[06:19] morning superfly and others [06:19] marcog, coffee on [06:19] grrr [06:19] morning cocooncrash where is our bot please? [06:20] our/your [06:33] morning Kilos [06:52] morning tumbleweed can you help me please [06:52] http://slexy.org/view/s21FRR0jnT [06:54] Kilos: it's not obvious what the problem is, could be one of many things [06:55] oh my [06:58] and its all through the three diffent recovery modes of the maverick updates [06:59] maybe a clean install [07:02] that'll certainly do the trick [07:02] oh, hang on [07:03] are you saying the only problem is that the text is tiny? [07:03] and it doesnt complete the recovery [07:03] I'm not sure what you mean by "complete the recovery" [07:03] boot to recovery mode just brings you to a menu [07:03] but once i am in maverick text is normal again [07:04] that just sounds like a framebuffer for text mode, so it's using your native resolution [07:04] if you run the recovery mode it does hundreds of checks looks like but now it stops half way [07:04] no, it doesn't sound like it's running any checks, not stopping half way [07:05] oh [07:07] only prob with a clean install is the updates. i have already turned off the last 2 to stretch my data [07:07] I don't see any reason that you'd need to re-install, everything seems fine [07:08] maverick is much slower, and before the recovery used to fix that [07:10] slower than what? [07:10] slower when doing what? [07:11] slower than it was before the power cuts and breaking grub [07:11] from boot to opening evolution and anything else [07:11] how much slower? [07:11] similar to winsucks when baddly fragmented [07:12] well boot alone has gone from 55 secs to 1min 30secs [07:12] sorry, I have no idea what would cause that, but you may find it'll get faster (if ureadahead learns what to read ahead) [07:12] other things maybe 30 secs or a bit more slower than before [07:13] maybe thats whats broken [07:13] * tumbleweed can't help with that [07:13] i will see what i can find [07:13] ty tumbleweed [07:26] good morning [07:26] lo inetpro [07:26] Kilos: hi [09:39] hard in sa without maaz [10:07] Maaz, hello [10:07] Sup Kilos [10:07] Maaz, wb [10:07] Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend [10:08] Maaz, where werte you [10:08] Kilos: Excuse me? [10:08] Maaz, where were you [10:08] Kilos: I am your new robot overlord [10:08] hee hee [10:08] * Kilos dances a jig [10:09] Maaz, coffee on [10:09] * Maaz puts the kettle on [10:12] cocooncrash, ty [10:13] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [10:13] Maaz, gracias amigo [10:13] ¡de nada compadre [10:51] * inetpro getting very hungry [10:52] Maaz: wb [10:52] Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend [11:10] * nlsthzn waves [11:14] hi nlsthzn [11:15] Hey inetpro ... How are things? [11:15] * inetpro enjoying a kfc hawaiin burger meal [11:15] nice [11:22] now that was very nice [11:23] nlsthzn: what you up to on that side? [11:25] Not to much... just had my few days off (which was good, except that I have been unable to switch my day and night back after night shift)... I am back to work tomorrow and I only got up now at 2 pm here :/ [13:28] nlsthzn: eish [13:29] nlsthzn: and you going back to do more night shift? [13:30] inetpro, no, day shift tomorrow... and now I will struggle to sleep tonight... so I will be working on zombie mode :p [13:31] eina [14:55] amanica, hey... you have posted on severedfifth.com right? [15:12] nlsthzn: yeah, thats me [15:12] your name sounded southafrican :) [15:12] and I think I saw you on the ubuntu-za mailinglist recently [15:13] Yup :) (stranger from Severed Fifth Forum btw ;)) [15:13] yeah, figured that [15:13] oh cool :) [15:13] supper time... brb [15:14] thats early. enjoy [15:31] :p not that early where I am [16:46] amanica, he is in the UAE [16:46] coupla hours ahead of us [17:28] ah, Kilos. thx [17:28] yw [17:31] hi kbmonkey hows the studies going [17:32] hello Kilos [17:33] its great! [17:33] thats nice to hear [17:33] its nice to be :) [17:34] Maaz coffee on! [17:34] * Maaz puts the kettle on [17:34] internet was in bad shape so i wrestled with the automated telkom voice prompts. [17:35] ha ha ha [17:35] at least ten voice prompts before you talk to a person. wow [17:35] the cell peeps are just as bad [17:35] very frustrating [17:36] and they like to believe you are stupid so they can feed you anything and you will be happy [17:38] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey! [17:38] aw i was slow [17:38] * Kilos sulks [17:39] ah thanks Maaz [17:40] ah np Kilos i can have a coffee marathon [17:40] Maaz coffee on [17:40] * Maaz puts the kettle on [17:40] lol [17:40] ty [17:40] Maaz, coffee please [17:40] Kilos: Righto [17:42] superfly, do you use dragon player. ian says it needs plugins by him but cant find them [17:42] inetpro, ^^ [17:43] i should never have given ian kubuntu, now im lost [17:44] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos! [17:44] Maaz thanks [17:44] kbmonkey: Sure [17:44] Maaz, dankie man [17:44] Groot plesier my vriend [17:44] never heard of dragon player. video? [17:45] yeah ian says its in his new install [17:45] i use vlc , plays anything [17:46] is that the default player for kubuntu i wonder [17:46] +1 vic vlc [17:46] Maaz, google dragon player in kubuntu natty [17:46] Kilos: "Kubuntu 11.04 Sneak Peek [UDS Cookie] | Apachelogger's Log" http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/ :: "[kubuntu] Dragon Player - no video tearing? