Kilosmorning superfly and others06:19
Kilosmarcog, coffee on06:19
Kilosmorning cocooncrash where is our bot please?06:19
superflymorning Kilos06:33
Kilosmorning tumbleweed can you help me please06:52
tumbleweedKilos: it's not obvious what the problem is, could be one of many things06:54
Kilosoh my06:55
Kilosand its all through the three diffent recovery modes of the maverick updates06:58
Kilosmaybe a clean install06:59
tumbleweedthat'll certainly do the trick07:02
tumbleweedoh, hang on07:02
tumbleweedare you saying the only problem is that the text is tiny?07:03
Kilosand it doesnt complete the recovery07:03
tumbleweedI'm not sure what you mean by "complete the recovery"07:03
tumbleweedboot to recovery mode just brings you to a menu07:03
Kilosbut once i am in maverick text is normal again07:03
tumbleweedthat just sounds like a framebuffer for text mode, so it's using your native resolution07:04
Kilosif you run the recovery mode it does hundreds of checks looks like but now it stops half way07:04
tumbleweedno, it doesn't sound like it's running any checks, not stopping half way07:04
Kilosonly prob with a clean install is the updates. i have already turned off the last 2 to stretch my data07:07
tumbleweedI don't see any reason that you'd need to re-install, everything seems fine07:07
Kilosmaverick is much slower, and before the recovery used to fix that07:08
tumbleweedslower than what?07:10
tumbleweedslower when doing what?07:10
Kilosslower than it was before the power cuts and breaking grub07:11
Kilosfrom boot to opening evolution and anything else07:11
tumbleweedhow much slower?07:11
Kilossimilar to winsucks when baddly fragmented07:11
Kiloswell boot alone has gone from 55 secs to 1min 30secs07:12
tumbleweedsorry, I have no idea what would cause that, but you may find it'll get faster (if ureadahead learns what to read ahead)07:12
Kilosother things maybe 30 secs or a bit more slower than before07:12
Kilosmaybe thats whats broken07:13
* tumbleweed can't help with that07:13
Kilosi will see what i can find07:13
Kilosty tumbleweed 07:13
inetprogood morning07:26
Kiloslo inetpro 07:26
inetproKilos: hi07:26
Kiloshard in sa without maaz09:39
KilosMaaz, hello10:07
MaazSup Kilos10:07
KilosMaaz, wb10:07
MaazThank you so much Kilos my good good friend10:07
KilosMaaz, where werte you10:08
MaazKilos: Excuse me?10:08
KilosMaaz, where were you10:08
MaazKilos: I am your new robot overlord10:08
Kiloshee hee10:08
* Kilos dances a jig10:08
KilosMaaz, coffee on10:09
* Maaz puts the kettle on10:09
Kiloscocooncrash, ty10:12
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos!10:13
KilosMaaz, gracias amigo10:13
Maaz¡de nada compadre10:13
* inetpro getting very hungry10:51
inetproMaaz: wb10:52
MaazThank you so much inetpro my good good friend10:52
* nlsthzn waves11:10
inetprohi nlsthzn11:14
nlsthznHey inetpro ... How are things?11:15
* inetpro enjoying a kfc hawaiin burger meal11:15
inetpronow that was very nice11:22
inetpronlsthzn: what you up to on that side?11:23
nlsthznNot to much... just had my few days off (which was good, except that I have been unable to switch my day and night back after night shift)... I am back to work tomorrow and I only got up now at 2 pm here :/11:25
inetpronlsthzn: eish13:28
inetpronlsthzn: and you going back to do more night shift?13:29
nlsthzninetpro, no, day shift tomorrow... and now I will struggle to sleep tonight... so I will be working on zombie mode :p13:30
nlsthznamanica, hey... you have posted on severedfifth.com right?14:55
amanicanlsthzn: yeah, thats me15:12
amanicayour name sounded southafrican :)15:12
