[00:02] <BUGabundo> lololol
[00:24] <BUGabundo> ntie folsk
[00:47] <triunity> Hello?
[00:53] <Ian_Corne> I answered you alreadu
[00:53] <Ian_Corne> it's not GDM but lightDM and it will have a working guest session yes
[00:56] <Ian_Corne> wow 302 updates
[01:12] <Ian_Corne> pulse seems broken
[02:47] <keithclark> I don't seem to be able to get my Broadcom wireless card to work again under 11.10.  Is this a known issue?
[02:47] <triunity> Does it work under 11.04 fine?
[02:48] <keithclark> Yup
[02:48] <triunity> Hmm...
[04:24] <Guest66583> Is there ivi remix packages in the alpha 3 repos?
[04:55] <chaddy> Guest66583: ivi?
[04:56] <Guest66583> In vehicle infotainment
[04:57] <chaddy> nice
[04:58] <chaddy> don't know, sorry
[04:58] <Guest66583> I am building a car PC and was going to use ice but it has been abandoned but ivi remix was announced a few days ago
[04:59] <Guest66583> Its a joint project between coinacal GM Delphi and a few others
[05:14] <bullgard4_> Why is there no longer available motd+shell? See http://man.he.net/man1/motd+shell
[05:42] <dsathe> Ok i have identified a major major issue with Ubuntu, i have not been having audio in my os for 2 days now
[05:42] <dsathe> all my logs and lspci/lsmod/dmesg have been clean
[05:42] <miki> i think cairo-dock may have streched the thingy on top my power icon is missing and so is the search icon on the top thingy lol forgot name of that but im using currently 11.10 alpha 2 updated
[05:43] <dsathe> so today i realised a unique quirk , the new lightdm has a audio options symbol i clicked on it and ran banshee and sound opts test and wolha i hear stuff
[05:44] <dsathe> but my user post login has no sound O.o
[05:44] <dsathe> the gdm or more correctly now the lightdm user seems to be blocking this resource for others !!!!!!!!!
[05:47] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[05:48] <dsathe> is there a way in ubuntu to choose environment (different sessions ) without lightdm/gdm
[05:48] <dsathe> asa aparam to startx
[05:49] <miki> i couldn't find a ubuntu 11.10 alpha 3 when i downloaded a version of what i thought was ubuntu 11.10 gave me kubuntu sigh....and the last download alpha 3, stopped at the kernel after boot
[05:49] <dsathe> as a param to startx like in gentoo or arch
[05:49] <dsathe> coz lightdm is a mess
[05:50] <dsathe> loads of updates have landed some seem related ill try those and get back
[05:50] <dsathe> :)
[06:04] <dsathe> ok its fixed now
[06:04] <dsathe> thanks so much :)
[06:12] <miki> also before my mouse disappeared you think might want to check flash 10 the older flash works with ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 but if i remember correct i had some problems with the flash 10
[06:26] <bullgard4_> When is the deadline for Ubuntu 11.10 Beta?
[06:27] <urlin2u> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[06:34] <miki> i wished i would never have put cairo-dock on here my time is where the power icon should be and the left button at the top is gone seems now cairo-dock is a must in graphical user interface
[06:36] <miki> resizing it might help
[06:36] <bullgard4_> urlin2u: Thank you. (I did not find this page by googling.)
[06:37] <urlin2u> bullgard4, no prob, it is a search hit and miss aat times.
[07:28] <Guest60390> i've a trouble with vmware + ubuntu as guest
[07:29] <Guest60390> the key combo alt gr + <key>
[07:29] <Guest60390> doesn't work
[07:29] <Guest60390> anyone that can help me?
[07:54] <bullgard6> Where can I find in GNOME 3 the setting equivalent to GNOME 2 System > Preferences > Appearance > Fonts > Application font?
[08:00] <zniavre> gnome-tweak-tool
[08:01] <zniavre> maybe you sshould install it
[08:01] <zniavre> bullgard4, *
[08:05] <bullgard6> zniavre: The package gnome-tweak-tool is installed. Where can I find it in the "System Settings" dialog window?
[08:07] <robin0800> bullgard6, its in applications
[08:09] <bullgard6> robin0800: No. It is not in Actiovities > Applications.
[08:09] <bullgard6> robin0800: No. It is not in Activities > Applications.
[08:11] <robin0800> bullgard6, yes it is but not called what you thought!
[08:12] <bullgard6> robin0800: Your message isnot helpful.
