[00:08] <GridCube> charlie-tca, i think i have 6 of the top 10 now :)
[00:09] <charlie-tca> gaining fast then! Glad to hear there is progress
[00:11] <micahg> I finally got normal notifications back, somehow the type of notification got set to something crazy
[00:12]  * micahg is guessing he's going to have to see libindicate-gtk2 now
[00:13] <micahg> *seed
[00:16] <GridCube> i particulary like number six: Q: Can I edit the Start Menu? A: nope.
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Let's give ochosi time to get back, and mr_pouit.
[00:16] <micahg> huh? I thought we shipped something to do that
[00:17] <knome> GridCube, "A: You can use a menu editor of your choice to do that, for example Alacarte."
[00:17] <GridCube> what is alacarte?
[00:17] <GridCube> and how you install it?
[00:18] <charlie-tca> GridCube: your A: is wrong
[00:18] <knome> alacarte is a menu editing application
[00:18] <knome> sudo apt-get install alacarte
[00:18] <charlie-tca> For Xfce 4.8, 'sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends' in a terminal will let you use an editor to change the menus.
[00:18] <micahg> yes, but it'll pull in the gnome stack
[00:18] <micahg> right
[00:19] <charlie-tca> without the --no-install-recommends, it will pull in too much
[00:19] <knome> right, i've disabled installing the recommended packages altogether
[00:19] <knome> ;)
[00:19] <charlie-tca> GridCube: that is valid for both 11.04 and 11.10
[00:19] <GridCube> and for 10.04 as i just tested it
[00:20] <GridCube> well, at least the sudo apt-get part, but it wants me to download 160MB thats a bit too much
[00:20] <GridCube> and pretty ridicule for just editing a menu
[00:21] <knome> alacarte won't edit the xubuntu menu prior to 11.04
[00:21] <GridCube> oh then its useless
[00:21] <charlie-tca> you still running 10.04?
[00:22] <GridCube> also the no-install-recommends avoided the 160b
[00:22] <GridCube> mb
[00:22] <GridCube> yes
[00:22] <GridCube> i use 10.04
[00:22] <charlie-tca> GridCube: For Xfce 4.8, 'sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends' in a terminal will let you use an editor to change the menus.
[00:22] <charlie-tca> GridCube: that would be 11.04 and higher
[00:22] <GridCube> copy pasted it
[13:15] <charlie-tca> micahg: bug 824299 closed as fixed again
[13:22] <charlie-tca> We have desktop images, but my zsync started at 58% complete today. Going to be a while to get them here.
[13:43] <charlie-tca> micahg_: Is there a way for us to get this fix for ristretto pulled and put into to both 11.04 and 11.10?
[13:43] <charlie-tca> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7882
[13:44] <charlie-tca> Probably have to wait for it to hit Debian?
[13:44] <charlie-tca> Seems like a good thing to get, though
[13:50] <astraljava> I was at 59.4%
[13:51] <charlie-tca> oh, 386?
[13:51] <charlie-tca> I need to know if lightdm changed at all for us. 
[13:52] <charlie-tca> and whether or not we can actually login today
[13:52] <charlie-tca> and the good news is... I need to update and reinstall vbox, again
[13:56] <charlie-tca> Release team meeting in about 1 hour, won't have results since I don't have the full images yet
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Okay, I asked this on the bug report, but will ask again. Is it possible to pin the gnome-system-tools package from 11.04 to 11.10 so users-admin does not require mixed gtk2 and gtk3?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> bug 789333
[14:42] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yeah, i386, cause I intend to test on real hw, and it's 32-bit only.
[14:42] <charlie-tca> I have the advantage then. I have both machines
[14:43] <charlie-tca> I just have this painfully slow internet
[14:43] <astraljava> I do have a laptop and a desktop for amd64 usage, but those are for different purposes. But I should just add a few more disks for the desktop, so I could install more.
[14:44] <astraljava> Did you mean g-system-tools as for the image or just locally, for yourself?
