[00:40] <MSUUSER> I just installed ubuntu 11.04 and and having trouble with disappearing windows.  They do not appear at all until I mouse over them, and then they only appear for a split second.  It is not even enough time for me to read the menu options
[00:41] <philipballew> MSUUSER, all apps or just some?
[00:41] <MSUUSER> I'm not even trying to use apps.  It is the OS windows/menus
[00:43] <MSUUSER> The same goes for mouse-click menus.  If I right click with the mouse the menu flashes for a moment then dissappears.
[00:46] <philipballew> that is interesting. might be a x problem, or even compiz
[00:46] <MSUUSER> Sorry, I don't know what that is.  Any suggestions?
[00:47] <urlin2u> MSUUSER, have you updated the OS?
[00:48] <philipballew> liquidsnakex2, ill help here
[00:48] <liquidsnakex2> whats the difference ?
[00:48] <liquidsnakex2> well thanks for your help man
[00:48] <liquidsnakex2> my laptop is a compaq presario 2226 CL
[00:49] <liquidsnakex2> and it's old i know and it's only windows xp shit supported and i am sorry for my foul rude words but windows really is crap
[00:49] <philipballew> then whipe it and run ubuntu entirely
[00:49] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[00:49] <MSUUSER> I tried, but am not sure if it worked. I managed to select updates and start the process.  I couldn't see if it was working since everything disappears. Then later I tried again, and it said updates were already there. So I think I did.
[00:50] <liquidsnakex2> philipballew would you please see the specs of the laptop
[00:50] <liquidsnakex2> and tell me about it
[00:50] <philipballew> what i would do is use a ubuntu live cd and install it from there. with that you can boot into the cd and run ubuntu from the cd before you install to your hard drive. you want me to look them up for you?
[00:50] <urlin2u> MSUUSER, can you log out and choose the classic desktop if not there already.
[00:50] <philipballew> ill do that sure
[00:51] <MSUUSER> urlin2u, OK I can log out. But I don't know how to choose the classic desktop.
[00:51] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot man
[00:51] <liquidsnakex2> i am still a new guy to the linux based OS philipballew so i really appreciate ur assistance alot
[00:52] <liquidsnakex2> i am planning to install it after couple of questions
[00:52] <urlin2u> MSUUSER, bottom of screen after click your name is a choice frop down.
[00:52] <urlin2u> drop down
[00:53] <philipballew> ask away liquidsnakex2 :)
[00:53] <liquidsnakex2> well do i need the drivers of my obselete laptop ?
[00:53] <liquidsnakex2> or ubuntu 11.04 will just control it
[00:54] <liquidsnakex2> i ran the testing hardware proggie and kinda unchecked some stuff that's not available in my laptop like finger print and memory card port and so and it succeded i think
[00:55] <MSUUSER> urlin2u, That worked! Thanks! I can see!
[00:56] <urlin2u> MSUUSER, cool look in the menu additional divers I believe you may need a graphic driver.
[00:56] <philipballew> just like software, software made for ubuntu will not run on linux and software made on wondows is not gonna run on ubuntu. drivers are in essence software and therefor each operating system weather windows, osx or ubuntu, each require their own driver for each piece of  hardware.
[00:56] <philipballew> ubuntu has their own drivers
[00:56] <urlin2u> additional drivers*
[00:57] <liquidsnakex2> well how can i obtain them i mean is there any program in ubuntu 11.04 that will allow me to search for the appropriate linux drivers
[00:57] <liquidsnakex2> thanks thanks guys very much now it's clear for me
[00:57] <philipballew> sometimes on newer systems drivers take a little longet time to get them made. but with your age of your laptop
[00:57] <MSUUSER> OK, thanks.  I'm off, now.
[00:57] <philipballew> drivers with linux bassed systems are handled differently. chack this out!
[00:58] <philipballew> in wondows you have to manually install all drivers corrent?
[00:58] <liquidsnakex2> yes correct
[00:59] <philipballew> with ubuntu 95 percent of all drivers are installed into the operating system already and the operating system just "pulls" whatever driver it needs from the system whenever it decects hardware requiring that driver is present
[00:59] <liquidsnakex2> that's good
[00:59] <liquidsnakex2> i see great
[00:59] <liquidsnakex2> so for an old laptop like mine it's like guaranteed it will be there
[00:59] <philipballew> basically
[01:00] <philipballew> see, often with any bugs or problems they've already been fixed and are working
[01:00] <liquidsnakex2> thanks
[01:00] <liquidsnakex2> thanks allot man
[01:00] <philipballew> but still! heres what you need to do
[01:00] <liquidsnakex2> yes tell me please !
[01:01] <philipballew> boot your laptop from cd with the ubuntu live cd you'll download. then choose try ubuntu and play with it. see if it works
[01:01] <philipballew> how much ram/memory do you have
[01:02] <liquidsnakex2> yea i am currently working from it philipballew
[01:02] <liquidsnakex2> my system specs :
[01:02] <liquidsnakex2> 1.5 GHZ pentium m , 992 memory ram, 57 or so GB hard disk
[01:03] <liquidsnakex2> 64 graphics , dvd rom, network rj45 , telephone jack, one firewire port, 2 usb's
[01:03] <philipballew> so 1 gig ram I see
[01:03] <philipballew> or so
[01:04] <liquidsnakex2> yea yea
[01:04] <liquidsnakex2> after graphics cutting and so the available is 992 for system usage
[01:04] <philipballew> ubuntu will install on that
[01:04] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[01:04] <liquidsnakex2> and wireless network thing
[01:04] <philipballew> the graphics card should run fine. if it doesnt ill recomend installing ubuntu with a different desktop on it
[01:06] <philipballew> im not garenteeing everything will work right out of the box though
[01:06] <philipballew> but it will install and boot i would say
[01:06] <philipballew> and it should work after that
[01:07] <philipballew> do you wanna install ubuntu 11.04 or 10.-4
[01:07] <philipballew> *10.04
[01:07] <liquidsnakex2> 11.04
[01:07] <philipballew> okay
[01:08] <liquidsnakex2> here is my dead laptop's specs
[01:08] <liquidsnakex2> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00284681&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=445340
[01:08] <liquidsnakex2> please take a look just a quick look and tell me
[01:09] <philipballew> hey holstein can you look at http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00284681&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=445340 and see if you'd recomend ubuntu or maybe xubuntu or lubuntu?
