[00:00] ChristopherNG: check out bug 708957 [00:00] Launchpad bug 708957 in linux (Ubuntu) "no more hdmi audio output" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708957 [00:00] Might have help getting that sound at the tv [00:01] Use Alt+f2, xfsettingsd or Alt+F2, xfwm4 and see if the wallpaper comes back [00:02] charlie-tca: thanks! [00:02] yw [00:03] How many hours you spend in here a week btw? [00:03] me? [00:03] one [00:03] or two [00:03] haha! joke! [00:13] hello [00:13] anyone around? [00:16] nope [00:16] !anyone [00:16] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [00:17] GridCube, you missed him by two minutes. [00:17] oh [00:18] that happens to me a lot XD i have part/joins hided [00:23] What happened to the three minute rule? [00:28] Hey, what do i have to edit to make normal faenza icons show up here http://imgur.com/a/lYHgF#F7Nuh [00:30] thats docky btw [00:30] Don't know how to make them show in docky. [00:30] charlie-tca: what do you use then? [00:31] Normally, just switch to them in Settings -> Settings Manager -> Appearance, icons tab [00:31] I use what comes in Xubuntu [00:43] I was told to come here and ask for charlie [00:43] charlie-tca ? [00:43] your guess is as good as mine [00:43] they only said charlie [00:43] what problem do you have JoeR1 [00:43] yep im sure he is [00:43] get comfy this will take a sec [00:43] he is The Charlie [00:43] OK, so the symptoms: windows no longer have the min/max/exit controls, the Background doesn't appear, (I'm using Xubuntu) the contextual desktop menu does not appear, many windows cannot be moved once opened, many windows, after being opened, cannot be interacted with, windows no longer "lock" to the sides of the screen [00:43] yes common problem [00:44] easy fix [00:44] seriously? [00:44] yes [00:44] press alt-f2 [00:44] and write xfwm4 [00:44] and run [00:44] well i am logged in a root right now because my profile was nigh unusable [00:44] you should never do that [00:44] yeah yeah I know [00:44] just saying === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [00:45] but I know what I'm doing and I had no choice any usability was not coming from my profile [00:45] ok [00:45] execute xfwm4 from alt+f2 launcher [00:45] that should fix things [00:46] sweet, I am amazed I haven't heard about this sooner [00:46] :D you should come here first if you use xubuntu [00:46] also im making the top 10 common problems list [00:46] XD [00:47] well mot of my issues aren't x specific [00:47] this was number 5 [00:47] :) did it fixed your problems? [00:47] what is number 1? [00:47] "my sound isn't working how do i fix that" [00:48] yes this did solve my problem and usually after I wade through the mounds of idiocracy in #ubuntu I can get a useful answer [00:48] but im not doing them in any order im just parsing common questions as i find them on the logs [00:48] :D glad to know [00:49] well my sound works fine [00:49] :P many people don'ts [00:49] don'ts now thats wrong [00:49] i had that problem when i ran xubuntu on my ps3 but never here in the x86 world [00:49] oh, look at that don'ts is correct [00:50] oh i never runend anything on a ps3, as i dont own one XD [00:50] found it for $100 on craigslist [00:50] a year and a half ago [00:51] nice, where i live there is no craiglist, well there is but is pretty much useless, anyway [00:51] where is that? [00:51] argentina :) [00:51] ah so I see [00:51] Can you remove some of the space between the indicators plugin icons in the panels? [00:52] firewall - easily [00:52] JoeR1: how? [00:52] right click on the panel and go to panel preferences [00:53] right click-> panel -> panel preferences [00:53] and then? [00:53] then select the items tab [00:53] ya [00:54] do you see "Separator" [00:54] Ah no thats something else [00:54] those are the spaces so get rid of the ones you want gone [00:54] between the different icons in the indicator plugin [00:55] yes, they will be there [00:55] you mean on the right of the panel where all the indicators show up right? [00:56] http://i.imgur.com/66wQt.jpg [00:56] oh well, you'll figure it out I have to go fix this junk box [00:56] ok one sec [00:59] well I really do hate to look and run but I am currently logged in as root and I would like to get my system running right again so I don't have to use the root account, you can also ask the Ubuntu room, they often have useful info and this should be an X specific issue [00:59] should NOT be [00:59] sorry [00:59] this actually is [01:00] firewall, im pretty sure you can't do that, you can't edit spaces between icons i mean [01:00] that