[00:00] <kyubutsu> see? the activites thing? i believe it's finally taking shape
[00:00] <kyubutsu> starting to, that is..
[00:00] <kyubutsu> -_-
[00:01] <penguin42> doesn't do much for me - I might try it a bit more; but I tend just to use a lot of desktops - although kde desktop switching isn't as nice as Gnome 2
[00:02] <kyubutsu> i give you that, but i just cannot get back to gnome2 or unity at this point [from an ubuntu standpoint]
[00:03] <kyubutsu> i dun quite believe in 'many desktops'
[00:04] <penguin42> I use 9 :-)
[00:04]  * kyubutsu chuckles
[00:05] <kyubutsu> you funny
[00:05] <penguin42> I have them in a 3x3 setup
[00:05] <kyubutsu> you know kyu means 9 in japanese?
[00:05] <kyubutsu> heh
[00:06] <penguin42> no I didn't - that's the 1st obscure fact of the day - and it's only 1am
[00:06] <penguin42> if kyu means 9, then what does butsu mean?
[00:07] <kyubutsu> well.. semantically, you could say it translates as 'nine disciplines'
[00:07] <kyubutsu> but it's really just an americanization of .. stuff
[00:08] <kyubutsu> its complicated
[00:11] <kyubutsu> or. it could be more of a japanization of american concepts
[00:11] <kyubutsu> o.0
[00:11] <kyubutsu> wth
[00:11] <kyubutsu> kde ftw.. bottom line
[00:11] <penguin42> nod
[00:15] <kyubutsu> The muon is an unstable subatomic particle with a mean lifetime of 2.2 µs
[00:15] <kyubutsu> :(
[00:17] <kyubutsu> the muon is a chubby electron
[00:17] <kyubutsu> o.0
[00:17] <penguin42> nod
[00:18] <penguin42> but not as chubby as a Tau
[00:18] <kyubutsu> i see
[00:19] <urlin2u> cough mtheory
[00:20] <kyubutsu> i think they used this sort of subatomic particle theory to think off the inFamous
[00:20] <kyubutsu> [game]
[00:23] <Daekdroom> kyubutsu, but what did muon mean in that context?
[00:24] <kyubutsu> nothing. it was MY theory ..
[00:24] <kyubutsu> anyway, muon is halted at 51%   :-/
[00:25] <kyubutsu> abort or not to abort, thats the question
[00:26] <kyubutsu> on libgphoto2-port0
[00:41] <C-S-B> My laptop seems to be trying to suspend and failing ( i think due to network manager) when closing the lid on power. I don't want it to even enter suspend on lid close but the setting has disappeared to control this.
[00:48] <penguin42> kyubutsu: I've found the KDE package manager often hangs part way through
[00:49] <BUGabundo> nite folks! bed it is
[00:49] <yofel> gn
[02:01] <cjohnston> Does anyone else have an issue after yesterday where the unity bar does not come to the front when the pointer is at the left (or top left) of the screen?
[02:02] <C-S-B> My laptop seems to be trying to suspend and failing ( i think due to network manager) when closing the lid on power. I don't want it to even enter suspend on lid close but the setting has disappeared to control this.
[02:03] <escott> C-S-B, gnome 3 thats a known complaint. when gnome 3 extensions are enabled that may be more easily done. there may be a gsetting you can change
[02:04] <cjohnston> I also have when I alt+tab, the new window switcher, plus the old one.. any ideas?
[02:04] <C-S-B> cool, i'll have a look. Excuse my ignorance, where are gsettings
[02:05] <escott> C-S-B, http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/on-laptop-lids-and-power-settings/
[02:06] <C-S-B> cheers.
[02:12] <ali1234> all the makes me real glad i never use a laptop
[02:17] <C-S-B> Thanks escott : gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugin.power lid-close-ac-action blank incase you cared. :)
[02:18] <C-S-B> although I do hope suspend gets fixed, worked in Natty, since its something to do with NM, I imagine I cant be the only one?
[02:19] <escott> C-S-B, thanks... i probably should set that on my own
[02:20] <C-S-B> cmd failed on mine...
[02:23] <Daekdroom> cjohnston, try using unity --reset to reset compiz and have the old alt+tab disappear.
[02:23] <C-S-B> escott, must have been a spelling area somewhere working now.
[02:23] <Daekdroom> Be aware that it'll reset your unity/compiz to default, and you might lose custom configuration.
[05:25] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] What program package is responsible for writing messages in the lower middle of the  screen image?
[08:17] <bullgard6> GNOME 3 tells me: "Wireless network disconnected" but annoys me endlessly with messages: "Authentication required by wireless network". How can I switch off these messages without infringing the ability of my laptop to find a new wireless access point when having moved to a new location?
[08:55] <robin0800> bullgard4, where are these messages in the log file?
[08:56] <robin0800> bullgaro6, where are these messages in the log file?
[08:59] <robin0800> bullgard6, where are these messages in the log file?
[09:06] <bullgard6> robin0800: These messages have appeared on the screen. --  What log file do you speak about in particular?
[09:12] <bullgard6> Youtube: "You need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. Upgrade to Flash Player 10." Where should I properly download Flash Player when using Ubuntu? As a Firefox 5 plugin via Firefox?
[09:13] <topyli> apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[09:17] <bullgard6> topyli: Oh dear! This command even downloads gcc-4.6. It takes 6 mins to complete.
[09:20] <topyli> enjoy :)
[09:28] <bullgard6> topyli:  Done. It works. --  Thank you.