[01:09] <liquidsnakex2> holstein ?
[01:09] <liquidsnakex2> oh ops not me
[01:10] <philipballew> yes, him. just wait a quick minute liquidsnakex2
[01:10] <liquidsnakex2> ok
[01:10] <liquidsnakex2> i am here please don't ignore me
[01:10] <philipballew> i am not
[01:10] <philipballew> i might suggest you install http://xubuntu.org/
[01:11] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot man
[01:11] <philipballew> its just a suggestion
[01:11] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[01:11] <liquidsnakex2> what's the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu ?
[01:11] <liquidsnakex2> which is better ?
[01:12] <philipballew> not really better
[01:12] <philipballew> different graphical user interfaces
[01:12] <philipballew> everything is the same under the hood
[01:13] <liquidsnakex2> well if you say so then what would be the problems i might face installing ubuntu 11.04
[01:14] <philipballew> it will install. but your specs say you have 512 ram
[01:14] <philipballew> so xubuntu would just run a little faster was it
[01:14] <liquidsnakex2> no no
[01:14] <liquidsnakex2> i upgraded it man
[01:14] <liquidsnakex2> it's 1 GB now
[01:14] <liquidsnakex2> 512 mb x 2
[01:15] <philipballew> hum. then install ubuntu and see if the graphics work good and fine. if they do. good. if not do xubuntu
[01:16] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[01:16] <liquidsnakex2> well eventually i don't need to install drivers
[01:16] <liquidsnakex2> because unbuntu 11.04 will take care of it auto. ?
[01:16] <KM0201> 512mb, id' run lubuntu.. xubuntu isn't that much "faster" than gnome nowdays, w/ all its bloat.
[01:16] <philipballew> if this is your only computer i would make both cd's just in case you install ubuntu and the graphics dont work at all you can xubuntu it. yeah. you might have something say like odd hardware like...
[01:17] <philipballew> maybe a fingerprinf reader or something
[01:17] <liquidsnakex2> KM0201 it's 1 GB not 512
[01:17] <philipballew> but most all things like usb. ethernet
[01:17] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: oh ok, i just saw someone say specs say 512.
[01:17] <liquidsnakex2> philipballew i am sorry but i don't understand "maybe a fingerprinf reader or something"
[01:17] <liquidsnakex2> KM0201 no problem
[01:17] <philipballew> KM0201, yeah he later informed me he upped it
[01:18] <philipballew> *finger reader
[01:18] <philipballew> bad spelling on my laptop
[01:18] <philipballew> basically if its hardware everyone has its gonna work
[01:18] <liquidsnakex2> yes i know but i didn't understand what you are saying about it
[01:18] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[01:18] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: if you have oddball hardware, ubuntu may not configure it out of the box.. that's all he's saying.
[01:18] <philipballew> ^ yeah, simple and sweet
[01:19] <liquidsnakex2> KM0201 it's not that old it's 2004/2005 guys :(
[01:19] <KM0201> he just used a fingerprint reader as an example
[01:19] <liquidsnakex2> not like 100 years old
[01:19] <liquidsnakex2> just few years
[01:19] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: that really doesn't matter, 2004/2005 hardware, can be "odd" alsol
[01:19] <liquidsnakex2> KM0201 take a look and tell me about this
[01:19] <liquidsnakex2> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00284681&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=445340
[01:20] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: bst way to test for problems, is boot a live CD, and if you have questions about things you should check, etc.. come back here while on the live cd
[01:20] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: that is totally useless... won't even bother.
[01:20] <philipballew> id try thee live cd and see how it works first
[01:20] <liquidsnakex2> kay man then why were you bothering yourself from the first place
[01:20] <KM0201> exactly.
[01:20] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: because looking at the specs of the devices.. tells me nothing about what the actual devices are.
[01:20] <liquidsnakex2> philipballew i am currently writing from the live cd
[01:20] <philipballew> the only thing i needed from there ram. KM0201 lets play nice
[01:21] <KM0201> philipballew: i am.. it's just pointless to look at the manufacturer specs.
[01:21] <philipballew> if your writting, then id say everythings gonna work then
[01:21] <liquidsnakex2> KM0201 okay save it for yourself and don't annoy us
[01:21] <liquidsnakex2> thanks for being negative guy in ubuntu forums
[01:21] <philipballew> kids these days...
[01:21] <philipballew> you guys need to be friends :)
[01:21] <KM0201> liquidsnakex2: whatever.. .. i'm not being negative, i was just saying look at your specs is pointless, get help elsewhere.
[01:22] <liquidsnakex2> if you will help please do and i am thankful, if you don't then please leave
[01:22] <liquidsnakex2> philipballew directed me here and he is helping
[01:22] <liquidsnakex2> thank you very much for your politeness now go take a hike
[01:22] <KM0201> piss off
[01:22] <liquidsnakex2> go away
[01:23] <liquidsnakex2> rude
[01:23] <KM0201> i've been coming here for years.. i don't need your help, .. i'll jus tstop responding to your nonsense now.
[01:23] <liquidsnakex2> get lost
[01:24] <liquidsnakex2> are you pvt me ?