[14:44] <micahg_> charlie-tca: oneiric, sure, natty, if there's a test case
[14:47] <charlie-tca> I mean gnome-system-tools as in System -> Users and Groups
[14:47] <charlie-tca> You can not add a user 
[14:47] <charlie-tca> which, if we are really going to provide the interface for users, needs to work
[14:47] <charlie-tca> micahg: I will have to find the natty bug
[14:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: users-admin needs to be gtk3
[14:48] <charlie-tca> why?
[14:48] <micahg> to work with the rest of gnome
[14:48] <charlie-tca> According to the bug report, it is up to those planning to use it to make it work
[14:49] <astraljava> So what components bring GNOME3 libs in at this moment?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: so, are we going to have to add tons of gnome3 to get that working for us now?
[14:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: oops, you're right
[14:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: the problem is the libs it needs are now GNOME3 libs
[14:50] <charlie-tca> If we have to fix it, can't we just use the natty package?
[14:50] <micahg> it's still a gnome2 app
[14:50] <charlie-tca> it worked
[14:50] <micahg> that's what's in oneiric :)
[14:50] <charlie-tca> oh
[14:50] <charlie-tca> I knew my thinking was faulty again
[14:50]  * astraljava is just soooo confused now
[14:51] <charlie-tca> astraljava: next install, try adding a new user or group
[14:51]  * micahg will have to chat with gilir about this
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Okay, I would like it working for beta1
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Is that possible?
[14:52] <charlie-tca> or at least we can project that?
[14:52] <charlie-tca> might be beta2, but milestones are movable
[15:09] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, let
[15:09] <micahg> s  see what deps are needed, we could always look for a different tool as well
[15:10] <charlie-tca> I agree
[15:26] <micahg> but Lubuntu is in the same boat which is a plus for us :)
[15:27] <charlie-tca>  and mythbuntu too
[15:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: good news is unity-greeter won't be pulled in anymore :)
[15:41] <astraljava> Yay!
[15:42] <charlie-tca> yay!
[15:43] <micahg> so, we have dailies back and i386 is almost oversized...
[15:44] <charlie-tca> almost is okay
[15:45] <charlie-tca> we can look at what is not needed again, since they always have ways of adding to us
[15:46] <micahg> well, I'm guessing it was another incomplete library transition or 2
[15:46] <charlie-tca> something else unity decided we need?
[15:47]  * astraljava can't seem to get the desktop i386 installing in virtualbox
[15:47] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[15:47] <micahg> ah, we inherited colord support :)
[15:47] <charlie-tca> anything in particular yet?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> see, micahg. I knew they 'helped' us again
[15:48] <micahg> well, that's actually a good thing in this case, but it does take space :)
[15:49] <charlie-tca> hm, how much of kde did we get?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> I will look at this stuff after the meeting
[15:50] <charlie-tca> astraljava: how far into the install?
[15:50] <astraljava> Wait, something's not right. The desktop image doesn't have the "Try Xubuntu without <whatever>". What gives?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ubiquity got changed again
[15:51] <charlie-tca> file a bug for it
[15:51] <astraljava> Well it seems to have been a glitch with virtualbox, cause resetting it makes it progress, actually. *phew*
[15:52] <astraljava> IPv6 autoconfiguration?! REALLY?!
[15:52] <micahg> charlie-tca: kde? shouldn't be any, colord is a system service that makes it easy to manage, install and generate
[15:52] <micahg>  colour profiles to accurately colour manage input and output devices.
[15:52] <charlie-tca> I know that. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen
[15:53] <micahg> heh, well upgrades are broke for me ATM due to a mono issue which I probably won't be able to debug until sunday
[15:53] <charlie-tca> heh, well, at least you know how to do it. ;)
[15:54] <astraljava> micahg: Bug #?
[15:54] <micahg> astraljava: for what?
[15:54] <astraljava> The mono issue?
[15:54] <micahg> oh, haven't filed one yet due to apport thinking it's reported this before :)
[15:54] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[15:54] <astraljava> :)
[15:55] <micahg> retracers are broke anyways due to the apt transition
[15:55] <astraljava> Damn.
