=== Ursinha-bbl is now known as Ursinha === StevenR_ is now known as StevenR === doko_ is now known as doko [11:01] ircc meeting. jussi nhandler tsimpson elky? [11:01] \o [11:02] o/ [11:02] o/ [11:02] it's probably not nhandler's best hour [11:02] He said he wouldnt be here [11:02] He already notified he'd be asleep [11:03] aye [11:03] #startmeeting [11:03] Meeting started Sat Aug 13 11:03:18 2011 UTC. The chair is topyli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [11:03] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [11:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda [11:03] Remeber this is a different bot [11:04] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda [11:04] grr. i blame the bot [11:04] did we have any actions from last time? [11:05] we didn't [11:05] not that I see [11:05] we do have the previous-previous actions [11:05] still have this bug open: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/788503 [11:05] Ubuntu bug 788503 in ubuntu-community "IRC Guidelines too #ubuntu centric" [Undecided,In progress] [11:06] tsimpson: which were? [11:06] that bug :) [11:06] is it still in progress? [11:06] it stalled [11:07] howso? [11:08] in that all activity on it seems to have stopped [11:08] you volunteering to chase up on those who were contributing? [11:08] m4v posted an sample draft, but that's about it [11:08] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72478406/guidelines_example_m4v.txt [11:09] So any ideas on making this go forward? is it just someone needs to go do the work? or? [11:09] oh i meant to study that but i forgot all about it. bad topyli [11:09] i volunteer topyli then :P [11:10] i could see what m4v's draft changes and if it's good. i can action that and report in the next meeting [11:11] does that sound sane? [11:11] Ill work with you on that if you like [11:12] i would. won't hurt to have more eyeballs, it's a rather important document [11:12] #action topyli and jussi to review m4v's guidelines draft [11:12] ACTION: topyli and jussi to review m4v's guidelines draft [11:13] #topic Add eir to #ubuntu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Add eir to #ubuntu [11:13] TOPIC: Add eir to #ubuntu [11:13] tsimpson: you know how this is going :) [11:13] Peoples, Im real sorry, I need to run. Something has just come up. [11:13] whaaa... [11:14] it's basically ready [11:14] * elky points at the topic vandalism. bad bot, bad [11:14] elky: oh good point, need to change that before ending the meeting [11:15] tsimpson: i haven't been following this very well either. is it in testing as planned? [11:15] looks like it changes it back at the end of the meeting [11:15] ah [11:15] it probably shouldnt' change at all in this channel... [11:15] topyli: nhandler and I have tested it, the worst way it can fail is that comments aren't added to the BT [11:16] we were hoping for more people to test it out, but testers didn't materialize [11:16] still, I think it's generally usable [11:17] maybe just go ahead and put it to real life testing in #ubuntu, monitor it and see whether or not it works? [11:17] if it fails dramatically, we should notice it in a matter of hours [11:17] that's the plan [11:18] as I say though, it really can't disrupt anything [11:18] yeah, but not having BT comments would be a regression. which we'll notice [11:19] it's not hard to pull it back if necessary, is it? [11:19] no, only the comments directed to eir would not be added [11:19] right, Im back [11:19] people can still use @comment or the web interface [11:19] ahh [11:20] jussi: quick work, whatever it was :) [11:20] the emeergency that wasnt [11:20] the best kind of emergency [11:21] anyway, I say we make the announcement and put eir in. [11:22] we already announced that it was planned, we just need to pick a date and announce that [11:22] Monday :) then most people are around. [11:22] yes. how soon can you manage it? [11:23] whenever, I just need to change some @config values [11:23] (it's already in ubottu, just not enabled in #ubuntu etc) [11:23] and we'd need to actually get eir in #ubuntu and -ops-team [11:23] So any probs then with monday morning, tsimpson time? [11:24] monday would give us time to announce it, i'm for it [11:24] we need to actually teach people how to use eir too [11:25] Maybe we could run a session or 2 on that [11:25] and probably explain exactly what we want to use it for [11:25] put the logs somewhere [11:25] I think some people think it's replacing the ban tracker [11:26] i've noticed that too [11:26] so maybe monday is too soon? should we give it a week still? [11:27] I think the opposite ;) [11:27] i'd give it until the docs are done. [11:27] mind, this could be explained in the announcement [11:27] jussi: true [11:27] put eir in there, so people can play with it [11:27] docs are done already [11:28] docs are available on http://freenode.net/eir.shtml [11:28] it just takes a little getting used to [11:28] Im still well in favour of monday, if tsimpson can get the announcement written by then [11:29] I'd like to collaborate with nhandler on it too, he's the resident eir guru [11:29] the confidence level here suggests i should agree :) [11:29] i'm more interested in everyone being prepared for it. [11:30] rather than how fast we can get the shiny toy [11:30] there's not a lot to prepare for, all the eir commands are post-action [11:30] so ops can still act as before, eir is just an add-on [11:30] people can work as they always have, as i understand this eir doesn't take anything away [11:30] add the bot to the channel and let's get to it. [11:30] we can learn on our feet [11:30] MHO [11:31] then can we vote or whatever rather than this [11:31] all ops need to remember, is to communicate with eir in #ubuntu-ops-team rather than in private (so ubottu can pick up the comments) [11:31] "MHCO, my humble but corrrect opinion" [11:31] IdleOne: I agree. it isnt going to affect much if people dont know it yet, they will learn on the fly. [11:31] +1 [11:33] elky: object to tsimpson making the announcement and going ahead with on monday? [11:33] nope [11:33] alright, no vote [11:33] we already voted for it anyway, this is just the implementation [11:33] any other business? [11:34] #action tsimpson to announce and enable eir in #ubuntu [11:34] ACTION: tsimpson to announce and enable eir in #ubuntu [11:34] looks like we're done then [11:35] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology is the new Mootbot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot [11:35] Meeting ended Sat Aug 13 11:35:05 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) [11:35] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-13-11.03.moin.txt [11:35] excellent [11:35] oh look, it did the change the topic [11:35] can someone see if that topic changey business can be stopped for this channel? [11:35] i'll do the post-meeting stuff as per custom :) [11:36] i suppose i should ping AlanBell for it. [11:36] anyway, ciao [11:36] i don't know how bad that is anyway. the topic being discussion might as well be in the topic. why not? [11:37] I tend to agree [11:37] Its designed like that, and I kinda like it. It outs the old toopic back after the meeting [11:37] i don't think it's quite appropriate for /this/ channel. [11:37] i also gasped a little at first, but since it does the right thing after the meeting... [11:37] If anything, it should prefix with which meeting is going on. [11:38] oh yes [11:40] anyway, got to go and finance wallet-losing wife's affairs, and mock her [11:41] topyli: and do the post-meeting tasks ;) [11:41] i'll get them done today :) === dslogger is now known as berlinglogger === berlinglogger is now known as berlinlogger === Guest26716 is now known as lag === lag is now known as Guest15357 [18:49] the idea with the topic is it should attempt to change the /topic and if that doesn't work it should speak in the channel [18:49] at the moment it does both [18:50] so both is redundant and is a bug, I can stop it doing the /topic, but personally I would rather stop it talking [18:50] AlanBell: Are there any channel for meetingology (development) ? :) [18:51] in general it should not say anything, unless it has something useful to say [18:51] #ubuntu-bots probably [18:51] or find me somewhere [18:52] Ok [18:52] But you aren't at #ubuntu-bots [18:53] I have a bad connection at the moment so culled my channel list to prevent annoying people [18:53] Ok [18:54] elky: clearly opinion is divided on the /topic changing feature, would that be an IRC council agenda topic to decide? 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