[00:21] <bazhang> augh
[00:21] <bazhang> what's the average time before crossposting commences? seems about 5 seconds of late
[00:24] <Flannel> onjoin { if(!isanswered(question)) { crosspost(question); } }
[00:51] <Jordan_U> You're acting as if they ever intended to only post in one channel.
[00:52] <Flannel> Jordan_U: well, there's very little posibility that the question is answered before they even ask it!
[00:54] <Jordan_U> Flannel: I meant more that they probably start out by deciding that they'll ask the same question in #x, #y, and #z will simply pay attention to which ever channel answers first. Most people can't manage simultaneous posts to multiple channels so there is some lag between them.
[00:58] <bazhang> heh
[01:05] <elky> something smells,
[01:29] <bazhang> jaker003 has been an issue past couple of days
[02:01] <Corey> Ugh.
[02:01] <Corey> What a week it's been.
[02:10] <Pici> Corey: on or off irc?
[02:12] <Corey> Pici: Off.
[04:18] <rww> dealing with it ^
[05:37] <rww> !repeat > hood
[09:26] <Myrtti> fail
[09:26] <Myrtti> my connectbot lags
[10:17] <IdleOne> BlackArchDog is back in #u, keep an eye open he has his bad attitude hat on this morning.
 theadmin: either way doing a compiled opera or getting a .deb package works
[10:44] <bazhang> wat
 can i use NetworkManager Applet on windows?
[12:29] <oCean> oh-oh.. full moon!
[12:34] <elky> i can kinda see why he may want to...
[12:34] <elky> especially if he's talking winxp
[14:14] <oCean> fowl's quitmsg: "all of you are useless."
[14:15] <IdleOne> he isn't completely wrong
[14:15] <IdleOne> it isn't vulgar and there was no harm done imo. could be a default message.
[14:16] <IdleOne> His rejoining to complain though...
[14:16] <IdleOne> that makes his quit message inappropriate
[14:24] <oCean> theadmin> o_o... Factoids can contain... spaces? Well this is new to me xD
[14:24] <oCean> ^ only 2 minutes after the 'sorry'
[14:24] <IdleOne> my kids do that to me also
[14:25] <IdleOne> Me: Don't touch that. 2 mins later, Kids: break the thing they were not supposed to touch.
[14:25] <oCean> time for a time-out, I'd say
[14:26] <IdleOne> us or them?
[14:26] <IdleOne> hah
[14:26] <oCean> we'll see about that
[14:31] <oCean> BluesKaj> seems the OT cops are really trolling toda
[14:31] <oCean> another fan
[16:42] <oCean> hi there
[16:42] <oCean> what's the issue?
[16:44] <Herakles> I got banned in a Channel #Ubuntu-de and #ubuntu-de-offtopic....
[16:44] <Herakles> and i cant resolve my problem in english
[16:47] <oCean> Herakles: oh, we don't handle the loco bans, I *think* that is in #ubuntu-de-ops channel, but I'm not sure
[16:48] <Herakles> k, thanks so far..
[16:48] <oCean> Herakles: I think they can help you
[18:03] <rww> mendred says they've turned off their away messages, btw.
[18:04]  * rww ponders why mquin doesn't have +v
[18:04] <oCean> oh, ok
[18:06] <mquin> rww: super cow powers
[18:06] <rww> oh, "noop
[18:06] <rww> "?
[18:07]  * rww forgets whether that does +V oo
[18:07]  * rww officially hates this keyboard
[18:07] <mquin> aye
[18:36] <oCean> sigh, a discussion about rm
[19:44] <galamar1> awe did I hurt your feelings ikonia? I wasn't trying to do that I am just trying to get help in the very confusing irc world of rules do this don't do that or we will ban you just because we can and we know more than you.
[19:45] <ikonia> galamar1: hi
[19:45] <ikonia> galamar1: I clearled asked you not to ask for backtrack support in the channel, when you have been and continued to do so
[19:45] <ikonia> you just had to say "sure, no problem"
[19:45] <ikonia> you chose to give a smart response, so I removed you.
[19:45] <ikonia> I'm sorry if that seems tough, but #ubuntu is not there to pickup #backtrack-linux's slow responses
[19:47] <galamar1> no you kicked me because I told you I didn't ask for help directly.... all I said was #backtrack wasn't helping and asked any other user would like to help "in a private message so I don't flood the channel with off-topic stuff"
[19:48] <ikonia> galamar1: yes, and I've asked you not to ask for backtrack help of people in #ubuntu
[19:48] <rww> This world is not very hard. We have rules. The rules are pretty simple. You follow the rules. You don't get actioned.
