[00:00] <charlie-tca> ChristopherNG: check out bug 708957
[00:00] <charlie-tca> Might have help getting that sound at the tv
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Use Alt+f2, xfsettingsd or Alt+F2, xfwm4 and see if the wallpaper comes back
[00:02] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: thanks!
[00:02] <charlie-tca> yw
[00:03] <ChristopherNG> How many hours you spend in here a week btw?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> me?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> one
[00:03] <charlie-tca> or two
[00:03] <ChristopherNG> haha! joke!
[00:13] <Gr33n> hello
[00:13] <Gr33n> anyone around?
[00:16] <GridCube> nope
[00:16] <GridCube> !anyone
[00:17] <knome> GridCube, you missed him by two minutes.
[00:17] <GridCube> oh
[00:18] <GridCube> that happens to me a lot XD i have part/joins hided
[00:23] <charlie-tca> What happened to the three minute rule?
[00:28] <firewall> Hey, what do i have to edit to make normal faenza icons show up here http://imgur.com/a/lYHgF#F7Nuh
[00:30] <firewall> thats docky btw
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Don't know how to make them show in docky.
[00:30] <firewall> charlie-tca: what do you use then?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> Normally, just switch to them in Settings -> Settings Manager -> Appearance, icons tab
[00:31] <charlie-tca> I use what comes in Xubuntu
[00:43] <JoeR1> I was told to come here and ask for charlie
[00:43] <GridCube> charlie-tca ?
[00:43] <JoeR1> your guess is as good as mine
[00:43] <JoeR1> they only said charlie
[00:43] <GridCube> what problem do you have JoeR1
[00:43] <GridCube> yep im sure he is
[00:43] <JoeR1> get comfy this will take a sec
[00:43] <GridCube> he is The Charlie
[00:43] <JoeR1> OK, so the symptoms: windows no longer have the min/max/exit controls, the Background doesn't appear, (I'm using Xubuntu) the contextual desktop menu does not appear, many windows cannot be moved once opened, many windows, after being opened, cannot be interacted with, windows no longer "lock" to the sides of the screen
[00:43] <GridCube> yes common problem
[00:44] <GridCube> easy fix
[00:44] <JoeR1> seriously?
[00:44] <GridCube> yes
[00:44] <GridCube> press alt-f2
[00:44] <GridCube> and write xfwm4
[00:44] <GridCube> and run
[00:44] <JoeR1> well i am logged in a root right now because my profile was nigh unusable
[00:44] <GridCube> you should never do that
[00:44] <JoeR1> yeah yeah I know
[00:44] <GridCube> just saying
[00:45] <JoeR1> but I know what I'm doing and I had no choice any usability was not coming from my profile
[00:45] <GridCube> ok
[00:45] <GridCube> execute xfwm4 from alt+f2 launcher
[00:45] <GridCube> that should fix things
[00:46] <JoeR1> sweet, I am amazed I haven't heard about this sooner
[00:46] <GridCube> :D you should come here first if you use xubuntu
[00:46] <GridCube> also im making the top 10 common problems list
[00:46] <GridCube> XD
[00:47] <JoeR1> well mot of my issues aren't x specific
[00:47] <GridCube> this was number 5
[00:47] <GridCube> :) did it fixed your problems?
[00:47] <JoeR1> what is number 1?
[00:47] <GridCube> "my sound isn't working how do i fix that"
[00:48] <JoeR1> yes this did solve my problem and usually after I wade through the mounds of idiocracy in #ubuntu I can get a useful answer
[00:48] <GridCube> but im not doing them in any order im just parsing common questions as i find them on the logs
[00:48] <GridCube> :D glad to know
[00:49] <JoeR1> well my sound works fine
[00:49] <GridCube> :P many people don'ts
[00:49] <GridCube> don'ts now thats wrong
[00:49] <JoeR1> i had that problem when i ran xubuntu on my ps3 but never here in the x86 world
[00:49] <GridCube> oh, look at that don'ts is correct
[00:50] <GridCube> oh i never runend anything on a ps3, as i dont own one XD
[00:50] <JoeR1> found it for $100 on craigslist
[00:50] <JoeR1> a year and a half ago
[00:51] <GridCube> nice, where i live there is no craiglist, well there is but is pretty much useless, anyway
[00:51] <JoeR1> where is that?
[00:51] <GridCube> argentina :)
[00:51] <JoeR1> ah so I see
[00:51] <firewall> Can you remove some of the space between the indicators plugin icons in the panels?
[00:52] <JoeR1> firewall - easily
[00:52] <firewall> JoeR1: how?
[00:52] <JoeR1> right click on the panel and go to panel preferences
[00:53] <JoeR1> right click-> panel -> panel preferences
[00:53] <firewall> and then?
[00:53] <JoeR1> then select the items tab
[00:53] <firewall> ya
[00:54] <JoeR1> do you see "Separator"
[00:54] <firewall> Ah no thats something else
[00:54] <JoeR1> those are the spaces so get rid of the ones you want gone
[00:54] <firewall> between the different icons in the indicator plugin
[00:55] <JoeR1> yes, they will be there
[00:55] <JoeR1> you mean on the right of the panel where all the indicators show up right?
[00:56] <firewall> http://i.imgur.com/66wQt.jpg
[00:56] <JoeR1> oh well, you'll figure it out I have to go fix this junk box
[00:56] <JoeR1> ok one sec
[00:59] <JoeR1> well I really do hate to look and run but I am currently logged in as root and I would like to get my system running right again so I don't have to use the root account, you can also ask the Ubuntu room, they often have useful info and this should be an X specific issue
[00:59] <JoeR1> should NOT be
[00:59] <JoeR1> sorry
[00:59] <GridCube> this actually is
[01:00] <GridCube> firewall, im pretty sure you can't do that, you can't edit spaces between icons i mean
[01:00] <firewall> that sucks =(
[01:00] <firewall> its just so uneven =(
[01:00] <GridCube> you can edit the pngs and try again?
[01:05] <xrdodrx> firewall, what's the issue?
[01:06] <firewall> just trying to remove some of the space between the icons ONLY in the indicator plugin
[01:06] <xrdodrx> firewall, I'm more curious as to why you think it looks uneven
[01:06] <xrdodrx> care to share a screenshot?
[01:07] <firewall> http://i.imgur.com/66wQt.jpg
[01:07] <firewall> well in comparison to the battery/quick synergy  icon
[01:08] <xrdodrx> it's an optical illusion
[01:08] <xrdodrx> because the network icon fills in the corners
[01:08] <xrdodrx> while the others don't
[01:08] <knome> the indicator plugin does leave padding between the icons. nothing you can do about it, afaik.
