[06:19] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:19] <Kilos> marcog, coffee on
[06:19] <Kilos> grrr
[06:19] <Kilos> morning cocooncrash where is our bot please?
[06:20] <Kilos> our/your
[06:33] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:52] <Kilos> morning tumbleweed can you help me please
[06:52] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21FRR0jnT
[06:54] <tumbleweed> Kilos: it's not obvious what the problem is, could be one of many things
[06:55] <Kilos> oh my
[06:58] <Kilos> and its all through the three diffent recovery modes of the maverick updates
[06:59] <Kilos> maybe a clean install
[07:02] <tumbleweed> that'll certainly do the trick
[07:02] <tumbleweed> oh, hang on
[07:03] <tumbleweed> are you saying the only problem is that the text is tiny?
[07:03] <Kilos> and it doesnt complete the recovery
[07:03] <tumbleweed> I'm not sure what you mean by "complete the recovery"
[07:03] <tumbleweed> boot to recovery mode just brings you to a menu
[07:03] <Kilos> but once i am in maverick text is normal again
[07:04] <tumbleweed> that just sounds like a framebuffer for text mode, so it's using your native resolution
[07:04] <Kilos> if you run the recovery mode it does hundreds of checks looks like but now it stops half way
[07:04] <tumbleweed> no, it doesn't sound like it's running any checks, not stopping half way
[07:05] <Kilos> oh
[07:07] <Kilos> only prob with a clean install is the updates. i have already turned off the last 2 to stretch my data
[07:07] <tumbleweed> I don't see any reason that you'd need to re-install, everything seems fine
[07:08] <Kilos> maverick is much slower, and before the recovery used to fix that
[07:10] <tumbleweed> slower than what?
[07:10] <tumbleweed> slower when doing what?
[07:11] <Kilos> slower than it was before the power cuts and breaking grub
[07:11] <Kilos> from boot to opening evolution and anything else
[07:11] <tumbleweed> how much slower?
[07:11] <Kilos> similar to winsucks when baddly fragmented
[07:12] <Kilos> well boot alone has gone from 55 secs to 1min 30secs
[07:12] <tumbleweed> sorry, I have no idea what would cause that, but you may find it'll get faster (if ureadahead learns what to read ahead)
[07:12] <Kilos> other things maybe 30 secs or a bit more slower than before
[07:13] <Kilos> maybe thats whats broken
[07:13]  * tumbleweed can't help with that
[07:13] <Kilos> i will see what i can find
[07:13] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[07:26] <inetpro> good morning
[07:26] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[07:26] <inetpro> Kilos: hi
[09:39] <Kilos> hard in sa without maaz
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz, hello
[10:07] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz, wb
[10:07] <Maaz> Thank you so much Kilos my good good friend
[10:08] <Kilos> Maaz, where werte you
[10:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[10:08] <Kilos> Maaz, where were you
[10:08] <Maaz> Kilos: I am your new robot overlord
[10:08] <Kilos> hee hee
[10:08]  * Kilos dances a jig
[10:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:09]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:12] <Kilos> cocooncrash, ty
[10:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[10:13] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[10:51]  * inetpro getting very hungry
[10:52] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[10:52] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[11:10]  * nlsthzn waves
[11:14] <inetpro> hi nlsthzn
[11:15] <nlsthzn> Hey inetpro ... How are things?
[11:15]  * inetpro enjoying a kfc hawaiin burger meal
[11:15] <nlsthzn> nice
[11:22] <inetpro> now that was very nice
[11:23] <inetpro> nlsthzn: what you up to on that side?
[11:25] <nlsthzn> Not to much... just had my few days off (which was good, except that I have been unable to switch my day and night back after night shift)... I am back to work tomorrow and I only got up now at 2 pm here :/
[13:28] <inetpro> nlsthzn: eish
[13:29] <inetpro> nlsthzn: and you going back to do more night shift?
[13:30] <nlsthzn> inetpro, no, day shift tomorrow... and now I will struggle to sleep tonight... so I will be working on zombie mode :p
[13:31] <inetpro> eina
[14:55] <nlsthzn> amanica, hey... you have posted on severedfifth.com right?