amanicaand I think I saw you on the ubuntu-za mailinglist recently15:12
nlsthznYup :) (stranger from Severed Fifth Forum btw ;))15:13
amanicayeah, figured that15:13
nlsthznoh cool :)15:13
nlsthznsupper time... brb15:13
amanicathats early. enjoy15:14
nlsthzn:p not that early where I am 15:31
Kilosamanica, he is in the UAE16:46
Kiloscoupla hours ahead of us16:46
amanicaah, Kilos. thx17:28
Kiloshi kbmonkey hows the studies going17:31
kbmonkeyhello Kilos 17:32
kbmonkeyits great!17:33
Kilosthats nice to hear17:33
kbmonkeyits nice to be :)17:33
kbmonkeyMaaz coffee on!17:34
* Maaz puts the kettle on17:34
kbmonkeyinternet was in bad shape so i wrestled with the automated telkom voice prompts. 17:34
Kilosha ha ha17:35
kbmonkeyat least ten voice prompts before you talk to a person. wow17:35
Kilosthe cell peeps are just as bad17:35
Kilosvery frustrating17:35
Kilosand they like to believe you are stupid so they can feed you anything and you will be happy17:36
MaazCoffee's ready for kbmonkey!17:38
Kilosaw i was slow17:38
* Kilos sulks17:38
kbmonkeyah thanks Maaz 17:39
kbmonkeyah np Kilos i can have a coffee marathon17:40
kbmonkeyMaaz coffee on17:40
* Maaz puts the kettle on17:40
KilosMaaz, coffee please17:40
MaazKilos: Righto17:40
Kilossuperfly, do you use dragon player. ian says it needs plugins by him but cant find them17:42
Kilosinetpro, ^^17:42
Kilosi should never have given ian kubuntu, now im lost17:43
MaazCoffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!17:44
kbmonkeyMaaz thanks 17:44
Maazkbmonkey: Sure17:44
KilosMaaz, dankie man17:44
MaazGroot plesier my vriend17:44
kbmonkeynever heard of dragon player. video?17:44
Kilosyeah ian says its in his new install17:45
Kilosi use vlc , plays anything17:45
kbmonkeyis that the default player for kubuntu i wonder17:46
kbmonkey+1 vic vlc17:46
KilosMaaz, google dragon player in kubuntu natty17:46
MaazKilos: "Kubuntu 11.04 Sneak Peek [UDS Cookie] | Apachelogger's Log" http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/ :: "[kubuntu] Dragon Player - no video tearing? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361324 :: "Old Nabble - kubuntu-devel - Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu ..." http://old.nabble.com/Proposals-for-Natty-from-Ubuntu-Italian-User-td30738621.html :: "A newbie's report on Kubun17:46
kbmonkeyMaaz google kubuntu default video player17:47
Maazkbmonkey: "[kubuntu] Kaffeine black screen & no audio - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1814046 :: "Feature Tour | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour :: "Kubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat :: "Kubuntu Alpha Releases | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-alpha-releases :: "RestrictedFormats - Community Ubuntu Documentatio17:47
superflyKilos: he should install kubuntu-restricted-extras, which might be in the "multiverse" repository17:49
Kilosoh ty superfly 17:50
Kilossigh. now he asks if he can do that via cli superfly 17:52
Kilosand he not even near the pc17:53
kbmonkeyyou can kilos17:53
Kiloslo |17:53
superflyKilos: eh?17:53
Kiloshe wants to know can he use cli to get restricted extras17:54
Kilosor has kde got same kinda update manager17:54
Kilossoftware centre?17:54
kbmonkeyit does, 17:54
kbmonkeyhang on17:54
Kilosty kbmonkey 17:55
kbmonkeywe can give him a link to the ubuntu help that shows how to enable restricted extras on kubuntu17:55
kbmonkeythe cli method would be: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras17:56
Kilosok that will do ty kbmonkey 17:56
kbmonkeybut before that one needs to enable the "multiverse" repo, which ... you...um..17:56