[01:08] <xrdodrx> it appears that the network icon is closer to the others
[01:09] <xrdodrx> the only thing you can do is come up with an alternate network icon
[01:09] <knome> night ->
[01:09] <firewall> i can deal
[01:10] <firewall> what i dont understand is why docky doesnt use the icons for the terminal  http://imgur.com/a/lYHgF#F7Nuh and Thunar
[01:11] <firewall> because the pinned ones work, but when i start the applications they go back to the default icon
[01:12] <JoeR1> hey gridcube, are you still around?
[01:13] <JoeR1> GridCube, xfwm4 didn't work
[01:15] <JoeR1> ok is anyone out there?
[01:16] <GridCube> !anyone
[01:17] <GridCube> JoeR1, how it didnt work?
[01:17] <JoeR1> No, it did not
[01:17] <GridCube> mmm so you don't have windows borders?
[01:17] <GridCube> decorations and such
[01:17] <JoeR1> correct
[01:17] <JoeR1> only on my account
[01:17] <JoeR1> root works fine
[01:18] <GridCube> mmm i see i guess you need to delete some config files and relogin so they start over
[01:18] <GridCube> i don't remember what those are right now tho
[01:18] <JoeR1> when i executed xfwm4 the output was gdm: can't init display - or something similar
[01:21] <GridCube> what... thats new
[01:21] <JoeR1> I could probably go get the exact output if you wish
[01:21] <GridCube> try to move ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml   anywhere else
[01:22] <GridCube> sure
[01:24] <JoeR1> ok, this will take a moment because I have to log out and come bacck
[01:39] <JoeR1> No such luck
[01:39] <JoeR1> moving the xfwm4.xml file to another location did nothing except make the startup seem to take longer
[01:45] <charlie-tca> JoeR1: next step is to try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd
[01:45] <JoeR1> must be the charlie I had been sent in search of
[01:45] <charlie-tca> But you have to be at the desktop for that to work
[01:45] <charlie-tca> I might be
[01:45] <charlie-tca> I was eating
[01:46] <JoeR1> I assume you mean the desktop of the affected account
[01:46] <charlie-tca> yes
[01:46] <charlie-tca> what release of Xubuntu are you using?
[01:47] <JoeR1> that is unfortuante because I have to log in as root to conatct these rooms so that means I will have to leave and come back
[01:47] <JoeR1> 11.04
[01:47] <charlie-tca> okay, let me give you a few commands to try when you login, then
[01:47] <JoeR1> very well
[01:47] <charlie-tca> all work in Alt+F2, or if run in terminal, add & to the end after a space.
[01:47] <charlie-tca> like     xfwm4 &
[01:48] <charlie-tca> if in Alt+F2, & is not needed
[01:48] <JoeR1> i understand
[01:48] <JoeR1> one moment, I will need to get some paper
[01:49] <JoeR1> I have returned
[01:49] <charlie-tca> First we use     xfwm4
[01:49] <JoeR1> tried and failed
[01:49] <charlie-tca> then we use     xfsettingsd
[01:49] <charlie-tca> then we try
[01:49] <charlie-tca> xfce4-settings-helper
[01:49] <charlie-tca> xfce4-session
[01:49] <charlie-tca> xfwm4
[01:49] <charlie-tca> xfdesktop4
[01:50] <charlie-tca> Let me back up the logs and read this again, now
[01:50] <JoeR1> very well
[01:51] <charlie-tca> one of those will fix it, unless you installed compiz, then the fix is remove compiz
[01:51] <charlie-tca> well, run      xfwm4 --replace     to replace it, actually
[01:52] <JoeR1> one moment
[01:52] <JoeR1> compiz is not installed
[01:52] <charlie-tca> no spaces in any of those commands, and make sure the dashes are in the right place. It will fix you up.
[01:53] <JoeR1> very well, I shall report back upon success or failure
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Why would anyone tell him ask for me?
[01:58] <JoeR1> are you still available charlie-tca ?
[02:00] <charlie-tca> yeah
[02:01] <charlie-tca> I am here much of time
[02:01] <JoeR1> a minor victory has been achieved, upon running xfwm4 in a terminal instead of alt-f2 it did restore functionality of the windows but the rest of the desktop is still incapacitated
[02:02] <charlie-tca> how ?
[02:02] <JoeR1> also I have exhausted your commands without any further successes
[02:03] <charlie-tca> windows now have title bars, what is not working? refresh my memory
[02:03] <JoeR1> the desktop contextual menu is still missing, the desktop background still does not load
[02:03] <JoeR1> although windows do now appear in the panel
[02:03] <charlie-tca> desktop contextual menu? The right click menu?
[02:04] <JoeR1> in fact I dare say 100% of the window functions are back
[02:04] <JoeR1> yes
[02:04] <charlie-tca> What does the background look like, is it light gray, striped, dark, ?
[02:04] <JoeR1> it is a solid color, I would call it beige/brown
[02:05] <charlie-tca> Did you install Xubuntu or Ubuntu (and add Xfce)?
[02:06] <JoeR1> Xubuntu straight, I added nothing
[02:06] <charlie-tca> and you don't have the right-click menu on the empty deskto?
[02:06] <JoeR1> correct
[02:06] <charlie-tca> desktop isn't running
[02:07] <JoeR1> seems that way
[02:07] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2, xfdesktop4
[02:07] <JoeR1> very well, I shall try that again - one moment please
[02:09] <JoeR1> No command 'xfdesktop4' found, did you mean:  Command 'xfdesktop' from package 'xfdesktop4' (universe) xfdesktop4: command not found
[02:10] <JoeR1> xfdesktop - failed to parse argument : cannot open display
[02:10] <JoeR1> have I, perhaps, missed something?
[02:10] <charlie-tca> That's correct. leave the 4 off
[02:10] <charlie-tca> xfdesktop
[02:10] <JoeR1> keep reading
[02:11] <charlie-tca> Then it's running already
[02:11] <JoeR1> that is the output from termnal yes
[02:11] <charlie-tca> You have a menu in the upper left?
[02:11] <JoeR1> lower left, but yes I have access to my panel
[02:12] <charlie-tca> Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Desktop
[02:12] <JoeR1> continue
[02:12] <charlie-tca> first tab, background
[02:13] <JoeR1> continue
[02:13] <charlie-tca> right side, check on single image?
[02:13] <JoeR1> done
[02:13] <charlie-tca> was it already checked?
[02:13] <JoeR1> I suspect i have already tried this and it was of no use
[02:13] <JoeR1> yes
[02:13] <JoeR1> I already tried this
[02:13] <charlie-tca> which image is highlighted?
[02:14] <JoeR1> xubuntu-karmic-gdm.png
[02:15] <charlie-tca> okay, close the settings
[02:15] <JoeR1> done
[02:17] <JoeR1> if you will excuse me for a moment i am going to have a smoke
[02:17] <charlie-tca> You are using gdm, right?
[02:17] <JoeR1> it what way do you mean that?
[02:17] <charlie-tca> The login manager
[02:18] <charlie-tca> When you login to the desktop, are you doing it through the CLI or the display manager?
