[01:29] <MichelleQ> Ahem.  http://blog.worldlabel.com/2011/tux-paint-kids-summer-drawing-contest.html
[01:32] <jledbetter> cool!
[01:34] <MichelleQ> Thought I'd pass it along, if any of you have or know chirrens who might be interested in participating.
[01:43] <Cheri703> do we think that is a troll or?
[01:43] <jledbetter> No idea.
[01:43] <Cheri703> ok, not wanting to jump to conclusions, but...dunno
[01:43] <Cheri703> am wary
[01:44] <MichelleQ> I'm gonna jump to that conclusion yes.
[01:44] <elky> ze has been trolling #defocus for the past week that i've seen
[01:44] <Cheri703>  /whois says "tony fisher"
[01:44] <Cheri703> ok
[01:44] <elky> yes, ze is claiming to be a transman I assume
[01:46] <MichelleQ> I'm very tempted to actually give my opinion on the slutwalks.
[01:47] <elky> MichelleQ, remembering that such questions are usually trying to get us to fight over the issue.
[01:47] <MichelleQ> I know.
[01:47]  * MichelleQ is not
[01:47] <jledbetter> I had to look them up.
[01:49] <MichelleQ> They've been the topic of discussion amongst my radical feminist friends.
[01:50] <MichelleQ> And while I appreciate their intented message, I take issue with the terms they use to describe themselves.
[01:51] <elky> MichelleQ, you mean slur reclamation?
[01:53] <MichelleQ> yes.  I'm not 100% convinced that the manner in which they are reclaming the word is appropriate, and I'm also unconvinced that 'slut' is a term that needs reclamation
[01:53]  * Cheri703 has NO desire in any capacity to be referred to as a slut, regardless of intentions
[02:03] <elky> It kinda wouldn't work if it were "womenwalk" it does need to be the term used, or something of equal value.
[02:06] <MichelleQ> I'm not so sure it does.  Yes, I understand the principle, but I think it can be accomplished in completely different terms.
[02:07] <Cheri703> I agree with MichelleQ...I think that the point can be conveyed just as clearly but with different terms
[02:07] <elky> Im not sure you can imply irony.
[02:07] <elky> You have to demonstrate it.
[02:08] <MichelleQ> I suspect the irony gets lost in the 'omgboobies' reaction, though
[02:10] <Cheri703> take back the night = much better concept imo https://easilyriled.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/slut-walk-sigh/