[00:01] <g0th> hi
[00:01] <g0th> suddenly my audio is not working anymore
[00:01] <g0th> I don't understand pavucontrol and the kde multimedia settings at all
[00:01] <g0th> all the names/behaviour there seem totally cryptic to me
[00:01] <g0th> can someone help out?
[00:02] <Daskreech> g0th: what happened?
[00:03] <g0th> I played around because no sound was working in wine
[00:03] <g0th> and now nothing is working
[00:03] <g0th> first off: I dont understand how the sound system works
[00:03] <g0th> there is "multimedia settings" and pavucontrol
[00:03] <g0th> they do not seem to be the same
[00:04] <g0th> in pavucontrol there is "playback, recording, output devices, input devices and configuration
[00:04] <g0th> but to play something I need some output device and I also need to configure it
[00:04] <g0th> so why are the settings "spread out over three tabs"
[00:04] <g0th> and all the names are cryptic to me
[00:05] <g0th> what does "audio adapter" mean in contrast to "internal audio"
[00:05] <g0th> anyway in output devices I just have dummy device
[00:05] <g0th> nothing else seems to show up no matter what I change
[00:06] <g0th> anyone?
[00:06] <OerHeks> internal audio is onboard soundcard
[00:06] <g0th> and audio adapter?
[00:07] <OerHeks> audio adapter is a plugged-in soundcard
[00:07] <OerHeks> internal
[00:07] <g0th> what's the difference?
[00:07] <g0th> isnt it the same?
[00:07] <OerHeks> so my guess is, you have changed in wine the standard sounddevice
[00:07] <g0th> onboard is also "plugged-in" somehow
[00:08] <g0th> I cannot choose a sound device in wine
[00:08] <g0th> if audio adapter and internal audio is the same, then why do I have more options for internal audio in "configuration"?
[00:08] <g0th> and why the heck is there a distinction??
[00:08] <OerHeks> no, those are both differend hardware.
[00:09] <g0th> I dont understand?
[00:09] <g0th> I just have one soundcard
[00:09] <g0th> not two different hardware
[00:10] <g0th> I do not see by your description what the difference should be between "onboard soundcard" and "plugged-in soundcard"
[00:10] <OerHeks> if you are sure, then you might have changed analog audio to digital audio ?
[00:10] <g0th> yes
[00:11] <OerHeks> ah, oke
[00:11] <g0th> but I tried changing it back
[00:11] <g0th> but now I do not get any "hardware devices" anymore
[00:11] <g0th> just the dummy one
[00:11] <g0th> but as I said I don't understand this whole obfuscated mess
[00:13] <g0th> where can I find more information about it?
[00:13] <g0th> it is already 2:13am here
[00:13] <g0th> so I plan to be finnished by around 4am
[00:14] <g0th> now I hit the reset button
[00:14] <g0th> in phonon-system settings
[00:14] <g0th> and now I do not even have internal  or audio adapter
[00:14] <g0th> just "independant devices" or sthg like that
[00:15] <g0th> you are no help at all :(
[00:16] <bazhang> g0th, please dont crosspost, as you are getting help here, thanks
[00:17] <OerHeks> change it in system settings > http://www.kubuntu.org/docs/kquickguide/C/ch03s07.html#sound-soundsystem tab hardware
[00:20] <g0th> ok
[00:20] <g0th> it does not look like that for me at all
[00:20] <g0th> I just have "audio CDs" and "phonon"
[00:21] <OerHeks> phonon > hardware > internal sound - analog stereo duplex
[00:21] <g0th> not there anymore
[00:21] <g0th> I just have "independant" device
[00:21] <g0th> and nothing under "sound device"
[00:22] <g0th> maybe I just have to reboot
[00:22] <g0th> but I hate that
[00:22] <g0th> reminds me of windows where you simply had to reboot to fix an error
[00:23] <g0th> if I at least would understand who phonon and pulse work together and what all those names/etc mean
[00:23] <g0th> I could try to fix it myself
[00:23] <g0th> as it is I am completely lost
[00:24] <bazhang> g0th, its very hard to read what you are posting , as you use the enter key so often
[00:24] <g0th> all right, if you agree to help I will try to use it much less.
[00:26] <g0th> I write one sentence, impatiently waiting for an answer (which is not comming) so I feel like I have to write more and again nothing happens, so I kind of have the bad tendency to repeat: (writing-enter-waiting shortly), sorry
[00:27] <g0th> I already spent more than 15 minutes here without any useful help, that's why I tried #ubuntu...
[00:27] <bazhang> g0th, answers dont always come instantly
[00:28] <g0th> that's why you switch the channel
[00:28] <bazhang> g0th, asking for the general description of PHONON and audio devices is not very specific either
[00:28] <g0th> so what should I do?
[00:28] <bazhang> ask a question with a ton more details
[00:28] <g0th> since I dont understand how they work one of my first questions was where I could find more information about it
[00:29] <g0th> I already gave all the information basically (tons of info)
[00:29] <bazhang> g0th, yes, but it's impossible to read as it's spread over several screens, not all of it relevant
[00:30] <bazhang> g0th, and the channel helpers are the same in several channels, so quickly crossposting elsewhere is meeting the same supporters
[00:30] <g0th> Phonon -> device preference -> there is only "Dummy Output", Phonon -> Audio Hardware Setup -> Hardware -> there is only "Independent devices", Phonon -> Audio Hardware Setup -> Device Configuration -> there is nothing, Phonon -> Backend is set to vlc
[00:31] <bazhang> try setting the backend to something else
[00:31] <g0th> I dont want to but for the purpose to comply with your instructions I will
[00:32] <g0th> it didn't change anything
[00:33] <OerHeks> 'backend' is set on Gstreamer, on my machine
[00:34] <g0th> pavucontrol -> Output devices -> there is just a "dummy output" listed, pavucontrol -> configuration -> there is "audio adapter" (what's that?) and "internal audio" (what's that?), in audio adapter I can select basically analog stereo/mono and digital stereo (IEC958), in internal audio I can select a lot more "analog" variants and under digital it says hdmi out
[00:34] <g0th> I set it to vlc because gstreamer is bloated
[00:34] <g0th> vlc is probably the best of the three backends
[00:35] <bazhang> so you won't try what works?
