[19:11] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: poke. when are you going to apply for MOTU?
[19:17] <jtaylor> you think I'm ready for that?
[19:17] <jtaylor> I'm just involved a couple of month
[19:21] <tumbleweed> 6 months is the minimum, but you are doing good work and are well involved in the community around here
[19:22] <tumbleweed> s/minimum/stated recommended minimum/
[19:26] <jtaylor> I was planning on applying for dm when I ahve my 6 month, I'll also apply for motu then if you recommend it
[19:27] <micahg> jtaylor: tumbleweed +1, you've definitely have the community involvement and minimum time and good packaging work
[19:28]  * tumbleweed reckons you could go straight for MOTU, although the DMB recommends going via contributing developer
[19:28] <micahg> no need to go for contributing developer unless you feel the need to hone your packaging skills more first
[19:32]  * jtaylor reading application process
[19:36] <directhex> jtaylor, i don't advocate for DM, fwiw. someone's good enough for DD, or not good enough for DM, IMHO.
[19:42] <Laney> no
[19:42] <Laney> well I don't recommend that anyway
[19:42] <Laney> (UCD)
[19:49] <jtaylor> hm ucd seems just like an aknowldgement of my current status
[19:50] <jtaylor> so I could skip that
[19:50] <micahg> jtaylor: it's mainly for people that have been contributing to development, have sustained effort, but aren't there yet with the packaging skills
[19:52] <Laney> not necessarily, it's just a way of getting membership
[19:52] <directhex> micahg, that seems wholly inappropriate in this case
[19:52] <micahg> directhex: agreed
[19:53] <micahg> Laney: ubuntu-dev grants membership as well, if the skills + contribution are there, a person can go for at least PPU
[19:53] <Laney> I know
[19:53] <Laney> people can go for whatever they want though
[19:53] <micahg> I know you know :)
[19:57] <tumbleweed> anyway, jtaylor has the packaging skills, deserves membership, and can probably get good endorsements from a few people in this conversation :)
[19:59] <jtaylor> thx for your advice, I'll look into applying next week
[20:04] <sladen> Laney: as it happens ...I picked up a leadlet about bikes on trains in Germany.  In the UK Brompton sponsor+publish a very good "bikes on trains" leaflet (which helpful points out that through the myriad of restrictions, Bromptons /are/ allowed on all services in the UK
[20:10] <Laney> sladen: oh, that sounds useful. If only Bromptons were something you'd want to take on a bike tour
[20:11] <Laney> probably 50ish miles per day + carrying camping kit, perhaps not
[20:21] <jtaylor> hm bug 823009 now needs an ffe as it wasn't confirmed before the freeze or?
[20:24] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: it should probably have an FFe request, yes. Which means an explanation for the necessity of the sync
[20:25] <jtaylor> it is a bit problematic
[20:25] <tumbleweed> the version we have, or the one you want to sync to?
[20:25] <jtaylor> the sync will likely introduce an upgrade failure, I spoke with barry about it and he prefers to jsut break it instead of adding a delta
[20:26] <tumbleweed> what do we gain from doing the sync now, and not in p?
[20:26] <tumbleweed> not causing this upgrade failure?
[20:27] <jtaylor> if we only sync in p we have to add a delta for the general users, if we sync now we can just tell the alpha testers how to fix it manually
[20:27] <jtaylor> the delta is a pretty ugly preinst
[20:27] <micahg> jtaylor: why not add the delta and sync again in P?
[20:27] <micahg> oh :(
[20:28] <jtaylor> ne the delta would ahve to be added to the version in debian
[20:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: the reason for the sync sounds valid. I'd prepare the FFe request (I won't be able to grant it, it's in main, but there is no FFe queue atm)
[20:29] <tumbleweed> s/I'd/Go ahead and/
[20:36] <sladen> Laney: very well suited to the task.  I did 20km in an <1 hour to get the ferry earlier this afternoon.  I had camping kit (eg. stove, sleeping bag) aswell as the usual assortment of Debian kits and the like
[20:37] <sladen> Laney: low centre of gravity and a luggage system that doesn't throw the weight of the bike sideways when you go around a corner++
[20:42] <Laney> tumbleweed: we can't do main FFes? I wasn't aware of that.
[20:42] <Laney> I thought everyone did everything.
[20:42] <Laney> sladen: I ought to try one really
[20:44] <tumbleweed> Laney: err I know we're there for universe, I assumed that meant we shouldn't do main
[20:45] <Laney> I just thought we were extra bodies, but maybe we'd pick universe stuff over main if there's a choice
[20:46] <tumbleweed> Laney: fair enough. it's not like there's motu-release any more
[20:53] <Laney> indeed, that's part of the point I think :-)