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361324 :: "Old Nabble - kubuntu-devel - Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu ..." http://old.nabble.com/Proposals-for-Natty-from-Ubuntu-Italian-User-td30738621.html :: "A newbie's report on Kubun [17:47] Maaz google kubuntu default video player [17:47] kbmonkey: "[kubuntu] Kaffeine black screen & no audio - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1814046 :: "Feature Tour | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour :: "Kubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat :: "Kubuntu Alpha Releases | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-alpha-releases :: "RestrictedFormats - Community Ubuntu Documentatio [17:49] Kilos: he should install kubuntu-restricted-extras, which might be in the "multiverse" repository [17:50] oh ty superfly [17:52] sigh. now he asks if he can do that via cli superfly [17:53] and he not even near the pc [17:53] you can kilos [17:53] lo | [17:53] oh [17:53] Kilos: eh? [17:54] he wants to know can he use cli to get restricted extras [17:54] or has kde got same kinda update manager [17:54] oh [17:54] software centre? [17:54] it does, [17:54] hang on [17:55] ty kbmonkey [17:55] we can give him a link to the ubuntu help that shows how to enable restricted extras on kubuntu [17:56] the cli method would be: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras [17:56] ok that will do ty kbmonkey [17:56] but before that one needs to enable the "multiverse" repo, which ... you...um.. [17:56] i mail this info to him and when he gets a break at work he plays on his pc [17:56] 1) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine [17:56] and [17:57] 2) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats [17:57] those two should do it :) [17:57] dankie man [17:57] yw :) [18:03] kbmonkey, ian says ty very much [18:03] hes my brat [18:04] glad i could help Kilos! [18:05] Kilos: why would one not be able to install packages on the command line? [18:05] i dont open mails i use evolution [18:05] oops [18:06] just the restricted extras superfly [18:06] he doesnt know what command to use to get them [18:06] Kilos: it's a package, just like any other [18:06] and i did it in software centre if i member [18:06] the plugins? [18:07] he has the dragon player but its plugins cant be found [18:08] the codecs to play the videos? those links should fix that. he will likely need internet too [18:09] thats why his pc is at worked they got uncapped [18:19] Kilos: sup? [18:20] lo inetpro ian was sukkling with dragon player and i not a kubuntu guy [18:20] Kilos: kubuntu/ubuntu all the same in the bavk-ends [18:20] i told him to use vlc but he said he already has that thing [18:20] back-ends* [18:21] so where does he come from with this dragon player then [18:22] Kilos: I think it's the default video player or such [18:22] I've never really used it [18:22] what do you use? [18:22] hmmm lets see. i have qemu and kubuntu live iso [18:22] * inetpro is not a multimedia freak [18:23] im a music freak [18:23] ian watches lotsa christian videos [18:23] im quite happy with mpd music player daemon ) [18:23] Kilos you will like this music player. its all cli [18:23] i use vlc for everything [18:23] Kilos: vlc should be ok, though I have found that it's worth installing mplayer in the past [18:24] lol no man ian loves cli i like using my mouse where possible [18:24] ek grap net ;) [18:24] but I think vlc these days should be enough [18:24] vlc even plays .amr stuff of cells [18:25] but dragon player should also be ok, I think [18:25] well we see what he says tomorrow [18:25] he broke his dpkg yesterday [18:26] and today after work i told him about the recovery goody [18:26] and its fixed [18:26] good :) im glad we're not working with dynamite here :) [18:26] his screen goes black after a while and cant find where to tell it not to [18:27] lol [18:27] i shoulda copied kubuntu cd so i could see what he is talking about [18:27] the big thing about this multimedia stuff is that we are still sitting with lots of dmr mentality in the software world [18:28] s/dmr/drm/ [18:28] the