Kilosi mail this info to him and when he gets a break at work he plays on his pc17:56
kbmonkey1) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine17:56
kbmonkey2) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats17:57
kbmonkeythose two should do it :)17:57
Kilosdankie man17:57
kbmonkeyyw :)17:57
Kiloskbmonkey, ian says ty very much18:03
Kiloshes my brat18:03
kbmonkeyglad i could help Kilos!18:04
superflyKilos: why would one not be able to install packages on the command line?18:05
Kilosi dont open mails i use evolution18:05
Kilosjust the restricted extras superfly 18:06
Kiloshe doesnt know what command to use to get them18:06
superflyKilos: it's a package, just like any other18:06
Kilosand i did it in software centre if i member18:06
Kilosthe plugins?18:06
Kiloshe has the dragon player but its plugins cant be found18:07
kbmonkeythe codecs to play the videos? those links should fix that. he will likely need internet too18:08
Kilosthats why his pc is at worked they got uncapped18:09
inetproKilos: sup?18:19
Kiloslo inetpro ian was sukkling with dragon player and i not a kubuntu guy18:20
inetproKilos: kubuntu/ubuntu all the same in the bavk-ends18:20
Kilosi told him to use vlc but he said he already has that thing18:20
Kilosso where does he come from with this dragon player then18:21
inetproKilos: I think it's the default video player or such18:22
inetproI've never really used it18:22
Kiloswhat do you use?18:22
kbmonkeyhmmm lets see. i have qemu and kubuntu live iso18:22
* inetpro is not a multimedia freak18:22
kbmonkeyim a music freak18:23
Kilosian watches lotsa christian videos18:23
kbmonkeyim quite happy with mpd music player daemon )18:23
kbmonkeyKilos you will like this music player. its all cli18:23
Kilosi use vlc for everything18:23
inetproKilos: vlc should be ok, though I have found that it's worth installing mplayer in the past18:23
Kiloslol no man ian loves cli i like using my mouse where possible18:24
kbmonkeyek grap net ;)18:24
inetprobut I think vlc these days should be enough18:24
Kilosvlc even plays .amr stuff of cells18:24
inetprobut dragon player should also be ok, I think18:25
Kiloswell we see what he says tomorrow18:25
Kiloshe broke his dpkg yesterday18:25
Kilosand today after work i told him about the recovery goody18:26
Kilosand its fixed18:26
kbmonkeygood :) im glad we're not working with dynamite here :)18:26
Kiloshis screen goes black after a while and cant find where to tell it not to18:26
Kilosi shoulda copied kubuntu cd so i could see what he is talking about18:27
inetprothe big thing about this multimedia stuff is that we are still sitting with lots of dmr mentality in the software world18:27
Kilosthe minute he saw kde he said he prefers it to gnome so my cd went18:28
Kiloswhat mentality is that inetpro 18:28
inetproKilos: it's the defective by design mentality18:29
Kiloshee hee hee18:29
inetproDigital Rights Management18:29
kbmonkeyit means some people own the rights to play video formats, and you have to pay them if you want to put it in your product.18:30
Kilosi stick with vlc. even used it on winsucks18:31
kbmonkeyso ubuntu cant put it in by default, because otherwise ubuntu has to pay18:31
Kilosoh i see18:31
inetprothanks kbmonkey18:31
Kilosdie jong mense slim man18:31
inetproKilos: that's exactly why18:31
kbmonkeythats the very simple version. copyright law gets messy very quickly :p18:32
* inetpro agrees with kbmonkey18:32
inetproand then you get patents18:32
inetproeven worse18:32
kbmonkeyso many patent trolls popping up lately. makes me cross hey18:33
Kilostoo many legal issues in everything nowadays18:33