[01:24] <liquidsnakex2> get lost rude
[01:27] <pedro3005> KM0201, quit it
[01:27] <KM0201> pedro3005: day late dollar short, it's over.
[01:27] <KM0201> and frankly i didn't "start it"
[01:28] <pedro3005> it's over? k good
[01:28] <liquidsnakex2> you interfered and said 512 isn't enough bla bla bla and i didn't ask you
[01:29] <liquidsnakex2> and i replied it's "1 GB" but obviously you don't care enough to read, so what's the point of talking
[01:29] <liquidsnakex2> and when i asked you to check the specs you said, no need, then thanks but no thanks
[01:29] <liquidsnakex2> who started it ?
[01:30] <pedro3005> don't make a "who started it" discussion
[01:30] <liquidsnakex2> i am not
[01:30] <liquidsnakex2> just clearing it out
[01:30] <liquidsnakex2> that's all.
[01:31]  * KM0201 chuckles.. 
[01:32] <KM0201> anyone who ccan scroll up, can see that went quite a bit differently, but whatever
[01:34] <holstein> philipballew: pong
[01:34]  * holstein looking now
[01:35] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: i say either
[01:35] <holstein> xubuntu is arguably more 'normal'
[01:35] <philipballew> i am curious if his graphics can handle unity
[01:36] <holstein> unity2d is actually pretty light
[01:36] <urlin2u> holstein, it's like looking in the mirror for me. ;)
[01:36] <urlin2u> up above
[01:36] <philipballew> is 2d in 11.04 or only 11.10?
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> 2d unity is the default fallback in the card wont/can't handle Unity
[01:37] <holstein> philipballew: AFAIK, both
[01:37] <holstein> DarkwingDuck: is that offical? in 11.10?
[01:37] <holstein> i know thats *not* the case in 11.04
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> According to Jono in his weekly Q&A
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, for 11.10
[01:38] <holstein> DarkwingDuck: cool... i think thats a good call
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> They wanted to for 11.04 but, it wasn't quite ready
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> as much of Unity but hey... whos arguing.
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[01:38] <holstein> i think that was nice to give folks the gnome2 option easily too
[01:39] <holstein> for that transitional release
[01:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, but with gnome3... Ouch
[01:39] <philipballew> i cant stand gnome3
[01:39] <holstein> i think its got some nice features...
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Well, then again I'm a KDE nut
[01:40] <KM0201> gnome 3 isa mess.
[01:40] <DarkwingDuck> Although reading Linus bash it in G+ was funny.
[01:40] <KM0201> i love gnome, but.. gnome 3 will end my use of that GUI.
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> It's kinda funny... Ubuntu said "I have a bad idea (unity)" Gnome went "Oh yeah? I can make a worse one (Gnome3)"
[01:41] <philipballew> i wonder how gnome foundation feels about linus now
[01:41] <philipballew> ^ haha!
[01:43] <liquidsnakex2> hi holstein
[01:44] <liquidsnakex2> i kinda have some questions and i would be thankful if you can help me out
[01:44] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: whats up?
[01:45] <liquidsnakex2> i have an old laptop
[01:45] <liquidsnakex2> and i want to remove this win xp 2 sp3
[01:45] <holstein> sure
[01:45] <liquidsnakex2> please don't laugh ...
[01:45] <liquidsnakex2> thanks
[01:46] <liquidsnakex2> well can i just ask for 5 minutes of your time to take alook at my laptops specs
[01:46] <holstein> i think i did
[01:46] <holstein> 512mb of ram
[01:46] <liquidsnakex2> i have 1 GB
[01:47] <liquidsnakex2> availble now 992 mb
[01:47] <holstein> even better
[01:47] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot
[01:47] <holstein> sure, thats great
[01:47] <holstein> you can do a lot with a gig of ram
[01:47] <holstein> if you arent doing video editing/rendering, you'll be just fine on a box of that era
[01:47] <liquidsnakex2> yea holstein but in win xp pro i can't do much
[01:48] <liquidsnakex2> no no no nothing like that i am just using it for office stuff and emailing and browsing
[01:48] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: but, how old is that install?
[01:48] <liquidsnakex2> well it came with it i think ://
[01:48] <holstein> you really need to reinstall windows every now and then
[01:48] <holstein> and maintain it
[01:48] <liquidsnakex2> yea ...
[01:48] <liquidsnakex2> exactly
[01:48] <philipballew> windows is more resource hungry i find and the windows install slows down often
[01:48] <liquidsnakex2> put antivirus consume the memory and resources
[01:48] <holstein> not that linux is magic, and maintenance free
[01:49] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: download a live CD, thats what you will install from
[01:49] <holstein> try it... you'll probably find the live cd faster than your current XP :)
[01:49] <liquidsnakex2> i did holstein burnt 2 cd's nd 2 dvds too as backups
[01:49] <liquidsnakex2> and yes i read about the live cd i am running the laptop from it
[01:49] <holstein> you dont need to really worry about backups of the installation media
[01:50] <liquidsnakex2> the question is about my drivers, which is annyoing that's all ...
[01:50] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: whats not working?
[01:50] <holstein> wifi?
[01:50] <holstein> is this xubuntu? lubuntu?