[00:35] <g0th> I tried all three, nothing changed, ie. nothing works
[00:35] <OerHeks> I never heard of VLC as a backend .. still learning, i guess
[00:36] <g0th> I feel like I have to reboot
[00:36] <g0th> now I already spent like 40 minutes here and I don't one one bit more information than before, I am exactly where I was at the beginning
[00:37] <g0th> can I try a different channel maybe?
[00:39] <g0th> I feel like I know more than you, so I dont see how you can help me
[00:40] <g0th> so much about "help"
[00:40] <g0th> that's exactly why I switched channel
[00:40] <Daskreech> g0th: Hey
[00:40] <Daskreech> sorry got called away
[00:40] <bazhang> g0th, that impatience wont get quicker answers
[00:40] <Daskreech> You have pulseaudio installed?
[00:41] <g0th> impatience? 50 minutes?
[00:41] <g0th> yes
[00:41] <g0th> I did the following: killall pulseaudio, then ran pulseaudio again, now suddenly everything works again
[00:41] <g0th> so somehow "pulseaudio" got into a state of "no recovery"
[00:42] <Daskreech> sounds like a Pulseaudio device with configurations for it specifically
[00:42] <g0th> can you explain to me what "audio adapter" and "internal audio" means?
[00:43] <Daskreech> internal audio is Pulse I think. It's a kinda generic repreesntation of onboard sound
[00:43] <g0th> as far as I know I have exactly one soundcard, or does the fact that I see "internal audio" and "audio adapter" mean that I have two?
[00:43] <szal> g0th: 'lspci -k' to pastebin please
[00:44] <g0th> http://pastebin.com/cNMLduX4
[00:44] <Daskreech> Audio adapter is a device specific set of drivers. It can have much less or much more than the generic internal audio depending on how much implementation has gone to the interface as well as the driver for that device
[00:44] <Daskreech> It's the same card just two different ways of looking at it
[00:44] <g0th> ok
[00:44] <Daskreech> You are probably safer using internal audio
[00:44] <g0th> why?
[00:45] <Daskreech> For most cards the combination of UI and driver implementation means you will probably get less utility than the cross the board generic implementation
[00:45] <g0th> can I quickly reboot the desktop? I will be back in 1 minute.
[00:45] <Daskreech> g0th: Just log out and back in
[00:45] <Daskreech> ok
[00:47] <g0th> re
[00:48] <g0th> under "phonon->Audio Hardware setup->hardware" I can select either audio adapter or internal audio, so you say I should change this to internal audio?
[00:49] <g0th> hmm
[00:49] <g0th> I have a reproducable bug
[00:50] <g0th> audio hardware -> internal audio -> profile -> switch to digital -> apply -> switch back and audio is not working anymore
[00:51] <g0th> brb (reboot desktop again)
[00:54] <g0th> re
[00:55] <Daskreech> Do you have a digital output?
[00:55] <g0th> so some settings can just be undone by killing pulseaudio, logout and login again. If I eg. just kill pulsaudio (and start it again) the configuration menu looks different (but still works somehow)
[00:55] <g0th> yes
[00:55] <Daskreech> One of the other things that I find is setting priority. If you do it for a whole classs it normally works
[00:56] <g0th> it is my only audio out that is connected at the moment
[00:56] <Daskreech> Like demoting the audio device
[00:56] <Daskreech> ok
[00:56] <g0th> strangely I still hear audio even if the soundcard is set to analog stereo
[00:57] <g0th> and everything seems to completely fail if I set it to digital (as said the only way to recover from that is to kill pulseaudio, logout, login)
[00:58] <g0th> now what do I need to do if I want to have 5.1 surround or dts or thx or any of those things?
[01:00] <g0th> hmm in fact any change of the settings seems to be irreversable, i.e. I cannot set it back to default without killing everything and restarting everything again
[01:00] <Daskreech> That you might have to ask in #phonon or #pulseaudio :)
[01:00] <Daskreech> I've never been that big into sound
[01:00]  * Daskreech only recently got speakers and headphones
[01:01] <g0th> well my original problem was that audio was not working in a game from wine and somehow it seemed as if wine selected my microphone as audio output device
[01:01] <g0th> so my guess was that wine somehow uses pulseaudio and something with pulseaudio is wrong
[01:02] <g0th> then I opened the settings for pulseaudio (pavucontrol) and tried out digital, then as I mentioned I cannot just turn it back, I found out that I have to kill pulseaudio, logout, login
[01:02] <g0th> now I am back at the beginning, no working audio in wine
[01:02] <g0th> maybe it works if I unplug the microphone, then there is no chance that wine will even see it
[01:03] <bazhang> wine?
[01:03] <g0th> but i need the microphone quite often and each time I unplug it I have to move the whole table/computer around to unplug the cable behind, so that would really be a biiig nuissance
[01:03] <bazhang> that s the culprit then. first mention I've seen of wine
[01:03] <g0th> I mentioned it at the beginning
[01:03] <bazhang> ...
[01:03] <g0th> but the issues I had later on are bugs of phonon/pulse not of wine
[01:04] <bazhang> bug link?
[01:04] <g0th> also wine did not cause the non-working of the audio
[01:04] <g0th> it was me trying out the "digital" settings
[01:04] <Daskreech> bazhang: I think g0th was trying to get sound in Wine and killed sound everywhere else
[01:04] <Daskreech> Though I don't know if wine had sound at that point
[01:04] <bazhang> Daskreech, wine is definitely the culprit
[01:04] <g0th> I just explained above what I did
[01:04] <g0th> no it is not
[01:04] <g0th> I have a reproducable bug
[01:04] <bazhang> ok
[01:05] <g0th> (which is completely unrelated to wine)
[01:05] <g0th> (and which explains the problems I had, not the real "reason" behind them though)
[01:05] <bazhang> seen this issues tons of time, wine related, but I guess your case is different
[01:05] <bazhang> -s
[01:06] <g0th> ok, mr. tell me this: I reboot the computer, never touch wine, audio is WORKING, I go to pavucontrol settings and select digital, then I select the original settings -> now the audio is NOT WORKING
[01:06] <g0th> so how is "wine" the culprit of that?