minute he saw kde he said he prefers it to gnome so my cd went [18:28] what mentality is that inetpro [18:29] Kilos: it's the defective by design mentality [18:29] hee hee hee [18:29] Digital Rights Management [18:30] it means some people own the rights to play video formats, and you have to pay them if you want to put it in your product. [18:30] ah [18:31] i stick with vlc. even used it on winsucks [18:31] so ubuntu cant put it in by default, because otherwise ubuntu has to pay [18:31] oh i see [18:31] thanks kbmonkey [18:31] die jong mense slim man [18:31] Kilos: that's exactly why [18:32] thats the very simple version. copyright law gets messy very quickly :p [18:32] * inetpro agrees with kbmonkey [18:32] and then you get patents [18:32] even worse [18:33] so many patent trolls popping up lately. makes me cross hey [18:33] too many legal issues in everything nowadays [18:33] i need to go make some tea [18:33] lol [18:34] kbmonkey: watch out, making tea might be patented as well [18:34] hehe [18:34] Maaz, coffee on [18:34] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [18:34] Maaz: coffee please [18:34] inetpro: Righto [18:38] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [18:38] Maaz: ngiyabonga [18:38] inetpro: What? [18:38] lol [18:39] Maaz, thanks man [18:39] Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-) [18:41] Maaz rusks please [18:41] Sorry kbmonkey I only have Romany Creams today [18:41] chocolate! [18:41] Maaz romany creams please!!! [18:41] Only 2 kbmonkey Otherwise no one else gets any [18:41] * kbmonkey chomps [18:42] lol [18:42] hmm... he ate them all? [18:43] some real ones would be good right now [18:43] Maaz, and rusks [18:43] I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are [18:43] yeah i love them cookies [18:43] he lied to me! he hid the rusks and said there only romany's! [18:44] Maaz, dankie man [18:44] Groot plesier my vriend [18:45] he he maaz code TELL_LIES = 1 [18:45] is maaz a pybot? [18:45] * inetpro lol [18:45] still need to make a irc bot [18:45] i made a service bot that worked with mxit then mxit changed their protocol :p [18:46] that must be a massive job [18:46] kbmonkey: http://ibid.omnia.za.net/ [18:46] which was actually just a modified xmpp [18:46] well kilos i wanted to make a word game that us friends could play [18:46] kind of like balderdash [18:47] it was great fun that game! a irc/xmpp version might be fun to make [18:47] where you gonna find the time [18:48] kbmonkey: just join the ibid guys [18:48] i'll have to make it kilos because if i want to find a coding job, i'll need to keep on learning ;) [18:48] ah [18:48] kbmonkey: see also https://launchpad.net/ibid [18:48] thanks inetpro i will have a look! [18:49] kbmonkey, Maaz is an ibid [18:49] ah ibid seems perfect! [18:50] kbmonkey: check who did it [18:51] :) [18:51] who inetpro [18:51] i no go see [18:51] Kilos: https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members [18:52] ok i wget that [18:52] oh yes [18:53] kbmonkey, what was the -o after wget for [18:53] i read man but it above me [18:53] Kilos: members are Jonathan Hitchcock, Max Rabkin, Michael Gorven, Russell Cloran & Stefano Rivera [18:54] all our guys [18:54] i dunno max [18:54] or russel [18:55] wget --help should tell you the options, i cant remember [18:56] Kilos: lynx is much easier than wget [18:56] lynx https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members [18:56] yes Kilos i know you said lynx is confusing but once you used to it... :) [18:56] you just put that in cli? [18:57] Kilos: yep [18:57] and to quit lynx is just q [18:57] write down the 5 commands you most likely to use, like go to a url, moving around a page, and following links. [18:57] wow i was opening it and then trying to work things out [18:57] then use those for a day, and go back and write down more commands you might use [18:58] il learn it with you he he. [18:58] ok [18:58] lol [18:58] actually to quit lynx is q and q again [18:58] its easy if you just put that in cli [18:58] or a single capital Q [18:59] Kilos: once inside lynx just press h for help [18:59] so just remember q for quit and h for help [19:00] ok looks good so far [19:01] im installing lynx now [19:01] oh.. tea... [19:02] Kilos: then you go and and down to highlight a link and press -> to follow the link or <- to go back [19:02] oops, go up and down to highlight [19:02] oh i entered [19:02] yes [19:03] ? for help. i like this. [19:04] even got help for beginners [19:04] Kilos: better help than most other software [19:05] remember we tried it over a year ago [19:05] but i have forgotten it all [19:05] Kilos: remember you have come a very long way [19:05] was spoiled with lotsa data [19:06] nee man ek sukkel nog [19:06] does lynx keep track of how much data it has received? [19:06] Kilos: