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topyliircc meeting. jussi nhandler tsimpson elky?11:01
elky\o11:01
tsimpsono/11:02
jussio/11:02
topyliit's probably not nhandler's best hour11:02
jussiHe said he wouldnt be here11:02
elkyHe already notified he'd be asleep11:02
topyliaye11:03
topyli#startmeeting11:03
meetingologyMeeting started Sat Aug 13 11:03:18 2011 UTC.  The chair is topyli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.11:03
meetingologyUseful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.11:03
topylihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda11:03
jussiRemeber this is a different bot11:03
topyli#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda11:04
topyligrr. i blame the bot11:04
topylidid we have any actions from last time?11:04
topyliwe didn't11:05
jussinot that I see11:05
tsimpsonwe do have the previous-previous actions11:05
jussistill have this bug open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/78850311:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 788503 in ubuntu-community "IRC Guidelines too #ubuntu centric" [Undecided,In progress]11:05
jussitsimpson: which were?11:06
tsimpsonthat bug :)11:06
topyliis it still in progress?11:06
tsimpsonit stalled11:06
elkyhowso?11:07
tsimpsonin that all activity on it seems to have stopped11:08
elkyyou volunteering to chase up on those who were contributing?11:08
tsimpsonm4v posted an sample draft, but that's about it11:08
tsimpsonhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/72478406/guidelines_example_m4v.txt11:08
jussiSo any ideas on making this go forward? is it just someone needs to go do the work? or?11:09
topylioh i meant to study that but i forgot all about it. bad topyli11:09
elkyi volunteer topyli then :P11:09
topylii could see what m4v's draft changes and if it's good. i can action that and report in the next meeting11:10
topylidoes that sound sane?11:11
jussiIll work with you on that if you like11:11
topylii would. won't hurt to have more eyeballs, it's a rather important document11:12
topyli#action topyli and jussi to review m4v's guidelines draft11:12
meetingologyACTION: topyli and jussi to review m4v's guidelines draft11:12
topyli#topic Add eir to #ubuntu11:13
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Add eir to #ubuntu
meetingologyTOPIC: Add eir to #ubuntu11:13
topylitsimpson: you know how this is going :)11:13
jussiPeoples, Im real sorry, I need to run. Something has just come up.11:13
elkywhaaa...11:13
tsimpsonit's basically ready11:14
* elky points at the topic vandalism. bad bot, bad11:14
topylielky: oh good point, need to change that before ending the meeting11:14
topylitsimpson: i haven't been following this very well either. is it in testing as planned?11:15
tsimpsonlooks like it changes it back at the end of the meeting11:15
topyliah11:15
elkyit probably shouldnt' change at all in this channel...11:15
tsimpsontopyli: nhandler and I have tested it, the worst way it can fail is that comments aren't added to the BT11:15
tsimpsonwe were hoping for more people to test it out, but testers didn't materialize11:16
tsimpsonstill, I think it's generally usable11:16
topylimaybe just go ahead and put it to real life testing in #ubuntu, monitor it and see whether or not it works?11:17
topyliif it fails dramatically, we should notice it in a matter of hours11:17
tsimpsonthat's the plan11:17
tsimpsonas I say though, it really can't disrupt anything11:18
topyliyeah, but not having BT comments would be a regression. which we'll notice11:18
topyliit's not hard to pull it back if necessary, is it?11:19
tsimpsonno, only the comments directed to eir would not be added11:19
jussiright, Im back11:19
tsimpsonpeople can still use @comment or the web interface11:19
topyliahh11:19
topylijussi: quick work, whatever it was :)11:20
jussithe emeergency that wasnt11:20
elkythe best kind of emergency11:20
jussianyway, I say we make the announcement and put eir in.11:21
tsimpsonwe already announced that it was planned, we just need to pick a date and announce that11:22
jussiMonday :) then most people are around.11:22
topyliyes. how soon can you manage it?11:22
tsimpsonwhenever, I just need to change some @config values11:23
tsimpson(it's already in ubottu, just not enabled in #ubuntu etc)11:23
tsimpsonand we'd need to actually get eir in #ubuntu and -ops-team11:23
jussiSo any probs then with  monday morning, tsimpson time?11:23
topylimonday would give us time to announce it, i'm for it11:24
tsimpsonwe need to actually teach people how to use eir too11:24
jussiMaybe we could run a session or 2 on that11:25