[01:07] <g0th> hmm, or did I wrongly interpret that as sarcasm but it was meant honestly
[01:07] <g0th> in that case I am sorry
[01:07] <bazhang> not sarcasm.
[01:07] <bazhang> I dont do that in support channels.
[01:07] <g0th> sorry
[01:07] <bazhang> np
[01:07] <g0th> do you have experience with these wine issues?
[01:08] <g0th> it is kind of a different problem from what I had before but I still dont have sound in winecfg
[01:08] <bazhang> had sound fail when in conjunction with wine, personally, and as supporter seen people have the issue, so yeah
[01:08] <bazhang> which game(s)
[01:08] <g0th> portal 2
[01:09] <g0th> I also have SC2 installed, there I delesected some dll, lemme chec
[01:09] <g0th> mmdevapi is disabled
[01:09] <bazhang> not checked the appdb lately not sure of issues related to those, ratings, etc
[01:10] <g0th> what I can tell you is that wine gives me the following message:
[01:10] <g0th> err:alsa:ALSA_CheckSetVolume Could not find '{PCM,Line} Playback Volume' element
[01:10] <g0th> err:alsa:ALSA_CheckSetVolume Could not find '{PCM,Line} Playback Volume' element
[01:10] <bazhang> fallout2 totally wrecked my sound though
[01:10] <g0th> fixme:mixer:ALSA_MixerInit No master control found on C-Media USB Headphone Set  , disabling mixer
[01:10] <FloodBotK1> g0th: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:10] <g0th> huh, already for 3 lines?
[01:10] <ys_> heh
[01:11] <bazhang> alsamixer pcm set to mute?
[01:11] <bazhang> seven, but yeah
[01:11] <g0th> oeh, alsamixer pcm is not set to mute
[01:12] <g0th> what "seven"?
[01:12] <ys_> probably means seven lines
[01:12] <g0th> it was three lines
[01:12] <bazhang> ok
[01:13] <g0th> anyway, could you read what I pasted above? (should be three lines)
[01:14] <bazhang> sure; really the best answers for wine issues is #winehq though
[01:14] <g0th> in case not: http://pastebin.com/PP7A8GuS <- from this it seems as ig wine tries to use my mic as audio mixer/output
[01:14] <g0th> ah ok
[01:14] <ys_> hmm, this is the first time I've used quassel.  Not all that shabby...
[01:14] <g0th> I just thought it was a pulse thing
[01:15] <bazhang> I'll websearch nonetheless if you are going to be around
[01:15] <g0th> at my timezone it is 3:15
[01:15] <ys_> not sure if I'm fond of kde4 yet, though...
[01:15] <g0th> so I think I should go to sleep, at least I recovered my normal "audio" :-)
[01:16] <g0th> thanks a lot for the effort/help
[01:22] <ys_> hrm, no offense, but I'm thinking I'll try xfce next...
[01:22] <bazhang> seems like this might be similar
[01:22] <ys_> definitely not gnome3, just seems ungodly
[01:22] <bazhang> ys_, there's #xubuntu if you need help support with that
[01:23] <ys_> sorry, just checking out quassel, never heard of this client before
[01:23] <ys_> trying kde right now
[01:24] <ys_> once kde 3.5 went away, I went to gnome2 for a while, but that's less of an option now...
[01:25] <ys_> I generally try to troubleshoot things myself until I get entirely stuck, but thanks, if I need it I'll look at #xubuntu
[01:26] <ys_> what would you say are your favorite aspects of kde4?
[01:26] <bazhang> ok
[01:27] <bazhang> bit offtopic for here, perhaps try the -offtopic channels
[01:27] <ys_> is it?
[01:27] <ys_> sorry.
[01:28] <ys_> off of the channel name, I assumed it was general kubuntu discussion
[01:28] <bazhang> no big deal, this is the support channel; #kubuntu , #ubuntu , and #xubuntu all have -offtopic channels for opinions, etc
[01:28] <ys_> thanks
[01:28] <ys_> just went where the program wanted to take me when I launched it, haha.
[01:29] <ys_> been using xchat for the most part
[01:29] <bazhang> quassel is nice, you can use it regardless if its gnome kde4, xubuntu or whatever
[01:29] <ys_> yeah, I use ktorrent a lot on my gnome2 boxes
[01:30] <ys_> well, if I need anything I'll catch you guys later.  battery is about dead, and the LUGNuts group I'm at is winding down now.
[01:31] <naught101> my touchpad isn't being recognised at all. Anyone know how I would find out if it's a hardware or software problem?
[03:00] <akSeya> hi folks :)
[03:01] <akSeya> i have just installed kubuntu on my notebook, well the FN key with the brightness keys does not work. I found out that I must add "acpi_osi=linux acpi_backlight=vendor" to my grub.cfg  on the line started with GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT . The problem is, i don't have this line on my grub.cfg. What can I do?
[03:04] <pablo> Maybe you should write it by yourself
[03:26] <frogonwheels> akSeya: make sure you have the correct instructions for grub vs grub2
[03:27] <frogonwheels> akSeya: ah. presumably if you have a grub.cfg you're in grub2
[03:28] <frogonwheels> akSeya: ahhhh.. the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT is in /etc/default/grub
[03:31] <szal> akSeya, frogonwheels: indeed, that is in /etc/default/grub -> add that value there, then run 'sudo update-grub'
[03:36] <selvakumaran> does kubuntu has anything like s/w center as ubuntu?
[05:12] <bonifal> Hello .I still use Ubuntu 8.04.How could I get an old version of Flash player for it,since the new versions on the Adobe site will not work.Any idea?