[02:18] <JoeR1> to be honest, I do not know
[02:19] <JoeR1> well gdm is installed
[02:19] <JoeR1> one moment
[02:23] <JoeR1> i am back now
[02:25] <JoeR1> also I think I misrepresented the situation, the desktop contextual menu is there but it is missing many of the options such as "Open Terminal Here" or the application list
[02:25] <JoeR1> also the desktop icons do not snap into place on a grid, they are free floating as it were
[02:28] <charlie-tca> That's because something isn't running
[02:28] <charlie-tca> But I don't know what
[02:28] <JoeR1> indeed, it is perplexing
[02:29] <JoeR1> there must be a script similar to the old autoexec.bat files from windows correct?
[02:29] <charlie-tca> yeah, but quite involved
[02:29] <charlie-tca> try this, in the terminal,
[02:30] <JoeR1> invoolved is fine, do you have a name of the file?
[02:30] <charlie-tca> xfdesktop --reload
[02:30] <JoeR1> very well
[02:30] <charlie-tca> make sure it is two dashes
[02:30] <JoeR1> I will do it but when i ran xfdesktop it output to assume reload and therefore did it itself
[02:30] <charlie-tca> I still don't think the desktop started
[02:31] <JoeR1> no effect
[02:31] <charlie-tca> Tell you it can't find the display again?
[02:32] <JoeR1> no, it output nothing and nothing happened, my system monitor seems to believe that xfdesktop is running
[02:32] <JoeR1> it is listed in the processes
[02:33] <charlie-tca> You didn't carry the /home from an old install?
[02:34] <JoeR1> no
[02:34] <JoeR1> nothing is carried from any old installs
[02:35] <charlie-tca> Check that xfce4-session, xfce4-settings-helper, xfwm4, and xfdesktop are running
[02:36] <charlie-tca> The only thing I know to try is a restart, not a log out, but an actual restart
[02:36] <charlie-tca> Unless someone else can jump in with a suggestion, please?
[02:38] <JoeR1> ok one moment
[02:38] <JoeR1> all are running\
[02:38] <JoeR1> could I please have the name of the file i asked about earlier?
[02:43] <charlie-tca> xfwm4 ?
[02:43] <JoeR1> the autexec.bat-lik file
[02:43] <charlie-tca> oh
[02:43] <charlie-tca> sure
[02:43] <charlie-tca> /etc/gdm/ , startxfce4, startx, files in /etc/init.d, files in /etc/init
[02:43] <charlie-tca> linux isn't windows. We have to start many files to make it all work
[02:43] <charlie-tca> and those have to start these files we been playing with
[02:43] <JoeR1> I understand that, but I intend to see if any files that are meant to be started are not being started
[02:43] <charlie-tca> and if they all start in the proper sequence, and kick each other properly, it works :()
[02:43] <charlie-tca> hm, TBH, I have a list of about 123 files that start on boot
[02:43] <charlie-tca> If one fails, you don't get the desktop properly
[02:43] <JoeR1> indeed, and I intend to look through these
[02:44] <JoeR1> I take it you have never had to scour lines of code
[02:44] <charlie-tca> I have probably read every file in /etc
[02:45] <charlie-tca> and investigated many in /usr
[02:45] <JoeR1> then I fail to see why you would want to try to talk me out of this, it is not a big deal really
[02:45] <charlie-tca> I also have written several public domain programs back in my day
[02:45] <charlie-tca> I didn't
[02:45] <charlie-tca> I gave several directories to start with
[02:46] <charlie-tca> /etc/gdm/ , startxfce4, startx, files in /etc/init.d, files in /etc/init
[02:46] <JoeR1> I apologize, I must have misunderstood
[02:47] <charlie-tca> Also check out /etc/rc2.d
[02:47] <charlie-tca> The rest of the rc??? are no longer used with upstart
[02:48] <charlie-tca> I just don't have individual file names at the ready here. There are just too many that get involved in starting things
[02:48] <JoeR1> very well, I only wish this was the first time linux had been disappointing, I suspect that Ubuntu is ill suited for power users like myself
[02:49] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu as a distribution is aimed at new users from windows. It is quite hard on the experienced user and sometimes on the power user
[02:50] <JoeR1> could you recommend a distro better suited to the intermediate/power user?
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know, maybe gentoo is better. Arch is very good if you want to learn everything there is to know. It comes as nothing and you build it item by item
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I hear very little about fedora
[02:53] <charlie-tca> MIght be worth asking that in #xfce, if you like Xfce as a desktop.
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu with KDE is supposed to be very configurable, with lots of eye candy
[02:54] <charlie-tca> Lot of power users go to KDE, because of the configurablility
[02:54] <JoeR1> I chose Xubuntu because someone said it use fewer resources (back when I was running it on my PS3) and then I became fond of the desktop contextual menu
[02:55] <JoeR1> if you will excuse me I am going to go restart the gmd
[03:00] <JoeR1> I have returned
[03:02] <JoeR1> charlie-tca, thank you for your help, by virtue of your advice all functions have been restored
[03:02] <JoeR1> I must go now, thank you again
[04:06] <slipkid08> hey everyone
[04:06] <slipkid08> I am running this chat through terminal irssi. totally kick ass
[04:06] <slipkid08> :)
[04:07] <jrmy> idk how to use irssi well enough
[04:07] <slipkid08> it's really nice
[04:07] <visitor1> after one of the last update my screen resolution changes after login, but only after the network connection is established
[04:07] <visitor1> nvidia graphics card, xubuntu 10.04 lts
[04:07] <jrmy> i suppose i can read how to do multiple things liek in xchat
[04:08] <visitor1> it changes to interlaced and i have to change it back and after that its working ok
[04:09] <slipkid08> so how is everyone tonight
[04:14] <slipkid08> helloooooo?
[04:14] <slipkid08> O.o
[04:19] <slipkid08> you are known as yourself ;)
[04:28] <therugi> am i allowed to ask for help here?
[05:26] <jrmy> doesn't seem like much happens around this time of day
[05:43] <jarnos> I think Xubuntu is not responsive. Opening the Applications menu takes sometimes about 5 seconds by 1.6GHz Intel Atom minilaptop that has 1GB RAM.
[05:45] <TheSheep> jarnos: do you have any free space left in your home directory?
[05:45] <jarnos> TheSheep, 2.6GB
[05:46] <TheSheep> jarnos: does the ~/.cache directory exist and is not set to read-only?
[05:47] <jarnos> TheSheep, yes
[05:48] <TheSheep> jarnos: is you home on a network-mounted drive?
[05:49] <jarnos> TheSheep, no
[05:49] <TheSheep> and it takes 5s every time, or only the first time after you install something?