you had many other challenges back then [19:06] moet nog steeds vra vir hulp hele tyd [19:06] Kilos: dis nie 'n probleem nie [19:07] kbmonkey: use vnstat [19:07] ek vra maar elka dag ook Kilos [19:07] lol ja die vlieg smile nou dat die apie hier is. hy kry blaas kans [19:07] kbmonkey: ek ook [19:07] lol [19:08] see kbmonkey iwore those two out [19:08] they spent days with me [19:08] weeks actually [19:08] its a wonder they got any work done [19:08] they had shell shock from all the questions [19:08] haha [19:09] in the beginning i was super doff [19:10] kilos if you read some of the funny pc support stories online, you will feel like einstein! [19:10] ;) [19:11] * inetpro agrees with kbmonkey [19:13] wow lynx is fast [19:14] wget also but when you open it with a browser the browser still steals data even though offline [19:15] yes [19:15] so i go offline before opening them now [19:15] i want to monitor lynx and chrome separately and try see the difference in data usage [19:15] why would they go fiddle online mif the page is here [19:15] lynx == no annoying javascript and plugins and things to steal data [19:15] kbmonkey: lynx will win that war by far [19:16] because some images in html poiont to absolute URL's kilos, it goes online to fetch the image data [19:16] my spelling is bad today. cold fingers. [19:17] yes but those pages i was using were text [19:17] you just typing too fast [19:18] Kilos: firefox checks for updates etc [19:18] i have purged ff [19:18] hate the fox [19:18] Kilos: eish [19:18] always wants to upgrade as well [19:18] others are worse [19:18] what?? [19:18] no [19:19] Kilos: you can disable most of the stuffs [19:19] epiphany hasnt once asked to upgrade in the update manager [19:19] not everyone has your limitations [19:19] and updates are a necessary evil these days [19:20] i wonder if the latest upgrade of linux image and all will fix my recovery tool in the grub menu [19:21] because pc slow since that broke [19:23] yeah inetpro but the fox has something new every few days [19:23] Kilos: it depends how you installed it [19:23] default [19:24] Kilos: and as I said you can disable that [19:24] and normal updates till 2 updates back [19:24] just go to advanced and disabled check for updates [19:24] i will get it again if i ever get to aus [19:24] disable* [19:24] but now every meg counts [19:25] i gonna sukkel if i get there cause you guys will be 8 hours behind [19:26] haai inetpro hoe gaan dit met die hoender boerdery [19:26] Kilos: then there's multiple other tricks you can play with [19:27] nie die wat hondekos was nie [19:27] How to Save and Monitor Bandwidth when using Firefox http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-save-and-monitor-bandwidth-when-using-firefox/ [19:27] what tricks? [19:27] data stretching tricks? [19:27] Block Images [19:27] Go to the Tools >> Options dialog in Firefox. In the content tab, uncheck ‘Load Images Automatically’. [19:28] Block Obtrusive and Bandwidth Consuming ads using Adblock Plus [19:28] nee man for now i will do without the fox [19:28] Block Javascript, Java and other Special Executable Content from running with Noscript [19:28] i had addblock on [19:28] Cap Download/Upload rates and monitor your bandwidth consumption [19:28] ens ens [19:28] but even going to my blog was using data so i stopped that as well; [19:28] Kilos: my hoenders is ok nou [19:29] het jy al n paar varkies [19:29] ek dink daai buurman se honne is moeg van oor die heining spring nou [19:29] hulle word vet op die doeie kuikens [19:29] lol [19:29] Kilos: nee jong, my boerdery gaan maar swak, te min tyd daarvoor [19:30] ek probeer nog eers weer opvang by die werk voor ek weer allerhande dingetjies begin [19:30] miskien as jy bietjie ouer is [19:30] lol [19:30] die skool het baie van my ure gevreet [19:30] dit lyk my julle werk almal meer as verlede jaar [19:31] dit gaan maar dol, altyd meer om te doen as wat daar tyd is in 'n dag om te doen [19:31] irc is maar stil hier by ons deesdae [19:32] en hoe meer jy doen hoe meer verwag die baas [19:32] grrr [19:32] Kilos: dis ook waar [19:35] altyd iets nuuts om te leer [19:35] laaste ding inetpro gebruik evolution ook TCP [19:35] Kilos: TCP/IP is die hartklop van moderne kommunikasie [19:35] evolution gebruik IMAP or POP depending how it is setup. they use ports 21/22 afaik [19:36] mine is pop [19:36] what i mean is it doesnt use one of my browser hey? [19:36] direct same as irc? [19:37] Kilos: die browser praat hoofsaaklik met poort 80 na 'n web server [19:37] POP is tipies poort 110 [19:37] IMAP = ?? [19:37] waar is hierdie poorte [19:38] TCP/IP is maar net 'n protokol [19:38] hmm... miskien ook nie so eenvoudig nie [19:39] eintlik meer 'n stel van protokolle [19:39] basically evolution will still do mail with all browser purged hey? [19:40]