[15:56] <charlie-tca> oh, my
[16:09] <micahg> astraljava: bug 824858
[16:10] <GridCube> thats a nice bug name
[16:10] <micahg> doesn't affect xubuntu since we don't ship banshee
[16:12] <micahg> charlie-tca: dh_python2 and libssl1.0.0 transitions needed for xubuntu still, will request FFes for dh_python2 stuff
[16:14] <charlie-tca>  Okay
[16:15] <micahg> charlie-tca: sorry, should've told you that earlier :)
[16:15] <charlie-tca> No problem. I discussed it last week with skaet and explained that we won't know much in advance what we need.
[16:37] <astraljava> micahg: Thanks!
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Okay, burning images to start testing
[16:38] <astraljava> whee! /me just got the IPTV box and the modem for the broadband. Come Monday evening, I'll be (sort of) happy again.
[16:42] <astraljava> Really? Supposed to look like this? http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/Xubuntu-desktop-lightdm-greeter_20110812.png
[16:45] <knome> astraljava, why monday evening?
[16:45] <knome> astraljava, that's the default unity-theme, without wallpaper
[16:46] <astraljava> knome: Cause that's when they'll install the service.
[16:46] <astraljava> knome: Gah!!!
[16:46] <knome> aha
[16:51] <madnick> I feel like a really naggy person :( but knome have you thought about the themes? :) I'm just kinda eager to get going with these stuff, since it will take quite some time to write it :P
[16:51] <charlie-tca> newest thing in login themes!
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Think it is all shook out now, madnick. 
[16:53] <madnick> okay
[16:53] <madnick> So Ill fetch todays image :)
[16:54] <charlie-tca> not sure yet, but will know later today/this weekend.
[16:55] <charlie-tca> I will be testing all images before monday, to see what happens
[16:59] <charlie-tca> sync is almost finished, only another hour or so
[17:04] <astraljava> Okay, so now it's the second Xubuntu session that needs to be selected to get into our shit.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> well, depends on which session really works. it changes
[17:04] <astraljava> Gotta figure out during the weekend why we have 2 at the first place.
[17:04] <astraljava> Oh really?
[17:04] <astraljava> Damn.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> We have two because lightdm is not really fixed for us
[17:05] <astraljava> So we know why, exactly?
[17:06] <charlie-tca> because we use a symlink like it was suggested on bug 799754 , comment #13
[17:06] <charlie-tca> and that causes two sessions to appear
[17:07] <charlie-tca> and mr_pouit has probably gone close to bald now trying to fix that and get some cooperation from Ubuntu for it.
[17:08] <charlie-tca> because the best response we get is "it should work"
[17:09] <charlie-tca> so, I guess, any help you can give would be appreciated!
[17:09] <charlie-tca> We seem to be the ones pushing to get it right, so that all derivatives can use lightdm
[17:11] <charlie-tca> astraljava: if it helps any, most of the other flavours are cheering for us :)
[17:14] <astraljava> Oh alright. :) I'll have a look, I guess, but then I don't expect to get anywhere without talking to mr_pouit first.
[17:16] <astraljava> Okay, well things seemed to work in vbox, outside the hidden bar at the bottom of the screen, so I'll do proper testing on the actual hw tomorrow/Sunday.
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Great! If you do decide to investigate lightdm, maybe that bug provides a starting point?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Robert Ancell might be back next week, I don't know for sure. he gets a week on holiday after the summit
[17:18] <astraljava> Sure, but I just think it's pointless to redo the same false fixes that mr_pouit has already done. :)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> I agree. Hoping he is back too next week
[17:34] <astraljava> Lionel is mr_pouit ?! I never knew! :D
[17:43] <charlie-tca> yes, he is :)
[18:04] <charlie-tca> madnick: I think just adding our own background to the lightdm screen could work
[18:05] <charlie-tca> although I question the gear to the right of the user name
[18:06] <charlie-tca> It's not very intuitive as to who is logging in
[18:07] <charlie-tca> apparently, I didn't pick the right session, either
[18:07] <astraljava> But now it shouldn't matter anymore, I was able to just log out and choose the correct one without penalties.
[18:07] <charlie-tca> astraljava: where did you pick a session from?
[18:08] <charlie-tca> this login screen doesn't have sessions
[18:08] <astraljava> I think it was the gear that you mentioned, but I might forget already.