[05:51] <jarnos> TheSheep, not every time
[05:54] <TheSheep> jarnos: it does take longer when there were cahnges it the menu -- it has to rebuild it, that's normal
[05:55] <TheSheep> (perhaps it could display the old menu and update it when it finishes rebuilding, but for some reason they didn't do it that way)
[05:55] <jarnos> TheSheep, 5 sec is still too much.
[05:56] <TheSheep> they accept patches
[05:59] <jarnos> TheSheep, why don't they rebuild it when they change it?
[05:59] <TheSheep> jarnos: to reflect the changes
[06:00] <TheSheep> jarnos: the language in which the menu entries is described is so complicated, that it's faster to recompute the whole menu from scratch than to try to figure out what changed
[06:00] <TheSheep> jarnos: it's the same language that gnome uses
[06:09] <jarnos> TheSheep, it takes long time to open the menu after restart. Sometimes I have to click it twice, or maybe I am not patient enough.
[06:11] <TheSheep> jarnos: there might be some regression in there, personally I didn't notice a problem, but you might want to report a bug
[06:17] <danaka> heya
[07:29] <CrazyGir> does grub2 do anything special to totally hijack the bootloader?
[07:30] <CrazyGir> I have just installed OpenBSD on my laptop, leaving in place my xubuntu partitions (I might come back to this, I'm running through some tests on this laptop), and flagging the OpenBSD partition as bootable, yet grub still takes over
[07:30] <Sysi> grub2 is the bootloader
[07:31] <CrazyGir> ok, I'll rephrase..
[07:31] <CrazyGir> is grub2 doing some new magick that it didn't before, ineffect hijacking the boot sequence?
[07:32] <CrazyGir> If I installed Windows on a partition, one would expect it would take over the boot process from grub
[07:32] <CrazyGir> I've done the same with OpenBSD in the past, and succeeded in this, and I'm not sure why grub would do this now, but I am not familiar with how grub2 is diffent in this regard
[07:33] <Sysi> if you select installer to write bootloader into MBR it should do that
[07:33] <Sysi> nothing should be able to prevent that
[07:33] <Sysi> you can select if you want to install grub2 to partition or to MBR
[07:34] <CrazyGir> right
[07:35] <CrazyGir> theoretcially, grub should not be running :)
[07:44] <CrazyGir> ah, openbsd was nice and did not overwrite my MBR because I was leaving my partition structure in place :)
[07:44] <CrazyGir> fdisk -u <disk> in openbsd changes that, sorry for the noise, grub is not to blame
[07:44] <CrazyGir> :P
[08:43] <gigenieks> Hello all, I was using nLite for creating MINIMAL XP installation .iso which I would use to install in Xubuntu via Virtual Box. But nLite didn't make .iso file it made directory with subdirectories and files. Question is how can I make .ISO file from them? Can I do it in Xubuntu? Or will I need to go in second PC in Windows to do that?
[08:46] <gigenieks> Xfburn for example have option to "burn image" not to make "image (.iso file)".
[08:47] <Sysi> I think that's problem with nlite, not xubuntu
[08:47] <Sysi> you should first find out what you'd need to actually do with those files
[08:54] <gigenieks> not an issue, I have all files (which if I had .iso image would be in that iso) Again: it's like if you had iso image to extract all files from it you get what I have now, and there is process in other way i.e. you have files and you want to create from them iso image
[08:54] <gigenieks> Get it? :)
[08:55] <gigenieks> So you are saying in Xubuntu one can't create .iso image?? :O
[08:55] <gigenieks> ALL the files needed I have.
[09:09] <Sysi> of course you can *somehow* create .iso, but how you're so sure that your ..blob would boot
[09:10] <Sysi> as ansver, I don't know how to create .iso but I could try google
[09:11] <jbrouhard> eh.. huh?
[09:11] <Sysi> mkisofs -o /path/to/xp.iso /path/to/files
[09:13] <Sysi> genisoimage should also work, if xfburn can't burn into virtual disk
[09:21] <gigenieks> just to clarify "mkisofs" and "genisoimage" is terminal commands?
[09:21] <Sysi> terminal apps yes
[09:21] <gigenieks> which is already available in Xubuntu? (*buntu)
[09:21] <Sysi> install if it isn't
[09:22] <jbrouhard> sudo apt-get install mkisofs genisoimage i bet LOL
[09:22] <jbrouhard> or just do a sudo apt-cache search for those terms if all else fails
[09:22] <gigenieks> and what you ment with "if xfburn can't burn into virtual disk"?
[09:22] <Sysi> just other one needed
[09:22] <Sysi> gigenieks: if it can't create .iso files
[09:23] <Sysi> burn data disk but set it to make virtual cd, .iso
[09:25] <gigenieks> Sysi: it can as far as I checked ONLY make "Burn Image (Burn a prepared compilation, i.e. and .ISO file)" I don't have an .ISO file. I want to create one from directory I have. I would also want to do it in GUI not in terminal (as I am very new to Linux)
[09:26] <Sysi> try k3b or brasero
[09:26] <gigenieks> Isn't either of them KDE apps?
[09:26] <Sysi> brasero is gnome
[09:27] <gigenieks> Don't want to add unnecessary kde library yet.
[09:27] <gigenieks> XFCE type program would be awesome!
[09:27] <Sysi> it's not unnecessary if it gives you functionality :P
[09:27] <gigenieks> yes but it could also give me some problems / difficulties
[09:28] <jbrouhard> in what way
[09:28] <jbrouhard> having the libraries cna be a good thing
[09:28] <Sysi> http://www.tuxarena.com/static/tut_iso_ubuntu.php#xfburn
[09:28] <jbrouhard> it doesn't break any XFCE functionality as far as I can tell (I have a crapton of gnome libs running here already)
[09:29] <Sysi> apparently xfburn can do it
[09:32] <gigenieks> jbrouhard: How can I explain it more clearly.. (english not my first language) It's kinda like my approach to things... For example I have old PC and I want to get most of it.. meaning I want to have apps that do exactly what I want, nothing more.. :) I would like to optimize my system as much as one could... READ THIS and you will understand more clearly what I ment with that ----> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7779384&postcount=3
[09:33] <gigenieks> that is kinda my goal in long run
[09:33] <gigenieks> or at least that kinda approach
[09:33] <chebureque> any russians here?)
[09:34] <Sysi> chebureque: #ubuntu-ru should help with xubuntu problems too
[09:34] <chebureque> thx
[09:36] <Sysi> gigenieks: lubuntu/lxde would be a bit more like that than xfce actually
[09:37] <Sysi> if you want to do stuff with very little resources, learn command line
[09:37]  * jbrouhard chuckles
[09:37] <Sysi> it's quite nice actually, logical
[09:37] <jbrouhard> yeah..
[09:38] <jbrouhard> tho i'm chuckling at the forum post
[09:38] <shantanu> hi all
[09:38] <jbrouhard> I can't quite wrap my head around why anyone would wanna be *THAT* anal about their desktop like that
[09:38] <shantanu> need help on nvidia driver installing
[09:39] <shantanu> can't find libc header , please help
[09:39] <TheSheep> !language | jbrouhard
[09:39] <Sysi> how you're installing the driver?