[05:14] <rww> You can't, because 8.04 Desktop packages are no longer supported or maintained
[05:14] <rww> !eol
[05:18] <bonifal> But how could I know,which Adobe Flash Player version is best fitted for Ubuntu 8.04?And then could not I find this version somewhere on the net?
[05:18] <bonifal> thanks RWW...
[05:21] <hood> Cannot find demux plugin for MRL "fifo:/home/hood/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/dvbpipe.m2t".
[05:21] <hood> ??
[05:22] <hood> ??
[05:47] <LINKSWORD2> Hey ya'll. I've got a rather big issue going on with Amarok.
[05:47] <LINKSWORD2> DarkwingDuck: If you're available, I'd like to confer with you on this issue.
[05:52] <LINKSWORD2> When I click on a song file to play, I get the "bouncing" icon for Amarok next to the mouse cursor, and then I get message on screen that the application has crashed.
[05:52] <DarthFrog> Try running Amarok from the command line and see if any error messages are reported back there.
[05:53] <LINKSWORD2> I'm not familiar with how to do that.... :/
[05:53] <DarthFrog> Press Alt-F2, type "konsole".  In that terminal window that pops up, type "amarok".
[05:54] <LINKSWORD2> I've decided I like Linux - especially Kubuntu - quite a lot. But as for as Linux in general is concerned, I'm a n00b....
[05:54] <DarthFrog> We all were once. :-)
[05:56] <LINKSWORD2> DarthFrog: I need to Pastebin the results.
[05:56] <LINKSWORD2> And I hope you can make sense of them.... :\
[05:56] <LINKSWORD2> !pastebin
[05:58] <LINKSWORD2> DarthFrog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/664750/
[05:59] <DarthFrog> Hmm, that's above my pay grade.  I can't help you, sorry.
[06:00] <LINKSWORD2> .... You get paid for this?
[06:01] <DarthFrog> Yeah, I'll send you your bill in the morning. :-)
[06:01] <DarthFrog> It's justa  saying.
[06:01] <LINKSWORD2> I'm so broke, I can't pay attention.....
[06:02] <DarthFrog> I know that situation all too well.
[06:02] <LINKSWORD2> Know anyone that can help me figure that out???
[06:03] <DarthFrog> You could try this.  Type all of this between the quotes on one line in the konsole terminal: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".  That'll bring your system completely up to date and perhaps will remedy your problem.
[06:04] <DarthFrog> You're in the right place to get the help you need.  You'll want to ask again when there's more folks active here.
[06:05] <LINKSWORD2> We shall see... :P
[06:05] <LINKSWORD2> 0 new, 0 upgraded, 0 removed.
[06:06] <LINKSWORD2> So, that didn't help...
[06:06] <DarthFrog> You're up to date then.
[06:06] <LINKSWORD2> Should I remove Amarok and see if re-installing it helps?
[06:07] <DarthFrog> Give it a shot.  Try waving a dead chicken at it, too.  That's an old folk remedy for computer glitches. :-)
[06:08] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[06:13] <LINKSWORD2> DarthFrog: Is there an audio player in particular that you use / like?
[06:14] <DarthFrog> I really like Amarok.
[06:14] <LINKSWORD2> Yep. Me too.
[06:14] <LINKSWORD2> I'd wondered if you might be using something different.
[06:14] <LINKSWORD2> That's why I asked.
[06:15] <DarthFrog> You can try Banshee or Rhythmbox.
[06:16] <DarthFrog> I think JuK is another one.
[06:16] <DarthFrog> !juk
[06:16] <DarthFrog> !banshee
[06:16] <DarthFrog> I used to use XMMS.
[06:23] <LINKSWORD2> I'MMA KILL THIS THING!!!!
[06:27] <LINKSWORD2> DarthFrog: I'm going to have to shutdown, probably come back when more active people are on.
[06:27] <LINKSWORD2> Probably get collaborative help, rather than from one person in the middle of the night.
[06:29] <baffone85> hello
[06:29] <LINKSWORD2> 'Ello mate.
[06:29]  * LINKSWORD2 slaps self.
[06:29] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, baffone85.
[06:31] <baffone85> i have a problem with software gerix, i can't unistall it, why?
[06:31] <LINKSWORD2> I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that software.
[06:32] <baffone85> ok thank's
[06:32] <LINKSWORD2> I'd do my best to help you, but I'd rather not try, without some kind of experience with that program.
[06:32] <baffone85> okok
[06:32] <LINKSWORD2> I wish you luck.
[06:32] <LINKSWORD2> Good night.
[07:31] <giantpune> hi, i have just purchased a new hard drive and installed it in my computer.  it is one of these 4069-sector-size HDDs.  and not matter what i do, i cant get (k)ubuntu to format it and create a partition without then showing the error about a misaligned partition.  does anybody have any experience with these things?
[08:39] <alvin> giantpune: I have, on FreeBSD. Doesn't the drive lie to the OS about the sector size?
[08:40] <giantpune> they say its supposed to, but the ubuntu disk utility seems to know the difference
[08:40] <giantpune> i finally figured it out.  if i use gparted and tell it to leave 1 MB of free space before the partition, the partition utility dont complain about the alignment
[08:40] <alvin> Yes, that is the trick
[08:41] <alvin> A pity. I wish the drives would just say: I'm a 4k sectors. No Windows XP or older and be done with it.
[08:42] <alvin> I expect it will be like that in a few years.
[08:43] <giantpune> would be nice if they just put a button in the disk utility when you create a partition "align to sector boundries" or something like that.  why wolud it let you create a partition and then wait until its done it to complain about it?
[08:44] <alvin> That's a good idea. I wouldn't know if there is a reason not to implement something like that.
[08:45] <alvin> ah, the partition software wouldn't know about sector boundaries of course. It's the lying disks. You'd have to have a database of hard disks to know that.
[08:45] <giantpune> so how does it know to complain about it after the partition is created?