[09:32] <topyli> bullgard6: cheers
[10:11] <edgy> Hi, where is libreoffice?
[10:13] <edgy> sorry seems there ;)
[10:17] <Shvelo> hey
[10:19] <Shvelo> will the software centre in Onieric have the new look?
[10:19] <Shvelo> *oneiric
[10:20]  * Shvelo is waiting
[10:20] <IdleOne> new look?
[10:23] <Shvelo> new design of ubuntu software centre was announced on OMG! Ubuntu
[10:46] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] How can I delete all games packages? I'd love that they will never re-appear.
[10:59] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] Where are the reasons summarized that Canonical pefers Thunderbird against Evolution?
[11:00] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] Where are the reasons summarized that Canonical prefers Thunderbird against Evolution?
[11:07] <bullgard6> What GNOME 3 substitute to Teatime can you recommend?
[11:41] <edgy> Hi, kmail cannot sync the messages
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:06] <Hitme> hello?
[12:06] <Hitme> anyone?
[12:06] <Hitme> too much bots here
[12:06] <IdleOne> !anyone
[12:07] <Hitme> .....
[12:07] <BluesKaj> odd , now the app indicator icon in the taskbar disappears while app is open , rather than sticky after it's closed
[12:07] <Hitme> im just asking is anyone alive?
[12:08] <penguin42> pre-breakfast, so I'm not sure alive is suitable
[12:08] <Hitme> #ubuntu
[12:08] <bullgard6> Hitme: I am alive.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> coffee being consumed here ..trying to wake up :)
[12:08] <Hitme> The update manager keeps updating
[12:09] <Hitme> when i refresh the repo, it says partial upgrade and a distribution upgrade
[12:09] <bullgard6> IdleOne: Don't play just for playing. --  I asked several questions, and you did not answer them.
[12:09] <Hitme> and its a endless loop
[12:10] <IdleOne> bullgard4: I did not know the answer so I did not answer
[12:10] <IdleOne> bullgard6: ^
[12:10] <IdleOne> bullgard6: if you don't like the amount/quality of support you are free to ask somewhere else also
[12:10] <Hitme> after the partial upgrade, the problem goes away, for a while until i install something or there is a update
[12:12] <BluesKaj> hitme , close it , then in the terminal , sudo dpkg --configure -a , also may need to run sudo apt-get -f install
[12:15] <Hitme> 269 not upgraded
[12:15] <Hitme> the sudo configure command has no response
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hitme, there won't be
[12:17] <BluesKaj> Hitme,  sudo apt-get -f install
[12:17] <Hitme> did that
[12:17] <Hitme> 290 packages not upgraded
[12:17] <Hitme> 0 updates
[12:17] <BluesKaj> I see you posted in ubuntu as well
[12:18] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update
[12:19] <Hitme> did that
[12:19] <Hitme> still no change
[12:20] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:21] <Hitme> 184mb to be upgraded
[12:21] <Hitme> yes or no?
[12:22] <Hitme> i did it once and it keeps poping up after a while
[12:23] <Hitme> its a temporary fix
[12:23] <robin0800> Hitme, best to use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade IMHO
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hitme, your package manager has a bug if it keeps notifying
[12:24] <Hitme> thats the probwlm
[12:24] <Hitme> and its the exact same packages
[12:25] <BluesKaj> turn notificationsa off and update/upgrade thru the terminal
[12:25] <astraljava> Sometimes happened to me in 11.04 as well. Annoying, really.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> which packages
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:25] <Hitme> core system packages
[12:26] <Hitme> like unity, libs, etc.....
[12:26] <BluesKaj> which package manager?
[12:26] <Hitme> and im on Alpha 3
[12:26] <Hitme> synaptic
[12:27] <BluesKaj> hmm, I have some issues with synaptic as well, so I removed it , but I run kde anyway and muon seems to be ok for reference purposes.
[12:28] <Hitme> im using ubuntu 11.10 Alpha 3
[12:28] <Hitme> thats the latest version
[12:29] <robin0800> Hitme, well use aptitude then
[12:29] <Hitme> or there is alpha 4
[12:29] <BluesKaj> yes alpha 3 here ....most ppl in this chat are using it as well
[12:29] <Hitme> aptitude command not found
[12:29] <Ian_Corne> not by default
[12:29] <Ian_Corne> apt-get install it
[12:29] <Hitme> and i dont want to have 2 package manager
[12:30] <robin0800> Hitme, sudo apt-get install aptitude
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !aptitude | Hitme
[12:30] <Hitme> its outdated
[12:31] <bazhang> Hitme, no its not
[12:31] <Hitme> and i have doubts on it running 11.10
[12:31] <bazhang> Hitme, it runs fine.
[12:32] <robin0800> Hitme, only thing outdated is synaptic which is going to be removed
[12:33] <Hitme> how about upgrade from terminal?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> I used aptitude for many yrs , but apt has fianlly been "fixed" and it's as safe as aptitude used to be or more so now
[12:33] <Hitme> would it work?
[12:34] <bazhang> Hitme, yes of course
[12:34] <Hitme> i will try
[12:34] <robin0800> BluesKaj, I just love safe-upgrade for a development system
[12:35] <Hitme> just asking, what is your opinion about the alpha version so far
[12:35] <Hitme> is it better than 11.04 or somewhat worse?