[01:50] <liquidsnakex2> yea
[01:50] <liquidsnakex2> ubuntu 11.04
[01:51] <liquidsnakex2> the wifi led was blinking
[01:51] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: run lspci and put that somewhere like pastebin
[01:51] <philipballew> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[01:51] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: you cant trust any lights, but you'll need to make sure its able to be used
[01:51] <holstein> not disabled in the bios
[01:51] <holstein> or turned off in the hardware somehow
[01:51] <liquidsnakex2> i doublechecked that yes
[01:52] <liquidsnakex2> before asking i double check it and write it down so i dont waste people's time
[01:52] <liquidsnakex2> not disabled in the bios
[01:52] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: you're doing fine :)
[01:52] <liquidsnakex2> thanks man thanks alot
[01:52] <holstein> ive seen some time wasting happen, and you're not doing it
[01:52] <liquidsnakex2> i really need to get rid of this win xp
[01:52] <liquidsnakex2> thanks
[01:53] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: i would also try some other live CD's since you are new to linux
[01:53] <liquidsnakex2> and i have used the hardware testing program in ubuntu 11.04
[01:53] <liquidsnakex2> like xubuntu and lubuntu ?
[01:53] <holstein> i usually try the last ubuntu LTS (long term support) 10.04
[01:53] <liquidsnakex2> but i really like this ubuntu 11.04 it's really really fast and perfect
[01:53] <holstein> and knoppix too... they have great driver support live, and you can learn from it sometimes
[01:54] <liquidsnakex2> i can even control peripherals and devices
[01:54] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: right, im suggesting you could learn about how to get 11.04 working
[01:54] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[01:54] <holstein> from another live CD
[01:54] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: open a terminal
[01:54] <liquidsnakex2> i think i had a bitdefender knoppix cd ...
[01:54] <holstein> and type
[01:54] <holstein> lspci
[01:55] <holstein> and paste that into where philipballew said... pastebin
[01:55] <liquidsnakex2> yes thanks just give me a moment so the cd wakes up
[01:57] <liquidsnakex2> can't access the dash holstein
[01:58] <liquidsnakex2> what should i do i'm pressing the meta key
[01:58] <holstein> not sure
[01:58] <holstein> what do you mean by 'dash' ?
[01:58] <holstein> there are other ways to get to a terminal
[01:58] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: are you chatting from that machine?
[01:58] <liquidsnakex2> yea ...
[01:58] <holstein> ok...
[01:59] <liquidsnakex2> the other desktop is my father's he will get mad you know ...
[01:59] <holstein> try and find the application 'terminal'
[01:59] <philipballew> in 11.04 click the ubuntu logo in the uper left hand cornel and when the search bar appears type terminal
[01:59] <philipballew> *corner
[02:00] <liquidsnakex2> yea i am looking but there is no search bar
[02:00] <liquidsnakex2> perhaps bcause i am running the live cd feature ?
[02:00] <liquidsnakex2> sorry my mistake found it
[02:01] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot holstein
[02:02] <liquidsnakex2> i did and pasted in pastebin
[02:02] <liquidsnakex2> please what else should i do
[02:02] <bazhang> give the url
[02:03] <philipballew> then we can see what hardware you have
[02:03] <liquidsnakex2> right away
[02:03] <liquidsnakex2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/665384/
[02:03] <philipballew> lspci shows information about all hardware connected via pci in your system
[02:03] <liquidsnakex2> is this correct ?
[02:03] <philipballew> perfect
[02:03] <liquidsnakex2> yes i understood it's like system info in win
[02:03] <liquidsnakex2> thanks people for your assistance
[02:04] <philipballew> its what were here for :)
[02:04] <liquidsnakex2> thanks philipballew
[02:04] <philipballew> ubuntu is all about helping out other users
[02:04] <liquidsnakex2> ubuntu for humans
[02:04] <liquidsnakex2> bill for dollars
[02:04] <liquidsnakex2> lol
[02:05] <philipballew> liquidsnakex2, in the livd cd are you connected to the internet wirelessly?
[02:05] <liquidsnakex2> no thru wired
[02:05] <liquidsnakex2> the wireless button is off
[02:05] <liquidsnakex2> should i turn it on ?
[02:06] <philipballew> holstein, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[02:07] <philipballew> turn it on. youll see your wireless work
[02:07] <philipballew> i assume your on a wired connection then?
[02:07] <liquidsnakex2> yes yes
[02:07] <liquidsnakex2> dlink router
[02:07] <philipballew> nice!
[02:08] <holstein> nice philipballew :)
[02:08] <liquidsnakex2> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/665389/
[02:08] <liquidsnakex2> thanks
[02:08] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: you're good to go then :)
[02:08] <liquidsnakex2> thanks holstein
[02:09] <philipballew> INSTALL AWAY!!!
[02:09] <liquidsnakex2> do you see any problems that may occur ?
[02:10] <liquidsnakex2> any worries or uncertainty please tell me
[02:10] <liquidsnakex2> thanks !
[02:10] <liquidsnakex2> well final thing and thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks alot for your help nd assistance, if i wanted to go back to win xp is it just like install, format and setup win ?
[02:11] <philipballew> yeah. you'd reinstall windows like you installed linux.
[02:11] <holstein> you have your XP discs?
[02:11] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: ^
[02:11] <liquidsnakex2> sorry holstein i know lame and stupid but just asking that's all i know thaaaaaaaanks alot man
[02:12] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot philipballew
[02:12] <philipballew> its all good dude
[02:12] <holstein> yeah, no worries
[02:12] <liquidsnakex2> thanks people, really thanks, now i see that microsoft really sucks
[02:12] <liquidsnakex2> lol
[02:12] <holstein> i just dont want you to be freaked out in case you dont have install discs for XP
[02:12] <philipballew> haha. what are you talking about. internet explorer man!!!!
[02:12] <philipballew> its awesome!
[02:12] <philipballew> haha
[02:12] <liquidsnakex2> hell no !
[02:12] <liquidsnakex2> firefox or chrome !
[02:12] <philipballew> seriously!