sucks =( [01:00] its just so uneven =( [01:00] you can edit the pngs and try again? [01:05] firewall, what's the issue? [01:06] just trying to remove some of the space between the icons ONLY in the indicator plugin [01:06] firewall, I'm more curious as to why you think it looks uneven [01:06] care to share a screenshot? [01:07] http://i.imgur.com/66wQt.jpg [01:07] well in comparison to the battery/quick synergy icon [01:08] it's an optical illusion [01:08] because the network icon fills in the corners [01:08] while the others don't [01:08] the indicator plugin does leave padding between the icons. nothing you can do about it, afaik. [01:08] it appears that the network icon is closer to the others [01:09] the only thing you can do is come up with an alternate network icon [01:09] night -> [01:09] i can deal [01:10] what i dont understand is why docky doesnt use the icons for the terminal http://imgur.com/a/lYHgF#F7Nuh and Thunar [01:11] because the pinned ones work, but when i start the applications they go back to the default icon [01:12] hey gridcube, are you still around? [01:13] GridCube, xfwm4 didn't work [01:15] ok is anyone out there? [01:16] !anyone [01:16] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [01:17] JoeR1, how it didnt work? [01:17] No, it did not === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [01:17] mmm so you don't have windows borders? [01:17] decorations and such [01:17] correct [01:17] only on my account [01:17] root works fine [01:18] mmm i see i guess you need to delete some config files and relogin so they start over [01:18] i don't remember what those are right now tho [01:18] when i executed xfwm4 the output was gdm: can't init display - or something similar [01:21] what... thats new [01:21] I could probably go get the exact output if you wish [01:21] try to move ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml anywhere else [01:22] sure [01:24] ok, this will take a moment because I have to log out and come bacck [01:39] No such luck [01:39] moving the xfwm4.xml file to another location did nothing except make the startup seem to take longer [01:45] JoeR1: next step is to try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd [01:45] must be the charlie I had been sent in search of [01:45] But you have to be at the desktop for that to work [01:45] I might be [01:45] I was eating [01:46] I assume you mean the desktop of the affected account [01:46] yes [01:46] what release of Xubuntu are you using? [01:47] that is unfortuante because I have to log in as root to conatct these rooms so that means I will have to leave and come back [01:47] 11.04 [01:47] okay, let me give you a few commands to try when you login, then [01:47] very well [01:47] all work in Alt+F2, or if run in terminal, add & to the end after a space. [01:47] like xfwm4 & [01:48] if in Alt+F2, & is not needed [01:48] i understand [01:48] one moment, I will need to get some paper [01:49] I have returned [01:49] First we use xfwm4 [01:49] tried and failed [01:49] then we use xfsettingsd [01:49] then we try [01:49] xfce4-settings-helper [01:49] xfce4-session [01:49] xfwm4 [01:49] xfdesktop4 [01:50] Let me back up the logs and read this again, now [01:50] very well [01:51] one of those will fix it, unless you installed compiz, then the fix is remove compiz [01:51] well, run xfwm4 --replace to replace it, actually [01:52] one moment [01:52] compiz is not installed [01:52] no spaces in any of those commands, and make sure the dashes are in the right place. It will fix you up. [01:53] very well, I shall report back upon success or failure [01:53] Why would anyone tell him ask for me? [01:58] are you still available charlie-tca ? [02:00] yeah [02:01] I am here much of time [02:01] a minor victory has been achieved, upon running xfwm4 in a terminal instead of alt-f2 it did restore functionality of the windows but the rest of the desktop is still incapacitated [02:02] how ? [02:02] also I have exhausted your commands without any further successes [02:03] windows now have title bars, what is not working? refresh my memory [02:03] the desktop contextual menu is still missing, the desktop background still does not load [02:03] although windows do now appear in the panel [02:03] desktop contextual menu? The right click menu? [02:04] in fact I dare say 100% of the window functions are back [02:04] yes [02:04] What does the background look like, is it light gray, striped, dark, ? [02:04] it is a solid color, I would call it beige/brown [02:05] Did you install Xubuntu or Ubuntu (and add Xfce)? [02:06] Xubuntu straight, I added