[12:36] <penguin42> it's not too bad at the moment
[12:36] <BluesKaj> robin0800, safe-upgrade is used in apt-get as well , but it's not part of the command , from what was reading a few months back
[12:36] <ikonia> Hitme: you're using it - so you should know
[12:36] <penguin42> few bugs here or there, but it's also fixed one that was really annoying for me
[12:37] <ikonia> Hitme: you made statments in #ubuntu that you where using it,
[12:37] <Hitme> yes why?
[12:38] <robin0800> BluesKaj, no I think only in aptitude
[12:38] <Hitme> for me its better than 11.04
[12:38] <ikonia> Hitme: ok - so you don't need opnions, you know if it's better/worse for you
[12:39] <Hitme> i tried to uninstall unity on 11.04 and instead it uninstalled gnome
[12:39] <Hitme> talk about desktop manager wars
[12:39] <ikonia> Hitme: because it depends on gnome,
[12:39] <ikonia> Hitme: do you have anything useful to say beyond complaining ?
[12:39] <Hitme> yes
[12:40] <Hitme> im just giving my opinion
[12:40] <ikonia> ok - please don't, as it's coming across as blind complaining
[12:40] <Hitme> i hope the new software center would come when its the final version
[12:41] <Hitme> looks coo,
[12:41] <Hitme> but hidden
[12:42] <Hitme> just asking, when i try to install some apps on software center, it say i need to use natty
[12:42] <ikonia> what exactly does it say and what application
[12:43] <Hitme> like flash player and adobe reader
[12:43] <ikonia> what is the exact error
[12:43] <Hitme> it says that i need to use natty repo
[12:43] <Hitme> and gave a choice to revert or
[12:44] <ikonia> I have never seen that. Have you logged if there is a bug logged for it ?
[12:44] <Hitme> um no?
[12:44] <ikonia> that's worth doing
[12:46] <IdleOne> you have mixed repos in your sources.list
[12:46] <Hitme> it say availabe from natty-partner source
[12:46] <IdleOne> should have upgraded properly
[12:47] <Hitme> but apt-get says its all oneric
[12:48] <jtaylor> acroread is not available in oneiric yet
[12:48] <jtaylor> will come later
[12:48] <Hitme> ah
[12:49] <Hitme> a reinstall perhaps for my system?
[12:51] <dr_willis> ive not really seen a need for acroreader  on my linux installs lately..  could be it has some features i never need. :)
[12:51] <Hitme> i mean a ubuntu reinstall
[12:53] <Hitme_> sorrymy ipad crashed
[12:54] <Hitme_> thats why i dced
[12:55] <dr_willis> Heh  that will teach you!
[12:55] <dr_willis> Its going to be a "Tablet Xmas" this year i bet....
[12:55] <Hitme_> huh?
[12:55] <dr_willis> big gift will be some sort of tablet. :)
[12:56] <Hitme_> i got mine last christmas
[12:57] <dr_willis> Best Buy guy said they are expecting like 40+ differnt kinds of tablets to be on their shelfs  by xmas. they are ging to have to rearange the store. :)
[12:57] <Hitme_> no ubuntu tablets
[12:57] <Hitme_> wonder when it will come ouy?
[12:59] <Hitme_> gtg bye
[12:59] <BluesKaj> tablets don't do much for me ...they won't last , I hear stories about trying to keep scrns from becoming gummed up a real pita
[13:00] <BluesKaj> ipads
[13:00] <penguin42> I can kind of see them being useful; haven't got one myself yet
[13:00] <dr_willis> gummed up screens? Hmm.. gummed where? :)
[13:01] <dr_willis> the wife likes her phone but wants a bigger screen.. so a tablet is what she 'needs'
[13:02] <dr_willis> but she dosent need a $500 one. :)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, guess it depends who uses it ...keep it away from kids
[13:03] <dr_willis> Heh.. its the grandkids that constantly want to play 'talkng tom' on her phone..
[13:03] <dr_willis> 3 yr old looks at a phone (any phone) and says 'kitty cat!'
[13:04] <dr_willis> shes mainly using it for email, and checking weather/websurfing    these days.. :) from her bed.. heh....  and as a tv-remote.
[13:05] <BluesKaj> guess 'm just old ...regard ipads as phones with big screens ...who needs a phone that big :)
[13:07] <dr_willis> people with bad eyesight.. like my wife. :)
[13:07] <BluesKaj> grandaughter is 12 ...Ipad for christmas...I thought that was bit much
[13:07] <dr_willis> 2 and 5 here.. both boys.. :)  wife wants a granddaughter to spoil....
[13:07] <dr_willis> oh wait.. hes 2 and a half now.. :) he has to get that half in...
[13:08] <dr_willis> hes a 'big boy'
[13:08] <BluesKaj> I have 4 grandaughters ...too many ...I can't afford to spoil them
[13:08]  * jussi reminds people about the channel that ends with -offtopic ;)
[13:08] <penguin42> OO is obviously just working too well
[13:10] <dr_willis> Im still not too sure how unity is supposed to work on tablets...   (back to ubuntu chat!) :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> seems so penguin42 , no real probs right at least ...but I'm on kde 4.7 so it might different in gnome country :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> now
[13:10] <penguin42> dr_willis: ? I'd assumed that was it's aim - big fat buttons down one edge you can prod with a finger
[13:10] <penguin42> BluesKaj: That --> machine is on KDE, and this <---  is on Unity
[13:10] <WaltherFI> I wonder when Canonical orders some tablets from a no-name asian company and starts shipping them with ubuntu in their names and with the official support
[13:11] <dr_willis> penguin42,  how is the panel supposed to appear? :) if ya touch the side i guess...
