[16:57] <Muscovy> Good day, all.
[16:57] <barrydrake> hi
[16:57] <Muscovy> I'm going to start the meeting now, as I'm afraid I have little time.
[16:57] <MadnessRed> hi
[16:57] <barrydrake> ok
[16:58] <Muscovy> barrydrake, Crisco MadnessRed MichealH Omega Silasle
[16:58] <Muscovy> First, perhaps, the release version of focus.
[16:58] <Muscovy> I think we should skip over natty and go straight to oneric, as not to double-do unity sections.
[16:59] <Muscovy> Sound reasonable?
[16:59] <barrydrake> yes
[16:59] <MadnessRed> yh
[16:59] <Silasle> Yes
[16:59] <Muscovy> Ok.
[16:59] <barrydrake> oneiric is looking quite a bit different now from Natty
[17:00] <MadnessRed> ok
[17:00] <Muscovy> This is a rather free-form meeting, so does anyone have any topics?
[17:00] <Muscovy> Questions/concerns/ideas, etc.
[17:00] <barrydrake> my first meeting here, so I'm lurking
[17:00] <Muscovy> Welcome. :)
[17:01] <Muscovy> Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch?
[17:01] <Muscovy> ...:O
[17:01] <Muscovy> Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch?
[17:01] <Muscovy> It's been stable for a long time, from my experience.
[17:02] <MadnessRed> yh,
[17:02] <MadnessRed> we just need people to convert the tours to the new branch
[17:02] <Muscovy> Ok, that can be done.
[17:03] <Muscovy> In the next week or so I need to get going on tour completion.
[17:03] <MichealH> #startmeeting
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[17:03] <MichealH> #chair Muscovy
[17:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: MichealH Muscovy
[17:03] <MichealH> Go ahead
[17:03] <Muscovy> We've got lots of tours that are 3/4ths done.
[17:03] <Muscovy> Oh thanks, MichealH.
[17:03] <MichealH> Anytime
[17:04] <MichealH> !hi | everyone
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[17:04] <MichealH> ubottu db FTW
[17:04] <MichealH> :)
[17:04] <Muscovy> Not sure about other editors, but I tend to get lost when I don't know what needs doing, so I'll get a list together soon.
[17:04] <Muscovy> For those who haven't seen, MadnessRed has a really cool new thing set up, that lets you click parts of the UI to open pages about that part.
[17:05] <Muscovy> Great for explaining Unity and eventually more applications.
[17:06] <Muscovy> Oh, and I'll also get back on the PPA again.
[17:06] <Muscovy> Sorry again that I've been kinda dead, I've been really busy this year. :P
[17:06] <MadnessRed> no problem, I think we all have
[17:06] <MadnessRed> ok, just going back to an earlier point, should I change the "Development focus" to "ubuntu-tour developement"
[17:07] <MadnessRed> at the moment lp:ubuntu-tour is the old natty branch
[17:09] <Muscovy> What I figured was change natty to be oneric, and merge the new things in from development.
[17:09] <Muscovy> If I remember correctly, we originally made development because it was unstable.
[17:10] <Muscovy> Merging might be tricky. By the look of things people have been editing both branches for content.
[17:10] <MadnessRed> Problem is that development and natty are very differnt
[17:10] <MadnessRed> development has a different language and tour system
[17:11] <Muscovy> Right.
[17:11] <Muscovy> Should we make a converting tool or just do it manually?
[17:12] <Muscovy> I could adapt them, it doesn't seem too difficult.
[17:12] <MadnessRed> What I would suggest is that we work on the development branch, then once a new version is released we branch devevlopement to that codename
[17:13] <MadnessRed> eg we work on development now, once oineric is released, we branch development to oineric, the development branch then has code updates and tour updates for p___ and any tour cahnges for oineric can be made in that branch
[17:16] <Muscovy> Sure.
[17:18] <MadnessRed> kl
[17:18] <MadnessRed> how are we doing for authors?
[17:18] <MadnessRed> that are still around and contributing?
[17:18] <Muscovy> We're low.
[17:18] <Muscovy> Once I can get a TODO list, we need to get more members.
[17:19] <Muscovy> We've basically had contributors slowly dropping out of the project.
[17:19] <MadnessRed> I can sort out another post on OMG!Ubuntu!
[17:19] <Muscovy> That'd be great!
[17:19] <Muscovy> Let's just wait until we know what needs doing though.