[19:48] <ikonia> galamar1: you where asking for backtrack help - it doesn't matter that you didn't put the word "backtrack" in your actual statement
[19:48] <ikonia> hence the "smart" answer
[19:48] <ikonia> all you had to say was "sure, no problem" and it would have gone away
[19:50] <ikonia> galamar1: do you need anything else from the operators in this channel ?
[19:51] <galamar1> and that was the first time I have never been told about off-topic before because I know the rules; however, I still need help. and I see what you did as a direct abuse of what little power you have in the #ubuntu world simply because you can and are having a bad day maybe? idk.
[19:51] <ikonia> galamar1: how hard is this to grasp
[19:51] <ikonia> galamar1: I asked you not to ask for backtrack-help - thus making you aware "not to ask"
[19:51] <ikonia> galamar1: you chose to respond with a smart comment about the question not actually containing the word backtrack - I removed you.
[19:51] <galamar1> and I didnt ask after that
[19:52] <ikonia> because you where removed
[19:52] <galamar1> just simply explained that I didnt ask for help directly
[19:52] <ikonia> all you had to do was say "sure"
[19:52] <ikonia> galamar1: you did
[19:52] <ikonia> galamar1: you asked for backtrack help, just because it didn't contain the word backtrack linux in the actual question does not mean it was not direct
[19:53] <galamar1> i put the original question out there.... you said dont...... I explained..... you banned me....... that was the order of events.... however I only ever asked one time for help.
[19:54] <ikonia> galamar1: you'd been talking about backtrack help for a while,
[19:54] <ikonia> galamar1: tell you waht
[19:54] <ikonia> "I'm going to ban anyone from the channel not asking about ubuntu help directly"
[19:55] <ikonia> does that suggest I may ban you ?
[19:55] <ikonia> do you see what I'm saying ?
[19:55] <ikonia> just because I'm not saying you as an individual, it's obvious that I'm going to ban you
[19:55] <galamar1> not true the help I was asking earlier was only to help me be able to talk to the backtrack channel...... the whole copy and paste convos that took place were not backtrack related just software and general pre-X advice.
[19:55] <ikonia> (I'm not)
[19:55] <ikonia> I give in
[19:56] <ikonia> I am going to ban you from the channel now while you read up on the rules
[19:56] <ikonia> I'm stating things clearly for you and you're trying to justify it
[19:56] <galamar1> ok
[19:56] <galamar1> I am not trying to be difficult.
[19:57] <ikonia> ok - then someone else can deal with you at a later time.
[19:57] <galamar1> just stating the way I feel about things. the ops in #ubuntu are the most picky and power abusive of any in the irc world.
[19:58] <galamar1> wait. hold on.
[20:01] <galamar1> I would just like to say that linux is very confusing to learn and there are people out there who need help and I just don't understand why there has to be such strict rules that we have to ban people and such just cause they aer trying to learn. I have always had questions that I need help with and ubuntu is one of the mainstream installation that help people across the whole linux board not just ubuntu.
[20:01] <rww> #ubuntu is the largest channel on freenode. THe rules we have in place are designed to minismise non-Ubuntu support discussion because we have trouble just dealing with the Ubuntu support. If enforcing those rules makes us 'picky', then I am happy to be picky about ensuring we get as much Ubuntu support done as possible.
[20:02] <rww> Asking for help with Backtrack or its channel is not Ubuntu support. If you choose to use a derivative, you get the problems that come with that. Please don't offload them onto us, as we're busy with the users we have without taking on other distros' users.
[20:05] <rww> s/derivative/unofficial derivative/, to be precise
[20:08] <galamar1> OK I can agree with that; however, the problem I am having is the same problem I am had when I first installed ubuntu I got help from #ubuntu to solve it. So thereby this could very easily be view in the proper category. I just can't remember the solution. I know it has something to do with the Nvidia graphics card. It is only because backtrack is a ubuntu child that I have this problem as I can boot livecds based on fedora just fine.
[20:08] <galamar1> it is something about ubuntu and nvidia not getting along.
[20:09] <rww> Again, you're not using Ubuntu or an official derivative, so your technical support questions about your unofficial derivative do not belong in #ubuntu. If you don't like this, then use Ubuntu instead.
[20:10] <galamar1> I do use ubuntu that is my main OS
[20:11] <galamar1> But I had this "exact same" problem when I first installed Ubuntu. exact same so that means it is part of the ubuntu code that causes this.
[20:12] <rww> Had you asked for help at that point, it would have been on-topic for #ubuntu. You are currently using Backtrack, so it is not.
[20:13] <galamar1> but in theory lets say I put my ubuntu 11.04 livecd in and with the same problem came back here just because its now offically ubuntu. come on!! The ops dont have to be so critical abouty this.
[20:14] <galamar1> I did get help back then from #ubuntu. same problem. same solution should be able to be provided.