[15:12] <amanica> nlsthzn: yeah, thats me
[15:12] <amanica> your name sounded southafrican :)
[15:12] <amanica> and I think I saw you on the ubuntu-za mailinglist recently
[15:13] <nlsthzn> Yup :) (stranger from Severed Fifth Forum btw ;))
[15:13] <amanica> yeah, figured that
[15:13] <nlsthzn> oh cool :)
[15:13] <nlsthzn> supper time... brb
[15:14] <amanica> thats early. enjoy
[15:31] <nlsthzn> :p not that early where I am 
[16:46] <Kilos> amanica, he is in the UAE
[16:46] <Kilos> coupla hours ahead of us
[17:28] <amanica> ah, Kilos. thx
[17:28] <Kilos> yw
[17:31] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey hows the studies going
[17:32] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[17:33] <kbmonkey> its great!
[17:33] <Kilos> thats nice to hear
[17:33] <kbmonkey> its nice to be :)
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on!
[17:34]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:34] <kbmonkey> internet was in bad shape so i wrestled with the automated telkom voice prompts. 
[17:35] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:35] <kbmonkey> at least ten voice prompts before you talk to a person. wow
[17:35] <Kilos> the cell peeps are just as bad
[17:35] <Kilos> very frustrating
[17:36] <Kilos> and they like to believe you are stupid so they can feed you anything and you will be happy
[17:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[17:38] <Kilos> aw i was slow
[17:38]  * Kilos sulks
[17:39] <kbmonkey> ah thanks Maaz 
[17:40] <kbmonkey> ah np Kilos i can have a coffee marathon
[17:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[17:40]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:40] <Kilos> lol
[17:40] <Kilos> ty
[17:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:40] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[17:42] <Kilos> superfly, do you use dragon player. ian says it needs plugins by him but cant find them
[17:42] <Kilos> inetpro, ^^
[17:43] <Kilos> i should never have given ian kubuntu, now im lost
[17:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[17:44] <kbmonkey> Maaz thanks 
[17:44] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[17:44] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[17:44] <kbmonkey> never heard of dragon player. video?
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah ian says its in his new install
[17:45] <Kilos> i use vlc , plays anything
[17:46] <kbmonkey> is that the default player for kubuntu i wonder
[17:46] <kbmonkey> +1 vic vlc
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz, google dragon player in kubuntu natty
[17:46] <Maaz> Kilos: "Kubuntu 11.04 Sneak Peek [UDS Cookie] | Apachelogger's Log" http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/ :: "[kubuntu] Dragon Player - no video tearing? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1361324 :: "Old Nabble - kubuntu-devel - Proposals for Natty from Ubuntu ..." http://old.nabble.com/Proposals-for-Natty-from-Ubuntu-Italian-User-td30738621.html :: "A newbie's report on Kubun
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Maaz google kubuntu default video player
[17:47] <Maaz> kbmonkey: "[kubuntu] Kaffeine black screen & no audio - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1814046 :: "Feature Tour | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour :: "Kubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat :: "Kubuntu Alpha Releases | Kubuntu" http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-alpha-releases :: "RestrictedFormats - Community Ubuntu Documentatio
[17:49] <superfly> Kilos: he should install kubuntu-restricted-extras, which might be in the "multiverse" repository
[17:50] <Kilos> oh ty superfly 
[17:52] <Kilos> sigh. now he asks if he can do that via cli superfly 
[17:53] <Kilos> and he not even near the pc
[17:53] <kbmonkey> you can kilos
[17:53] <Kilos> lo |
[17:53] <kbmonkey> oh
[17:53] <superfly> Kilos: eh?
[17:54] <Kilos> he wants to know can he use cli to get restricted extras
[17:54] <Kilos> or has kde got same kinda update manager
[17:54] <Kilos> oh
[17:54] <Kilos> software centre?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> it does, 
[17:54] <kbmonkey> hang on
[17:55] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[17:55] <kbmonkey> we can give him a link to the ubuntu help that shows how to enable restricted extras on kubuntu
[17:56] <kbmonkey> the cli method would be: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:56] <Kilos> ok that will do ty kbmonkey 
[17:56] <kbmonkey> but before that one needs to enable the "multiverse" repo, which ... you...um..