[17:19] <MadnessRed> but I think we need to get a few more of the basic tours sorted first
[17:19] <Muscovy> Remember the chaos when we first started and everyone was all over the place? :)
[17:20] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:20] <MadnessRed> yh, we need to know what needs doing
[17:20] <MadnessRed> probably have empty tours set up
[17:20] <Muscovy> I'll also get going on the Unity one, that's really important.
[17:20] <Muscovy> Yeah, and have better documentation than last time.
[17:20] <Muscovy> So everyone knows how to write, edit and translate.
[17:20] <barrydrake> maybe it would be good to treat it like 'bugs' and assign small tasks?
[17:21] <MadnessRed> translations are doing through launchpad now
[17:21] <MadnessRed> which should make it simpler in that respect
[17:22] <MadnessRed> and also means translators aren't presented with any of the source code, which makes it nicer for them
[17:22] <Muscovy> barrydrake: certainly, we can use the bugs system like that for "content missing" and "content  incomplete" and so on.
[17:23] <barrydrake> sounds goo - effort is not duplicated that way
[17:23] <Muscovy> Yeah it's also a good way of knowing who's doing what.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> we also need to think about the interactiveness
[17:24] <Muscovy> You don't want to people with different ideas inadvertently writing two half of one tour.
[17:24] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> things like arrows, and hints
[17:24] <MadnessRed> the tour writers need to tell the programmers what they want
[17:24] <Muscovy> Now that Unity locks positions, the arrow will be a lot easier to use.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> and we need to make sure the tour writers know how to use the arrows
[17:25] <barrydrake> BTW, the instructions for installing ubuntu-tour on the website don't work.  I'll have to use bazaar to get the current code, and build it.
[17:25] <Muscovy> barrydrake, I'm guessing it says there's not a version for natty?
[17:25] <Muscovy> I've not updated it in a while. :P
[17:25] <barrydrake> it isn't that helpful.  It says the binary is 'missing'
[17:26] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[17:26] <Muscovy> Well, I'll update it and take a look this evening or tomorrow.
[17:27] <MadnessRed> will the ppa install the languages for the developement version
[17:27] <Muscovy> The PPA doesn't have that version yet.
[17:28] <Muscovy> Development will be for code, (relase codename) for writing, correct?
[17:30] <MadnessRed> developement for code and tours for the next release
[17:30] <MadnessRed> eg tours for oineric would be done in developement at the moment
[17:30] <MadnessRed> then tours for natty in the natty branch
[17:31] <MadnessRed> I don't think the code is complete enough in development to move it into a tours only branch
[17:31] <Muscovy> Hmm ok.
[17:33] <MadnessRed> if we branched oineric now, i think we would spend a lot of time, merging code changes between development and oineric
[17:34] <Muscovy> Yeah I agree.
[17:34] <barrydrake> currently, the appearance and behaviour of Unity in Oneiric seems to be changing daily ...
[17:34] <Muscovy> I just wasn't totally sure what the delineation between branches was.
[17:34] <Muscovy> Yep. XD
[17:36] <MadnessRed> I think, when the code is complete enough, each release we make the development branch stable, branch it into the codename, and do all the tours there
[17:37] <Muscovy> Makes sense.
[17:39] <Muscovy> Alright, well I've got to go shortly.
[17:39] <MadnessRed> ok, another topic... the website, hardly every works for me
[17:39] <Muscovy> As in it's frequently down?
[17:39] <Muscovy> That's odd.
[17:40] <barrydrake> I haven't seen problems with it - only there is not a lot of informarion up there
[17:40] <barrydrake> this is why I'm lurking here, to see what's happening
[17:41] <Muscovy> Yeah, the site needs work.
[17:42] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, we switched to Omega for hosting a few months ago, for me at least that made the downtime issues go away.
[17:42] <MadnessRed> it's hardly ever up for me
[17:43] <Muscovy> That's not good.
[17:45] <MadnessRed> try accessing it through a uk proxy
[17:49] <Muscovy> http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org you're right. :/
[17:49] <TourBot> Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk)
[17:50] <Muscovy> If I remember correctly philw was another hosting option at the time.
[17:50] <Muscovy> If we can't sort out what's wrong now, I'll talk to him.
[17:51] <Muscovy> And now, I'm afraid I'v got to run.
[17:51] <Muscovy> Thanks for coming to the mini-meeting everyone, I'll get together a TODO list as soon as I can.
[17:51] <Muscovy> !endmeeting
[17:51] <TourBot> Factoid 'endmeeting' not found
[17:51] <MadnessRed> ok kl, thanks everyone
[17:52] <barrydrake> g'night
[20:46] <Omega> I missed the meeting :< I'm sorry guys, I just moved here and I was moving to another place