| Muscovy | Good day, all. | 16:57 |
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| barrydrake | hi | 16:57 |
| Muscovy | I'm going to start the meeting now, as I'm afraid I have little time. | 16:57 |
| MadnessRed | hi | 16:57 |
| barrydrake | ok | 16:57 |
| Muscovy | barrydrake, Crisco MadnessRed MichealH Omega Silasle | 16:58 |
| Muscovy | First, perhaps, the release version of focus. | 16:58 |
| Muscovy | I think we should skip over natty and go straight to oneric, as not to double-do unity sections. | 16:58 |
| Muscovy | Sound reasonable? | 16:59 |
| barrydrake | yes | 16:59 |
| MadnessRed | yh | 16:59 |
| Silasle | Yes | 16:59 |
| Muscovy | Ok. | 16:59 |
| barrydrake | oneiric is looking quite a bit different now from Natty | 16:59 |
| MadnessRed | ok | 17:00 |
| Muscovy | This is a rather free-form meeting, so does anyone have any topics? | 17:00 |
| Muscovy | Questions/concerns/ideas, etc. | 17:00 |
| barrydrake | my first meeting here, so I'm lurking | 17:00 |
| Muscovy | Welcome. :) | 17:00 |
| Muscovy | Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch? | 17:01 |
| Muscovy | ...:O | 17:01 |
| Muscovy | Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch? | 17:01 |
| Muscovy | It's been stable for a long time, from my experience. | 17:01 |
| MadnessRed | yh, | 17:02 |
| MadnessRed | we just need people to convert the tours to the new branch | 17:02 |
| Muscovy | Ok, that can be done. | 17:02 |
| Muscovy | In the next week or so I need to get going on tour completion. | 17:03 |
| MichealH | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
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| MichealH | #chair Muscovy | 17:03 |
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| MichealH | Go ahead | 17:03 |
| Muscovy | We've got lots of tours that are 3/4ths done. | 17:03 |
| Muscovy | Oh thanks, MichealH. | 17:03 |
| MichealH | Anytime | 17:03 |
| MichealH | !hi | everyone | 17:04 |
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| MichealH | ubottu db FTW | 17:04 |
| MichealH | :) | 17:04 |
| Muscovy | Not sure about other editors, but I tend to get lost when I don't know what needs doing, so I'll get a list together soon. | 17:04 |
| Muscovy | For those who haven't seen, MadnessRed has a really cool new thing set up, that lets you click parts of the UI to open pages about that part. | 17:04 |
| Muscovy | Great for explaining Unity and eventually more applications. | 17:05 |
| Muscovy | Oh, and I'll also get back on the PPA again. | 17:06 |
| Muscovy | Sorry again that I've been kinda dead, I've been really busy this year. :P | 17:06 |
| MadnessRed | no problem, I think we all have | 17:06 |
| MadnessRed | ok, just going back to an earlier point, should I change the "Development focus" to "ubuntu-tour developement" | 17:06 |
| MadnessRed | at the moment lp:ubuntu-tour is the old natty branch | 17:07 |
| Muscovy | What I figured was change natty to be oneric, and merge the new things in from development. | 17:09 |
| Muscovy | If I remember correctly, we originally made development because it was unstable. | 17:09 |
| Muscovy | Merging might be tricky. By the look of things people have been editing both branches for content. | 17:10 |
| MadnessRed | Problem is that development and natty are very differnt | 17:10 |
| MadnessRed | development has a different language and tour system | 17:10 |
| Muscovy | Right. | 17:11 |
| Muscovy | Should we make a converting tool or just do it manually? | 17:11 |
| Muscovy | I could adapt them, it doesn't seem too difficult. | 17:12 |
| MadnessRed | What I would suggest is that we work on the development branch, then once a new version is released we branch devevlopement to that codename | 17:12 |
| MadnessRed | eg we work on development now, once oineric is released, we branch development to oineric, the development branch then has code updates and tour updates for p___ and any tour cahnges for oineric can be made in that branch | 17:13 |
| Muscovy | Sure. | 17:16 |
| MadnessRed | kl | 17:18 |
| MadnessRed | how are we doing for authors? | 17:18 |
| MadnessRed | that are still around and contributing? | 17:18 |
| Muscovy | We're low. | 17:18 |
| Muscovy | Once I can get a TODO list, we need to get more members. | 17:18 |
| Muscovy | We've basically had contributors slowly dropping out of the project. | 17:19 |
| MadnessRed | I can sort out another post on OMG!Ubuntu! | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | That'd be great! | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | Let's just wait until we know what needs doing though. | 17:19 |
| MadnessRed | but I think we need to get a few more of the basic tours sorted first | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | Remember the chaos when we first started and everyone was all over the place? :) | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | Yeah. | 17:20 |
| MadnessRed | yh, we need to know what needs doing | 17:20 |
| MadnessRed | probably have empty tours set up | 17:20 |
| Muscovy | I'll also get going on the Unity one, that's really important. | 17:20 |