[17:56] <Kilos> i mail this info to him and when he gets a break at work he plays on his pc
[17:56] <kbmonkey> 1) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[17:56] <kbmonkey> and
[17:57] <kbmonkey> 2) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[17:57] <kbmonkey> those two should do it :)
[17:57] <Kilos> dankie man
[17:57] <kbmonkey> yw :)
[18:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ian says ty very much
[18:03] <Kilos> hes my brat
[18:04] <kbmonkey> glad i could help Kilos!
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: why would one not be able to install packages on the command line?
[18:05] <Kilos> i dont open mails i use evolution
[18:05] <Kilos> oops
[18:06] <Kilos> just the restricted extras superfly 
[18:06] <Kilos> he doesnt know what command to use to get them
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: it's a package, just like any other
[18:06] <Kilos> and i did it in software centre if i member
[18:06] <Kilos> the plugins?
[18:07] <Kilos> he has the dragon player but its plugins cant be found
[18:08] <kbmonkey> the codecs to play the videos? those links should fix that. he will likely need internet too
[18:09] <Kilos> thats why his pc is at worked they got uncapped
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: sup?
[18:20] <Kilos> lo inetpro ian was sukkling with dragon player and i not a kubuntu guy
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: kubuntu/ubuntu all the same in the bavk-ends
[18:20] <Kilos> i told him to use vlc but he said he already has that thing
[18:20] <inetpro> back-ends*
[18:21] <Kilos> so where does he come from with this dragon player then
[18:22] <inetpro> Kilos: I think it's the default video player or such
[18:22] <inetpro> I've never really used it
[18:22] <Kilos> what do you use?
[18:22] <kbmonkey> hmmm lets see. i have qemu and kubuntu live iso
[18:22]  * inetpro is not a multimedia freak
[18:23] <kbmonkey> im a music freak
[18:23] <Kilos> ian watches lotsa christian videos
[18:23] <kbmonkey> im quite happy with mpd music player daemon )
[18:23] <kbmonkey> Kilos you will like this music player. its all cli
[18:23] <Kilos> i use vlc for everything
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: vlc should be ok, though I have found that it's worth installing mplayer in the past
[18:24] <Kilos> lol no man ian loves cli i like using my mouse where possible
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ek grap net ;)
[18:24] <inetpro> but I think vlc these days should be enough
[18:24] <Kilos> vlc even plays .amr stuff of cells
[18:25] <inetpro> but dragon player should also be ok, I think
[18:25] <Kilos> well we see what he says tomorrow
[18:25] <Kilos> he broke his dpkg yesterday
[18:26] <Kilos> and today after work i told him about the recovery goody
[18:26] <Kilos> and its fixed
[18:26] <kbmonkey> good :) im glad we're not working with dynamite here :)
[18:26] <Kilos> his screen goes black after a while and cant find where to tell it not to
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> i shoulda copied kubuntu cd so i could see what he is talking about
[18:27] <inetpro> the big thing about this multimedia stuff is that we are still sitting with lots of dmr mentality in the software world
[18:28] <inetpro> s/dmr/drm/
[18:28] <Kilos> the minute he saw kde he said he prefers it to gnome so my cd went
[18:28] <Kilos> what mentality is that inetpro 
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: it's the defective by design mentality
[18:29] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[18:29] <inetpro> Digital Rights Management
[18:30] <kbmonkey> it means some people own the rights to play video formats, and you have to pay them if you want to put it in your product.
[18:30] <Kilos> ah
[18:31] <Kilos> i stick with vlc. even used it on winsucks
[18:31] <kbmonkey> so ubuntu cant put it in by default, because otherwise ubuntu has to pay
[18:31] <Kilos> oh i see
[18:31] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey
[18:31] <Kilos> die jong mense slim man
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: that's exactly why
[18:32] <kbmonkey> thats the very simple version. copyright law gets messy very quickly :p
[18:32]  * inetpro agrees with kbmonkey
[18:32] <inetpro> and then you get patents
[18:32] <inetpro> even worse
[18:33] <kbmonkey> so many patent trolls popping up lately. makes me cross hey
[18:33] <Kilos> too many legal issues in everything nowadays
[18:33] <kbmonkey> i need to go make some tea
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:34] <inetpro> kbmonkey: watch out, making tea might be patented as well
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[18:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[18:38] <inetpro> Maaz: ngiyabonga
[18:38] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz rusks please
[18:41] <Maaz> Sorry kbmonkey I only have Romany Creams today
[18:41] <kbmonkey> chocolate!