nothing [02:06] and you don't have the right-click menu on the empty deskto? [02:06] correct [02:06] desktop isn't running [02:07] seems that way [02:07] Alt+F2, xfdesktop4 [02:07] very well, I shall try that again - one moment please [02:09] No command 'xfdesktop4' found, did you mean: Command 'xfdesktop' from package 'xfdesktop4' (universe) xfdesktop4: command not found [02:10] xfdesktop - failed to parse argument : cannot open display [02:10] have I, perhaps, missed something? [02:10] That's correct. leave the 4 off [02:10] xfdesktop [02:10] keep reading [02:11] Then it's running already [02:11] that is the output from termnal yes [02:11] You have a menu in the upper left? [02:11] lower left, but yes I have access to my panel [02:12] Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop [02:12] continue [02:12] first tab, background [02:13] continue [02:13] right side, check on single image? [02:13] done [02:13] was it already checked? [02:13] I suspect i have already tried this and it was of no use [02:13] yes [02:13] I already tried this [02:13] which image is highlighted? [02:14] xubuntu-karmic-gdm.png [02:15] okay, close the settings [02:15] done [02:17] if you will excuse me for a moment i am going to have a smoke [02:17] You are using gdm, right? [02:17] it what way do you mean that? [02:17] The login manager [02:18] When you login to the desktop, are you doing it through the CLI or the display manager? [02:18] to be honest, I do not know === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [02:19] well gdm is installed [02:19] one moment [02:23] i am back now [02:25] also I think I misrepresented the situation, the desktop contextual menu is there but it is missing many of the options such as "Open Terminal Here" or the application list [02:25] also the desktop icons do not snap into place on a grid, they are free floating as it were [02:28] That's because something isn't running [02:28] But I don't know what [02:28] indeed, it is perplexing [02:29] there must be a script similar to the old autoexec.bat files from windows correct? [02:29] yeah, but quite involved [02:29] try this, in the terminal, [02:30] invoolved is fine, do you have a name of the file? [02:30] xfdesktop --reload [02:30] very well [02:30] make sure it is two dashes [02:30] I will do it but when i ran xfdesktop it output to assume reload and therefore did it itself [02:30] I still don't think the desktop started [02:31] no effect [02:31] Tell you it can't find the display again? [02:32] no, it output nothing and nothing happened, my system monitor seems to believe that xfdesktop is running [02:32] it is listed in the processes [02:33] You didn't carry the /home from an old install? [02:34] no [02:34] nothing is carried from any old installs [02:35] Check that xfce4-session, xfce4-settings-helper, xfwm4, and xfdesktop are running [02:36] The only thing I know to try is a restart, not a log out, but an actual restart [02:36] Unless someone else can jump in with a suggestion, please? [02:38] ok one moment [02:38] all are running\ [02:38] could I please have the name of the file i asked about earlier? [02:43] xfwm4 ? [02:43] the autexec.bat-lik file [02:43] oh [02:43] sure [02:43] /etc/gdm/ , startxfce4, startx, files in /etc/init.d, files in /etc/init [02:43] linux isn't windows. We have to start many files to make it all work [02:43] and those have to start these files we been playing with [02:43] I understand that, but I intend to see if any files that are meant to be started are not being started [02:43] and if they all start in the proper sequence, and kick each other properly, it works :() [02:43] hm, TBH, I have a list of about 123 files that start on boot [02:43] If one fails, you don't get the desktop properly [02:43] indeed, and I intend to look through these [02:44] I take it you have never had to scour lines of code [02:44] I have probably read every file in /etc [02:45] and investigated many in /usr [02:45] then I fail to see why you would want to try to talk me out of this, it is not a big deal really [02:45] I also have written several public domain programs back in my day [02:45] I didn't [02:45] I gave several directories to start with [02:46] /etc/gdm/ , startxfce4, startx, files in /etc/init.d, files in /etc/init [02:46] I apologize, I must have misunderstood [02:47] Also check out /etc/rc2.d [02:47] The rest of the rc??? are no longer used with upstart [02:48] I just don't have individual file names at the ready here. There are just too many that get involved in starting things [02:48] very well, I only wish this was the