[08:45] <alvin> There are 2TB disks with real 512, and with fake. Partitioner can't know the difference
[08:46] <alvin> Hmm, true
[08:46] <giantpune> seems like it could perform the exact same check before it does the formatting
[10:10] <NathanaelG> hi all
[10:10] <NathanaelG> anyone using kubuntu 11.4 and opera?
[10:20] <OutOfControl> Hi all
[10:43] <u19809> hi all, I have trouble with my networkmanager who things my cable is unplugged and refuses to setup my wired lan
[10:43] <u19809> running ifup does work if I put eth0 in my interfaces file
[10:45] <bazhang> !crosspost | u19809
[10:46] <u19809> bazhang : sorry about that but I do not know if networkmanager is KDE related or not
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:45] <cher> Hm. I have problems setting up multiple monitors. I tried on 4 different machines. A Turion X2 Ultra 64 laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850, a Llano A8-3850, a Zbox with Fusion and another PC with Fusion. The problem always is the same: Only clone works. Right of is not accepted. On the Turion, it used to work with Kubuntu 9.04.
[11:45] <cher> Can anyone point me to a kubuntu documentation on multiple monitors?
[11:47] <cher> I'm using the proprietary ATI driver btw..
[11:48] <diasflec> hello
[11:49] <diasflec> I need a little help. I'm using Kubuntu 10 and want to install flash player, divx and xvid
[11:50] <diasflec> I downloaded the files but have no idea how to install them
[11:50] <diasflec> any advice?
[11:51] <cher> diasflec: What is the file extension of the files?
[11:51] <BluesKaj> diasflec,open a terminal and install kubuntu-restricted-extras , instead
[11:51] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:51] <diasflec> the files were tar.gz b ut I hve uncompressed them
[11:52] <BluesKaj> !restricted
[11:52] <diasflec> BlueKaj - I have no idea what you said :)
[11:52] <cher> diasflec: Do what BluesKaj said :)
[11:52] <diasflec> sudu?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> diasflec, are you familar with package managers ?
[11:54] <diasflec> not at all I installed Linux today for the 1st time
[11:54] <diasflec> never used it before
[11:55] <BluesKaj> which linux distro arte you using , diasflec ?
[11:55] <BluesKaj> are
[11:56] <diasflec> Kubuntu 10.4 lts I believe
[11:56] <diasflec> er 10.04 lts
[11:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:58] <BluesKaj> se the Blue "k" on the lrft , that called the kicker , it's basically the path to all the installed applications , similar to the start button in windows
[11:58] <BluesKaj> see
[11:59] <diasflec> up
[11:59] <diasflec> Yup
[12:00] <BluesKaj> click on it  , apps> system>package manager ,
[12:02] <diasflec> I see the Software Manager but i dont have a package manager
[12:02] <diasflec> software manager is essentially add/remove progs
[12:02] <diasflec> is this what you are looking for?
[12:02] <diasflec> or rather whay we are looking for?
[12:02] <diasflec> ;)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> same thing
[12:03] <diasflec> k
[12:03] <diasflec> Tge thig is that it builds me a predefined list of programs
[12:03] <diasflec> how can I point it to my download folder to read the files I have already downloaded
[12:03] <diasflec> tge thig = the thing
[12:03] <diasflec> (new keyboard)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> the package manager has repository servers out on the internet that contain many other apps that can be installed on your pc . so type or copy and paste kubuntu-restricted-extras in the searchbar , then click on it an choose install, when it's listed
[12:09] <diasflec> ok
[12:10] <BluesKaj> diasflec, the programs you downloaded happen to be already bundled in the restricted extras package , if youll check the info post above ...just delete the downloaded apps to trash
[12:16] <diasflec> brb baby crying
[12:17] <cher> How do I find out which proprietary ATI driver and which version kubuntu installed for me?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> cher, look in the package manager for ati installed packages
[12:19] <cher> Thanks. is there also a faster way? I.e. a command line?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> it's not purist but it works... apt-cache policy ati ? , maybe
[12:21] <cher> Neither works. It seems the proprietary ATI driver is not provided as package, only the wrapper.
[12:21] <cher> The wrapper package that I found is xserver-xorg-video-ati.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> cher, do you have an additional drivers app in kmenu>apps>system?
[12:22] <cher> Ah hold on I now found something: fglrx-amdcccle
[12:23] <cher> Yes I have, and I want to find out what's going wrong. w/o additional / proprietary driver, multiple monitors work but gfx are awfully slow. w/ additonal driver, gfx are fast, but multiple monitors don't work.
[12:24] <cher> And looking at the version info of that, I get 2:8.840-0ubuntu4 which is not very helpful. I want to know if it is the 11.7 driver from AMD or not.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> so you obviously already checked out the sttings in system settings >display&monitor
[12:25] <cher> Oh definitely I did. What happens is that only clone works.
[12:26] <cher> And I want to check if I have the latest catalyst driver, or if an upgrade might help.
[12:26] <cher> I also have a problem with my Llano, it says "unsupported hardware" in a semi-transparent window that I can't get rid of.
[12:27] <cher> But the clone issue is on all 4 PCs: Turion laptop, two Fusions and a Llano.
[12:29] <cher> How would I find out which files are part of a specific pkg?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> KRandR?
[12:30] <cher> Yep.
[12:31] <cher> Maybe I need to run amdcccle instead. I'll give that a try.
[12:35] <BluesKaj> cher, I have very little experience with ati , that was a while back before I discovered nvidia
[12:39] <cher> I found my solution at least for the Fusions. When I run sudo amdcccle, I can properly configure multiple monitors.
[12:40] <cher> Plus I have the impression that when kubuntu installs amdcccle, it installs old crap from 2009.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I don't mind older apps/drivers as long as they work
[12:42] <diasflec> bluekaj - thanks for the help, I have 'daddy duties' to attend to, but I will likely pop by again later
[12:42] <diasflec> thnks again
[12:42] <BluesKaj> diasflec, ok , cool ...little ones come first :)
[12:42] <maiqiang> is there anyone who can give me some help with adding an additional language?