[18:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz romany creams please!!!
[18:41] <Maaz> Only 2 kbmonkey Otherwise no one else gets any
[18:41]  * kbmonkey chomps
[18:42] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm... he ate them all?
[18:43] <kbmonkey> some real ones would be good right now
[18:43] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[18:43] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[18:43] <Kilos> yeah i love them cookies
[18:43] <kbmonkey> he lied to me! he hid the rusks and said there only romany's!
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[18:44] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[18:45] <kbmonkey> he he maaz code TELL_LIES = 1
[18:45] <kbmonkey> is maaz a pybot?
[18:45]  * inetpro lol
[18:45] <kbmonkey> still need to make a irc bot
[18:45] <kbmonkey> i made a service bot that worked with mxit then mxit changed their protocol :p
[18:46] <Kilos> that must be a massive job
[18:46] <inetpro> kbmonkey: http://ibid.omnia.za.net/
[18:46] <kbmonkey> which was actually just a modified xmpp
[18:46] <kbmonkey> well kilos i wanted to make a word game that us friends could play
[18:46] <kbmonkey> kind of like balderdash
[18:47] <kbmonkey> it was great fun that game! a irc/xmpp version might be fun to make
[18:47] <Kilos> where you gonna find the time
[18:48] <inetpro> kbmonkey: just join the ibid guys
[18:48] <kbmonkey> i'll have to make it kilos because if i want to find a coding job, i'll need to keep on learning ;)
[18:48] <Kilos> ah
[18:48] <inetpro> kbmonkey: see also https://launchpad.net/ibid
[18:48] <kbmonkey> thanks inetpro i will have a look!
[18:49] <Kilos> kbmonkey, Maaz is an ibid
[18:49] <kbmonkey> ah ibid seems perfect!
[18:50] <inetpro> kbmonkey: check who did it
[18:51] <kbmonkey> :)
[18:51] <Kilos> who inetpro 
[18:51] <Kilos> i no go see
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members
[18:52] <Kilos> ok i wget that
[18:52] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:53] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what was the -o after wget for
[18:53] <Kilos> i read man but it above me
[18:53] <inetpro> Kilos: members are Jonathan Hitchcock, Max Rabkin, Michael Gorven, Russell Cloran & Stefano Rivera
[18:54] <Kilos> all our guys
[18:54] <Kilos> i dunno max
[18:54] <Kilos> or russel
[18:55] <kbmonkey> wget --help should tell you the options, i cant remember
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: lynx is much easier than wget
[18:56] <inetpro> lynx https://launchpad.net/~ibid-core/+members
[18:56] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos i know you said lynx is confusing but once you used to it... :)
[18:56] <Kilos> you just put that in cli?
[18:57] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[18:57] <inetpro> and to quit lynx is just q
[18:57] <kbmonkey> write down the 5 commands you most likely to use, like go to a url, moving around a page, and following links. 
[18:57] <Kilos> wow i was opening it and then trying to work things out
[18:57] <kbmonkey> then use those for a day, and go back and write down more commands you might use
[18:58] <kbmonkey> il learn it with you he he. 
[18:58] <Kilos> ok
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[18:58] <inetpro> actually to quit lynx is q and q again
[18:58] <Kilos> its easy if you just put that in cli
[18:58] <inetpro> or a single capital Q
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: once inside lynx just press h for help
[18:59] <inetpro> so just remember q for quit and h for help
[19:00] <Kilos> ok looks good so far
[19:01] <kbmonkey> im installing lynx now
[19:01] <kbmonkey> oh.. tea...
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: then you go and and down to highlight a link and press -> to follow the link or <- to go back
[19:02] <inetpro> oops, go up and down to highlight
[19:02] <Kilos> oh i entered
[19:02] <Kilos> yes
[19:03] <kbmonkey> ? for help. i like this.
[19:04] <Kilos> even got help for beginners
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: better help than most other software
[19:05] <Kilos> remember we tried it over a year ago
[19:05] <Kilos> but i have forgotten it all
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: remember you have come a very long way
[19:05] <Kilos> was spoiled with lotsa data
[19:06] <Kilos> nee man ek sukkel nog
[19:06] <kbmonkey> does lynx keep track of how much data it has received?