first time linux had been disappointing, I suspect that Ubuntu is ill suited for power users like myself [02:49] Ubuntu as a distribution is aimed at new users from windows. It is quite hard on the experienced user and sometimes on the power user [02:50] could you recommend a distro better suited to the intermediate/power user? [02:52] I don't know, maybe gentoo is better. Arch is very good if you want to learn everything there is to know. It comes as nothing and you build it item by item [02:52] I hear very little about fedora [02:53] MIght be worth asking that in #xfce, if you like Xfce as a desktop. [02:53] Kubuntu with KDE is supposed to be very configurable, with lots of eye candy [02:54] Lot of power users go to KDE, because of the configurablility [02:54] I chose Xubuntu because someone said it use fewer resources (back when I was running it on my PS3) and then I became fond of the desktop contextual menu [02:55] if you will excuse me I am going to go restart the gmd [03:00] I have returned [03:02] charlie-tca, thank you for your help, by virtue of your advice all functions have been restored [03:02] I must go now, thank you again [04:06] hey everyone [04:06] I am running this chat through terminal irssi. totally kick ass [04:06] :) [04:07] idk how to use irssi well enough [04:07] it's really nice [04:07] after one of the last update my screen resolution changes after login, but only after the network connection is established [04:07] nvidia graphics card, xubuntu 10.04 lts [04:07] i suppose i can read how to do multiple things liek in xchat [04:08] it changes to interlaced and i have to change it back and after that its working ok [04:09] so how is everyone tonight [04:14] helloooooo? [04:14] O.o === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:19] you are known as yourself ;) [04:28] am i allowed to ask for help here? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [05:26] doesn't seem like much happens around this time of day [05:43] I think Xubuntu is not responsive. Opening the Applications menu takes sometimes about 5 seconds by 1.6GHz Intel Atom minilaptop that has 1GB RAM. [05:45] jarnos: do you have any free space left in your home directory? [05:45] TheSheep, 2.6GB [05:46] jarnos: does the ~/.cache directory exist and is not set to read-only? [05:47] TheSheep, yes [05:48] jarnos: is you home on a network-mounted drive? [05:49] TheSheep, no [05:49] and it takes 5s every time, or only the first time after you install something? [05:51] TheSheep, not every time [05:54] jarnos: it does take longer when there were cahnges it the menu -- it has to rebuild it, that's normal [05:55] (perhaps it could display the old menu and update it when it finishes rebuilding, but for some reason they didn't do it that way) [05:55] TheSheep, 5 sec is still too much. [05:56] they accept patches [05:59] TheSheep, why don't they rebuild it when they change it? [05:59] jarnos: to reflect the changes [06:00] jarnos: the language in which the menu entries is described is so complicated, that it's faster to recompute the whole menu from scratch than to try to figure out what changed [06:00] jarnos: it's the same language that gnome uses === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [06:09] TheSheep, it takes long time to open the menu after restart. Sometimes I have to click it twice, or maybe I am not patient enough. [06:11] jarnos: there might be some regression in there, personally I didn't notice a problem, but you might want to report a bug [06:17] heya [07:29] does grub2 do anything special to totally hijack the bootloader? [07:30] I have just installed OpenBSD on my laptop, leaving in place my xubuntu partitions (I might come back to this, I'm running through some tests on this laptop), and flagging the OpenBSD partition as bootable, yet grub still takes over [07:30] grub2 is the bootloader [07:31] ok, I'll rephrase.. [07:31] is grub2 doing some new magick that it didn't before, ineffect hijacking the boot sequence? [07:32] If I installed Windows on a partition, one would expect it would take over the boot process from grub [07:32] I've done the same with OpenBSD in the past, and succeeded in this, and I'm not sure why grub would do this now, but I am not familiar with how grub2 is diffent in this regard [07:33] if you select installer to write bootloader into MBR it should do that [07:33] nothing should be able to prevent that [07:33] you can select if you want to install grub2 to partition or to MBR [07:34] right [07:35] theoretcially, grub should not be running :) [07:44] ah, openbsd was nice and did