[13:12] <penguin42> dr_willis: Stay up all the time?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> penguin42, sorry , you confused me
[13:13] <penguin42> You can get some Tegra tablets for £160 - I'm not sure if anyone has tried forcing Ubuntu onto them
[13:16] <dr_willis> Yep. seeing more and more tablets all the time.. got a cheap one at CVS pharmacy the other day.. but suddendly the  Amazon app started crashing on it. :( i was using it as a book-reader.
[13:20] <penguin42> buying a tablet at a pharmacy could get confusing
[13:27] <BluesKaj> penguin42, here in Canada there's a retail chain called London Drugs , it's hard to find the drug aisle or pharmacist ..it sells pcs , big screen tvs , stereo systems , speakers :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/default.htm
[13:32] <dr_willis> :) had a %25 off cupon. I got the tablet just for watcing videos. and  i set it  up with a ssh-terminal and keybord. so i can IRC from it.
[13:34] <jussi> sigh. Still no sound on Oneiric
[13:35] <cdbs> jussi: pulseaudio -k
[13:35] <cdbs> jussi: ^^ fixes things for me
[13:35] <cdbs> jussi: pulse hangs frequently, the only way to fix it is to kill it and force it to re-spawn itself
[13:35] <jussi> cdbs: what does that do?
[13:35] <cdbs> jussi: it kills pulseaudio so that gnome-session starts it again
[13:36] <cdbs> and it also makes sure it is started again :)
[13:36] <jussi> cdbs: I fear for me on kubuntu it wont be helpful, but Ill try
[13:36] <cdbs> try it
[13:37] <cdbs> jussi: worked?
[13:38] <dr_willis> I dont even have speakers on my Testing box here..  no idea if sound works for me.
[13:39] <BluesKaj> I just remove pulseaudio ...no need for it here
[13:41] <jussi> cdbs: nope
[13:41] <cdbs> :(
[13:41] <jussi> Kmix shows "dummy output" :(
[13:41] <mendred> Hi... i had upgraded from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10, and i now get an error: incompatible license when i select a kernel and boot..the os boots just fine after that..but the plymouth splash doesnt appear....i am trying to debug the cause of this..any pointers would be appreciated..
[13:44] <kavurt> my ubuntu's internet connection is too slow, it was the same in alpha 2. is it common?
[13:47] <dr_willis> havent heard many people mention the issue kavurt  you wired? wireless? what chipset?
[13:47] <kavurt> it's wireless. i have kubuntu natty on the same computer. it's normal
[13:49] <kavurt> dr_willis: i have 20 mb connection, natty shows that. but oneiric downloads updates with 10 kb
[13:50] <BluesKaj> jussi, do you absolutely need pulseaudio?
[13:51] <jussi> BluesKaj: doesnt help if I remove it sadly
[13:51] <jussi> then kmix just wont start
[13:51] <kavurt> dr_willis: ahterow communications ltd. ar928x wireless adapter
[13:52] <BluesKaj> jussi, what about alsamixer , does it show your soundcard?
[13:55] <dsathe> kavurt: nope no issues here
[14:06] <prod_> HI all, can someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. I am trying to install oneiric alpha dvd amd64. I hit small bugs on both install and live so am insatting in text mode. My partition setup is: 10GB sba1 as /boot and the rest of the drive is a logical group where / is a logical volume in that group. but i cannot install grub. red screenerror on text mode
[14:06] <BUGabundo> good afternoon folks
[14:08] <Johnny_Giggles> evening all
[14:09] <Johnny_Giggles> May I ask about development on 11.10?  Are there any significant changes from 11.04 in terms of gcc, make, etc? I do a lot of C coding in gedit
[14:11] <jtaylor> the most significant is --as-needed default
[14:11] <Johnny_Giggles> I don't know that option
[14:11] <jtaylor> but it only causes problems for buggy builds
[14:11] <jtaylor> gcc 4.6 has a much improved link time optimizer, thats probably the most significant improvement
[14:12] <BluesKaj> prod , could be you have setup a boot partition where grub needs to be installed , let grub install itself without a flag
[14:12] <jtaylor> --as-needed avoids linking shared libraries which are not used in the code
[14:12] <jtaylor> and it requires the commandline used to link to be correctly ordered
[14:13] <jtaylor> objectes needing symbols before libraries providing them
[14:13] <Johnny_Giggles> ok
[14:13] <Johnny_Giggles> so if one file references another file and there is the opportunity for optimization, can it optimize?
[14:14] <jtaylor> if compiled with -flto yes
[14:14] <Johnny_Giggles> Say one file calls function() and the second file contains function() which always returns a constant.  Can gcc discard the function call entirely?
[14:14] <jtaylor> yes
[14:14] <Johnny_Giggles> is -flto not default, and if not, why?
[14:14] <jtaylor> it can pretty much do what -combine -fwhole-program did before
[14:14] <jtaylor> but much more scalable
[14:14] <prod_> BluesKaj. I am trying to use this partition for xen use and development. Needing much space for kernels and xen and booting into all kinda of environments
[14:14] <jtaylor> its very new
[14:15] <jtaylor> before 4.6 many projects could not compiel with flto because it used to much ram
[14:15] <jtaylor> e.g. firefox
[14:15] <jtaylor> many of these issues have ben fixed in 4.6
[14:15] <jtaylor> but its still a quite ressource intensive operation
[14:15] <prod_> ok false alarm, even though i was getting errors saying grub couldnt be installed it did and i have managed to boot
[14:16] <BluesKaj> prod_, try to install grub to / ?