[09:39] <shantanu> from a binary installer
[09:40] <shantanu> downloaded from nvidia site
[09:40] <jbrouhard> er.. wait.. anal is a bad word in here ?
[09:40] <gigenieks> Sysi: I don't want to use LXDE its UGLY! (at least in videos) I want to have nice gui, but optimized to speed! In other words use all your PC's possibilities. That guy in that post doesn't use LXDE he just is optimized etc to MAXIMUM meaning his system probably uses less resources than mine XFCE..
[09:40] <gigenieks> :)
[09:40] <Sysi> gigenieks: then change gtk theme
[09:40] <jbrouhard> didn't know that.  sorry folks
[09:41] <TheSheep> jbrouhard: would you use it speaking to your mom?
[09:41] <Sysi> shantanu: system → additional drivers is preferable way, but you neet linux-headers and glibc-headers for installing propably
[09:41] <Sysi> s/neet/need
[09:42] <shantanu> i tried the first way
[09:42] <jbrouhard> lol...
[09:42] <Sysi> (was package name glibc-headers?)
[09:43] <shantanu> its saying 'you have held broken packages'
[09:43] <Sysi> gigenieks: if you're all in about optimization, gentoo. You need quite plenty oh HDD space then though
[09:44] <shantanu> i installed 'linux-libc-headers-2.6*' but no luck
[09:44] <gigenieks> babysteps I am not trying to do that in one day or one week ;)
[09:44] <gigenieks> and I am new to linux as I told earlier ;)
[09:45] <Sysi> you maybe should try learning first and then optimization
[09:46] <Sysi> gigenieks: lubuntu with very similar theme than xubuntu: http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-efHP8L1xHRI/Ti0jLfr1cBI/AAAAAAAAFfU/TD2m3rHB83k/lubuntu-11.10-artwork.png
[09:49] <gigenieks> very good, default one is just *insert bad word*
[09:49] <Sysi> blue.
[09:50] <Sysi> in lubuntu that is
[11:07] <prc33> When I try to move a file 'bar' from a folder 'foo' to the desktop (i.e. hold SHIFT), I get an error "Error opening file '/home/prc33/bar/bar'." (I'm effectively trying to do "mv /home/prc33/foo/bar /home/prc33/bar"). Any suggestions? (I've modified .config/user-dirs.dirs to have XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/")
[11:13] <knome> prc33, the desktop is not working 100% the same way as a thunar list. i think you've found a bug though (moving across two thunar windows work). i think matching the desktop features with the normal thunar features is WIP, but filing a bug doesn't hurt
[11:14] <prc33> Ok. Yes between folders works and copy to desktop works too
[11:15] <prc33> Should I file the bug with xubuntu or thunar?
[11:16] <knome> maybe even xfdesktop...
[11:17] <knome> i don't know if that exists in launchpad, but in the xfce bugzilla it definitely does
[11:38] <prc33> Another problem that's been cropping up is that sessions seem not to be saved properly. I frequently have to do "rm -r ~/.cache/sessions/" and then login again (this is the lost title bars problem). Is there reason for this?
[11:53] <knome> if you don't need saving sessions, i think turning that off will fix the issue
[11:56] <prc33> as in deselect "Automatically save session on logout"?
[11:57] <knome> yeah
[12:01] <prc33> ok that was already done. nevermind it's not that much of a pain. I think it might related to when "Shutdown" doesn't work (sometimes it just logs out and I have to shutdown from the login screen, and others I have to do 'sudo poweroff')
[12:01] <knome> mmh
[12:01] <prc33> not sure though
[12:01] <knome> sounds like it
[13:11] <slipkid08> hello everyone
[13:11] <bazhang> hi
[13:12] <slipkid08> how's it going?
[13:45] <GridCube> raining
[14:19] <slipkid08> man I love irssi and mutt
[14:20] <slipkid08> never knew there was so much cli fun to be had
[14:20] <slipkid08> :P
[14:25] <slipkid08> i.e. mutt and irssi
[14:25] <charlie-tca> Please use this channel for support of Xubuntu, #xubuntu-offtopic is great for general chat
[14:26] <slipkid08> oh sorry
[14:38] <icule2> hello everyone
[14:38] <icule2> i have a question
[14:39] <Pici> Don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[14:39] <GridCube> !anyone
[14:40] <icule2> ok thanks, how do i rename hard drive icon on desktop?
[14:40] <GridCube> mmm tricky one
[14:41] <GridCube> if its just a link you should be able to modify its name on rigth clic > options
[14:41] <GridCube> but if you reaaally want to change its name you need to edit it whit gparted
[14:42] <GridCube> :D
[14:42] <icule2> ok thanks guys :o)
[14:42] <GridCube> and will automount
[14:42] <GridCube> !fstab
[14:43] <GridCube> or propieties? ... cant remember
[14:44] <GridCube> remember that if you add those disk on the fstab they wont appear on the desktop
[15:08] <Daew> Hello
[15:09] <bazhang> Daew, with what
[15:09] <bazhang> whoops hello
[15:10] <Daew> Im very new to xubuntu (and linux alltogether), can you please help me with smth?
[15:10] <bazhang> Daew, ask a question please
[15:11] <Daew> I am currently in xubuntu session. If I write startx -- :2 I can start a new session, but it is also xubuntu session. How can I start a different session (like xfce or fluxbox)?
[15:12] <Daew> So I can have xubuntu and fluxbox session at the same time on different desktops
[15:12] <bazhang> Daew, you dont get a splash screen? you wish to start up in the text screen then use that command? is that it?
[15:13] <Daew> yes
[15:13] <bazhang> Daew, nope, need different sessions
[15:14] <Daew> I go to new text screen (ctrl + alt + f1) and write startx -- :2 I get new session and I can switch between sessions with ctrl + alt + f7 / +f8 but they are both xubuntu sessions
[15:15] <Daew> I don't know how to start fluxbox, unless I logout from this session
[15:15] <bazhang> thats how
[15:17] <Sysi> put "exec fluxbox-session" or something to your ~/.xinitrc
[15:17] <Sysi> IDK about sessionname but I guess that would work
[15:17] <Daew> Ok ty I will try
[15:18] <GridCube> Daew: you need to start gdm on the new session, there you can choose wich manager to use
[15:19] <Daew> Done, I now have 1 xubuntu session on f8 and fluxbox on f9. Thanks!
[15:20] <Sysi> np
[15:24] <jrmy> where do I find the desktop dir?
[15:25] <Sysi> user's home → desktop
[15:27] <jrmy> sorry about that anyways same question
[15:28] <Sysi> user's home → desktop
[15:29] <jrmy> doesn't seem to be there
[15:29] <charlie-tca> um users home -> Desktop
[15:29] <jrmy> the odd thing is when I logged back in all of my user directories were on my desktop
[15:29] <jrmy> well home folder..