[20:16] <galamar1> The question I ask will help all users who wish to use ubuntu and a nvidia card. The problem at its core is a ubuntu problem not specifically related to backtrack.
[20:16] <rww> We have to draw a line somewhere. We chose to draw it at the (imho sane) point of "If you are not using Ubuntu or an official derivative, you do not get support in #ubuntu."
[20:17] <rww> I am not a good Bash shell script user. If I put an 11.04 livecd in my computer, I will still have bash problems. This does not mean that I get to ask my bash questions in #ubuntu instead of my distribution's IRC channel.
[20:19] <rww> Ubuntu is based on Debian. This does not mean that I get to ask Ubuntu support questions in #debian. #debian gets annoyed about people asking Ubuntu support questions in it just as we get annoyed about people asking Backtrack support questions in #ubuntu.
[20:20] <galamar1> I understand that but what I am saying is I will have the same issue even with a official ubuntu distro. so okay now the disk in my drive is ubuntu 11.04 natty. I have the same problem as before. when I type startx I get an error I have posted my logfile at paste.ubuntu.com/665151 help me..... does that really make sense for me to have to do that???
[20:22] <Corey> galamar1: Yes.
[20:22] <galamar1> and because now at this point even if I did that ikonia would still get pissed and assume I am just lieing to get support and kick me. even tho I really would have natty in all the errors would be the same.\
[20:23] <Corey> galamar1: "Okay, grab $package from $repo."  "This is Backtrack, I'm not using that repo."
[20:23] <rww> It makes sense for you to consider available support offerings when choosing a distribution and not be so rude as to completely ignore the rules of a different distribution's IRC channel and repeatedly bicker against rules that have been explained to you.
[20:25] <rww> Anyways, it looks like ikonia got bored of going through this repeatedly, and I am too, so I'll leave it to Corey :P
[20:25] <galamar1> okay so tell me how to get this dam galamar!~root@ipxx-xxx-xxx-xxx off my "root" off my name so I can join the proper channel and I will leave you alone.
[20:26] <rww> No.
[20:26] <galamar1> why?
[20:27] <Corey> galamar1: "Don't IRC as root" is the simple answer.
[20:27] <galamar1> it is the default of this livecd
[20:27] <galamar1> I am trying to change it.
[20:27] <galamar1> but don't know how
[20:31] <ikonia> galamar1: this isn't a support channel - you've ended up banned from #ubuntu, you can use #backtrack-linux as I could see you in there, so stop asking us for support and use #backtrack-linux
[20:31] <ikonia> galamar1: this conversation is over, you are wasting peoples time
[20:32] <galamar1> ikonia and +rww I would like to invite you to my house in tulsa oklahoma where we could settle this in a gentlemen's manner. I will give you my direct address. Will you come see me? NO! why because in the real world you have no power. On here is the only place you feel important or needed so this is where you will stay. In this place that makes you happy cause they give you a little control over what happes.>>>>>>>>>> And I can only join #
[20:32] <Corey> galamar1: Enough.
[20:32] <ikonia> galamar1: grow up
[20:32] <galamar1> come see me!!!!
[20:32] <ikonia> invite you to my house.....please.
[20:32] <ikonia> what a joke
[20:32] <mrmist> What an odd thing to say
[20:33] <ikonia> galamar1: I suggest you leave this channel now
[20:34] <galamar1> ikonia you win I will leave but only because in this place I have no power. nut like I said in the real world things would be very different.
[20:35] <Corey> We should totally support him because... in the real world he'd be able to beat us up?
[20:35] <mrmist> He wouldn't. I'm a ninja.
[20:35] <Corey> mrmist: Well my dad can TOTALLY beat up your dad.
[20:35] <Jordan_U> mrmist: I thought that was you I didn't see yesterday.
[20:35] <mrmist> NO WAY
[20:38] <rww> aww, I wanted their address :(
[21:05] <rww> I am considering making a wordpress installation entitled "HOw to not fail at Ubuntu" with articles about why we say not to do things like running as root, installing from source, mixing repositories,...
[21:07] <tonyyarusso> ha, I'd link to that
[21:07] <rww> or perhaps a more general "Why #ubuntu ops are picky: things we'd put in factoids if they could hold essay-length content"
[21:08] <rww> because I'm also getting bored of re-explaining the no cussing rule over and over :P
[21:08] <rww> hi galamar, how can we help you?
[21:09] <galamar> just watching.
[21:10] <topyli> galamar: this is a channel for resolving problems in the ubuntu channels. you can't idle here for fun
[21:10] <rww> galamar: Please use irclogs.ubuntu.com for that. We don't allow idlers in here, as we want to keep the channel clear for people to resolve issues.
[21:11] <rww> !search idle
[21:11] <galamar> More rules huh? Ok farewell.
[21:11] <rww> oh, lol.