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Yup, that really is not good for the user
[18:09] <charlie-tca> madnick: I really prefer we use Sessions:
[18:09] <charlie-tca> to indicate such
[18:09] <charlie-tca> that icon is anything but usable without being told to try clicking it
[18:10] <madnick> charlie-tca: using the wallpaper on top of the lightdm greeter?
[18:10] <madnick> unity*
[18:13] <charlie-tca> yes, with some changes, I guess, since that gear is not really usable to say "choose session here"
[18:13] <charlie-tca> That really sucks
[18:14] <charlie-tca> We still do not have a decent way to tell the user "choose the right session at login"
[18:14] <charlie-tca> it still takes 12 steps to reset the session if the wrong session is logged into
[18:15] <madnick> okay
[18:17] <madnick> so adding a session list
[18:17] <madnick> In the panel? Or in the main UI?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> in the lightdm screen
[18:17] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Really? I just restarted lightdm, and when the greeter came up again, I chose the correct one. Oh! Is that why I didn't see the hidden bar when brought the mouse cursor at the bottom?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> replace the stupid gear to the right of the user with a "Choose Session: "
[18:18] <madnick> could i see a screenshot?
[18:18]  * madnick is downloading the image still
[18:19] <charlie-tca> madnick: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/Xubuntu-desktop-lightdm-greeter_20110812.png
[18:19] <charlie-tca> see where to choose the session?
[18:19] <astraljava> madnick: Look above, I linked to one.
[18:19] <astraljava> Ahh... there you have it. :)
[18:20] <madnick> charlie-tca: nope :P I acctually do not
[18:20] <charlie-tca> astraljava: yes, if you did not follow the 12 step reset, you didn't get the right session
[18:20] <charlie-tca> madnick: it's that stupid looking gear thing
[18:20] <madnick> oh!
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Sorry, don't quite know what to call that
[18:21] <charlie-tca> but I find it really stupid, myself
[18:21] <madnick> So, you want to add a userlist there?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I want it to say "Choose session: ", please
[18:21] <madnick> okay :)
[18:21] <charlie-tca> That is the user list
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Other, Janne, guest is the user list
[18:22] <madnick> sorry, i slipped my mind :)
[18:22] <madnick> Okay, but yeah, I can do that
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Of course, if you have more than three or four users, it ain't really gonna fit, either
[18:22] <madnick> hm
[18:23] <madnick> How about adding it to that panel on the top right?
[18:23] <madnick> like a dropdown list?
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I think they have to add the two missing icons there, too
[18:23] <charlie-tca> The sessions?
[18:23] <madnick> yes
[18:24] <charlie-tca> That would be fine, It just has to state "sessions: " specifically. That icon does not work.
[18:24] <madnick> Okay
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Some things are not easily expressed in a tiny icon. 
[18:24] <madnick> :)
[18:24] <madnick> Ill set it up, and paste a screenshow of it looks, when the install is done
[18:25] <madnick> it will take like 2 hours from now :\
[18:25] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:25] <charlie-tca> well, you did ask for input...
[18:26] <charlie-tca> it just seems wrong now. I can adjust volume and use gmusicbrowser from the login screen, but I can not choose to restart or shutdown or sessions or accessibility?
[18:28] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I got Try Xubuntu... on hardware
[18:29] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Oh okay, maybe not possible in vbox/other virt?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> possibility that it is broken again, yes
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I don't know, since my VBox is broken again and I have to remove and reinstall to try and fix it
[18:31] <madnick> cctually
[18:31] <madnick> acctually* they are stock icons
[18:31] <madnick> that are missing from us :)
[18:31] <charlie-tca> what are?
[18:31] <charlie-tca> oh
[18:31] <charlie-tca> um, live session, second xubuntu session is wrong one
[18:32] <charlie-tca> I see, so we have to replace those with icons that are really there?
[18:33] <Unit193> I have 3 steps for fixing wrong session... >_>
[18:33] <charlie-tca> I wish mr_pouit would get back. We need to decide if fixing this thing is really gonna work for us
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Unit193: What are they?
