[00:26] <khoover> hey, anyone have a good way to explain FOSS to a luddite?
[00:29] <khoover> dscassel: cassel, if you can come up with a good way to do so, i'll praise you as a god. just give me some examples of what you've done.
[00:37] <dscassel> What sort of luddite?
[00:38] <dscassel> Knowing your audience is important.
[00:38] <khoover> sorry, technologically illiterate
[00:38] <dscassel> If they're left-leaning and anti-corporate, I'd probably launch into a spiel about the four freedoms.
[00:38] <dscassel> If they're a talk-radio-listening conservative, it gets a bit harder.
[00:38] <khoover> and you have a winner on the first one
[00:39] <khoover> going into university for environmental law/politics, forget which.
[00:39] <khoover> politics, nvm
[00:39] <khoover> enviro politics*
[00:40] <dscassel> Great! Free software (and stick to free software) allows you to put your work out there for others to use, learn from or adapt to their needs.
[00:41] <dscassel> As a user, it means nobody can ever take some program you've come to rely on away from you. Even if a company goes away or kills the product, someone else can come along and build on their work, so you can keep using it.
[00:41] <dscassel> It relies on a community of people working together to make the sort of software *they* want to use, not just what will sell.
[00:42] <khoover> i'm just gonna use that verbatim, seems much easier than rephrasing.
[00:44] <dscassel> Good luck. :)
[00:45] <khoover> so, exactly which pitch shall i instruct the choir to sing today?
[00:45] <khoover> for your praises.
[00:45] <dscassel> Get them to drop by my wiki page and give a testimonial and I'll be happy. :)
[00:45] <dscassel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/dscassel
[00:46] <khoover> ...i dunno what to say, though.
[00:47] <dscassel> "He's helpful on IRC" is a good start.  DOesn't have to be much.
[00:47] <khoover> now to create a login.
[00:47] <dscassel> Thanks. :)
[00:52] <khoover> oh, planning on finally setting ubuntu up on an external hard drive, containing my music in an NTFS partition. how can i keep my music safe (don't have enough storage space lying around to just ctrl+c ctrl+v) while reformatting?
[01:00] <dscassel> Ick.  Um, making a backup is a good idea.  Maybe on store it temporarily on Amazon s3. Cheap, but it'll take a few days to upload.
[01:00] <dscassel> (Bandwith caps aside... :/ )
[01:01] <dscassel> If you don't mind only a slight chance of losing everything, though, using GParted to resize the NTFS partitiion doesn't *usually* cause problems.
[01:02] <dscassel> And the Ubuntu installer will do it automatically.
[01:02] <khoover> and, Ubuntu runs perfectly fine with NTFS?
[01:02] <dscassel> I really like having a backup though.
[01:02] <dscassel> Well, no, you'd resize the NTFS partition so you have room for Ubuntu partitions.
[01:03] <dscassel> Oh! You can use Wubi.
[01:03] <dscassel> No repartitioning necessary.  Just run the Windows installer on the Ubuntu CD.
[01:03] <dscassel> It'll create a virtual disk file in your Windows partition and you can boot into that.
[01:04] <dscassel> Not exactly ideal if you want to do much more than trying things out, but you can always copy stuff over if you eventually get a drive specifially for Ubuntu (or decide to risk partitioning.
[01:05] <khoover> oooooog. was bout to ask what it really meant.
[01:05] <khoover> oooooooh*
[01:11] <khoover> well, it's commited
[01:12] <dscassel> Cool, thanks. :D
[01:16] <khoover> yo no hablas wiki-syntax.
[01:17] <dscassel> Doesn't help that moin moin wiki syntax is different enough from mediawiki to be confusing if you have to switch between the two. :P
[01:21] <khoover> yeah, no tilde-comments. =(
[02:18] <khoover> looking for new ISP, anyone have suggestions?
[02:20] <khoover> this is in toronto, so, no shaw.
[02:26] <khoover> I have an idea for what will become an IRC meme, if done.
[02:26] <khoover> it involves creating many, many bots, to emulate a cattle herd going through. Each bot will be named cow#, going sequentially, with a rancher named Pablo keeping them in check.
[02:26] <khoover> they will join various channels across various servers, and proceed to act as a herd of cows and a rancher would. They would then leave, and travel to the next, never stopping, never ending.
[02:26] <khoover> WHO'S WITH ME?
[02:29] <khoover> such overwhelming response
[02:59] <dscassel> Techsavvy.
[03:00]  * dscassel is packing for a Montreal trip in a week...
[03:01] <khoover> have fun, friend of mine's there already.
[03:01] <dscassel> Make pablo an eliza-style bot who replies only in broken Spanish and I think you have a winner on your hands.
[03:01] <khoover> and i figured as much
[03:02] <dscassel> The cows, of course, reply only with "Moo."
[03:02] <khoover> the cows just go /me moo, not even moo
[03:03] <khoover> and you grasped pablo's essence right there. all we have to do is figure out how to make them all pick the same server/channel combo, and we're good.
[03:16] <khoover> we may have offended the taco.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:09] <willwh> howdy
[20:09] <willwh> :)
[20:48] <billybigrigger> hey all anyone here running gnome3.0 yet from the ppa?
[22:21] <khoover> oh, if i want to use xfce instead of gnome, how would i go about doing that?
[23:24] <willwh> khoover: easy :)
[23:24] <willwh> I *just* made the switch, I use xfce with debian, on my laptop
[23:24] <willwh> but my desktop OS is ubuntu 11.04
[23:25] <willwh> khoover: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:25] <willwh> :]
[23:25] <willwh> sorry
[23:25] <willwh> xubuntu-desktop
[23:25] <willwh> then - when you're logging in, make sure you set the session to "Xubuntu" ']
[23:25] <khoover> any way to drop just the gnome desktop after, w/o losing the tookit?
[23:26] <khoover> toolkit*
[23:26] <willwh> you mean remove the gnome libraries?
[23:27] <khoover> eh...sure. i'm probably thinking of gnome as an app is the problem.
[23:28] <willwh> I wouldn't bother removing it
[23:28] <willwh> unless you are really low on space
[23:28] <willwh> probably a bunch of the stuff you have installed needs them
[23:32] <khoover> ah, bugger.