[14:16] <prod_>  / is a logical volume
[14:19] <Johnny_Giggles> ok thx jtaylor
[14:21] <penguin42> anyone else seen 'the PyQt4.QtCore module is version 1 but the PyKDE4.kdecore module requires version -1' - and have any idea which package to report it against?
[14:24] <jtaylor> what do you mean with version 1?
[14:24] <penguin42> ?
[14:25] <jtaylor> In [45]: PyQt4.QtCore.qVersion()
[14:25] <jtaylor> Out[45]: '4.7.3'
[14:26] <penguin42> well that line came out of running ubuntu-bug and a similar error came out of running lp-shell
[14:26]  * penguin42 really should learn python
[14:27] <jtaylor> I don't understand the problem
[14:27]  * penguin42 resets this conversation
[14:28] <penguin42> When I run lp-shell or ubuntu-bug I get an error similar to the one above; and am wondering what to report it against
[14:28] <BUGabundo> ahahahaa
[14:28] <BUGabundo> penguin42: afaik only you and yofel where having problems with KDE packages
[14:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Something is obviously not happy somewhere in the python stack on kde, but I don't know any python to suggest what the most sane package to report it against is
[14:29] <yofel> @_@
[14:29] <yofel> odd error
[14:29]  * penguin42 picks python-kde4
[14:30]  * BUGabundo hands penguin42 a bigger poking stick
[14:31] <jtaylor> mh lp-shell could use a better shell
[14:31] <jtaylor> regular python shell sucks³
[14:34] <bullgard6> network-manager annoys me endlessly: "Authentication required by wireless network" after it had told me at the beginning: Wireless network disconnected." I am connected to the Internet vie Ethernet. How to get rid o these messages for this running session?
[14:35] <penguin42> right, bug 826321
[14:35] <bullgard6> s/o /of /
[14:54] <prod_> wow, my gnome apps are crashing like crazy on alpha :D
[14:54] <prod_> desktop apps*
[14:54] <BUGabundo> not only yours
[14:54] <BUGabundo> half of mine crash
[14:54] <BUGabundo> I just press cancel
[14:54] <BUGabundo> 8 times in a row
[14:55] <prod_> lol
[14:55] <prod_> can you change the position of unity bar?
[14:57] <bullgard6> prod_: My GNOME 3 applications do not crash.  -  Catch error messages and report them to Launchpad please.
[14:57] <prod_> update seemed to help stop the crashing
[14:58] <BUGabundo> prod_: I tend to be a gnome classic user... but on lubuntu right now. login is borked for me
[14:58] <yofel> penguin42: rebuilding pykde4 helps
[14:58] <prod_> xen gonna hit the xen
[15:52] <BluesKaj> seems ppl are avoiding kde , but it also appears to have fewer probs than other desktops atm
[15:53] <nperry> Ubuntu Mono is nice!!
[16:03] <penguin42> pulse isn;t entirely happy
[16:05] <penguin42> it's occasionally dying on me
[16:46] <BluesKaj> penguin42, do you have pavucontrol , paman or paprefs installed  ?
[16:47]  * penguin42 thinks so
[16:47] <penguin42> all of them
[16:50] <BluesKaj> penguin42, do you feed an audio receiver or any such device or is it strictly pc soundcard connections, and do you feed multiple audio sources/streams to your network ?
[16:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Very simple - just audio out of stereo socket
[16:55] <BluesKaj> penguin42, then if yo're just listening thru pc speakers and not feeding other sounds over a network then you really don't need pulseaudio ...it's redundant in a setup like yours , alsa should fill your needs
[16:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It solves the problem of multiple things trying to drive audio at once
[16:57] <BluesKaj> penguin42, for example ? I don't quite understand
[16:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: With just alsa I can't play flash at the same time as my music player running
[16:58] <cjohnston> Does anyone else have an issue where the unity bar does not come to the front when the pointer is at the left (or top left) of the screen?
[16:58] <BluesKaj> penguin42, but why would you ?
[16:58] <penguin42> cjohnston: Doesn't for me
[16:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: ?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> have different sounds playing simultaneously ...guess i'm getting old
[17:00] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh, I have music playing but will watch a short youtube thing
[17:00] <cjohnston> penguin42: since an update two days ago, if I have any other windows maximized, I can't get the unity bar to come up without hitting the ubuntu button on the keyboard.. and that brings out the entire window
[17:00] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Or have music running and start a game going ; with Alsa one of them will probably crash/hang failing to open the sound device
[17:01]  * BluesKaj just shakes his head , ok penguin42 , nm
[17:02] <penguin42> cjohnston: It's being a bit random for me - pressing the windows key is bringing it up at the moment - but the Ubuntu icon at the top left has gone
[17:02] <cjohnston> penguin42: thats the issue i have
[17:03] <penguin42> right, time to make some dinner - back in 30
[17:46] <penguin42> crumble is in
[18:12] <celeryman> hello, using ubuntu 11.10, lightdm login... cant login as user, guest is fine, after i put in password for user, does like a soft restart then takes me back to login? any ideas? and thanks
[18:13] <trism> celeryman: anything in /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log or :?-greeter.log can also be interesting
[18:14] <celeryman> would you like me to post?
[18:14] <trism> celeryman: sure
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Logging to /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Starting Light Display Manager 0.9.4, UID=0 PID=552
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Loaded configuration from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Registered seat module xlocal
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Adding default seat
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Starting seat
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Starting new display for greeter
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Starting Local X Display
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Using VT 7
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Activating VT 7
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Logging to /var/log/lightdm/:0.log
[18:15] <penguin42> in a pastebin!
