[04:01] <cyberanger> man, I wish I could figure out what it would take for a dial up modem's "Modem on Hold" feature in linux
[13:55] <wrst> howdy ChanServ
[13:55] <wrst> ugh
[13:55] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[13:57] <Juzzy> haha
[13:57] <Juzzy> cyberanger: welcome to the absolute hardest :)
[14:02] <Xpistos> MORNING YAL
[14:02] <Xpistos> wrst: Capo
[14:04] <wrst> mornign :P
[14:06] <Xpistos> could my router be stopping a flash page from loading?
[14:08] <wrst> Xpistos: anything is possible but I kinda doubt it for some reason
[14:09] <Xpistos> my home computers will not load or play http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery&content=37BBFFFF022B64880017015494C2
[14:09] <Xpistos> they say loading and that is it
[14:09] <wrst> that's how it works here also Xpistos
[14:10] <wrst> i'm on winders at the moment
[14:10] <Xpistos> cyberanger: was able to get to it and I can get to it here at work
[14:12] <wrst> Xpistos: 32 or 64 bit flash?
[14:12] <Xpistos> 32
[14:12] <Xpistos> both
[14:12] <Xpistos> work is windows
[14:12] <Xpistos> home is ubuntu
[14:13] <wrst> hmm
[14:15] <wrst> Xpistos: here at work on XP, using chrome, firefox, and IE, I get the same result
[14:19] <Xpistos> wrst:  do you use opendns?
[14:20] <Xpistos> nvm that didn't work
[14:21] <Xpistos> for it to not work at home but it does at work, there must be something going on
[14:21] <wrst> yes I have used it but not here
[14:21] <wrst> i'm thinking they site has issues Xpistos
[14:22] <Xpistos> and they may, but I can'
[14:22] <Xpistos> t figure out what it could be
[14:22] <Xpistos> what ver of winders are you using there
[14:22] <wrst> xp
[14:22] <Xpistos> pro
[14:22] <wrst> yep
[14:22] <Xpistos> sp3
[14:23] <Xpistos> 32 or 64 bit
[14:23] <wrst> yep
[14:23] <wrst> 32
[14:23] <Xpistos> brb
[14:30] <Xpistos> back
[14:32] <wrst> wb
[15:40] <cyberanger> Xpistos: still a problem then? darn
[15:40] <Xpistos> yep
[15:41] <cyberanger> Xpistos: does hulu & youtube work?
[15:42] <Xpistos> yep
[15:43] <cyberanger> Xpistos: does work put you on a strict firewall or proxy
[15:43] <cyberanger> wrst: did it work for you
[15:43] <wrst> nope nothing worked here cyberanger
[15:43] <wrst> 3 browsers
[15:45] <wrst> hmm let me remote into the hosue and see
[15:46] <wrst> cyberanger: that is workign at home
[15:47] <cyberanger> wrst: to clarify nothing, what was tried, and any restrictive firewall involved
[15:47] <cyberanger> and what worked at home?
[15:47] <wrst> ahh yeah :) Xpistos link worked at home
[15:48] <Xpistos> cyberanger:  The link worked at wrst house and my work, but not wrst work and my house
[15:49] <Xpistos> I don't have any restricted firewall
[15:50] <cosmicpizza> hi there
[15:52] <Xpistos> cyberanger: I event tried to allow all incoming and outgoing traffic on my firewall with not luck
[15:52] <cyberanger> Xpistos: sometimes work enviroments (and my own gear) use restrictive
[15:52] <Xpistos> but I can get there from work and cannot get there from home
[15:52] <Xpistos> that is what is driving me nuts
[15:53] <cyberanger> which is something I was thinking, not allowing everything, but denying anything flash asks for, unnecessarlly
[15:53] <cyberanger> wrst: what 3 browsers, and a firewall, and what 4th setup worked
[15:54] <wrst> cyberanger: here at work, XP Pro, chrome, firefox and IE,
[15:54] <cyberanger> Xpistos: it's a nice video btw
[15:54] <wrst> at hoem it worked with arch x64 and firefox with teh 64 bit native flash plugin
[15:54] <Xpistos> thank you
[15:55] <cyberanger> wrst: that all failed, and all on XP Pro, any firewall?