[15:30] <jrmy> but Idk if they're copies or what
[15:30] <charlie-tca> captilization matters for it
[15:31] <jrmy> ok they seem to be the same directories
[15:31] <jrmy> sauerbraten aka cube 2 froze so I went itno tty mode and ran sudo reboot
[15:32] <jrmy> logged back in and now I have this problem..
[15:32] <jrmy> If i try and delete the folders on the desktop they get deleted in my home directory
[15:35] <jrmy> is it called tty mode? I hit ctrl-alt-f1--f6
[15:41] <Daew> What do I have to put in .ixinitrc so that "startx" will start xubuntu session?
[15:42] <jrmy> sorry still getting the hang of irssi
[15:48] <jrmy> so anyone know why my home folder is also on my desktop as if they are both the same files??
[15:48] <jrmy> more so how to fix this
[15:49] <jrmy> aka if i delete \user\home\videos it also deletes the same folder on the desktop
[15:49] <charlie-tca> Sounds like ~/Desktop got removed
[15:50] <jrmy> so perhaps all I need to do is remake the directory?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> worth a try. mkdir /home/USERNAME/Desktop
[15:51] <charlie-tca> then restart and see if it gets fixed
[15:53] <jrmy> ok, rebboting now
[15:55] <bazhang> I read that as rebotting
[15:55] <charlie-tca> That's what it says, too
[16:02] <jrmy> ok, that didn't work
[16:03] <jrmy> I've seen stuff liek this happen before in windows.. but even then I don't understand why it happens..
[16:03] <jrmy> also idk if I even had a desktop folder in the first place
[16:04] <jrmy> does 11.04 come with this? moreover does the alternate version?
[16:04] <charlie-tca> yes, any installation should have a ~/Desktop
[16:04] <jrmy> I wasn't sure what the difference was initially
[16:05] <jrmy> I see that I got a non-live cd version on disc
[16:05] <Sysi> xfdesktop can't function without /home/$USER/desktop
[16:05] <Sysi> or thunar, but anyway
[16:05] <Sysi> removing that folder should be impossible
[16:05] <Pici> From what I've seen in other desktop environments, if you don't have ~/Desktop, it looks at your ~/ instead. Again, I only started using xfce this week, so this might not be applicable.
[16:06] <jrmy> well when I use terminal it says user@user
[16:06] <jrmy> well not user @ user but you know what i mean
[16:07] <jrmy> computer@user
[16:07] <jrmy> no desktop portion like usual
[16:07] <charlie-tca> what wallpaper do you have?
[16:07] <Pici> I'm not sure what you mean.
[16:07] <jrmy> default
[16:08] <charlie-tca> in a terminal, type     cd Desktop      and hit enter
[16:08] <charlie-tca> what happened?
[16:09] <jrmy> no such file or directory
[16:09] <jrmy> whoops forgot to capitalize
[16:10] <jrmy> well i made the directory earlier
[16:10] <jrmy> so yeah it's there Im now in desktop
[16:11] <GridCube> jrmy: desktop folder is made by XDG you dont need to make it
[16:11] <GridCube> if its not there you need to fix XDG
[16:11] <charlie-tca> GridCube: it went away
[16:11] <GridCube> oh
[16:11] <GridCube> sorry then
[16:11] <GridCube> but xdg should recreate it
[16:11] <GridCube> thats what im saying
[16:12] <jrmy> does having 64-bit make any difference?
[16:12] <jrmy> I doubt it myself
[16:12] <GridCube> i could create a Desktop folder on my ~/ but it wont matter because XDG would look for ~/Escritorio
[16:13] <Sysi> jrmy: would you mind losing xfce settings?
[16:13] <jrmy> Sysi: explain xfce settings
[16:13] <Sysi> panel setup etc.
[16:14] <jrmy> the panel would'nt be hard to setup again, I only made one change
[16:14] <charlie-tca> good plan, Sysi. maybe have to erase .cache too
[16:14] <jrmy> so basically the xfce enviroment is going to be reinstalled
[16:15] <jrmy> well as far as I'd, the graphical part
[16:15] <jrmy> know*
[16:16] <jrmy> sudo reboot is a safe way to restart my machine right?
[16:16] <Pici> Yes.
[16:16] <Sysi> not very friendly to xorg maybe
[16:16] <jrmy> ah.. well cube2 froze
[16:16] <Sysi> I just figured that you propably need to reset some setting and I can't find xfdesktop's settings
[16:17] <Pici> It should safely kill xorg and the rest of your processes/services.
[16:17] <jrmy> If any of you know what game that is
[16:17] <jrmy> IS there an equivalent to windows' task manager?
[16:18] <jrmy> as well as a shortcut key to close things
[16:18] <jrmy> perhaps I could just close the unresponsive program in tty
[16:18] <jrmy> or whatever it's called
[16:19] <charlie-tca> jrmy: yes, it is called task-manager or something similar in System menu
[16:20] <Daew> Finally figured how to start custom new sessions. Damn linux is so awesome that I wonder why was I ever using windows before...
[16:21] <Sysi> jrmy: on console you'd use "top" (quit it with pressing q) and kill or killall
[16:22] <jrmy>  so console is what I'm refering to?
[16:22] <GridCube> xkill to kill particular windows
[16:22] <GridCube> if you press alt-f2 and write xkill an X will kill anything you clic then
[16:22] <jrmy> xkill didn't work.. it says it can't hopen Xorg
[16:22] <GridCube> (only once)
[16:23] <GridCube> kill gdm
[16:23] <jrmy> also that's only because I can't do anythign if Xorg's being taken up by teh frozen game.. alt-tab didn't wor
[16:23] <GridCube> oh
[16:24] <jrmy> but I could hjit ctrl-alt-f1
[16:24] <GridCube> press ctrl-alt-F1
[16:24] <GridCube> login use sudo top
[16:24] <jrmy> ok so like sysi was saying
[16:24] <GridCube> i guess
[16:25] <GridCube> if you kill gdm you kill everything above xorg
[16:26] <jrmy> what does top and gdm mean?
[16:27] <GridCube> !top
[16:27] <GridCube> !gdm
[16:27] <GridCube> oh
[16:27] <GridCube> !info top
[16:28] <Sysi> top liststs running processes, what you see gdm being is loginscreen
[16:28] <GridCube> !info gdm
[16:28] <jrmy> I'd assume I'd assume kill gdm would be a last resort
[16:29] <jrmy> top sounds much safer
[16:29] <GridCube> sure, but from top you can kill any process you want
[16:29] <GridCube> (if its sudo'ed)
[16:41] <jrmy> so anyone figure out how to fix my issue?