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: you had many other challenges back then
[19:06] <Kilos> moet nog steeds vra vir hulp hele tyd
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: dis nie 'n probleem nie
[19:07] <inetpro> kbmonkey: use vnstat
[19:07] <kbmonkey> ek vra maar elka dag ook Kilos 
[19:07] <Kilos> lol ja die vlieg smile nou dat die apie hier is. hy kry blaas kans
[19:07] <inetpro> kbmonkey: ek ook
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:08] <Kilos> see kbmonkey  iwore those two out
[19:08] <Kilos> they spent days with me
[19:08] <Kilos> weeks actually
[19:08] <Kilos> its a wonder they got any work done
[19:08] <kbmonkey> they had shell shock from all the questions
[19:08] <inetpro> haha
[19:09] <Kilos> in the beginning i was super doff
[19:10] <kbmonkey> kilos if you read some of the funny pc support stories online, you will feel like einstein!
[19:10] <kbmonkey> ;)
[19:11]  * inetpro agrees with kbmonkey
[19:13] <kbmonkey> wow lynx is fast
[19:14] <Kilos> wget also but when you open it with a browser the browser still steals data even though offline
[19:15] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:15] <Kilos> so i go offline before opening them now
[19:15] <kbmonkey> i want to monitor lynx and chrome separately and try see the difference in data usage
[19:15] <Kilos> why would they go fiddle online mif the page is here
[19:15] <kbmonkey> lynx == no annoying javascript and plugins and things to steal data
[19:15] <inetpro> kbmonkey: lynx will win that war by far
[19:16] <kbmonkey> because some images in html poiont to absolute URL's kilos, it goes online to fetch the image data
[19:16] <kbmonkey> my spelling is bad today. cold fingers.
[19:17] <Kilos> yes but those pages i was using were text
[19:17] <Kilos> you just typing too fast
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: firefox checks for updates etc
[19:18] <Kilos> i have purged ff
[19:18] <Kilos> hate the fox
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: eish
[19:18] <Kilos> always wants to upgrade as well
[19:18] <inetpro> others are worse
[19:18] <Kilos> what??
[19:18] <Kilos> no
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: you can disable most of the stuffs
[19:19] <Kilos> epiphany hasnt once asked to upgrade in the update manager
[19:19] <inetpro> not everyone has your limitations
[19:19] <inetpro> and updates are a necessary evil these days
[19:20] <Kilos> i wonder if the latest upgrade of linux image and all will fix my recovery tool in the grub menu
[19:21] <Kilos> because pc slow since that broke
[19:23] <Kilos> yeah inetpro but the fox has something new every few days
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: it depends how you installed it
[19:23] <Kilos> default
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: and as I said you can disable that
[19:24] <Kilos> and normal updates till 2 updates back
[19:24] <inetpro> just go to advanced and disabled check for updates
[19:24] <Kilos> i will get it again if i ever get to aus 
[19:24] <inetpro> disable*
[19:24] <Kilos> but now every meg counts
[19:25] <Kilos> i gonna sukkel if i get there cause you guys will be 8 hours behind
[19:26] <Kilos> haai inetpro hoe gaan dit met die hoender boerdery
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: then there's multiple other tricks you can play with
[19:27] <Kilos> nie die wat hondekos was nie
[19:27] <inetpro> How to Save and Monitor Bandwidth when using Firefox http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-save-and-monitor-bandwidth-when-using-firefox/
[19:27] <Kilos> what tricks?
[19:27] <Kilos> data stretching tricks?
[19:27] <inetpro> Block Images
[19:27] <inetpro> Go to the Tools >> Options dialog in Firefox. In the content tab, uncheck ‘Load Images Automatically’.