[02:13] <liquidsnakex2> IE like i sleep next to it so the page loads and dowloads quickly without crashing or stop responding
[02:13] <liquidsnakex2> holstein i am sorry man but it's like 4 am here i don't follow you
[02:14] <philipballew> 7 here is california
[02:14] <liquidsnakex2> would you please rephrase
[02:14] <liquidsnakex2> 4 in egypt :D
[02:14] <philipballew> hows the install goin?
[02:15] <holstein> if you want to return to XP after you install linux (ubuntu or otherwise, or any other operating system for that matter where you wipe the drive) you'll need the XP installation discs
[02:15] <liquidsnakex2> yea yea of course have them
[02:15] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: you'd be surprised...
[02:15] <liquidsnakex2> philipballew i will just sleep for 2 hours then wake up and install ubuntu right away !
[02:16] <liquidsnakex2> tell me tell me
[02:16] <liquidsnakex2> how !
[02:16] <philipballew> alright. the install should take 30 minutes or so
[02:16] <philipballew> maybe a little more
[02:16] <liquidsnakex2> no problems man earlier i used to sleep and let windows finish lol ...
[02:17] <philipballew> whatever works for you.
[02:17] <liquidsnakex2> thanks man thanks alot
[02:17] <liquidsnakex2> holstein: how i would be surprised
[02:17] <liquidsnakex2> tell me
[02:17] <liquidsnakex2> & thanks !
[02:18] <philipballew> some people dont have the disks
[02:18] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: how many people expect an 'undo' button or soemthing
[02:18] <holstein> 'i want windows back... what do i do?'
[02:18] <holstein> that kind of thing... not that theres anything wrong with that... but you need the discs
[02:18] <liquidsnakex2> lol yea no actually i took that MCDST course but didn't take the exam for financial problems :/ ...
[02:19] <liquidsnakex2> sure holstein of course
[02:19] <liquidsnakex2> so i understand i should have the source and so ...
[02:19] <liquidsnakex2> so no need for drivers no need for anything just click install !
[02:20] <liquidsnakex2> well thank you alot holstein & philipballew very very very very very much for your support help and effort time and assistance
[02:20] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: things *should* run much like they are running live
[02:20] <holstein> hardware support should be the same
[02:20] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[02:21] <philipballew> anytime! it is a pleasure. if there is any other problems were still gonna be here
[02:21] <liquidsnakex2> why i can't access the dash ? bcause im running the live cd ?
[02:21] <holstein> i say get in there and kick the tires, break things, ask questions... then you can always reinstall
[02:21] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: im not sure what you are calling 'dash'
[02:21] <liquidsnakex2> yea best way trial and error
[02:21] <holstein> is that something in unity?
[02:21] <philipballew> dont just use it for a day and give up
[02:21] <holstein> like... dashboard?
[02:21] <bazhang> the dock he means
[02:21] <bazhang> dash is the correct term
[02:21] <philipballew> probably ^
[02:22] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: i would install, then, run updates
[02:22] <holstein> and see if the dash is acting as expected
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> yea the dash
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> sure
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot people
[02:22] <holstein> if not, we can troubleshoot from there
[02:22] <bazhang> or use unity-2d
[02:22] <philipballew> the update manager should open up if not search for update manager
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> sure man thanks alot no more lame questions anymore
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> i see
[02:22] <liquidsnakex2> i install ubuntu 11.04 run update
[02:22] <bazhang> there are no lame questions
[02:23] <bazhang> everyone starts at zero
[02:23] <liquidsnakex2> yea thanks bazhang
[02:23] <liquidsnakex2> i have been a victim of this win thing
[02:23] <liquidsnakex2> hate it really hate it
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> thanks philipballew,holstein,bazhang
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> thanks alot for your help people really appreciate it
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> i will close now so the laptop cools down and start ubuntu 11.04 !
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> i will be here after i install it !
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> bye and take care !
[02:24] <liquidsnakex2> thanks again !
[02:25] <holstein> liquidsnakex2: o/
[02:25] <liquidsnakex2> thanks !
[02:33] <philipballew> that guy was nice
[05:32] <seth_> Hey guys.  I need some help getting the sensors on my MacBook Pro 5,5 to work.
[05:32] <seth_> Just installed Ubuntu on a partition in order to dual boot.
[05:32] <seth_> But I can't seem to find any useful instructions on how to get my sensors running.
[05:33] <philipballew> sensors for what?
[05:33] <philipballew> !mac
[05:33] <ubot2> For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[05:35] <seth_> I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem my fans are working.
[05:35] <seth_> Is there a way I can check?  Some kind of application?
[05:36] <philipballew> yeah, Ive seen that. let me check
[05:36] <philipballew> are you ppc ,ac?
[05:36] <philipballew> mac?
[05:37] <philipballew> ppc?
[05:42] <seth_> Mac, Intel.
[05:44] <philipballew> i see. well lets first see if the fan is running
[05:46] <seth_> And how will we go about that?
[05:46] <Axlin|MB> seth_: in terminal: (1) sudo apt-get install lm-sensors libsensors4       (2) sudo sensors-detect      (3) sensors
[05:46] <Axlin|MB> Look for the line that says "Exhaust"
[05:46] <philipballew> ^ beat me to it
[05:46] <Axlin|MB> hehe. I have a MacBook myself and had the same question before
[05:50] <Axlin|MB> Personally, I've found that my CPU fan tends to run at about 1700 RPM in Linux, vs. roughly 3000 RPM in OS X (on average), and yet my CPU runs about 10C cooler in Linux than in OS X. The reason? OS X *hogs* the CPU, mostly thanks to its Spotlight indexer, mdsworker
[05:51] <Axlin|MB> Every time I use OS X, the CPU is constantly running at 30-100%. Probably because mdsworker is stuck on indexing a corrupt file, but eh. I don't care enough to bother with it :-P
[05:52] <seth_> Thanks for helping me out.