[18:34] <Unit193> 1. rm (~/).config 2. rm (~/).cache 3. Logout and back in
[18:34] <Unit193> (Testing only, not actual system)
[18:34] <charlie-tca> You forgot the "Open a terminal"
[18:35] <charlie-tca> or is it in a tty?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> oh, and also "find the quit icon in the panel. It is not on the right end in this session" thing
[18:35] <Unit193> Alright, but you don't already have a few open?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> no
[18:36] <micahg> Unit193: be careful with instructions like that, it can wipe out stuff  on an install
[18:36] <astraljava> Well, that's still 4 steps actually: 1. Ctrl + Alt + F[1-6], 2. rm .config, 3. rm .cache, 4. sudo service lightdm restart
[18:36] <charlie-tca> I log in, I have to click on which panel setup to use, I close xfce tips, then I am staring at what is not the right screen
[18:36] <Unit193> micahg: Yeah, I added that after but that's only telling charlie how I do it (Not going to tell others to use it)
[18:36] <astraljava> micahg: True, but aren't we talking about .iso testing here? :)
[18:37] <charlie-tca> steps just increased...
[18:37] <Unit193> I actually use rm .cache && rm .config
[18:37] <charlie-tca> 1. Ctrl+alt+F1, 2. login
[18:37] <astraljava> Unit193: rm -rf maybe?
[18:37] <micahg> astraljava: it depends, I just wanted that in there for people reading IRC logs
[18:37] <Unit193> astraljava: Yeah. No sleep yesterday and not much today is really catching up :/
[18:38] <astraljava> micahg: Good call. I always forget the logging.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> 3. rm -r .cache 4. rm -r .cache 5. sudo service lightdm restart 6. Ctrl+Alt+F1 7. logout 8. Alt+F7
[18:38]  * Unit193 Hates the logs ever so much@!!
[18:38] <astraljava> Which is why I shoudl muthaf***ing clean my act up. *oops*
[18:38] <charlie-tca> We are talking about anyone that installs oneiric and decides to keep it too
[18:39] <astraljava> charlie-tca: You shouldn't have to log out after restarting lightdm.
[18:39] <astraljava> What gives?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> You gonna leave the tty logged into then?
[18:39] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Does it matter?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> It doesn't log you out automatically until you restart the computer, at which time it might hang because you are logged into a tty
[18:40] <astraljava> Besides, you're in tty1 already, you don't have to Ctrl+Alt+F1 again.
[18:40] <charlie-tca> no, restarting lightdm sends you to F7 to login
[18:40] <astraljava> Ahh... crap.
[18:40] <astraljava> Yeah, I did that in terminal while still running X.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it doesn't seem so long when actually doing it, if you have done it before
[18:41]  * astraljava takes the dog for a walk
[18:41] <charlie-tca> and it worked from the terminal?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Well, I made it to the live session. It is the first xubuntu session now
[18:48] <charlie-tca> bug 825414
[18:48] <charlie-tca> bug 825414
[18:49] <charlie-tca> anyway, that is for the nvidia-common failure
[18:51] <charlie-tca> bug 825414
[18:52] <micahg> someone didn't filter their input :)
[18:54] <charlie-tca> huh?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> what input
[18:54] <charlie-tca> oh
[18:54] <charlie-tca> not me, right/
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Who should I push it too?
[18:55] <micahg> should be fine where it is
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:56] <charlie-tca> fun is just beginning
[18:56] <micahg> right, more breakage to come :)
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Going to be a great weekend!
[19:07] <charlie-tca> hm, no password required to install apps in terminal
[19:08] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install gnucash and it is installing it
[19:08] <charlie-tca> no password required
[19:14] <charlie-tca> oops
[19:14] <charlie-tca> live session
[19:15] <charlie-tca> probably better not to need the password
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I will install xubuntu and try that again
[20:11] <charlie-tca> I am jinxed
[20:11] <charlie-tca> stuck at "Configuring target system for, oh, maybe an hour now
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Let's see, set timer, 2 hours should be enough, start timer now
[20:12] <charlie-tca> "Configuring target syste..." 
[20:12] <charlie-tca> can't be stuck again, can it?