kbmonkeyi need to go make some tea18:33
inetprokbmonkey: watch out, making tea might be patented as well18:34
KilosMaaz, coffee on18:34
* Maaz starts grinding coffee18:34
inetproMaaz: coffee please18:34
Maazinetpro: Righto18:34
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!18:38
inetproMaaz: ngiyabonga18:38
Maazinetpro: What?18:38
KilosMaaz, thanks man18:39
MaazKilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)18:39
kbmonkeyMaaz rusks please18:41
MaazSorry kbmonkey I only have Romany Creams today18:41
kbmonkeyMaaz romany creams please!!!18:41
MaazOnly 2 kbmonkey Otherwise no one else gets any18:41
* kbmonkey chomps18:41
inetprohmm... he ate them all?18:42
kbmonkeysome real ones would be good right now18:43
KilosMaaz, and rusks18:43
MaazI hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are18:43
Kilosyeah i love them cookies18:43
kbmonkeyhe lied to me! he hid the rusks and said there only romany's!18:43
KilosMaaz, dankie man18:44
MaazGroot plesier my vriend18:44
kbmonkeyhe he maaz code TELL_LIES = 118:45
kbmonkeyis maaz a pybot?18:45
* inetpro lol18:45
kbmonkeystill need to make a irc bot18:45
kbmonkeyi made a service bot that worked with mxit then mxit changed their protocol :p18:45
Kilosthat must be a massive job18:46
inetprokbmonkey: http://ibid.omnia.za.net/18:46
kbmonkeywhich was actually just a modified xmpp18:46
kbmonkeywell kilos i wanted to make a word game that us friends could play18:46
kbmonkeykind of like balderdash18:46
kbmonkeyit was great fun that game! a irc/xmpp version might be fun to make18:47
Kiloswhere you gonna find the time18:47
inetprokbmonkey: just join the ibid guys18:48
kbmonkeyi'll have to make it kilos because if i want to find a coding job, i'll need to keep on learning ;)18:48
inetprokbmonkey: see also https://launchpad.net/ibid18:48
kbmonkeythanks inetpro i will have a look!18:48
Kiloskbmonkey, Maaz is an ibid18:49
kbmonkeyah ibid seems perfect!18:49
inetprokbmonkey: check who did it18:50
Kiloswho inetpro 18:51
Kilosi no go see18:51
inetproKilos: https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members18:51
Kilosok i wget that18:52
Kilosoh yes18:52
Kiloskbmonkey, what was the -o after wget for18:53
Kilosi read man but it above me18:53
inetproKilos: members are Jonathan Hitchcock, Max Rabkin, Michael Gorven, Russell Cloran & Stefano Rivera18:53
Kilosall our guys18:54
Kilosi dunno max18:54
Kilosor russel18:54
kbmonkeywget --help should tell you the options, i cant remember18:55
inetproKilos: lynx is much easier than wget18:56
inetprolynx https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members18:56
kbmonkeyyes Kilos i know you said lynx is confusing but once you used to it... :)18:56
Kilosyou just put that in cli?18:56
inetproKilos: yep18:57
inetproand to quit lynx is just q18:57
kbmonkeywrite down the 5 commands you most likely to use, like go to a url, moving around a page, and following links. 18:57
Kiloswow i was opening it and then trying to work things out18:57
kbmonkeythen use those for a day, and go back and write down more commands you might use18:57
kbmonkeyil learn it with you he he. 18:58
inetproactually to quit lynx is q and q again18:58
Kilosits easy if you just put that in cli18:58
inetproor a single capital Q18:58
inetproKilos: once inside lynx just press h for help18:59
inetproso just remember q for quit and h for help18:59
Kilosok looks good so far19:00
kbmonkeyim installing lynx now19:01
kbmonkeyoh.. tea...19:01
inetproKilos: then you go and and down to highlight a link and press -> to follow the link or <- to go back19:02