[12:45] <cher> The problem is that the old driver does not work properly with Llano :D
[12:50] <maiqiang> i've gone through the steps to add simplified chinese (my default language is english) and chosen ibus as an input method.  i've added pinyin as an input method in ibus.  but when i open a new document in libreoffice and try and type pinyin (after pressing ctrl+space) it is still only typing english.  if i right click the ibus icon it shows chinese pinyin as being chosen and the input method on, but still i can only type in english.  any suggestions?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> maiqiang, the only thing I can suggest is , system settings >inptu devices>keyboard>ayouts>configure layouts >add ...is this part of the procedure you tried already ?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> input
[13:00] <maiqiang> BluesKaj, thanks for the suggestion.  i  don't want to change the keyboard layout.  before i switched to kubuntu 11.04 i was using ubuntu maverick.  all i had to day to toggle back and forth between chinese and english was type ctrl+spacebar.  right now, doing that does nothing
[13:01] <cher> How do I tell kubuntu in grub to not start X / kdm during startup?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> maiqiang, I thought you could setup a switch layouts on that page
[13:03] <BluesKaj> cher, do you want to start X / kdm manually ?
[13:03] <cher> I want to not start it at all.
[13:03] <cher> Maybe manually later, depends.
[13:04] <maiqiang> BluesKaj, maybe i'm misunderstanding you.  i understand layouts to mean the map of the keyboard, i.e. where each letter is?  is that correct?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> choose the kernel in grub and click the  "e" key to edit , but I dunno which line
[13:06] <maiqiang> BluesKaj, also, i just noticed that quassel (which i'm using now) i am able to switch by turning the input method on and off after right clicking the ibus icon.  but in libreoffice i am not able to turn it on.  maybe the problem is in libreoffice
[13:08] <cher> Oh sh*t. Obviously kubuntu installed itself in a way that I cannot access grub. It boots right away without letting me control anything.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> maiqiang, this is beyond my experience ..I'll have to defer to someone who has more knowledge ...whoever that may be :)
[13:09] <BluesKaj> cher, hold the shift key down right after the bis scrn to load grub
[13:09] <BluesKaj> bios
[13:09] <cher> okay I'll try, that sounds like a good hint :)
[13:10] <maiqiang> BluesKaj, thanks just the same.  i posted the question in the forums almost a month ago, but never received any replies
[13:11] <BluesKaj> maiqiang, what about the chinese chats , have you asked there ?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> !cn
[13:11] <maiqiang> BluesKaj, not yet, but that is a good idea.  thanks!
[13:11] <cher> Tried three times, doesn't work.
[13:12] <maiqiang> ubottu, got that, thanks
[13:12] <cher> I think I'll change the distribution. Kubuntu is giving me too much head-ache, and it is not transparent and not intuitive enough.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> hold the shift key down , don't just press it for a sec
[13:13] <cher> I held it down...
[13:15] <BluesKaj> I don't think changing distros is gonna help with multiple  monitors on ati graphics , cher
[13:15] <cher> The problem is not only the multiple monitors stuff. I got it working, but it used the old driver. I tried to update the driver, and now X crashes in a way that the console is inaccessible, too.
[13:16] <cher> Because of this upstart crap and the bogus grub installation, I can't recover the machine without booting a live distro, mounting the ssd and then fixing the stuff.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> and wait til the bios scrn drops , then hold theshift key down , not before
[13:16] <cher> But this should not be necessary. Exactly this admin stuff is what the runlevels of Init V were designed for, and upstart stole them from me.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> one can still runb scripts in the runlevels and init if you want , upstart can be disabled I'bve heard , but not sure how
[13:19] <cher> Well, it's too late :)
[13:20]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[13:26] <g0th> hi
[13:26] <g0th> how do I move widgets in the main kde panel?
[13:26] <g0th> e.g. the taks manager, I want it to be in the middle
[13:31] <BluesKaj> g0th, click on the cashew on the right side of the panel to open it than drag the taskbar to the middle and hold it there for a few secs and the spacewill appear then release the mouse ,move the cursor above tha panel and click
[13:45] <kazutoshi> good morning
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi kazutoshi
[13:46] <kazutoshi> http://g1.globo.com/tecnologia/noticia/2011/08/cientistas-apresentam-robo-que-aprende-pensa-e-age-sozinho.html
[13:46] <linux-beginner-h> are there digikam users here? I have spend hours and hours to get this application working... but face recognation does not work!
[13:47] <g0th> BluesKaj: thanks
[13:47] <kazutoshi> artificial intelligence is higher than i think
[13:48] <BluesKaj> !ot | kazutoshi
[13:48] <kazutoshi> japanese gots to build a system that learn, think and make anything alone
[13:48] <kazutoshi> ok sorry
[13:50] <BluesKaj> g0th,np
[13:52] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:45] <raevin> anyone know how to block AIM contacts in Kopete?  I can't seem to find a way to do it and don't know if I'm overlooking something
[16:13] <Migue-Chan> hi there
[16:15] <eMyller> hi, Migue-Chan
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[16:47] <phoenix_firebrd> i am updating to kde 4.7 though backports, the update process has hungup or i see no progress after 74%, shall i end this process and use "dpkg --reconfigure -a" or is there any other alternate?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, apt-get update and upgrade first, then dist-upgrade , dpkg --configure -a should work to stop the frozen packages
[17:37]  * Daskreech hugs valorie
[17:54] <systemclient> is there a nice too which shows me how long my webpage loads?
[17:56]  * mendred has gone fishing: Gone away for now
[17:56]  * mendred is back.
[17:59]  * systemclient found firebug
[18:05] <kazutoshi> what channel to brazilian user
[18:06] <rww> !br
[18:06] <kazutoshi> thanks a lot
[18:07] <systemclient> !nl
[18:25] <linux-beginner-h> I have a question to tagging in digikam... when I configure picasa to save tags into file... can digikam read this?