[20:15] <Unit193> Stop, hammertime ;)
[20:16] <charlie-tca> Gotta wait the 2 hours now, I started the timer already
[20:17] <charlie-tca> going for a walk, will see what happens
[21:04] <charlie-tca> I am starting to think this 10 american dollars computer is broke
[21:06] <jarnos> I wish I could send you another, but I suppose it would be far more expensive to send.
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I would expect it to cost more for shipping that than
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I should try the free one and see if it works
[21:09] <jarnos> Good luck
[21:24] <jarnos> I am a little confused about Swap. I have "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0" in /etc/fstab of Oneiric. Gparted is unable to detect swap partition, which I have meant to share between different installations. I updated my main installation to Natty form Maverick...
[21:25] <jarnos> Sorry from Maverick to Natty. 
[21:26] <jarnos> And Natty is supposed to have normal swap partition.
[21:26] <jarnos> Does Oneiric somehow prohibit using the same partition for swap?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> If the / or /home is encrypted, as far as I know, /swap must also be encrypted. 
[21:27] <charlie-tca> I don't know what happens if /swap is encrypted by /home is not
[21:28] <charlie-tca> I think I read they changed that stuff for oneiric
[21:29] <charlie-tca> They have been working on encrypted stuff, since encrypting /home was blocking the user from logging in at all
[21:29] <charlie-tca> There was a new fix for it today.
[21:30] <jarnos> charlie-tca, IIRC I have never explicitly encrypted swap, but I suppose Oneiric installation did it when I chose to encrypt /home.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> jarnos: thanks for your feedback on project lead, too. I had to wonder if the messages were even going through.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> That would be my guess too. 
[21:31] <jarnos> charlie-tca, you are welcome.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> since /swap could be used in extreme cases for stuff in /home
[21:31] <jarnos> oh
[21:32] <charlie-tca> It is just covering all possibilities
[21:33] <jarnos> As for swap, there is also Bug #709363
[21:35] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:35] <charlie-tca> might pull the syslog and partition log from /var/log/installer and attach them to the bug in hopes it will have more information for them to work with
[21:36] <astraljava> I thought the things about project lead were just for the Xubuntu team, no?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> why?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> They are for all users interested in Xubuntu, actually. Might get more team players if it is advertised enough.
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I have to insure it gets published twice before the change can take effect. Otherwise, it will not be valid
[21:37] <jarnos> And Bug #42159
[21:38] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen that happen here, jarnos 
[21:38] <charlie-tca> The other one, I think I might have hit before
[21:39] <charlie-tca> Not everyone on Xubuntu Team is subscribed to the -devel mailing list, so I sent it to -users, too
[21:40] <jarnos> I wonder, if it is safe to format the partition now as swap in Natty; I mean can Oneiric use it after that?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Anyone got Oneiric to install today from desktop images?
[21:54] <madnick> Yes
[21:58] <charlie-tca> desktop or "install now"?
[21:58] <madnick> Oh, "install now"
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Okay. I will try that too
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Then I will try the desktop install on the other computer, too
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Maybe I got what I paid for in this cheap computer
[22:11] <charlie-tca> okay, install from menu worked
[22:14] <charlie-tca> hm, user name is too long, and the gear is hidden by the name now
[22:14] <astraljava> Noo.... really?! *facepalm*
[22:15] <charlie-tca> heh, apparently, you better get the right number of letters in your name
[22:16] <charlie-tca> trying the other computer, see if it will install from the desktop icon
[22:16]  * Unit193 selected the wrong Xubuntu Session -_-
[22:17] <Unit193> Anyone else get nvidia-detector crash on boot?
[22:17] <Unit193> *First live boot
[22:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:18] <Unit193> Alright, ignores
[22:18] <charlie-tca> that would be bug 825259
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Installing on second machine to check install from live desktop
[22:31] <Unit193> Seems to be working for me (Since I did a few entires, I'm going with autoresize :P )
[22:32] <charlie-tca> well, great! We have to try most of the install methods by monday, to see what is still broken
[22:32] <Unit193> I could do an entire or manual (Or anything else really) today
[22:38] <jarnos> I tried to update my Oneiric installation on hard disk, but it offered partial upgrade. Is that recommended or something that might change, if I try it later?