[08:12] <urlin2u> bullgard6, in the terminal ubuntu-tweak   to see if it is installed
[08:17] <robin0800> bullgard6, "tweak advanced settings"
[08:20] <zniavre> alt+f2 gnome-tweak-tool ?
[08:21] <zniavre> or via terminal*
[08:24] <bullgard6> urlin2u: '~$ ubuntu-tweak; ubuntu-tweak: Command not found.'
[08:24] <zniavre> [10:20] <zniavre> alt+f2 gnome-tweak-tool ?*
[08:24] <urlin2u> bullgard6,  how did you install it?
[08:25] <bullgard6> urlin2u:  How did I install what?
[08:25] <urlin2u> ubuntu-tweak
[08:25] <zniavre> -tool *
[08:25] <zniavre> :o)
[08:25] <zniavre> ubuntu-tweak is another software
[08:26] <urlin2u> my bad I missread it .
[08:27] <zniavre> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/   vs http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/gnome-tweak-tool-gets-option-to-switch.html
[08:27] <bullgard6> urlin2u:  '~$ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak; [sudo] password for detlef: ***;  Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig; Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut; Statusinformationen werden eingelesen... Fertig; E: Paket ubuntu-tweak kann nicht gefunden werden.'
[08:53] <robin0800> bullgard6, have you still not found it?
[08:56] <AnAnt> Hello, is there any info about making themes for lightdm ?
[10:07] <kjeldahl> Anybody figured out how to get rid of the double task switchers in latest oneiric alpha? More then slightly annoying...
[10:20] <kavurt> i installed updates, now x cant start. i can only see a black screen. but system is on. ?
[10:23] <jpds> kavurt: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[10:27] <kavurt> jpds: there's no errors
[10:57] <dr--willis> howdies
[11:31] <penguin42> bug 82253 is really annoying me lately - anyone else seen similar - being in the wrong window manager when logged in?
[11:36] <penguin42> oops - I mean bug 822253
[11:36] <penguin42> better
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: why are you still using gdm?
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> don't know if it's the same in lightdm
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> didn't notice it yet
[11:40] <penguin42> well they're upgrades so I guess I didn't flip
[11:40] <penguin42> It's only happening about 1 in 10 boots
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:41] <dsathe> hey BluesKaj
[11:41] <dsathe> issue sorted :p
[11:41] <dsathe> turns out lightdm was blocking the resource
[11:41] <dsathe> some update 2day mornin fixwed it
[11:42] <BluesKaj> hi dsathe. right , heard that it was a prob for many other ppl as well
[11:44] <BluesKaj> why wouldn't ppl want gdm ?
[11:44] <dsathe> hahaha no clue
[11:45] <dsathe> started a lot of the gnome stack apparently
[11:45] <BluesKaj> anyway , I don't suffer from gnome probs , we have enuff on kde :)
[11:45] <dsathe> not a very nice thing for people who dont use gnome at all
[11:46] <BluesKaj> but most things seem stable atm
[11:46] <dsathe> also anyone here aware of an issue with the recognition of data cards
[11:46] <dsathe> ?
[11:46] <dsathe> coz mine is not beeeing picked up for a week now
[11:46] <dsathe> <3 beta sw :D
[11:47] <dsathe> something always breaking
[11:54] <penguin42> it'd be boring if it worked :-)
[11:54] <dsathe> hahaha
[11:54] <dsathe> true
[11:54] <dsathe> is this a reported bug/known bug
[11:54] <dsathe> the data card
[11:55] <penguin42> dsathe: I've not used them, but it's likely specific to the type of card
[11:55] <dsathe> edvo
[11:55] <dsathe> Hauwei if tata photon+
[12:04] <edgy> Hi, today I upgraded my natty to oneiric. kmail did some migration and created a section called "Previous KMail's disconnected IMAP cache", why the messages are not migrated to the new folders? and what shall I do with section?
[12:26] <dr-willis>  luke 1000 people here
[13:00] <utusan> firefox seems to be not behaving properly ignoring volume control. anybody getting the same?
[13:01] <Laibsch> Can somebody please verify if bug 379382 also exists in oneiric?
[13:01]  * penguin42 doesn't have multi monitor setup in hos oneiric machines at the moment
[13:02] <Laibsch> Thanks, penguin42
[13:03] <utusan> tried looking why and firefox -Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[13:04] <utusan> permission has everyone read rights
[13:04] <utusan> reinstall libasound* and same problem
[13:04] <utusan> any ideas?