[16:42] <jrmy> I learned a command that could of prevented my problem but to bad I didn't know before hand.. can't learn how to fix a problem if it never happens..
[16:42] <Sysi> you could try logging out from xfce, login to Ctrl Alt F1 and rm -rf ~/.config/xfce and sudo reboot
[16:43] <jrmy> already using both lol
[16:43] <jrmy> irssi doesn't run right in the xfce terminal
[16:44] <jrmy> so log out of xfce and run that command
[16:45] <jrmy> does it matter how many session I'm using with teh cttrl-alt-f whatever mode? aka one for irssi one for the command
[16:45] <Sysi> not really
[16:45] <jrmy> ok
[16:47] <jrmy> k brb
[16:50] <ChristopherNG> hey folks i just installed a program which came in a .run format.
[16:50] <ChristopherNG> chmod +x thefilename
[16:50] <jrmy> no dice
[16:51] <ChristopherNG> then ./thefilename
[16:51] <Sysi> how did it break your xubuntu?
[16:51] <ChristopherNG> The really n00bish things i cant find it under applications.
[16:51] <ChristopherNG> Nor can i run it from the cli
[16:52] <ChristopherNG> I did sudo apt-cache search teamspeak
[16:52] <ChristopherNG> to try and find the application name but no real luck
[16:52] <ChristopherNG> the program is called teamspeak3 i got it from the website of teamspeak because the version in the repos is old teamspeak2
[16:52] <genii-around> It probably dropped the binary in the directory where you ran the file
[16:52] <Pici> ChristopherNG: apt isn't going to know about something that you installed manually.
[16:53] <charlie-tca> .run doesn't work in debian derivatives
[16:54] <ChristopherNG> genii-around: thanks i actually found it now
[16:54] <charlie-tca> does it?
[16:54] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: I think it does, ive found the program
[16:54] <ChristopherNG> when you do chmod +x and then ./thefilename
[16:54] <Sysi> .run means script, propably something self-extracting
[16:54] <ChristopherNG> it makes a new directory, within that new directory there was a .sh which I ran
[16:55] <Sysi> ChristopherNG: apt shouldn't know it, but it can be in repositories
[16:56] <Sysi> though I don't know what magics teamspeak scripts may do, app itself is propietary afaik
[16:56] <Sysi> mumble is nice open-source
[16:58] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: Yeah I can understand that
[16:59] <ChristopherNG> its fine ive got it working
[16:59] <ChristopherNG> Itsice.teamspeak.com
[16:59] <ChristopherNG> oops
[16:59] <ChristopherNG> ice.teamspeak.com
[16:59] <ChristopherNG> dang my push to talk but in interfering with irssi
[17:01] <ChristopherNG> My problem with PPAs has been that i can download and install the ppa perfectly...
[17:02] <ChristopherNG> the only problem i had was then finding the correct application name.
[17:02] <ChristopherNG> So i was told if i ran "sudo apt-cache search T*"
[17:02] <ChristopherNG> for example teamspeak it would find the package/app name
[17:02] <Pici> You can always do something like: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin    to find the executable names.
[17:02] <ChristopherNG> Pici: is that the easier way of doing it?
[17:03] <Pici> ChristopherNG: Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.
[17:03] <Pici> ChristopherNG: The PPA page on launchpad has the list of packages that it provides.  Also, you don't need to use sudo for apt-cache.
[17:04] <ChristopherNG> Pici: Yeah i noticed that late, its listed on launchpad the executable name of the application.
[17:05] <Pici> ChristopherNG: the exectuable name is not guaranteed to match the package name.
[17:05] <ChristopherNG> Pici: Thats my problem i dont alot of the time, well most of the time know the executable name because i have to guess or it doesnt match the package name.
[17:06] <Pici> ChristopherNG:  This can help you find that: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin
[17:06] <ChristopherNG> OK let me save that! lol
[17:08] <ChristopherNG> will a program run from a terminal always require that terminal to be open?
[17:08] <ChristopherNG> I know Irssi actually opens the program within the terminal itself.
[17:08] <ChristopherNG> but alot of others you type "teamspeak" or whatever and it keeps the terminal open while the program is running, close the terminal and you close the program.
[17:27] <jrmy>  so yeah the thing you had me try didn't work
[17:27] <jrmy> wo now what?
[17:28] <jrmy> I don't remember who gave the instructions because by default irssi doesn't show me the messages sent when I join the channel again
[17:29] <jrmy> definitely a client for programmers.. at least I'm sure it's easier then;some things make sense to me for certain commands because of the little of python I've read and tried
[17:30] <jrmy> which reminds me, I should continue learning that
[17:36] <jrmy> well, this noob is patient for whenever the real geeks feel liek continuing with helping me
[17:53] <GridCube> jrmy: what was your problem again?
[17:54] <jrmy> desktop folder was missing can't get my home folder off of my desktop
[17:55] <jrmy> you were talking about something restoring the desktop dir
[17:58] <Sysi> you maybe should ask #xfce
[17:58] <jrmy> ok
[18:06] <GridCube> jrmy: mmm edit your xdg config files and tell it where you what your desktop dir to be
[18:06] <GridCube> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[18:07] <GridCube> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs
[18:07] <GridCube> s/what/want
[18:09] <jrmy> well thats teh crap thing.. i don't know how to copy text in irssi
[18:09] <jrmy> fffuuuu
[18:09] <jrmy> lol
[18:09] <jrmy> I can't drag my mouse in tty mode
[18:09] <GridCube> cant you start an xorg session?
[18:11] <jrmy> yeah.. but xfce4-terminal dosen't let me use alt-1 or ctrl-x
[18:11] <jrmy> which are essentially if i want to use irssi
[18:11] <GridCube> lol you dont need that
[18:12] <GridCube> xorg copies everything you higlight
[18:12] <GridCube> and pastes it whit middle clic
[18:12] <Pici> You can use screen to copy things into buffers, but I've never actually used it.
[18:13] <TheSheep> also, ctrl+insert, shift+insert and ctrl+del work as usual on any platform
[18:15] <GridCube> also xfce4-terminal is not needed for irssi you can use xterm
[18:15] <Pici> I think jrmy is using a tty.
[18:16] <GridCube> yes
[18:16] <GridCube> i know i said to him to use an xorg session
[18:16] <GridCube> multiple xterm windows ftw
[18:16] <Pici> I think that is a good idea as well.
[18:19] <jrmy> xterm? something i download?
[18:19] <jrmy> don't think ive used it before
[18:20] <jrmy>  got someone else helping me but yeah..
[18:20] <Pici> Its a terminal emulator.
[18:20] <jrmy> I think I'm gonna have you guys help because i have no idea where the ~/.config dir is
[18:21] <jrmy> so I'll go back to Xorg and download xterm and open irssi
[18:21] <GridCube> is on ~/
[18:21] <GridCube> you dont need to download it
[18:21] <GridCube> its always there since xorg was invented
[18:21] <jrmy> how do i open in?