inetprooops, go up and down to highlight19:02
Kilosoh i entered19:02
kbmonkey? for help. i like this.19:03
Kiloseven got help for beginners19:04
inetproKilos: better help than most other software19:04
Kilosremember we tried it over a year ago19:05
Kilosbut i have forgotten it all19:05
inetproKilos: remember you have come a very long way19:05
Kiloswas spoiled with lotsa data19:05
Kilosnee man ek sukkel nog19:06
kbmonkeydoes lynx keep track of how much data it has received?19:06
inetproKilos: you had many other challenges back then19:06
Kilosmoet nog steeds vra vir hulp hele tyd19:06
inetproKilos: dis nie 'n probleem nie19:06
inetprokbmonkey: use vnstat19:07
kbmonkeyek vra maar elka dag ook Kilos 19:07
Kiloslol ja die vlieg smile nou dat die apie hier is. hy kry blaas kans19:07
inetprokbmonkey: ek ook19:07
Kilossee kbmonkey  iwore those two out19:08
Kilosthey spent days with me19:08
Kilosweeks actually19:08
Kilosits a wonder they got any work done19:08
kbmonkeythey had shell shock from all the questions19:08
Kilosin the beginning i was super doff19:09
kbmonkeykilos if you read some of the funny pc support stories online, you will feel like einstein!19:10
* inetpro agrees with kbmonkey19:11
kbmonkeywow lynx is fast19:13
Kiloswget also but when you open it with a browser the browser still steals data even though offline19:14
Kilosso i go offline before opening them now19:15
kbmonkeyi want to monitor lynx and chrome separately and try see the difference in data usage19:15
Kiloswhy would they go fiddle online mif the page is here19:15
kbmonkeylynx == no annoying javascript and plugins and things to steal data19:15
inetprokbmonkey: lynx will win that war by far19:15
kbmonkeybecause some images in html poiont to absolute URL's kilos, it goes online to fetch the image data19:16
kbmonkeymy spelling is bad today. cold fingers.19:16
Kilosyes but those pages i was using were text19:17
Kilosyou just typing too fast19:17
inetproKilos: firefox checks for updates etc19:18
Kilosi have purged ff19:18
Kiloshate the fox19:18
inetproKilos: eish19:18
Kilosalways wants to upgrade as well19:18
inetproothers are worse19:18
inetproKilos: you can disable most of the stuffs19:19
Kilosepiphany hasnt once asked to upgrade in the update manager19:19
inetpronot everyone has your limitations19:19
inetproand updates are a necessary evil these days19:19
Kilosi wonder if the latest upgrade of linux image and all will fix my recovery tool in the grub menu19:20
Kilosbecause pc slow since that broke19:21
Kilosyeah inetpro but the fox has something new every few days19:23
inetproKilos: it depends how you installed it19:23
inetproKilos: and as I said you can disable that19:24
Kilosand normal updates till 2 updates back19:24
inetprojust go to advanced and disabled check for updates19:24
Kilosi will get it again if i ever get to aus 19:24
Kilosbut now every meg counts19:24
Kilosi gonna sukkel if i get there cause you guys will be 8 hours behind19:25
Kiloshaai inetpro hoe gaan dit met die hoender boerdery19:26
inetproKilos: then there's multiple other tricks you can play with19:26
Kilosnie die wat hondekos was nie19:27
inetproHow to Save and Monitor Bandwidth when using Firefox http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-save-and-monitor-bandwidth-when-using-firefox/19:27
Kiloswhat tricks?19:27
Kilosdata stretching tricks?19:27
inetproBlock Images19:27
inetproGo to the Tools >> Options dialog in Firefox. In the content tab, uncheck ‘Load Images Automatically’.19:27
inetproBlock Obtrusive and Bandwidth Consuming ads using Adblock Plus19:28
Kilosnee man for now i will do without the fox19:28