[19:18] <tog000> hello everyone, i'm having a strange problem: all mi terminal windows are going "black", i can tell there is content because there are scrollbars, but the window is black
[19:18] <tog000> same thing happens when running xterm
[19:18] <tog000> i recently upgraded to kde 4.7
[20:15] <kazutoshi> i need a complete gcc manual of ubuntu in portuguese but i was banned of ubuntu br
[20:16] <kazutoshi> the cambridge gcc book cost 30000 $ and i dont have it
[20:17] <kazutoshi> maybe 150$?
[20:18] <kazutoshi> there are a lot of ubuntu users in brazil, but and if you translate a complete guide of gcc to ubuntu maybe is a good deal
[20:20] <kazutoshi> maybe translatiion is a good deal to ubuntu comunity i need that
[20:21] <esmirlin> hey guys i'm having some problems, kubuntu (kde) doesn't work very fluent on my machine... like if it was too heavy, i'm using an Acer with catalyst video card and 4G RAM... is that normal? (i'm have the 32bits version installed)
[20:23] <kazutoshi> ubuntu get money with books so i need a gcc complete guide to ubuntu
[20:24] <kazutoshi> it must be in portuguese
[20:25] <kazutoshi> my english is not good and i dont wanna give up ubuntu
[20:28] <OerHeks> GCC manual portugese is not a free download somewhere, kazutoshi
[20:29] <kazutoshi> i dont wanna free manual i could pay 150$
[20:30] <OerHeks> as this has nothing to do with Kubuntu, please ask in #Ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <kazutoshi> free manual doesnt have what i need, i need to learn program in gcc but 13000$ is too much
[20:30] <kazutoshi> i could buy a house in brazil with 13000$
[20:44] <RonaldJ> What is the best program for Twitter under Kubuntu?
[20:47] <OerHeks> RonaldJ, i use tweetdeck plugin in chromium. else there is Qwit and Twitux
[20:49] <yofel> RonaldJ: there's choqok too which I use for identi.ca - but 'best' is hard to say
[20:50] <RonaldJ> OerHeks yofel I'm going to try chromium
[20:50] <RonaldJ> Thanks
[20:50] <OerHeks> i think that is the best one, but i keep my mind open for a better programm.
[21:10] <linux-beginner-h> why is there an official release announcement for face recognition... if this does not work in digikam?=
[21:12] <RonaldJ> OerHeks It would be nice to have messages on nthe desktop when I have a Direct Message or a metion of new post in a list I follow. Twitter in Chromium can not do that...
[21:13] <esmirlin> hey guys i'm having some problems, kubuntu (kde) doesn't work very fluent on my machine... like if it was too heavy, i'm using an Acer with catalyst video card and 4G RAM... is that normal? (i'm have the 32bits version installed)
[21:14] <OerHeks> RonaldJ, yes it can, just checked it > http://picpaste.com/pics/twitter-iik1Nsiv.1313270021.png
[21:14] <OerHeks> click om ' twitter>  ' and select Direct messages
[21:16] <RonaldJ> Do you get a message on your desktop when you receive a new mention?
[21:16] <RonaldJ> or dm
[21:18] <OerHeks> ah notification .. no
[21:19] <OerHeks> that is because twitter is in a browser, not standalone app
[21:19] <anderson> hello
[21:20] <OerHeks> hi anderson
[21:21] <anderson> hi what's up OerHeks
[21:23] <erikdecker> hey does anyone have the source code for kde 4 kickoff app launcher
[21:24] <vio>  if i use the live cd on a mac, will i be able to access the mac partition and delete files etc?
[21:25] <OerHeks> anderson, just trying to help and understand Kubuntu, this is the official support channel :-)
[21:25] <OerHeks> erikdecker, kickstart i asume ?
[21:25] <erikdecker> i believe so
[21:26] <erikdecker> its the thing in the bottom left corner
[21:26] <erikdecker> i think thats the short name
[21:26] <anderson> yeah short name
[21:26] <OerHeks> it should be in the repository's, enable source code in softwaresources ?
[21:26] <erikdecker> thought so
[21:27] <erikdecker> how specifically could i do that
[21:29] <OerHeks> open Kpackagekit, and select any deb-src
[21:29] <erikdecker> ok i added the conocail source
[21:32] <vio> if i use the live cd on a mac, will i be able to access the mac partition and delete files etc?
[21:32] <erikdecker> yes
[21:32] <erikdecker> vio i believe so
[21:32] <erikdecker> i can access my windows partition for kubuntu
[21:33] <vio> thanks, it should be in /dev/hda or something?  ya but not sure about mac bootcamp or whatever
[21:33] <vio> if that would bar access to it
[21:33] <erikdecker> yep
[21:33] <vio> ?
[21:33] <vio> sry, dont know what you mean, thx for help tho btw
[21:34] <erikdecker> ok so by the way i cant find the kickoff source
[21:35] <vio> hmm
[21:35] <erikdecker> (vio)  well if you go into Dolphin and it shows you harddrives and partitions on the left side
[21:36] <vio> ah ok thx.  i know that.  just wanted to double check if that partition would be accessible in the live cd for sure
[21:37] <erikdecker> oh live cd. i still dont see why not
[21:47] <Ludere> Good day
[21:52] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: Still noone in #digikam talking to you?
[21:53] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: yes... told me that I should wait unti the next update will come
[21:53] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: will take some time... too much time :-)
[21:54] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: but there are also dk2 users... where this feature is working fine...
[21:54] <Daskreech> erikdecker: It's on the KDE code repos
[21:54] <erikdecker> were is that
[21:57] <Daskreech> erikdecker: The Git repository
[21:57] <erikdecker> what is the url
[21:57] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: You could pull the source :)
[21:58] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: sure...
[21:58] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: There is probably a dk2 ppa
[21:58] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: I will try another ppa package first... and then I try to compile git
[21:59] <Daskreech> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/13c4705bdf785389695e7e62001cace72b77467a/show/plasma/desktop/applets/kickoff
[21:59] <Daskreech> erikdecker: ^^
[22:03] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: I have a low internet connection... seems that I need to many dev tools and headers.. which are currently not installed...