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Writing X server authority to /var/run/lightdm/root/:0
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Launching X Server
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.17s] DEBUG: Launching process 613: /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
[18:15] <celeryman> [+0.19s] DEBUG: Waiting for ready signal from X server :0
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.81s] DEBUG: Got signal 10 from process 613
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.81s] DEBUG: Got signal from X server :0
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.81s] DEBUG: Connecting to XServer :0
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.82s] DEBUG: Starting greeter session
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.83s] DEBUG: pam_start("lightdm", "lightdm") -> (0x948dc88, 0)
[18:15] <celeryman> [+1.83s] DEBUG: Starting session unity-greeter as user lightdm logging to /var/log/lightdm/:0-greeter.log
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.07s] DEBUG: Opened ConsoleKit session 02e722025a206b8abe560ce24e449379-1313343769.256612-295482080
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.07s] DEBUG: Adding session authority to /var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.42s] DEBUG: pam_open_session(0x948dc88, 0) -> 0 (Success)
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.43s] DEBUG: pam_setcred(0x948dc88, PAM_ESTABLISH_CRED) -> 0 (Success)
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.43s] DEBUG: Launching session
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.43s] DEBUG: PAM returns environment 'GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-oA0rBT GNOME_KEYRING_PID=1197 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games LANG=en_US.UTF-8'
[18:15] <celeryman> [+2.43s] DEBUG: Launching process 1198: LIGHTDM_FROM_SERVER_FD=16 DISPLAY=:0 HOME=/var/lib/lightdm GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL=/tmp/keyring-oA0rBT XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=02e722025a206b8abe560ce24e449379-1313343769.256612-295482080 GDMSESSION=unity-greeter LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LIGHTDM_TO_SERVER_FD=19 XAUTHORITY=/var/lib/lightdm/.Xauthority USERNAME=lightdm DESKTOP_SESSION=unity-greeter
[18:16] <celeryman> oh, sorry...
[18:16] <penguin42> what about the .xsession-errors file for your user?
[18:17] <celeryman> quick question, never used pastebin before, do i just copy a link into here?
[18:18] <trism> celeryman: yes, after you pastebinit just give us the url
[18:18] <celeryman> http://pastebin.com/g0DSusd0
[18:19] <celeryman> that is var/log/lightdm
[18:22] <trism> celeryman: don't really see anything unusual there, ~/.xsession-errors may explain why the session is failing as penguin42 suggested
[18:23] <celeryman> okay, one sec
[18:25] <dr_willis> It would be neat if 11.10 does multiseat support in an easy to use way..  I just noticed that   n> [+0.16s] DEBUG: Adding default seat     line and rembered seeing it in the lightdm configs...
[18:25] <celeryman> http://pastebin.com/fWECAer5
[18:25] <celeryman> thats all of it   thanks again for all yalls help
[18:31] <nperry> With the Ubuntu mono font, is it always going to be a seperate name from Ubuntu font?
[18:32] <dr_willis> arent most mono fonts that way?
[18:33] <dr_willis> I seem to recall droid sans being that way also..  never really paid attention to it. :)
[18:34] <nperry> Just checking, they normally are.
[18:35] <nperry> But ubuntu mono looks nice in my urxvt
[18:38] <celeryman> do i need any more info?
[18:42] <dsathe> anyone here tried to build nvidia current on a custom kernel
[18:43] <dsathe> ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.0.1-ck1-sathe-rev5 is not supported
[18:43] <dsathe> any solutions
[18:46] <celeryman> comp tweaked... sorry
[18:47] <trism> celeryman: sorry, I'm not really sure what the problem is, may want to try creating a new user and see if they can log in successfully
[18:48] <penguin42> nothing too obvious - nautilus is really not very happy from that - but I don't know if that's really the issue
[18:49] <trism> yeah I get those nautilus errors with a 'working' session
[18:49] <celeryman> okay, thanks
[18:50] <penguin42> wonders if there is any aim to have .xsession-errors empty unless something bad happens - it would be nice
[18:50] <dsathe> any idea
[18:50] <dsathe> plz anyone
[18:50] <dsathe> i cannot seem to get nvidia-current to build against a custom kernel
[18:53] <celeryman> really appreciate yalls help..