[15:55] <cyberanger> and home, was that plugin via pacman or firefox plugin finder, or adobe's site?
[15:55] <wrst> cyberanger: yes we have a hardware firewall
[15:56] <wrst> but i don't think that is the issue
[15:56] <Xpistos> if my modem is in bridge mode that should be doing anything firewall wise should it?
[15:57] <cyberanger> wrst: neither do I, but flash's behaviour changes with a firewall (I was thinking that, but this much difference, I doubt that now)
[15:57] <cyberanger> Xpistos: it'd be your router
[15:57] <Xpistos> netgear wgt624 v3
[15:58] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I don't think it's a firewall anymore
[16:00] <Xpistos> I will try to get the email from my wife they sent her
[16:03] <cyberanger> Xpistos: I'm thinking one of two things (and only one is really in our control)
[16:04] <Xpistos> hit me
[16:04] <cyberanger> I'm thinking flash version differences, bug or glitch in an older one
[16:04] <cyberanger> wrst had 64 bit, I had 32 bit
[16:04] <Xpistos> I updated flash with the plugin you gave me yesterday. I have 32 bit
[16:05] <cyberanger> but the actual versions might...ah drat, right
[16:05] <cyberanger> second one (which isn't really anything we can deal with) is their server
[16:05] <cyberanger> if they use a CDN, they've got more than one server
[16:05] <cyberanger> and one is acting up
[16:20] <cyberanger> I'm trying to think of any other method to cause an issue with this much difference between the two failures
[16:20] <cyberanger> and any similarities between the two sucesses
[16:24] <cyberanger> it's nice when you got one problem, but with flash it's never just one problem
[16:26] <Xpistos> nice
[16:26] <Xpistos> CDN?
[16:30] <cyberanger> Content Distrobution Network
[16:32] <cyberanger> think distributed servers, nyc, chicago, atl & LA
[16:32] <cyberanger> you only contact the one closest to you (which is guesses about)
[16:32] <cyberanger> closest to me is clearly ATL, for you it could be chichago or atl
[16:33] <cyberanger> (just as an example list)
[16:33] <cyberanger> and each will have more than one server
[16:33] <cyberanger> one has a server issue and hence the issue
[16:34] <Xpistos> but why would work be good and home not? the page has been loading for 2 hours
[16:34] <Xpistos> and I work a mile from my house
[16:34] <cyberanger> becuase it routed to a different server
[16:34] <cyberanger> your distance isn't over a network (could be different ISP's too)
[16:35] <cyberanger> so that could even mean not just a different server, but different data center
[16:35] <cyberanger> I'm not saying that's it, I'm just trying to build a list of what it might be
[16:35] <cyberanger> thing with flash, it rarely is one simple issue with one simple fix
[16:36] <cyberanger> it's usually mutiple issues turing the pond to mud, hard to see the issue through the soot
[16:39] <Xpistos> should I try using a proxy and see it that does the trick?
[16:42] <cyberanger> with flash, it's a great idea, except flash like to avoid using them
[16:42] <cyberanger> that's why my firewall question wasn't just about what you allow but what you deny
[16:43] <cyberanger> you deny enough, flash listens to your settings, and uses the proxy
[16:47] <Xpistos> well i have a proxy going, but should I just lock outgoing on my proxy
[16:53] <Xpistos> well i disabled port 80 traffic and set the proxy that uses port 3128 I am getting a different status message now, "waiting for adobe.com...: which is different than transfering.
[19:20] <cyberanger> Xpistos: port 80 isn't the only port
[19:29] <cyberanger> 1935 is the main one
[19:29] <cyberanger> it falls back to 80 & 443 (I can't recall the order, I think that's the fallback order)
[19:51] <Xpistos> I disabled them in and out as well. no change
[19:58] <cyberanger> codecs is the only thought I have left, but that's already explained away, when we did the upgrade last night
[20:06] <cyberanger> well, the only thought that we could resolve
[20:08] <Juzzy> whats the problem?
[20:11] <Xpistos> Juzzy: I can get to a page to see my daughters entry into a signing contest.
[20:12] <Xpistos> https://owa.viacom.com/Exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing%26subPage=gallery
[20:12] <Xpistos> I can see it at work but not from home
[20:13] <Xpistos> at home I get to the second loading screen and it does nothing
[20:14] <Juzzy> does the redirect work?