[21:11] <rww> galamar: yeah, it is in the /topic though :)
[21:11] <marienz> "lynch idleone"?
[21:12] <rww> !lynch idleone
[21:12]  * Flannel boggles.
[21:12] <rww> #wolfgame <3
[21:12] <Flannel> !-lynch idleone
[21:12] <marienz> how'd that get in there
[21:12]  * rww hums
[21:12] <topyli> @forget lynch idleone
[21:12] <rww> !forget lynch idleone
[21:12] <galamar> Where did ikonia go? I tried to msg him but he didn't reply
[21:12] <topyli> topylifail
[21:12] <rww> some guy's house, I think.
[21:13] <topyli> rww: related to the endless explanations of theh language rules, i've been formulating a blog post on 'freedom of speech' and 'rights' that some people think they have on irc
[21:14] <rww> didn't someone already do that?
[21:14] <rww> !freespeech
[21:14] <rww> ah yes, the tonyyarusso
[21:14] <topyli> ah, maybe i don't need to after all
[21:15] <mrmist> there's also a freenode staff blog entry on that subject
[21:16] <mrmist> http://blog.freenode.net/2009/09/free-as-in-freenode/
[21:16] <rww> !freespeech =~ s/nor are they/or if they're/
[21:16]  * tonyyarusso really needs to fix that post to include the last third again that got cut off
[21:18] <topyli> tonyyarusso's post pretty much covers what i'd say, but perhaps more verbosely .)
[21:19] <topyli> i was just going to say something like 'there is no freedom of speech on the internet. your freedom is contingent on whatever your service provider allows.'
[21:19] <tonyyarusso> Me?  Verbose?  Never!
[21:21] <topyli> :)
[21:51] <ikonia> 22:01 -!- iwasbanned [~GALAMAR@108.104.69.190] has joined #ubuntu
[21:51] <ikonia> ban evading
[21:51] <ikonia> staff ^^
[21:51] <ikonia> he really likes to break rules
[21:55] <Flannel> ikonia: Was he actually banned?
[21:55] <ikonia> yes
[21:55] <ikonia> no
[21:55] <ikonia> yes
[21:55] <ikonia> (sorry, had to check)
[21:55] <ikonia> yes, his 2 ip addresses where banned
[21:56] <Flannel> Ah, there we go.
[21:56] <Flannel> ok.ok.cox.net
[21:56] <ikonia> that was one
[21:56] <ikonia> and I did the other
[21:56] <ikonia> I'm not getting threats in pm
[23:19] <ikonia> hello wayne7
[23:19] <wayne7> Hi, I'm just gathering info on ubuntu chats. Just passing by, No problem,
[23:20] <ikonia> ok
[23:20] <ikonia> bye
[23:20] <rww> "gathering info"?
[23:22] <ikonia> hello luigi
[23:22] <luigi> ikonia: Hello. I don't think I know you.
[23:23] <Corey> luigi: May we help you with something? :-)
[23:23] <luigi> No, I'm perfectly alright lurking, thank you. :)
[23:23] <luigi> Oh
[23:23] <luigi> I'm in the wrong channel, I'm sorry.
[23:23] <Corey> luigi: Yeah, we have a "no idling" poliy here.
[23:23] <Corey> No worries!
[23:23] <ikonia> luigi: you've been forwarded to this channel because of a user on your host
[23:23] <Corey> policy, even.
[23:24] <Corey> Hmm, where's the banforward set?  I don't see it in #ubuntu.
[23:24] <luigi> I thought this was a moderated discussion channel, actually. I didn't read the topic.
[23:24] <luigi> But thanks for the help!
[23:24] <ikonia> Corey: BT is being slow
[23:24] <Corey> ikonia: Yeah, it's not #ubuntu, -ot, or #kubuntu
[23:25] <ikonia> how odd, I only see it on -women
[23:25] <Corey> Got nicks: isaac_a, luigi, zendeavor, taylanub, luigi_panache, luigi[zZz], ARM, Guest25398, gay_luigi, {luigi},  {[luigi]}, {[|luigi|]}, {[|-luigi-|]}, {[|-0luigi0-|]}, {[|-0_luigi_0-|], {[|-0___luigi___, l, panache, l\, \l, \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\,  \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\, \l\, LRN2AWAY, ATTENTIONWHORE, Guest61100, channel, lup, xxX{[luigi[{xxX from host pingas.org
[23:25] <Corey> 16:23:12 -!- Irssi: stalker Verbose: Got nicks: luigi_panache, isaac__, isaac_a, luigi, taylanuc from host netbook.pingas.org
[23:25] <Corey> Ah, there we go.
[23:25] <ikonia> I thought delt with that host earlier
[23:26] <Corey> Looks like it was luigi being booted from -women, though I confess my lastlog makes that a non-obvious reason.