inetproBlock Javascript, Java and other Special Executable Content from running with Noscript19:28
Kilosi had addblock on19:28
inetproCap Download/Upload rates and monitor your bandwidth consumption19:28
inetproens ens19:28
Kilosbut even going to my blog was using data so i stopped that as well;19:28
inetproKilos: my hoenders is ok nou19:28
Kiloshet jy al n paar varkies19:29
inetproek dink daai buurman se honne is moeg van oor die heining spring nou19:29
Kiloshulle word vet op die doeie kuikens19:29
inetproKilos: nee jong, my boerdery gaan maar swak, te min tyd daarvoor19:29
inetproek probeer nog eers weer opvang by die werk voor ek weer allerhande dingetjies begin19:30
Kilosmiskien as jy bietjie ouer is19:30
inetprodie skool het baie van my ure gevreet19:30
Kilosdit lyk my julle werk almal meer as verlede jaar19:30
inetprodit gaan maar dol, altyd meer om te doen as wat daar tyd is in 'n dag om te doen19:31
Kilosirc is maar stil hier by ons deesdae19:31
Kilosen hoe meer jy doen hoe meer verwag die baas19:32
inetproKilos: dis ook waar19:32
inetproaltyd iets nuuts om te leer19:35
Kiloslaaste ding inetpro gebruik evolution ook TCP19:35
inetproKilos: TCP/IP is die hartklop van moderne kommunikasie19:35
kbmonkeyevolution gebruik IMAP or POP depending how it is setup. they use ports 21/22 afaik19:35
Kilosmine is pop19:36
Kiloswhat i mean is it doesnt use one of my browser hey?19:36
Kilosdirect same as irc?19:36
inetproKilos: die browser praat hoofsaaklik met poort 80 na 'n web server19:37
inetproPOP is tipies poort 11019:37
inetproIMAP = ??19:37
Kiloswaar is hierdie poorte19:37
inetproTCP/IP is maar net 'n protokol19:38
inetprohmm... miskien ook nie so eenvoudig nie19:38
inetproeintlik meer 'n stel van protokolle19:39
Kilosbasically evolution will still do mail with all browser purged hey?19:39
inetpromaar die basiese beginsel is dat rekenaars met mekaar gesels met standaard poorte 19:40
inetprodie web server byvoorbeeld sit en wag vir enige rekenaar om met hom te gesels op poort 8019:41
inetpromaar die klient sal byvoorbeeld 'n ander poort nommer gebruik waar die inligting terugvloei19:42
Kilosok dan manne. baie dankie vir al die hulp en kennis. slaap lekker19:45
Kilossee you all tomorrow again19:45
inetproKilos: lekker slaap19:45
kbmonkeygn Kilos 19:45
inetprohmm... so much more that one can/should explain19:46
inetprothough it would probably be better to find a guide like the dummy range19:47
kbmonkeyi never read the dummy range of books, not sure if they worth it?19:48
* inetpro also avoids most stuff that needs to be purchased19:49
inetprothere's so much info available for free19:50
kbmonkeythat ubuntu pocket guide is pretty good!19:50
inetprojust not always in laymans terms19:50
kbmonkeyeverybody has to learn sometime he he19:50
inetproI must find a guide that I save long ago19:51
inetprothink it's at the office19:52
inetproahh... found it19:52
inetproTeach Yourself TCP/IP in 14 Days19:53
kbmonkeysome heavy reading for a friday night.19:53
inetprothat book should be available somewhere on the net19:53
inetprothis stuff is always worth reading again and again20:00
inetproDaryl's TCP/IP Primer  also seems like a good place to start at http://www.ipprimer.com/overview.cfm20:01
* inetpro was playing with iperf at the office today20:07
inetproa very very nice ustility20:08
inetproin fact an excellent open source tool, for testing the throughput between to points on a network20:09
inetprofigured that some of our servers are definitely not working properly20:09
inetpropossibly a switch problem20:10

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