[20:14] <Xpistos> wait that link is not work
[20:14] <Xpistos> right
[20:14] <Juzzy> running squid?
[20:15] <Xpistos> http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/singAndSubmit.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery
[20:15] <Juzzy> ya gathered that
[20:15] <Juzzy> running squid?
[20:15] <Juzzy> or what's the problem?
[20:18] <Xpistos> I am not running anything
[20:18] <Xpistos> http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/index.php?page=sing&subPage=gallery&content=37BBFFFF022B64880017015494C2
[20:18] <Xpistos> that is the link
[20:25] <cyberanger> Juzzy: flash is the problem
[20:25] <cyberanger> or so it seems
[20:26] <cyberanger> tried on mutiple browsers & locations, even other OS's
[20:26] <cyberanger> my laptop worked on the second link
[20:26] <cyberanger> wrst had sucess at home, not at work
[20:27] <cyberanger> Xpistos: your issue was at home, work suceeded, right?
[20:27] <Xpistos> right
[20:27] <Xpistos> and wrst was backwards
[20:27]  * wrst heard his name mentioned
[20:27] <wrst> Xpistos: I'm always backwards
[20:27] <Xpistos> lol
[20:28] <cyberanger> Juzzy: so yeah, various attempts, mutiple variations, only constant is it's a flash video :-/
[20:30] <Xpistos> the link that ends in gallery is not a flash page I don't think
[20:32] <cyberanger> Xpistos: it has flash in it
[20:32] <cyberanger> but the page is html
[20:34] <Juzzy> sorry, back
[20:34] <Juzzy> what protocol, port is the flash going over?
[20:34] <Juzzy> I'm guessign it's streamed and not a swf/flv over port 80?
[20:36] <Xpistos> I guess
[20:37] <cyberanger> Juzzy: streamed, but idk what the failure is trying, 1935 80 or 443
[20:37] <cyberanger> my sucess is RTMP over HTTP or RTMP over HTTPS
[20:41] <Xpistos> I can watch http://ads.parentsconnect.com/sponsors/2011/quaker/chewy/inspireAndImagine.php?page=inspire&subPage=roadToStardom without a problem
[20:42] <Xpistos> I disabled 80, 443, and 1935 and used a proxy. still not luck
[20:43] <cyberanger> yeah, hence the mystery that still remains
[21:11] <Juzzy> how did you enable the proxy?
[21:11] <Juzzy> internet options?
[21:11] <Xpistos> foxyproxy
[21:11] <Juzzy> or ff/chrome?
[21:11] <Xpistos> firefox
[21:11] <Juzzy> so how does flash know to use that?
[21:12] <Juzzy> do it in internet options
[21:12] <Xpistos> I said for everything to go through the proxy
[21:12] <Juzzy> flash = 3rd party
[21:12] <Juzzy> it doesnt give a pooper about your ff settings - that I'm aware of
[21:12] <Xpistos> yeah, but if you tell it to go through the proxy and it can't go through a different port
[21:13] <Xpistos> I don't see how the page can go through the proxy but flash not expecially when you turn the other ports off
[21:16] <Juzzy> http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+flash+proxy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[21:16] <Juzzy> first 2 links from glancing says flash doesnt use ff settings
[21:16] <Juzzy> which would be my guess
[21:17] <Xpistos> chrome and midori then don't work either
[21:18] <Juzzy> https://getfoxyproxy.org/proxyservice/video-and-audio.html
[21:18] <Juzzy> dunno bro
[21:19] <Juzzy> find the port it's using
[21:19] <Juzzy> get wireshark, etc
[21:19] <Juzzy> see if upstream is blocking it
[21:32] <cyberanger> Juzzy: I enable it in firefox options, but flash reserves the right to ignore it, If you firewall it enough, it'll listen
[21:33] <cyberanger> flash can listen to firefox (as a plugin, it can see those settings) it just can disobey too
[21:44] <cyberanger> good idea on wireshark
[22:03] <Juzzy> fun
[22:07] <cyberanger> yeah, something I worked on with others when hulu made it a pain, when I was involved in foxyproxy
[22:26] <Juzzy> hiphop-php is pretty spiffy
[22:28] <Juzzy> takes 409s to recompile the site though, heh :(