[00:26] hey, anyone have a good way to explain FOSS to a luddite? [00:29] dscassel: cassel, if you can come up with a good way to do so, i'll praise you as a god. just give me some examples of what you've done. [00:37] What sort of luddite? [00:38] Knowing your audience is important. [00:38] sorry, technologically illiterate [00:38] If they're left-leaning and anti-corporate, I'd probably launch into a spiel about the four freedoms. [00:38] If they're a talk-radio-listening conservative, it gets a bit harder. [00:38] and you have a winner on the first one [00:39] going into university for environmental law/politics, forget which. [00:39] politics, nvm [00:39] enviro politics* [00:40] Great! Free software (and stick to free software) allows you to put your work out there for others to use, learn from or adapt to their needs. [00:41] As a user, it means nobody can ever take some program you've come to rely on away from you. Even if a company goes away or kills the product, someone else can come along and build on their work, so you can keep using it. [00:41] It relies on a community of people working together to make the sort of software *they* want to use, not just what will sell. [00:42] i'm just gonna use that verbatim, seems much easier than rephrasing. [00:44] Good luck. :) [00:45] so, exactly which pitch shall i instruct the choir to sing today? [00:45] for your praises. [00:45] Get them to drop by my wiki page and give a testimonial and I'll be happy. :) [00:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel [00:46] ...i dunno what to say, though. [00:47] "He's helpful on IRC" is a good start. DOesn't have to be much. [00:47] now to create a login. [00:47] Thanks. :) [00:52] oh, planning on finally setting ubuntu up on an external hard drive, containing my music in an NTFS partition. how can i keep my music safe (don't have enough storage space lying around to just ctrl+c ctrl+v) while reformatting? [01:00] Ick. Um, making a backup is a good idea. Maybe on store it temporarily on Amazon s3. Cheap, but it'll take a few days to upload. [01:00] (Bandwith caps aside... :/ ) [01:01] If you don't mind only a slight chance of losing everything, though, using GParted to resize the NTFS partitiion doesn't *usually* cause problems. [01:02] And the Ubuntu installer will do it automatically. [01:02] and, Ubuntu runs perfectly fine with NTFS? [01:02] I really like having a backup though. [01:02] Well, no, you'd resize the NTFS partition so you have room for Ubuntu partitions. [01:03] Oh! You can use Wubi. [01:03] No repartitioning necessary. Just run the Windows installer on the Ubuntu CD. [01:03] It'll create a virtual disk file in your Windows partition and you can boot into that. [01:04] Not exactly ideal if you want to do much more than trying things out, but you can always copy stuff over if you eventually get a drive specifially for Ubuntu (or decide to risk partitioning. [01:05] oooooog. was bout to ask what it really meant. [01:05] oooooooh* [01:11] well, it's commited [01:12] Cool, thanks. :D [01:16] yo no hablas wiki-syntax. [01:17] Doesn't help that moin moin wiki syntax is different enough from mediawiki to be confusing if you have to switch between the two. :P [01:21] yeah, no tilde-comments. =( [02:18] looking for new ISP, anyone have suggestions? [02:20] this is in toronto, so, no shaw. [02:26] I have an idea for what will become an IRC meme, if done. [02:26] it involves creating many, many bots, to emulate a cattle herd going through. Each bot will be named cow#, going sequentially, with a rancher named Pablo keeping them in check. [02:26] they will join various channels across various servers, and proceed to act as a herd of cows and a rancher would. They would then leave, and travel to the next, never stopping, never ending. [02:26] WHO'S WITH ME? [02:29] such overwhelming response [02:59] Techsavvy. [03:00] * dscassel is packing for a Montreal trip in a week... [03:01] have fun, friend of mine's there already. [03:01] Make pablo an eliza-style bot who replies only in broken Spanish and I think you have a winner on your hands. [03:01] and i figured as much [03:02] The cows, of course, reply only with "Moo." [03:02] the cows just go /me moo, not even moo [03:03] and you grasped pablo's essence right there. all we have to do is figure out how to make them all pick the same server/channel combo, and we're good. [03:16] we may have offended the taco. [12:04] Hiyas all [20:09] howdy [20:09] :) [20:48] hey all anyone here running gnome3.0 yet from the ppa? [22:21] oh, if i want to use xfce instead of gnome, how would i go about doing that? [23:24] khoover: easy :) [23:24] I *just* made the switch, I use xfce with debian, on my laptop [23:24] but my desktop OS is ubuntu 11.04 [23:25] khoover: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [23:25] :] [23:25] sorry [23:25] xubuntu-desktop [23:25] then - when you're logging in, make sure you set the session to "Xubuntu" '] [23:25] any way to drop just the gnome desktop after, w/o losing the tookit? [23:26] toolkit* [23:26] you mean remove the gnome libraries? [23:27] eh...sure. i'm probably thinking of gnome as an app is the problem. [23:28] I wouldn't bother removing it [23:28] unless you are really low on space [23:28] probably a bunch of the stuff you have installed needs them [23:32] ah, bugger.