[05:52] <seth_> I think coretemp is the only thing I need.
[05:52] <seth_> And I already added that to /etc/modules
[05:52] <seth_> So I guess I'm in good shape.
[05:53] <seth_> My MacBook usually runs pretty warm so I guess its no cause for concern.
[05:53] <seth_> Did you ever get Airport to work?
[05:53] <seth_> The online docs say it should work out of the box with Natty.
[05:53] <seth_> But it doesn't seem to for me.
[05:54] <Axlin|MB> Well, I have a Macbook (non-pro) 1,1. It's always worked "out-of-box"
[05:55] <Axlin|MB> But that's quite different from a MBP 5,5
[05:56] <seth_> Yeah.
[05:56] <seth_> I think there's a proprietary driver for it, but I can't seem to get it to install.
[05:57] <seth_> Okay, so I have activate the proprietary driver, but it says it's not in use.
[05:57] <philipballew> its not in use because you need to activate it i beleive :)
[05:57] <philipballew> it will download and install it. then you restart your laptop
[05:57] <seth_> I see.
[05:58] <philipballew> they dont ship propitiatory stuff with the install cd
[05:58] <seth_> I guess I'll restart, then.  I bet I can get it to work.  Ubuntu seems to be pretty friendly with my MBP.  Thanks for all your help!
[05:58] <seth_> I'll be sure to hope back in here if I need anymore.
[05:58] <Axlin|MB> seth_: here's a thread you can look at for your model. I wish I could help you further, but I don't have personal experience with MBP 5,5's. http://forum.notebookreview.com/linux-compatibility-software/418403-linux-apple-macbook-pro-5-5-summer-2009-a.html
[07:50] <freads> hello
[07:50] <philipballew> hey freads
[11:09] <Charmander> hello
[11:20] <liquidsnakex> hi people
[11:20] <liquidsnakex> i have a question, i am about to install ubuntu 11.04
[11:20] <liquidsnakex> should i format all the hard drive or i can leave other partitions as NTFS or FAT 32
[11:20] <liquidsnakex>  ?
[11:22] <Sidewinder1> This "how-to" should explain everything: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php
[11:25] <nlsthzn_work> liquidsnakex: also, once you install you get the oppertunity to set up partitions and format them to the required file systems... you don't need to do it before hand :)
[11:25] <liquidsnakex> thanks Sidewinder i can't find any answer to my question
[11:26] <liquidsnakex> thanks nlsthzn_work, i just have 2 partitions, C & D, i will format C: and remove the windows and install Ubuntu 11.04 should i format D: as well and any other storage device i have like flash drives and external HDD's ?
[11:27] <nlsthzn_work> liquidsnakex: you don't need to ...
[11:27] <liquidsnakex> i see
[11:27] <nlsthzn_work> it all depends on what you want to do with them :)
[11:27] <liquidsnakex> Ubuntu 11.04 supports FAT 32 & NTFS ?
[11:27] <liquidsnakex> nothing just storage nothing more
[11:27] <nlsthzn_work> liquidsnakex: yup
[11:27] <nlsthzn_work> Ubuntu playes nice with most file systems :)
[11:28] <liquidsnakex> i see thanks nlsthzn_work
[11:28] <nlsthzn_work> np, enjoy your new install :D
[11:28] <liquidsnakex> nlsthzn_work thanks alot man
[11:28] <liquidsnakex> where can i find a documentation of the supported file systems as well as the Ubuntu 11.04 file systems ?
[11:29] <liquidsnakex> yea nlsthzn_work i am suffering with this windows
[11:29] <liquidsnakex> why are you laughing man " :D " i feel like i will be trapped or so
[11:29] <liquidsnakex> lol
[11:30] <nlsthzn_work> :)
[11:30] <nlsthzn_work> The defualt file system for Ubuntu is ext4 btw...
[11:31] <liquidsnakex> yea i see
[11:31] <nlsthzn_work> I always choose that and I have not had any issues with it... (just in case you choose to manually partition your harddrive during the install)
[11:31] <Sidewinder1> liquidsnakex, For more info on all of the various file systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system
[11:31] <liquidsnakex> thaaaaaaaaaanks Sidewinder1
[11:32] <Sidewinder1> I'm still using ext3 on Lucid. :-)
[11:32] <nlsthzn_work> Nothing wrong with ext3 etiher :)
[11:32] <nlsthzn_work> *either
[11:33] <liquidsnakex> thanks alot guys
[11:34] <Sidewinder1> NP.
[11:39] <liquidsnakex> i am thankful people i know it's lame and silly q's but really i am tired and my eyes are popped out like drugged people from reading 500 paper manual
[11:39] <liquidsnakex> of ubuntu and linux and knoppix based os's
[11:39] <liquidsnakex> and thought to ask and
[11:40] <liquidsnakex> so thanks
[11:40] <liquidsnakex> people
[11:40] <liquidsnakex> so when i will install ubuntu 11.04 on C: it will format the parition and change the file system to ext4 by default ?
[11:41] <geirha> If you're talking about installing with wubi, then no.
[11:42] <geirha> It'll create a file to use as a virtual harddisk, and partition and format that file with ext4
[11:42] <liquidsnakex> no geirha a pure clean install from the cd
[11:42] <liquidsnakex> booting from the cd - > choose install Ubuntu 11.04
[11:42] <liquidsnakex> thanks geirha
[11:42] <geirha> Then you can tell the installer to either wipe your windows partition and place an ext4 in its place,
[11:43] <geirha> or you can tell it to shrink the windows partition, and create an ext4 for ubuntu next to it.
[11:43] <nlsthzn_work> liquidsnakex: the default install will make ext4
[11:43] <liquidsnakex> thanks thanks geirha and nlsthzn work
[11:43] <nlsthzn_work> if you tell it to use the whole drive and wipe windows...