[18:54]  * penguin42 bets celeryman is Texan
[18:59] <BluesKaj> dsathe, why a custom kernel anyway ?... bound to be probs
[19:01] <penguin42> dsathe: My guess is that the nvidia driver (that I don't use) explicitly checks the version and rejects other versions - so you might just have to shortcircuit the check
[19:02] <bjsnider> dsathe, custom kernels are your own project and are not supported
[19:04] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, since his kernel is tagged -ck it likely means he's using con kolivas's scheduler instead of the built-in kernel scheduler
[19:06] <penguin42> bjsnider: He can't expect support, but if anyone knows it's not unreasonable to ask
[19:06] <dsathe> i guess
[19:06] <dsathe> building nvidia from src too
[19:06] <dsathe> :D
[19:07] <dsathe> bjsnider: i realise but dkms of an os should work , ubuntu must support such basic functions
[19:08] <dsathe> this is no M$ had anfor gods sake
[19:08] <Ian_Corne> i didn't quite understand that last one :p
[19:09] <dsathe> if we cant install custom kernels on a linux dist i think its rather limiting
[19:09] <bjsnider> you did install it
[19:09] <bjsnider> this is all offtopic
[19:09] <dsathe> agreed
[19:09] <guntbert> dsathe: remember you are running an alpha version
[19:10] <dsathe> but someone would know rite
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> yes, probably, and most likely they are not here in this 20 minute timeframe you're talking now
[19:10] <dsathe> no harm askin :( if someone can help
[19:10] <bjsnider> dsathe, find the dkms maintainer and ask him
[19:10] <Ian_Corne> that's true offource :)
[19:10] <dsathe> hahaha
[19:11] <dsathe> k ill figure it on my own den , thanks neway
[19:12] <Ian_Corne> well, your question is asked, should some1 with the required knowledge happen to read it, they might respond, but I doubt they're checking ehre for the backlog
[19:12] <bjsnider> check the dkms control file and it will tell you the ubuntu/debian maintainer's name and email address
[19:12] <dsathe> bjsnider: it will be easier to build from src
[19:13] <dsathe> i dont think its right to bother him with something small as this
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> the ubuntu maintainer is contacted at ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> that's not really bothering, it's an email to a list :)
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> there is however this: Please consider filing a bug or asking a question via Launchpad before contacting the maintainer directly.
[19:14] <dsathe> Ian_Corne: thanks for the info , ill generate a more complete bug report on it first then submit
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[19:14] <dsathe> i am aware of of lp i use it ;)
[19:16] <dsathe> i though it was a bug on my side or a small trivial error , not a major one that would need the maintainers interaction , if i could solve it without that no harm giving it a shot , else ill mail
[19:21] <bullgard6> network-manager annoys me endlessly: "Authentication required by wireless network" after it had told me at the beginning: Wireless network disconnected." I am connected to the Internet vie Ethernet. How to get rid o these messages for this running session?
[19:23] <vvcv> t
[19:23] <vvcv> hi
[19:26] <dsathe> interesting there is a package that reads nvidia-current-updates and nvidia-current
[19:26] <dsathe> both have exactly the same functionality
[19:26] <dsathe> in oneric
[19:26] <dsathe> repos , is that wierd ?
[19:26] <dsathe> both point to 280.13-0ubuntu1
[19:28] <BluesKaj> dsathe, depending on the nvidia card , the drivers from nvidia's site appear to be working , such as the 280.13 for more recent cards
[19:31] <vvcv> should i use 10.04 10.10 11.04 or 11.10
[19:31] <BluesKaj> I'm using the 289.13 from the launchpad ppa ..dunno if it's been modded vs the nvidia more proprietary one
[19:31] <BluesKaj> err 280
[19:32] <vvcv> should i use 10.04 10.10 11.04 or 11.10
[19:32] <BluesKaj> !polls
[19:32] <dsathe> BluesKaj the 2 packages in the rpo is something wierd and new
[19:33] <dsathe> i hope its not a bug
[19:33] <dsathe> is ubutnu rel planning a to provide bleeding edge updates as nvidia releases a new stable unix drivers
[19:33] <dsathe> in the form of nvidia-current-updates
[19:33] <vvcv> should i use 10.04 10.10 11.04 or 11.10
[19:33] <dsathe> vvcv 11.04
[19:34] <dsathe> to all users , if so i think its brilliant move
[19:34] <dsathe> esp for ppl trapped with fermi gpu
[19:34] <dsathe> and new to nix , building is a pain
[19:34] <BluesKaj> guess he din't get the hint
[19:35] <dsathe> :D
[19:39] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: you could at least tell him that 11.10 is not meant to be used as a system for working :p
[19:41] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, Me? ..why me ? :)
[20:04] <Rods_Tiger> I?ve just updated to 10.10 but I'm having a problem with the screen settings. Is there an obvious way of having the screen stay on forever? It seems to have a maximum limit of one hour, which is clearly nowhere near enough.
[20:05] <guntbert> Rods_Tiger: 10.10 is supported in #ubuntu
[20:05] <Rods_Tiger> is it?
[20:05] <Rods_Tiger> I thought it was still in alpha, hence here
[20:05] <guntbert> Rods_Tiger: of course, this channel is for 11.10
[20:05] <Rods_Tiger> that's the one
[20:06] <guntbert> ahm you mistyped :-))
[20:06] <Rods_Tiger> no, I didn't, I didn't realise it was called 11.10
[20:06] <guntbert> Rods_Tiger: its easy: year.month
[20:06] <Rods_Tiger> ah
[20:07] <Rods_Tiger> this is 2011 already? time flies
[20:08] <Rods_Tiger> anyway, that's beside the point, I didn't ask about the name of the thing, I asked about the screen settings
[20:11] <guntbert> Rods_Tiger: sorry, no help from me in that realm, in my 11.04 there is "never" at the bottom
[20:12] <bjsnider> vlc has got to be the hardest package to build from source that we have in linux
[20:13] <Ian_Corne> Rods_Tiger: I asume you mean on a laptop?
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> hmm, probably desktop too
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> I also don't see any way to set it higher then an hour, or disable it..
[20:18] <Rods_Tiger> I used to have an xset setting, when I knew how to do that sort of thing, but the upgrade ate it.
[20:18] <Ian_Corne> yeah, i know what you mean
[20:19] <Ian_Corne> there's also no option in the power settings menu
[20:19] <Ian_Corne> Rods_Tiger: I suggest filing a bug against the gnome-control-center package
[20:19] <Rods_Tiger> this is going to cause a lot of people to complain - what about the people who watch films on their computer? Most films are more than an hour long
[20:19] <Ian_Corne> or whatever the package is with the screen option
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> Rods_Tiger: most movie players keep your OS from doing that
[20:20] <Rods_Tiger> really?