| Muscovy | Yeah, and have better documentation than last time. | 17:20 |
| Muscovy | So everyone knows how to write, edit and translate. | 17:20 |
| barrydrake | maybe it would be good to treat it like 'bugs' and assign small tasks? | 17:20 |
| MadnessRed | translations are doing through launchpad now | 17:21 |
| MadnessRed | which should make it simpler in that respect | 17:21 |
| MadnessRed | and also means translators aren't presented with any of the source code, which makes it nicer for them | 17:22 |
| Muscovy | barrydrake: certainly, we can use the bugs system like that for "content missing" and "content incomplete" and so on. | 17:22 |
| barrydrake | sounds goo - effort is not duplicated that way | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | Yeah it's also a good way of knowing who's doing what. | 17:23 |
| MadnessRed | we also need to think about the interactiveness | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | You don't want to people with different ideas inadvertently writing two half of one tour. | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | Yeah. | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | things like arrows, and hints | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | the tour writers need to tell the programmers what they want | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | Now that Unity locks positions, the arrow will be a lot easier to use. | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | and we need to make sure the tour writers know how to use the arrows | 17:24 |
| barrydrake | BTW, the instructions for installing ubuntu-tour on the website don't work. I'll have to use bazaar to get the current code, and build it. | 17:25 |
| Muscovy | barrydrake, I'm guessing it says there's not a version for natty? | 17:25 |
| Muscovy | I've not updated it in a while. :P | 17:25 |
| barrydrake | it isn't that helpful. It says the binary is 'missing' | 17:25 |
| Muscovy | Hmm. | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | Well, I'll update it and take a look this evening or tomorrow. | 17:26 |
| MadnessRed | will the ppa install the languages for the developement version | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | The PPA doesn't have that version yet. | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | Development will be for code, (relase codename) for writing, correct? | 17:28 |
| MadnessRed | developement for code and tours for the next release | 17:30 |
| MadnessRed | eg tours for oineric would be done in developement at the moment | 17:30 |
| MadnessRed | then tours for natty in the natty branch | 17:30 |
| MadnessRed | I don't think the code is complete enough in development to move it into a tours only branch | 17:31 |
| Muscovy | Hmm ok. | 17:31 |
| MadnessRed | if we branched oineric now, i think we would spend a lot of time, merging code changes between development and oineric | 17:33 |
| Muscovy | Yeah I agree. | 17:34 |
| barrydrake | currently, the appearance and behaviour of Unity in Oneiric seems to be changing daily ... | 17:34 |
| Muscovy | I just wasn't totally sure what the delineation between branches was. | 17:34 |
| Muscovy | Yep. XD | 17:34 |
| MadnessRed | I think, when the code is complete enough, each release we make the development branch stable, branch it into the codename, and do all the tours there | 17:36 |
| Muscovy | Makes sense. | 17:37 |
| Muscovy | Alright, well I've got to go shortly. | 17:39 |
| MadnessRed | ok, another topic... the website, hardly every works for me | 17:39 |
| Muscovy | As in it's frequently down? | 17:39 |
| Muscovy | That's odd. | 17:39 |
| barrydrake | I haven't seen problems with it - only there is not a lot of informarion up there | 17:40 |
| barrydrake | this is why I'm lurking here, to see what's happening | 17:40 |
| Muscovy | Yeah, the site needs work. | 17:41 |
| Muscovy | MadnessRed, we switched to Omega for hosting a few months ago, for me at least that made the downtime issues go away. | 17:42 |
| MadnessRed | it's hardly ever up for me | 17:42 |
| Muscovy | That's not good. | 17:43 |
| MadnessRed | try accessing it through a uk proxy | 17:45 |
| Muscovy | http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org you're right. :/ | 17:49 |
| TourBot | Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk) | 17:49 |
| Muscovy | If I remember correctly philw was another hosting option at the time. | 17:50 |
| Muscovy | If we can't sort out what's wrong now, I'll talk to him. | 17:50 |
| Muscovy | And now, I'm afraid I'v got to run. | 17:51 |
| Muscovy | Thanks for coming to the mini-meeting everyone, I'll get together a TODO list as soon as I can. | 17:51 |
| Muscovy | !endmeeting | 17:51 |
| TourBot | Factoid 'endmeeting' not found | 17:51 |
| MadnessRed | ok kl, thanks everyone | 17:51 |
| barrydrake | g'night | 17:52 |
| Omega | I missed the meeting :< I'm sorry guys, I just moved here and I was moving to another place | 20:46 |
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