[19:28] <inetpro> Block Obtrusive and Bandwidth Consuming ads using Adblock Plus
[19:28] <Kilos> nee man for now i will do without the fox
[19:28] <inetpro> Block Javascript, Java and other Special Executable Content from running with Noscript
[19:28] <Kilos> i had addblock on
[19:28] <inetpro> Cap Download/Upload rates and monitor your bandwidth consumption
[19:28] <inetpro> ens ens
[19:28] <Kilos> but even going to my blog was using data so i stopped that as well;
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: my hoenders is ok nou
[19:29] <Kilos> het jy al n paar varkies
[19:29] <inetpro> ek dink daai buurman se honne is moeg van oor die heining spring nou
[19:29] <Kilos> hulle word vet op die doeie kuikens
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: nee jong, my boerdery gaan maar swak, te min tyd daarvoor
[19:30] <inetpro> ek probeer nog eers weer opvang by die werk voor ek weer allerhande dingetjies begin
[19:30] <Kilos> miskien as jy bietjie ouer is
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <inetpro> die skool het baie van my ure gevreet
[19:30] <Kilos> dit lyk my julle werk almal meer as verlede jaar
[19:31] <inetpro> dit gaan maar dol, altyd meer om te doen as wat daar tyd is in 'n dag om te doen
[19:31] <Kilos> irc is maar stil hier by ons deesdae
[19:32] <Kilos> en hoe meer jy doen hoe meer verwag die baas
[19:32] <Kilos> grrr
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: dis ook waar
[19:35] <inetpro> altyd iets nuuts om te leer
[19:35] <Kilos> laaste ding inetpro gebruik evolution ook TCP
[19:35] <inetpro> Kilos: TCP/IP is die hartklop van moderne kommunikasie
[19:35] <kbmonkey> evolution gebruik IMAP or POP depending how it is setup. they use ports 21/22 afaik
[19:36] <Kilos> mine is pop
[19:36] <Kilos> what i mean is it doesnt use one of my browser hey?
[19:36] <Kilos> direct same as irc?
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: die browser praat hoofsaaklik met poort 80 na 'n web server
[19:37] <inetpro> POP is tipies poort 110
[19:37] <inetpro> IMAP = ??
[19:37] <Kilos> waar is hierdie poorte
[19:38] <inetpro> TCP/IP is maar net 'n protokol
[19:38] <inetpro> hmm... miskien ook nie so eenvoudig nie
[19:39] <inetpro> eintlik meer 'n stel van protokolle
[19:39] <Kilos> basically evolution will still do mail with all browser purged hey?
[19:40] <inetpro> maar die basiese beginsel is dat rekenaars met mekaar gesels met standaard poorte 
[19:41] <inetpro> die web server byvoorbeeld sit en wag vir enige rekenaar om met hom te gesels op poort 80
[19:41] <Kilos> ok
[19:42] <inetpro> maar die klient sal byvoorbeeld 'n ander poort nommer gebruik waar die inligting terugvloei
[19:45] <Kilos> ok dan manne. baie dankie vir al die hulp en kennis. slaap lekker
[19:45] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow again
[19:45] <inetpro> Kilos: lekker slaap
[19:45] <Kilos> dankie
[19:45] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos 
[19:46] <inetpro> hmm... so much more that one can/should explain
[19:47] <inetpro> though it would probably be better to find a guide like the dummy range
[19:48] <kbmonkey> i never read the dummy range of books, not sure if they worth it?
[19:49]  * inetpro also avoids most stuff that needs to be purchased
[19:50] <inetpro> there's so much info available for free
[19:50] <kbmonkey> that ubuntu pocket guide is pretty good!
[19:50] <inetpro> just not always in laymans terms
[19:50] <kbmonkey> everybody has to learn sometime he he
[19:51] <inetpro> I must find a guide that I save long ago
[19:51] <inetpro> saved*
[19:52] <inetpro> think it's at the office
[19:52] <inetpro> ahh... found it
[19:53] <inetpro> Teach Yourself TCP/IP in 14 Days
[19:53] <kbmonkey> some heavy reading for a friday night.
[19:53] <inetpro> that book should be available somewhere on the net
[20:00] <inetpro> this stuff is always worth reading again and again
[20:01] <inetpro> Daryl's TCP/IP Primer  also seems like a good place to start at http://www.ipprimer.com/overview.cfm
[20:07]  * inetpro was playing with iperf at the office today
[20:08] <inetpro> a very very nice ustility
[20:09] <inetpro> in fact an excellent open source tool, for testing the throughput between to points on a network
[20:09] <inetpro> figured that some of our servers are definitely not working properly
[20:10] <inetpro> possibly a switch problem