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> they keep an "alive" state
[20:20] <Rods_Tiger> aha
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> flash full screen doesn't
[20:20] <Ian_Corne> or didn't
[20:20] <trism> Rods_Tiger: currently I have: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false; and then xset -dpms; and that seems to have killed it
[20:21] <Ian_Corne> aha, the very handy setting " gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false" ofcource :p
[20:22] <Rods_Tiger> mine was something like that. In fact, it was a couple of years ago so I can't remember any of it now, but it set the screen to power up in the morning, then power down at midnight, and left it on all day (as a photoframe).
[20:22] <Rods_Tiger> with the help of a cron job
[20:23] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[20:23] <Ian_Corne> well, there also was a gui way to do it in 11.04 (not timed tho)
[20:23] <Rods_Tiger> I'll just have to learn how I did it all over again.
[20:24] <Ian_Corne> well yes, maybe commandline, but the setting should still be in the power menu or the screen menu
[20:24] <trism> previously I could just disable the screensaver and set blanking to never in the power manager but those options are gone unfortunately
[20:24] <Ian_Corne> can't have a grandma having to do commandline stuff because she's thinking to long about her next scrabble move
[20:24] <Ian_Corne> trism: exactly what I meant
[20:33] <Rods_Tiger> it could do with a special 'photoframe' mode (which is what I use it for, not counting the apache server)
[20:33] <Rods_Tiger> that way it can display the photos folder forever. If it had time off and time on options, I'm sure a lot of people would find use for that.
[20:34] <Ian_Corne> well if you set gnome eye or what is it, to slideshow and cycle
[20:34] <Ian_Corne> doesn' tit keep the display alive?
[20:34] <Rods_Tiger> that'll override the screen blanking?
[20:35] <Rods_Tiger> I use feh, btw
[20:35] <Ian_Corne> try it :)
[20:35] <Ian_Corne> I'm wondering why you even have unity running when there's only apache and that running :)
[20:36] <Rods_Tiger> I shall. I tried almost all of them some time back, and none of them were suitable for one reason or another, and feh was the only one that was
[20:36] <Rods_Tiger> true - it's just in case it needs to get used as a 'normal' computer now and then (which pretty much didn't happen in the end)
[20:38] <Rods_Tiger> it's an Acer Aspire One netbook with a knackered battery of 10mins lifetime now, connected to a spare 15 TFT display, and this was a good use for both otherwise redundant units.
[20:39] <Ian_Corne> you can still use it without unity
[20:39] <Ian_Corne> but that's not a solution to the general problem ofcource
[20:40] <Rods_Tiger> which is unity? same as gnome?
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's the DE
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> desktop environment
[20:41] <Rods_Tiger> the upgrade asked me about something like a DE or a lightDE
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> for you, you could just start a basic X session and run the feh command :)
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> that's lightDM
[20:41] <Rods_Tiger> aha. I chose the lightDM
[20:41] <Ian_Corne> that's something else :)
[20:42] <Rods_Tiger> it's not a particularly heavy computer
[20:42] <Ian_Corne> well, it replaces GDM
[20:42] <Rods_Tiger> aha - the thing that signs me in?
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:38] <diverse_izzue> hi guys. my laptop is doing something new: under high load, the CPU reaches 100 degrees celcius and the kernel performs an emergency shutdown. that never happened under earlier releases. ideas?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> well, do you have anything to compare it with, another version of ubuntu or windows loaded on the system?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> otherwise, it could be just dust clogging up the cooling vents
[21:39] <urlin2u> diverse_izzue, install htop and look at whats running things can be shutdown with htop.
[21:39] <diverse_izzue> urlin2u, the problem is not the high load, that's intended. the problem is rather that the fan doesn't step in enough to cool the system.
[21:40] <diverse_izzue> Ian_Corne, I could be wrong, but I guess the fan control doesn't work like it used to
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> Well, i don't have that issue atm
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> urlin2u: even with the cpu at 100% at all times, it should not reach 100°C
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> the fans should cool it enough
[21:44] <urlin2u> Ian_Corne, there are controls for that but I forget their names, I have a netbook that wont use any of them.
[21:45] <urlin2u> Ian_Corne, must run a bit slow with 100% cpu.
[22:02] <szal> moin folks
[22:03] <szal> do I see correctly that the new version of the Ubuntu font is considerably bolder than the old one?  (pkg version 0ubuntu5 (Oneiric) vs. 0ubuntu2 (Natty))
[22:05] <szal> I hardly see a difference between Regular and Bold at 10pt in Konversation
[22:20] <szal> hmm, possible explanation..  KDE (4.6.5) uses the Medium instead of the Regular
[22:27] <Ian_Corne> should 11.10 be on 4.7?
[22:27] <szal> is that fixed in KDE 4.7?  I see that Gtk applications use the correct font
[22:27]  * szal is not on 11.10
[22:27] <szal> I just pulled the ttf-ubuntu-font-family pkg from Oneiric
[22:28] <szal> in the hope that something else about the font was fixed, but it isn't
[22:46] <Ian_Corne> did you file a bug report with the thing that you would like to see fixed ?
[22:46] <cyberkilla> (_8(|)
[22:46] <szal> Ian_Corne: not yet, just noticed that 2 hours or so ago
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> well a good first step is seeing if it's fixed already, so good for you! :)