[22:04] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: Oh yeah. I wasn't really putting that as a first choice.
[22:04] <Daskreech> a PPA would be better as a first choice
[22:05] <Daskreech> though I do know quite a number of people who just have the PPA as too slow. Pretty much live on Git. 2 days old is just waaaay old
[22:08] <erikdecker> ok
[22:13] <Daskreech> erikdecker: enjoy
[22:19] <yesitisjustme> hello anyone used ntop?
[22:41] <Daskreech> yesitisjustme: like network top?
[22:41] <Daskreech>  I've heard of it :)
[22:47] <yesitisjustme> i think it suppose to measure bandwidth usage but i never used it before
[22:49] <Daskreech> yesitisjustme: try it then :)
[22:51] <yesitisjustme> is cause i need a usage monitor that could monitor for 1 month
[22:52] <yesitisjustme> and if i don't wich one does it i will have to keep downloading till i find one
[22:53] <Daskreech> munin ?
[22:57] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, Daskreech
[22:57] <Daskreech> hi
[23:00] <yesitisjustme> does anyone use any thing like netmeter but for linux
[23:02] <LINKSWORD2> Perhaps. What is netmeter, exactly?
[23:04] <yesitisjustme> netmeter tells you how much bandwidth you used like example if your internet has a cap you want to make sure you don't pass it
[23:08] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm.... I've got an idea. Be right back,.
[23:09] <LINKSWORD2> Got one for you, yesitisjustme
[23:09] <LINKSWORD2> http://alternativeto.net/software/netmeter/?platform=linux
[23:09] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: Mind if I PM?
[23:10] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: guess not
[23:11] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a rather odd problem...
[23:12] <LINKSWORD2> I've attempted to open a music file and have previously set Amarok as the default audio player.
[23:12] <LINKSWORD2> When I open any audio file, Amarok crashes.
[23:13] <LINKSWORD2> When I run Amarok through the Konsole terminal, I get these results: http://paste.ubuntu.com/664750
[23:13] <OerHeks> LINKSWORD2, happened here too, 2 days ago, i had to remove ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/* to resolve this
[23:14] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, OerHeks. And thanks - Now how do I remove that? :P
[23:15] <yesitisjustme> LINKSWORD2 but i don't think it shows the alternatives
[23:15] <OerHeks> i just removed it with Dolphin, logged out an logged back in, and rescan my music
[23:15] <LINKSWORD2> Perhaps the better question, OerHeks, is - "How do I find that to remove it?"
[23:16] <OerHeks> in Dolphin, first enable hidden files
[23:16] <OerHeks> the . before kde means hidden
[23:16] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: in ~/.kde/share/apps
[23:17] <OerHeks> amarok folder it is not protected, afaik
[23:17] <Daskreech> it is protected. Just not from you :)
[23:18] <LINKSWORD2> I have my Root directory open, and I can't think of how to get to the file.
[23:18] <LINKSWORD2> Sorry. I'm having a brain-dead day. :P
[23:18] <OerHeks> LINKSWORD2, the .kde folder is in your home
[23:20] <LINKSWORD2> It's not showing up in my Home folders.
[23:21] <LINKSWORD2> Neither in Home, nor in the sub-folders.
[23:22] <OerHeks> that is odd, did you enable hidden files ? from the menu or alt + .
[23:23] <LINKSWORD2> From the menu.
[23:24] <OerHeks> then i am clueless :(
[23:25] <LINKSWORD2> Oer, I just tried the Alt + . method, and I've got access to more files.
[23:26] <LINKSWORD2> I'm checking to find the .kde folder.
[23:26] <OerHeks> just above libreoffice :-)
[23:27] <Daskreech> OerHeks: You assume that he has the same programs as you :)
[23:27] <LINKSWORD2> OerHeks: That would depend on the idea that you and I would have the exact same applications installed, and therefore the same hidden files.
[23:29] <OerHeks> LINKSWORD2, yes, if you are using Kubuntu now, it should be there.
[23:29] <OerHeks> or are you pointing to Libreoffice ?
[23:35] <skreech_> OerHeks: That it's above libreoffice. There are too many things that have to be the same for that to hold true :)
[23:36] <OerHeks> my bad. not everybody uses Libreoffice.
[23:37] <skreech_> OerHeks: It's not Libreoffice. It's all the things in between KD and LI
[23:37] <skreech_> any programs he's run in between there will put in more directories so it will bump libreoffice over one more
[23:37] <skreech_> or you may have more programs so libreoffice would be one back
[23:38] <OerHeks> oke, but now .kde should be visible.
[23:38] <Daskreech> Plus he has to have the same screen resolution as you. Or there is more/less directories in a single line
[23:39] <Daskreech> Should be :)
[23:40] <OerHeks> i don't like this solution removing the amarok folder, however i could not find any solution. i was glad removal and rescan worked.
[23:44] <LINKSWORD2> I need to do a system restart.
[23:48] <Daskreech> OerHeks: tried just renaming the directory
[23:49] <OerHeks> Daskreech, that is a elegant solution, i'll remember that.
[23:50] <Daskreech> hi LINKSWORD2
[23:50] <LINKSWORD2> Yep. I'm back.
[23:50] <LINKSWORD2> And the problem remains to be the same....
[23:51] <LINKSWORD2> I removed the file, restarted my system, and attempted to open an audio file...
[23:51] <LINKSWORD2> And got the same results as last time.
[23:55] <Daskreech> Do you have a ~/.config/ibus directory?
[23:56] <LINKSWORD2> Let me look.
[23:57] <volty> kubuntu 11.04,  kchmviewer version 5.3, QTextBrowser-based widget (since KHTMLPart-based does not work because of missing ms-its protocol handling). The problem is that the font is too small, trying to zoom increases only the size of headers but not of the body of the text.  any idea / hint how can I fix this ?
[23:57] <volty> (not on all chm files, though)
[23:58] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: I have a .config file, but not ibus