[13:06] <penguin42> any other errors ?
[13:10] <utusan> tried changing permission to x and same problem
[13:50] <bullgard6> Why does not appear a »Tweak Tool« symbol in Activities > Applications although the DEB program package gnome-tweak-tools is installed?
[15:40] <Daekdroom> Did the latest Pulseaudio update break Flash sound?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, pulseaudio breaks sound on more than just flash
[15:44] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, since the latest update, that is?
[15:44] <Daekdroom> It worked fine a few days ago. Now Flash will only work when Pulseaudio crashes :P
[15:45] <BluesKaj> well, I don't use pulseaudio for that very reason
[15:45] <BluesKaj> it's apita to keep running
[15:46] <dr_willis> !info ntfsprogs
[15:46] <dr_willis> a dist-upgrade just removed that package.. not sure why.
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, what neat things ? :)
[15:47] <Daekdroom> dr_willis, latest ntfs-3g breaks it, iirc.
[15:49] <dr_willis> weird.. Not sure how the 2 would conflict. ones for mounting a filesystem.. other is for  doing tools to  the hopefully Unmounted filesystem. :)
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> dr_willis: and BluesKaj and Daekdroom
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> they're becomming one package iirc
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> the projects have merged
[15:50] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, what do you use instead of PA anyway?
[15:51] <dr_willis> Ian_Corne,  thats interesting...
[15:54]  * penguin42 could swear KDE reorders his 'office' menu just when he thinks he knows where something will be
[15:56] <dr_willis> !info gtkdialog
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, pulseaudio runs on top of alsamixer as a soundserver , therefore it's redundant for my needs ...alsmixer works well with whatever soundcard and frontend you want
[15:57] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[15:57] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: I thought PA was required to play multiple audo streams at once?
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Well, alsa has a userspace mixer too.
[15:58] <Ian_Corne> ah
[15:58] <Daekdroom> I'd try OSSv4 if Ubuntu weren't so tied to Pulseaudio.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> *wasn't
[15:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, but , II don't listen multiple audio streams at once , I can only handle one song at a time
[16:00] <dr_willis> i like being able to pipe the audio from my laptop to my  other system with better speakers. :) but im lazy
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, if you're streaming to your network then pulseaudio is ok , but there are better apps for that like jack
[16:00] <dr_willis> They really dont  show off all the neat tricks of pulse audio..  peopel are more impressed with the cube and wobbly windows i guess.
[16:02] <penguin42> dr_willis: Most of the tricks are only useful if you've got multiple audio outputs and things
[16:02] <dr_willis> yep.
[16:02] <dr_willis> wonder if i could pipe my android phone to the pc...
[16:02] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, I can stream using vlc , pa isn't needed for that ...pavucontrol helps alot for pulseaudio setups tho
[16:03] <dr_willis> Im not streaming the video.. I just want to watch on the laptop.. and have it play the audio out the nicer speakers.. and i can do it in PA with just a few clicks... no need for any other  stuff.
[16:03] <dr_willis> i could just unplug the cable.. and plug it in the laptop .. :)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> this setup here is a media-server pc with vlc as the player , feeding digital audio to an audio receiver and dvi/hdmi video to a panasonic plasma tv
[16:07] <BluesKaj> and wireless KB and mouse from my easy chair.... lazy man's cave , sort of :)
[16:07] <dr_willis> Hmm. that feature that keeps the Diallogs Modal on top of the parent.. seems to be getting smarter now... Not noticed an issue with them being messed up/goofy in some time...
[16:08] <dr_willis> Been using Gmote on android to controll pc. :)   can work as a keyboard/touchpad/media player.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> cool :)
[16:08] <dr_willis> vlc, boxee, xbmc, also all have some good remote apps.  I rarely have to reach for the wireless mouse/keyboard these days
[16:09] <dr_willis> then i learned about the http://youtube.com/leanback  and its remote app..
[16:09] <dr_willis> Now i can queu up a dozen Videos for the kids and let them watch GummyBear dancing all day long.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> but a cell phone for remote control ..not in my world :)
[16:10] <dr_willis> does all i need..  got a low end tablet that does the job also..
[16:10] <dr_willis> plus i dont lose the remote. :)
[16:10] <dr_willis> Oh yea.. the thing controlls the $75 blue-ray player i got the other day also.