[11:43] <liquidsnakex> i get it now
[11:43] <liquidsnakex> yea i will do that man AND GET RID OF WINDOWS ONCE AND FOR ALL
[11:44] <geirha> Make sure you remember to copy out all the files you can't afford to lose first ;)
[11:45] <liquidsnakex> yea geirha i copied all what i want from C:
[11:45] <liquidsnakex> documents , files, etc
[11:46] <liquidsnakex> so i don't have to format flash drives and any other external storage devices to ext4 , just the C: partition so ubuntu 11.04 can boot , am i right ?
[11:47] <geirha> Correct, Ubuntu can read and write to NTFS and FAT filesystem, it just can't live inside one.
[11:48] <geirha> Though the support for NTFS is slightly limited. It can't fix errors on an NTFS filesystem, for that you need Windows.
[11:48]  * nlsthzn_work sees that liquidsnakex is hesitant to believe :p
[11:55] <liquidsnakex> no no no man my mom is shouting
[11:55] <liquidsnakex> that's all
[11:55] <liquidsnakex> lol
[11:56] <liquidsnakex> be right back folks
[12:21] <liquidsnakex> yes i am back
[12:22] <liquidsnakex> everyone is here or zZzZzZz
[12:22] <nlsthzn_work> Already installed liquidsnakex?
[12:23] <liquidsnakex> nope sorry i was having lunch ...
[12:23] <liquidsnakex> i am stuck in this thing, because i have 3 flash drives, 2 old IDE hard drives
[12:24] <liquidsnakex> i have an old IDE Western digital 40 giga and a maxtor 80 giga ...
[12:25] <nlsthzn_work> Stuck in what thing?
[12:25] <liquidsnakex> i have old hard drives that i want to connect to the laptop later when i use ubuntu 11.04
[12:26] <nlsthzn_work> And you will be able to ... no problem...
[12:27] <nlsthzn_work> I share all of my externals and USB's etc. between my notebook (Ubuntu) and desktop (windows)...
[12:28] <nlsthzn_work> Windows is the limitng factor not playing well with other file systems... Linux welcomes them :)
[12:30] <liquidsnakex> nice nice thanks alot nlsthzn_work
[12:31] <nlsthzn_work> Good luck liquidsnakex ...
[12:31] <liquidsnakex> just one final thing nlsthzn_work
[12:32] <liquidsnakex> and thanks alot for your help
[12:32] <liquidsnakex> if i want to install windows xp God forbid, all i need to do is just put the windows disc format C: and then install the windows right ?
[12:32] <liquidsnakex> no additional thing required to remove ubuntu 11.04 ?
[12:33] <nlsthzn_work> Sure... if you are very unsure... you can duel boot... and keep Windows and also have Ubuntu...
[12:33] <liquidsnakex> well that will eat the hard drive
[12:33] <liquidsnakex> it's just 57 GB after file system eats it's share
[12:35] <nlsthzn_work> well, that is up to you... a typical Ubuntu install is only a few gig's in size... it all depends on how and what you plan to do... but reverting back isn't hard... pop in the XP disk and isntall...
[12:36] <liquidsnakex> i see
[12:38] <liquidsnakex> nlsthzn_work when i tested my laptop
[12:38] <liquidsnakex> the testing hardware wizard , asked me to test my internal microphone
[12:38] <liquidsnakex> and i don't have one
[13:42] <geirha> liquidsnakex: Well, just skip that microphone test then.
[13:44] <geirha> In general, the problematic hardware is graphics card, webcam and wireless.
[14:05] <tdn> I just got an extra monitor. How do I enable it? I can only get one of the montors to work.
[14:05] <tdn> Both are connected though.
[14:05] <liquidsnakex> detect the monitors tdn
[14:05] <tdn> liquidsnakex, how?
[14:05] <liquidsnakex> make the ubuntu 11.04 identify them by the administration
[14:05] <liquidsnakex> well wait
[14:05] <tdn> liquidsnakex, I can see all three monitors in nvidia-settings.
[14:05] <tdn> liquidsnakex, the one is the internal laptop monitor though.
[14:06] <tdn> I want the two external monitors working.
[14:06] <tdn> One is on DVI the other is on VGA.
[14:06] <liquidsnakex> i see
[14:06] <liquidsnakex> they are externals ?
[14:06] <tdn> liquidsnakex, yes.
[14:06] <liquidsnakex> are you working on laptop or desktop
[14:06] <tdn> liquidsnakex, laptop in a dock.
[14:06] <tdn> liquidsnakex, thinkpad t61p.
[14:07] <tdn> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G84M [Quadro FX 570M] (rev a1)
[14:07] <liquidsnakex> http://tophuman.blogspot.com/2011/05/fixing-ubuntu-1104-multi-monitor.html
[14:07] <liquidsnakex> check this please
[14:07] <tdn> I will
[14:07] <tdn> I use Kubuntu though. Is that a problem?
[14:08] <liquidsnakex> it should be the same idea you know with different names or so
[14:08] <liquidsnakex> i mean you should look for monitor preferences in it too and so
[14:08] <tdn> liquidsnakex, I did.
[14:08] <liquidsnakex> and ?
[14:08] <tdn> liquidsnakex, I have found them all three in nvidia-settings.
[14:08] <tdn> liquidsnakex, but I do not know how to enable them all.
[14:08] <tdn> 2 sec.
[14:09] <liquidsnakex> take your time man
[14:09] <liquidsnakex> be right back too .
[14:09] <tdn> • MetaMode 1 of Screen 0 has more than two active display devices.
[14:10] <tdn> This is what nvidia-settings says in "current layout has some inconsistencies" dialog.