tsimpsonand probably explain exactly what we want to use it for11:25
jussiput the logs somewhere11:25
tsimpsonI think some people think it's replacing the ban tracker11:25
topylii've noticed that too11:26
topyliso maybe monday is too soon? should we give it a week still?11:26
tsimpsonI think the opposite ;)11:27
elkyi'd give it until the docs are done.11:27
jussimind, this could be explained in the announcement11:27
topylijussi: true11:27
tsimpsonput eir in there, so people can play with it11:27
jussidocs are done already11:27
tsimpsondocs are available on http://freenode.net/eir.shtml11:28
tsimpsonit just takes a little getting used to11:28
jussiIm still well in favour of monday, if tsimpson can get the announcement written by then11:28
tsimpsonI'd like to collaborate with nhandler on it too, he's the resident eir guru11:29
topylithe confidence level here suggests i should agree :)11:29
elkyi'm more interested in everyone being prepared for it.11:29
elkyrather than how fast we can get the shiny toy11:30
tsimpsonthere's not a lot to prepare for, all the eir commands are post-action11:30
tsimpsonso ops can still act as before, eir is just an add-on11:30
topylipeople can work as they always have, as i understand this eir doesn't take anything away11:30
IdleOneadd the bot to the channel and let's get to it.11:30
IdleOnewe can learn on our feet11:30
IdleOneMHO11:30
elkythen can we vote or whatever rather than this11:31
tsimpsonall ops need to remember, is to communicate with eir in #ubuntu-ops-team rather than in private (so ubottu can pick up the comments)11:31
topyli"MHCO, my humble but corrrect opinion"11:31
jussiIdleOne: I agree. it isnt going to affect much if people dont know it yet, they will learn on the fly.11:31
IdleOne+111:31
topylielky: object to tsimpson making the announcement and going ahead with on monday?11:33
elkynope11:33
topylialright, no vote11:33
tsimpsonwe already voted for it anyway, this is just the implementation11:33
elkyany other business?11:33
topyli#action tsimpson to announce and enable eir in #ubuntu11:34
meetingologyACTION: tsimpson to announce and enable eir in #ubuntu11:34
topylilooks like we're done then11:34
topyli#endmeeting11:35
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meetingologyMeeting ended Sat Aug 13 11:35:05 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)11:35
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-13-11.03.moin.txt11:35
elkyexcellent11:35
topylioh look, it did the change the topic11:35
elkycan someone see if that topic changey business can be stopped for this channel?11:35
topylii'll do the post-meeting stuff as per custom :)11:35
elkyi suppose i should ping AlanBell for it.11:36
elkyanyway, ciao11:36
topylii don't know how bad that is anyway. the topic being discussion might as well be in the topic. why not?11:36
tsimpsonI tend to agree11:37
jussiIts designed like that, and I kinda like it. It outs the old toopic back after the meeting11:37
elkyi don't think it's quite appropriate for /this/ channel.11:37
topylii also gasped a little at first, but since it does the right thing after the meeting...11:37
jussiIf anything, it should prefix with which meeting is going on.11:37
topylioh yes11:38
topylianyway, got to go and finance wallet-losing wife's affairs, and mock her11:40
tsimpsontopyli: and do the post-meeting tasks ;)11:41
topylii'll get them done today :)11:41
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AlanBellthe idea with the topic is it should attempt to change the /topic and if that doesn't work it should speak in the channel18:49
AlanBellat the moment it does both18:49
AlanBellso both is redundant and is a bug, I can stop it doing the /topic, but personally I would rather stop it talking18:50
MkaysiAlanBell: Are there any channel for meetingology (development) ? :)18:50
AlanBellin general it should not say anything, unless it has something useful to say18:51
AlanBell#ubuntu-bots probably18:51
AlanBellor find me somewhere18:51
MkaysiOk18:52
MkaysiBut you aren't at #ubuntu-bots18:52
AlanBellI have a bad connection at the moment so culled my channel list to prevent annoying people18:53
MkaysiOk18:53
AlanBellelky: clearly opinion is divided on the /topic changing feature, would that be an IRC council agenda topic to decide?18:54
AlanBelland yes, it should prefix the meeting title, I think there might be some not-quite-implemented code to do exactly that18:58
AlanBellthe code is all designed and debugged, all I have to do is type it in18:58
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