[16:12] <dr_willis> I tend to use my Boxee 90% of the time now a days.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> boxee is ok if you're stateside , but much good for anything elsewhere , except for netflix
[16:27] <BluesKaj> not much good
[16:27] <BluesKaj> pandora in europe , maybe
[16:33] <dr_willis> I dont really use it for netflix that much.. except for the kids.
[16:34] <dr_willis> play stuff from my own fileservers, and alternative web surfing box. :) it can even handle a keyboard/mouse.
[16:34] <dr_willis> Just saw ROku 2 - comming out.. it can play Angry Birds....
[16:43] <BluesKaj> bah.. angry birds
[16:45] <dr_willis> kept the wife happy for a few weeks...  thats all i can say on it. :)
[17:49] <Guest66351> Any word on how to alpha test the ivi remix
[17:52] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3]  Why does not appear a »Tweak Tool« symbol in Activities > Applications although the DEB program package gnome-tweak-tools is installed?
[17:53] <Daekdroom> Is it only here or is the new Dash really slow to render?
[17:56]  * mendred has gone fishing: Gone away for now
[17:56]  * mendred is back.
[17:57] <rww> !away | mendred
[18:02] <mendred> rww: oops sorry! silenced it!
[18:03] <rww> thanks :)
[19:32] <penguin42> anyone else finding the notification pop ups have switched to a HUGE font ?
[19:36]  * bullgard6 too.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> not on kde
[19:57] <magn3ts> Is it possible to make nautilus any worse?
[19:58] <penguin42> oh it's always possible to make stuff worse
[20:06] <magn3ts> "Failed to load session gnome". Cool.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> sure, I would think making anything worse can be done easier than making things better
[20:29] <BUGabundo> evening friends
[20:35] <BUGabundo> back to lubuntu
[20:35] <BUGabundo> couldn't get to X, gdm or lightdm
[20:35] <BUGabundo> fuuuuuu
[20:47] <penguin42> with what errors?
[20:47] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit .xsession-errors
[20:47] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/665245/
[20:47] <BUGabundo> helps?
[20:50] <penguin42> not really, lots of errors but not sure which are normal
[20:57] <kyubutsu> is there an option for k3b to force burn 701mb iso into a 700mb cd-r
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I installed nvidia blob
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I installed gdm
[20:58] <BUGabundo> othing worked
[20:58] <BUGabundo> so lubuntu to the recues
[20:58] <BUGabundo> this thing is UGLY
[21:00] <kyubutsu> 701.3 ..
[21:00] <kyubutsu> grr
[21:01] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, have you tried , most cds are capable of overburning at least 1%
[21:01] <kyubutsu> tried once. failed.
[21:02] <BluesKaj> odd . i put 704 on cdrw
[21:03]  * kyubutsu sighs
[21:03] <kyubutsu> really wanted to give muon a try .. just didnt want to have to use dvd-r and waste the space
[21:07] <BluesKaj> muon is in the repos
[21:15] <KM0201> BUGabundo: ugly?.. lubuntu is sexy
[21:16] <BUGabundo> you are not seeing the samething as me, then
[21:16] <KM0201> BUGabundo:  i love it
[21:17]  * rww doesn't
[21:18] <KM0201> BUGabundo: i just love the minimalist approach... it's actually been close to flawless for me..   http://imagebin.org/167725
[21:18] <BUGabundo> yeah... don't like
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I guess I got used to Ambience.... fuuuu me
[21:18] <KM0201> it does tak ea little getting used to if you're used to gnome/kde.. but.. man, it is FAST.. and like i said, sexy..
[21:18] <rww> then again, I use kubuntu, so nobody here listens to me
[21:19] <BUGabundo> rww: LOL yofel_ does
[21:19] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu "just works"
[21:19] <KM0201> i disagree, the reason i went lubuntu, is because xubuntu kept locking up, etc.
[21:20] <charlie-tca> You are allowed to disagree. I never have a lock up here, though
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I don't understand these freezes, lockups, etc. that I never get
[21:20] <KM0201> if it had only been once, i'd have stuck w/ xubuntu,l cuz frankly, i do like xfce better than lxde, but.. i had constant lockups, thought maybe it was compositing, so i disabled all that, and it kept happening.
[21:37] <rww> I'm probably going to try Xubuntu again when 11.10 comes out. It seems to be improving rather than getting worse as /some DEs/ are ;)
[21:41] <kyubutsu> whats the point of having a 3ghz puter to run xubuntu. go kde!