not overwrite my MBR because I was leaving my partition structure in place :) [07:44] fdisk -u in openbsd changes that, sorry for the noise, grub is not to blame [07:44] :P [08:43] Hello all, I was using nLite for creating MINIMAL XP installation .iso which I would use to install in Xubuntu via Virtual Box. But nLite didn't make .iso file it made directory with subdirectories and files. Question is how can I make .ISO file from them? Can I do it in Xubuntu? Or will I need to go in second PC in Windows to do that? [08:46] Xfburn for example have option to "burn image" not to make "image (.iso file)". [08:47] I think that's problem with nlite, not xubuntu [08:47] you should first find out what you'd need to actually do with those files [08:54] not an issue, I have all files (which if I had .iso image would be in that iso) Again: it's like if you had iso image to extract all files from it you get what I have now, and there is process in other way i.e. you have files and you want to create from them iso image [08:54] Get it? :) [08:55] So you are saying in Xubuntu one can't create .iso image?? :O [08:55] ALL the files needed I have. [09:09] of course you can *somehow* create .iso, but how you're so sure that your ..blob would boot [09:10] as ansver, I don't know how to create .iso but I could try google [09:11] eh.. huh? [09:11] mkisofs -o /path/to/xp.iso /path/to/files [09:13] genisoimage should also work, if xfburn can't burn into virtual disk [09:21] just to clarify "mkisofs" and "genisoimage" is terminal commands? [09:21] terminal apps yes [09:21] which is already available in Xubuntu? (*buntu) [09:21] install if it isn't [09:22] sudo apt-get install mkisofs genisoimage i bet LOL [09:22] or just do a sudo apt-cache search for those terms if all else fails [09:22] and what you ment with "if xfburn can't burn into virtual disk"? [09:22] just other one needed [09:22] gigenieks: if it can't create .iso files [09:23] burn data disk but set it to make virtual cd, .iso [09:25] Sysi: it can as far as I checked ONLY make "Burn Image (Burn a prepared compilation, i.e. and .ISO file)" I don't have an .ISO file. I want to create one from directory I have. I would also want to do it in GUI not in terminal (as I am very new to Linux) [09:26] try k3b or brasero [09:26] Isn't either of them KDE apps? [09:26] brasero is gnome [09:27] Don't want to add unnecessary kde library yet. [09:27] XFCE type program would be awesome! [09:27] it's not unnecessary if it gives you functionality :P [09:27] yes but it could also give me some problems / difficulties [09:28] in what way [09:28] having the libraries cna be a good thing [09:28] http://www.tuxarena.com/static/tut_iso_ubuntu.php#xfburn [09:28] it doesn't break any XFCE functionality as far as I can tell (I have a crapton of gnome libs running here already) [09:29] apparently xfburn can do it [09:32] jbrouhard: How can I explain it more clearly.. (english not my first language) It's kinda like my approach to things... For example I have old PC and I want to get most of it.. meaning I want to have apps that do exactly what I want, nothing more.. :) I would like to optimize my system as much as one could... READ THIS and you will understand more clearly what I ment with that ----> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7779384&postcount=3 [09:33] that is kinda my goal in long run [09:33] or at least that kinda approach [09:33] any russians here?) [09:34] chebureque: #ubuntu-ru should help with xubuntu problems too [09:34] thx [09:36] gigenieks: lubuntu/lxde would be a bit more like that than xfce actually [09:37] if you want to do stuff with very little resources, learn command line [09:37] * jbrouhard chuckles [09:37] it's quite nice actually, logical [09:37] yeah.. [09:38] tho i'm chuckling at the forum post [09:38] hi all [09:38] I can't quite wrap my head around why anyone would wanna be *THAT* anal about their desktop like that [09:38] need help on nvidia driver installing [09:39] can't find libc header , please help [09:39] !language | jbrouhard [09:39] jbrouhard: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [09:39] how you're installing the driver? [09:39] from a binary installer [09:40] downloaded from nvidia site [09:40] er.. wait.. anal is a bad word in here ? [09:40] Sysi: I don't want to use LXDE its UGLY! (at least in videos) I want to have nice gui, but optimized to speed! In other words use all your PC's possibilities. That guy in that post doesn't use LXDE he just is optimized etc to MAXIMUM meaning his system probably uses less resources than mine XFCE.. [09:40]