[18:21] <jrmy> it*
[18:22] <jrmy> ok nvm
[18:22] <jrmy> brb
[18:23] <GridCube> start new session whit gdm and choose an xterm session... he is gone right
[18:24] <jrmy> ok so xterm kinda sucks too.. seeing as its white with black text and I can't induce any alt combinations
[18:25] <jrmy> GridCube: but anyways the links again?
[18:25] <jrmy> or whatever you told me
[18:25] <GridCube> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs
[18:25] <GridCube> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[18:26] <GridCube> on an xorg session you can launc xchat from an xterm, if you add an & at the end of the command it will leave the terminal free to use
[18:30] <GridCube> oh well, jrmy so i have to go :/ sorry
[18:30] <GridCube> good luck
[19:55] <feyd> my menu file got changed randomly, it's now displaying EVERYTHING
[19:55] <feyd> any way to revert it to the defaults of a fresh install?
[19:57] <feyd> or can anyone tell me wahat caused it to do what it did?
[20:00] <TheSheep> feyd: everything?
[20:00] <TheSheep> feyd: and what did you do just before that happened?
[20:02] <feyd> to explain 'everything' for instance, my settings submenu now shows all the items from the config settings window control panel thingy. The last thing I did was have trouble starting a normal session from boot, so I tried to run the session manually by just running 'startxfce4' from tty5
[20:02] <feyd> that caused XFCE to open a new session, but it was loading ALL default stuff, no user settings were present
[20:03] <feyd> which makes me assume it just loaded all xfce defaults
[20:26] <ashmew2> Hi , i am on the live CD of Xubuntu , the network manager on top shows me the Wired Network and Wilress Network as disconnected.
[20:26] <ashmew2> I have a Ethernet cable plugged into the system , but it doesnt work ...Help please
[20:29] <jarnos> ashmew2, have you tried to make it work by network manager?
[20:30] <ashmew2> jarnos, how to do that ? It tells me eth0 Auto
[20:30] <ashmew2> I edit it and try and use a static IP ?
[20:31] <Sysi> plug out the cable and back in
[20:32] <ashmew2> and ... ?
[20:32] <knome> kokeile
[20:32] <Sysi> does it work
[20:33] <knome> oooops, wrong channel
[20:33] <ashmew2> no ... :'(
[20:33] <Sysi> knome: but right ansver!
[20:33] <knome> heh, yeah..
[20:33] <Sysi> ashmew2: can you click wired in networkmanager?
[20:34] <ashmew2> Sysi, you mean on the top right with two arrows , i click it , it tells me Wired network Disconnected. I cant click there , i can click on Edit connections
[20:39] <ashmew2> Any help on the no network issue ? I really need to get the network up
[20:56] <AlexDevilLX> BTW
[20:56] <AlexDevilLX> How to install russina in xubuntu?
[20:56] <Sysi> what is russina?
[20:57] <genii-around> Probably russian
[20:57] <genii-around> !info russina
[20:57] <AlexDevilLX> russian
[20:57] <AlexDevilLX> there are cd but no dvds
[20:59] <AlexDevilLX> so i need internet?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:08] <feyd> ok I created a new user on my machine and found that my menu issues are localized to my user
[21:08] <feyd> so what in the home folder can directly affect the XFCE menu?
[21:08] <feyd> there's .config/menu xml files
[21:08] <feyd> and .local/share/applications stuff
[21:08] <feyd> anything else? because those are both empty
[21:10] <charlie-tca> just copy the files from the one that works
[21:10] <feyd> there's nothing to copy over though
[21:11] <charlie-tca> neither user has anything in those?
[21:11] <feyd> thats why im asking what can affect the menu from the home folder, because the 2 things I know of that can are completely empty
[21:11] <feyd> correct
[21:11] <charlie-tca> try deleting .cache then
[21:11] <charlie-tca> on the user that is broken
[21:12] <feyd> I actually did that already too, funny you mention it
[21:12] <charlie-tca> oh, look in .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[21:13] <charlie-tca> That's where they are probably stored then
[21:13] <feyd> oh there is stuff in here, thanks
[21:15] <feyd> this just looks like xfce config sub items prefs files
[21:21] <test34> How can I get ssh-askpass to remember my passphrase until I logout?
[21:30] <test34> nevermind I will use ssh-add & ssh-agent thanks anyways
[21:36] <Larry94> hey
[22:46] <ChristopherNG> Hey folks, my n00b questsion for the day is shell scripting, bash scripting, and bash shell scripting all the same thing, just different buzz words?
[22:47] <ChristopherNG> Im a little confused as why the same language would have these different names.
[22:47] <pleia2> bash is a type of shell, you can have shell scripts which are written in bash, dash, csh, etc
[22:47] <ChristopherNG> so a .sh file can be in bash, dash or sch?
[22:47] <ChristopherNG> csh*
[22:47] <pleia2> yep
[22:48] <pleia2> typically you look at the top of the file to see what it wants to use, if it links to /bin/sh then it uses your default non-interactive shell (in ubuntu that's dash)
[22:48] <ChristopherNG> How similar are they? I mean if you know one is it fairly easy to learn the others?
[22:48] <pleia2> yes, it's pretty easy, the differences tend to be just enough to be annoying :)
[22:49] <ChristopherNG> oh great, I was thinking of learning to write bash scripts, now i find out there are also dash and csh.
[22:49] <pleia2> and zsh, and 50 others ;)
[22:49] <ChristopherNG> well where to start then?
[22:49] <pleia2> ubuntu comes with dash for the system (non-interactive) and bash for the user (when you open a terminal)
[22:50] <ChristopherNG> I think i start with bash
[22:50] <pleia2> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ is what I learned from
[22:50] <pleia2> don't be scared off by "advanced" - it starts you off easy :)
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> is this technically a programming language of sorts?
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> thanks for the link
[22:51] <pleia2> it's a scripting language, strictly speaking scripting is a type of programming
[22:52] <pleia2> (don't tell a real C programmer that though :))
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> Yeah this thing is just getting deeper and deeper, first i started of using linux because i was told to try it since the changes from the old distro i used to use, then i found myself learning the command line, and now bash scripts, and perhaps a CCNA down the road as a part time course whilst still at university doing my degree.
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> there seems to be no end to this! lol
[22:54] <ChristopherNG> All that whilst also doing other projects with my shell account, my vps, making a irc bot etc etc.
[22:54] <pleia2> I made a career out of it :)
[22:55] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: the thing is im at university studying to be an accountant and somewho ive found myself in linux learning all this stuff on the side as a hobby.
[22:55] <pleia2> I used to work in an accounts payable department
[22:55]  * pleia2 notes that this whole conversation is probably better in #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:08] <BurnZeZ> Is there a reason why XFCE refuses to use Nautilus instead of Thunar as the default file manager?