[21:41] <kyubutsu> >:(
[21:43] <kyubutsu> anyway, i go burn this alpha3 on a dvd   :-/
[21:46]  * rww uses USB for oversized ISOs :P
[21:48]  * BUGabundo boots from ISOs :P
[22:45] <BUGabundo> frak
[22:45] <BUGabundo> pulseaudio trunk is broken too
[22:48] <yofel> hm, anyone else getting debusms error when installing something? Stuff like "debsums: invalid package name 'binutils'"
[22:48] <yofel> *debsums
[22:49] <BUGabundo> let me try
[22:49] <BUGabundo> did you run apt-get update *recently* ?
[22:49] <yofel> well, that happens on apt-get install, my last update is a few hours old
[22:51] <BUGabundo> update now ? :P
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Unpacking debsums (from .../debsums_2.0.48+nmu3ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[22:52] <yofel> nothing relevant to update
[22:52] <BUGabundo> working fine here
[22:53] <yofel> hm, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/665307/
[22:54] <BUGabundo> eeewww
[23:00] <penguin42> yofel: I had something similar - I think I had to uninstall debsums and reinstall - but I've almost got a feeling that either debsums is screwed or maybe the package database is
[23:00]  * yofel tries
[23:05] <yofel> hm, no, that didn't help..
[23:07] <BUGabundo> its a kde problem :)
[23:23] <Daekdroom> Oooh. We're past FeatureFreeze. Does that mean OO is going to ship Libreoffice 3.3 instead of 3.4?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> does anyone even cares what Productivity Suite we have?
[23:26] <BUGabundo> how many users even use that ?
[23:26] <Daekdroom> I use it every once in awhile.
[23:27] <Daekdroom> But 3.3 is not compatible enough with MS Office standards.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> is any?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> and does MSFT have standards now ?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> :P
[23:29] <penguin42> hmm - 3.4 was announced as ready for production use which would be good to have I guess - I do and have used it, and would prefer to keep closer to the edge on Lo - they seem to be fixing stuff which is a good thing
[23:30] <Daekdroom> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-libreoffice-packaging
[23:31] <Daekdroom> Work items for ubuntu-11.10-beta-1: package LibreOffice 3.4.1 for Oneiric: INPROGRESS
[23:36] <penguin42> looks promising
[23:38] <Daekdroom> The package from the PPA only built on AMD64, tho.
[23:40] <penguin42> I'm sure a bit more forceful persuasion will persuade it to build on x86
[23:44] <kyubutsu> o.0
[23:44] <kyubutsu> 'tis awesum!
[23:44] <kyubutsu> i like muon. besides being a cool subatomic particle
[23:45] <kyubutsu> fonts get a +1 too
[23:46] <kyubutsu> and default clock widget is +1 too
[23:46] <Daekdroom> muon?
[23:46] <kyubutsu> so far so good.. oneiric looks good for kde
[23:46] <kyubutsu> :D
[23:47] <penguin42> kyubutsu: Yeh it's not bad - it seems to have cured some fullscreen interactions KDE was having with the open radeon drivers
[23:47] <penguin42> kyubutsu: I'm seeing a bit of weird flickering when running gnucash under it though - not sure if thats the kde theme engine or if it's just gnucash
[23:47] <kyubutsu> that too.. 'cause i run this on radeon hd 5450 .. no problems so far
[23:49] <penguin42> hd4350 here
[23:49] <kyubutsu> i used to get flickering when using gwenview fullscreen
[23:50] <kyubutsu> need further testing on this alpha3 tho
[23:50] <penguin42> I was trying digikam - its' OK but I don't find it intuitive
[23:50] <kyubutsu> as far as preferences go.. i luv gwenview
[23:51] <kyubutsu> it really does everything i expect from it
[23:51] <kyubutsu> and when you get the plugins package for it, it does more than enough, including scanning jobs
[23:52] <kyubutsu> kipi
[23:52] <kyubutsu> !
[23:53] <kyubutsu> am very excited for kde on oneiric
[23:54] <kyubutsu> :D
[23:55] <penguin42> kyubutsu: It works nicely - there are only a handful of things I miss relative to Gnome2
[23:56] <kyubutsu> quassel notifications works nicely too.. not that it didnt back in 11.04 but still
[23:56] <kyubutsu> ;)
[23:56]  * rww ponders upgrading
[23:57] <rww> need to reformat anyway, may as well upgrade and poke around first
[23:57] <kyubutsu> the rww has second thoughts.. fear not.. i encourage you to try this alpha
[23:57] <kyubutsu> :D