[14:10] <tdn> OK. So now I have this:
[14:11] <tdn> Laptop monitor and VGA monitor is connected. DVI monitor is black.
[14:11] <tdn> I want to have VGA and DVI monitors working and laptop monitor black.
[14:11] <tdn> http://i.imgur.com/ctq5p.png
[14:14] <tdn> Well. I think it works now! :D
[14:14] <tdn> I would like to automate this process though.
[14:14] <tdn> So that I can do this from a shellscript or shortcut key.
[14:14] <tdn> Or just make the change permanent somehow.
[14:15] <tdn> But only when the laptop is docked of course.
[14:18] <liquidsnakex> lol good
[14:18] <liquidsnakex> just try to try different settings there tdn
[14:18] <liquidsnakex> and i think it will work
[14:18] <liquidsnakex> now i have to go excuse me folks ! see you later !
[14:33] <tdn> Ok. Thanks.
[15:03] <scott__> can someone help me w/ networking  problem?
[15:04] <holstein> scott__: we can try? whats up? wifi not working? fresh install?
[15:05] <scott__> no. have home network. linux wont connect to windows systems
[15:05] <holstein> scott__: can you ping them?
[15:05] <holstein> what are you trying to connect with? samba?
[15:05] <scott__> i dont understand?
[15:06] <holstein> scott__: when dealing with network connectivity, i make sure the machines can ping each other
[15:07] <holstein> i make a note of all the IP addresses... in windows, ipconfig, and in linux, ifconfig... those tell you IP addys and other info
[15:07] <scott__> win 7 has built in folder option to see other computers on the network. trying to do the same using ubuntu natty
[15:07] <holstein> scott__: with samba?
[15:07] <holstein> there are other options, depending on what your goal is... such as ftp, or ssh
[15:08] <scott__> holstein: sry but i m new @ this. idk what samba is.
[15:08] <holstein> scott__: let me get something for you to look over...
[15:08] <scott__> k
[15:09] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba
[15:09] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ComprehensiveSambaGuide
[15:09] <holstein> scott__: let me know if you have any specific questions
[15:09] <holstein> i mean, you *can* do whatever you need to do, you'll just need to decide what that is, and how you want to do it
[15:09] <scott__> holstein: i have external drive hooked up to win 7 system.  i m trying to access that external drive.
[15:10] <holstein> if you say 'windows is not talking to linux', there is nothing in place to facilitate that, so thats to be expected
[15:11] <holstein> but, you can start an ftp server on windows, and share the external drive... you can do a samba share.. you can use something like dropbox... all kinds of options really
[15:12] <scott__> holstein: for example i have movies on my external drive (thats hooked to win  7 system).  I cant access win 7 system to access my movies
[15:12] <scott__> external drive is already set to be shared
[15:12] <holstein> scott__: right... and thats not a bug, or an issue... you have to implement a system to share that to the linux system
[15:13] <holstein> scott__: sure, its set to be shared to another windows box
[15:13] <holstein> you'll need to ask linux to do that with samba
[15:14] <scott__> how do i get samba? is it repo pkg? or do i goto web link?
[15:14] <holstein> scott__: i would give a read to those links, and feel free and ask if you need more explanation
[15:15] <holstein> theres a 'configuring samba' section at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ComprehensiveSambaGuide
[15:18] <holstein> scott__: also, im not sure what version of ubuntu you are using, but in the menu in 10.04, theres 'system - network' ...i have seen windows shares just show up there automagically
[15:18] <holstein> scott__: sorry, its not under the 'system' menu
[15:18] <holstein> its under 'places'
[15:18] <holstein> 'places - network'
[16:40] <g3rdi> hi - everytime i minimize a window it disappears .. cant fint it on any of the panels 11.04
[17:45] <venu> hi
[17:47] <venu> i just now installed ubuntu and connected to internet via wifi but when i try to update packages it is showing error----can some one help me on this
[17:48] <KM0201> well.. whats the error?
[17:48] <KM0201> venu: repeating your question w/o giving basic data, means nothing... there's a million errors you could be getting, what is the error.
[17:50] <venu> when i type sudo apt-get update this in terminal it will show "Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/multiverse/source/Sources  404 Not Found" eorror like this
[18:00] <venu> KM0201: if i tried from GUI also it is giving same error
[18:02] <KM0201> venu: it's quite possible that repository has been closed, Jaunty is EOL.. how long have you had ubuntu installed?
[20:01] <Liquidsnakex> hey holstein !
[20:01] <holstein> o/ :)
[20:01] <holstein> you get installed?
[20:02] <Liquidsnakex> well the dvd rom is not working properly :@ ...
[20:03] <holstein> eh.. thats not a bad problem to have
[20:03] <Liquidsnakex> it's making some scratch sound i will buy an external unit, my laptop cannot boot from a USB drive either
[20:03] <holstein> cd drives are cheap, and free if you're looking in the right trash can :)
[20:03] <Liquidsnakex> i really hate old devices ....
[20:03] <Liquidsnakex> yea well here where i live it's pretty difficult to find an internal laptop dvdrom IDE one too ...
[20:03] <holstein> Liquidsnakex: you could try plop
[20:04] <holstein> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
[20:04] <Liquidsnakex> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#intro
[20:04] <Liquidsnakex> yea yea i got it thanks reading it
[20:04] <holstein> allows you to boot USB devices from CD (which maybe you can get to work well enough for this)...
[20:06] <Liquidsnakex> i see
[20:06] <Liquidsnakex> wel i have a 4gb flash drive i think it will get the job done
[20:07] <holstein> the iso's are CD sized
[20:07] <holstein> ok... gotta run...
[20:07] <Liquidsnakex> take care !
[20:26] <bkerensa> =o