberanger | and any similarities between the two sucesses | 16:20 |
| cyberanger | it's nice when you got one problem, but with flash it's never just one problem | 16:24 |
| Xpistos | nice | 16:26 |
| Xpistos | CDN? | 16:26 |
| cyberanger | Content Distrobution Network | 16:30 |
| cyberanger | think distributed servers, nyc, chicago, atl & LA | 16:32 |
| cyberanger | you only contact the one closest to you (which is guesses about) | 16:32 |
| cyberanger | closest to me is clearly ATL, for you it could be chichago or atl | 16:32 |
| cyberanger | (just as an example list) | 16:33 |
| cyberanger | and each will have more than one server | 16:33 |
| cyberanger | one has a server issue and hence the issue | 16:33 |
| Xpistos | but why would work be good and home not? the page has been loading for 2 hours | 16:34 |
| Xpistos | and I work a mile from my house | 16:34 |
| cyberanger | becuase it routed to a different server | 16:34 |
| cyberanger | your distance isn't over a network (could be different ISP's too) | 16:34 |
| cyberanger | so that could even mean not just a different server, but different data center | 16:35 |
| cyberanger | I'm not saying that's it, I'm just trying to build a list of what it might be | 16:35 |
| cyberanger | thing with flash, it rarely is one simple issue with one simple fix | 16:35 |
| cyberanger | it's usually mutiple issues turing the pond to mud, hard to see the issue through the soot | 16:36 |
| Xpistos | should I try using a proxy and see it that does the trick? | 16:39 |
| cyberanger | with flash, it's a great idea, except flash like to avoid using them | 16:42 |
| cyberanger | that's why my firewall question wasn't just about what you allow but what you deny | 16:42 |
| cyberanger | you deny enough, flash listens to your settings, and uses the proxy | 16:43 |
| Xpistos | well i have a proxy going, but should I just lock outgoing on my proxy | 16:47 |
| Xpistos | well i disabled port 80 traffic and set the proxy that uses port 3128 I am getting a different status message now, "waiting for adobe.com...: which is different than transfering. | 16:53 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: port 80 isn't the only port | 19:20 |
| cyberanger | 1935 is the main one | 19:29 |
| cyberanger | it falls back to 80 & 443 (I can't recall the order, I think that's the fallback order) | 19:29 |
| Xpistos | I disabled them in and out as well. no change | 19:51 |
| cyberanger | codecs is the only thought I have left, but that's already explained away, when we did the upgrade last night | 19:58 |
| cyberanger | well, the only thought that we could resolve | 20:06 |
| Juzzy | whats the problem? | 20:08 |
| Xpistos | Juzzy: I can get to a page to see my daughters entry into a signing contest. | 20:11 |
| Xpistos | https://owa.viacom.com/Exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing%26subPage=gallery | 20:12 |
| Xpistos | I can see it at work but not from home | 20:12 |
| Xpistos | at home I get to the second loading screen and it does nothing | 20:13 |
| Juzzy | does the redirect work? | 20:14 |
| Xpistos | wait that link is not work | 20:14 |
| Xpistos | right | 20:14 |
| Juzzy | running squid? | 20:14 |
| Xpistos | http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery | 20:15 |
| Juzzy | ya gathered that | 20:15 |
| Juzzy | running squid? | 20:15 |
| Juzzy | or what's the problem? | 20:15 |
| Xpistos | I am not running anything | 20:18 |
| Xpistos | http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/index.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery&content=37BBFFFF022B64880017015494C2 | 20:18 |
| Xpistos | that is the link | 20:18 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: flash is the problem | 20:25 |
| cyberanger | or so it seems | 20:25 |
| cyberanger | tried on mutiple browsers & locations, even other OS's | 20:26 |
| cyberanger | my laptop worked on the second link | 20:26 |
| cyberanger | wrst had sucess at home, not at work | 20:26 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: your issue was at home, work suceeded, right? | 20:27 |
| Xpistos | right | 20:27 |
| Xpistos | and wrst was backwards | 20:27 |
| * wrst heard his name mentioned | 20:27 | |
| wrst | Xpistos: I'm always backwards | 20:27 |
| Xpistos | lol | 20:27 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: so yeah, various attempts, mutiple variations, only constant is it's a flash video :-/ | 20:28 |
| Xpistos | the link that ends in gallery is not a flash page I don't think | 20:30 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: it has flash in it | 20:32 |
| cyberanger | but the page is html | 20:32 |
| Juzzy | sorry, back | 20:34 |
| Juzzy | what protocol, port is the flash going over? | 20:34 |
| Juzzy | I'm guessign it's streamed and not a swf/flv over port 80? | 20:34 |
| Xpistos | I guess | 20:36 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: streamed, but idk what the failure is trying, 1935 80 or 443 | 20:37 |
| cyberanger | my sucess is RTMP over HTTP or RTMP over HTTPS | 20:37 |
| Xpistos | I can watch http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/inspireAndImagine.php?page=inspire&subPage=roadToStardom without a problem | 20:41 |
| Xpistos | I disabled 80, 443, and 1935 and used a proxy. still not luck | 20:42 |
| cyberanger | yeah, hence the mystery that still remains | 20:43 |
| Juzzy | how did you enable the proxy? | 21:11 |
| Juzzy | internet options? | 21:11 |
| Xpistos | foxyproxy | 21:11 |
| Juzzy | or ff/chrome? | 21:11 |
| Xpistos | firefox | 21:11 |
| Juzzy | so how does flash know to use that? | 21:11 |
| Juzzy | do it in internet options | 21:12 |
| Xpistos | I said for everything to go through the proxy | 21:12 |
| Juzzy | flash = 3rd party | 21:12 |
| Juzzy | it doesnt give a pooper about your ff settings - that I'm aware of | 21:12 |
| Xpistos | yeah, but if you tell it to go through the proxy and it can't go through a different port | 21:12 |
| Xpistos | I don't see how the page can go through the proxy but flash not expecially when you turn the other ports off | 21:13 |
| Juzzy | http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+flash+proxy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 21:16 |
| Juzzy | first 2 links from glancing says flash doesnt use ff settings | 21:16 |
| Juzzy | which would be my guess | 21:16 |
| Xpistos | chrome and midori then don't work either | 21:17 |
| Juzzy | https://getfoxyproxy.org/proxyservice/video-and-audio.html | 21:18 |
| Juzzy | dunno bro | 21:18 |
| Juzzy | find the port it's using | 21:19 |
| Juzzy | get wireshark, etc | 21:19 |
| Juzzy | see if upstream is blocking it | 21:19 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: I enable it in firefox options, but flash reserves the right to ignore it, If you firewall it enough, it'll listen | 21:32 |
| cyberanger | flash can listen to firefox (as a plugin, it can see those settings) it just can disobey too | 21:33 |
| cyberanger | good idea on wireshark | 21:44 |
| Juzzy | fun | 22:03 |
| cyberanger | yeah, something I worked on with others when hulu made it a pain, when I was involved in foxyproxy | 22:07 |
| Juzzy | hiphop-php is pretty spiffy | 22:26 |
| Juzzy | takes 409s to recompile the site though, heh :( | 22:28 |
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