[16:57] Good day, all. [16:57] hi [16:57] I'm going to start the meeting now, as I'm afraid I have little time. [16:57] hi [16:57] ok [16:58] barrydrake, Crisco MadnessRed MichealH Omega Silasle [16:58] First, perhaps, the release version of focus. [16:58] I think we should skip over natty and go straight to oneric, as not to double-do unity sections. [16:59] Sound reasonable? [16:59] yes [16:59] yh [16:59] Yes [16:59] Ok. [16:59] oneiric is looking quite a bit different now from Natty [17:00] ok [17:00] This is a rather free-form meeting, so does anyone have any topics? [17:00] Questions/concerns/ideas, etc. [17:00] my first meeting here, so I'm lurking [17:00] Welcome. :) [17:01] Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch? [17:01] ...:O [17:01] Madnessred, do you think we could fold the development branch into the main branch? [17:01] It's been stable for a long time, from my experience. [17:02] yh, [17:02] we just need people to convert the tours to the new branch [17:02] Ok, that can be done. [17:03] In the next week or so I need to get going on tour completion. [17:03] #startmeeting [17:03] Meeting started Sun Aug 14 17:03:21 2011 UTC. The chair is MichealH. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:03] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [17:03] #chair Muscovy [17:03] Current chairs: MichealH Muscovy [17:03] Go ahead [17:03] We've got lots of tours that are 3/4ths done. [17:03] Oh thanks, MichealH. [17:03] Anytime [17:04] !hi | everyone [17:04] everyone: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-tour! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay! [17:04] ubottu db FTW [17:04] :) [17:04] Not sure about other editors, but I tend to get lost when I don't know what needs doing, so I'll get a list together soon. [17:04] For those who haven't seen, MadnessRed has a really cool new thing set up, that lets you click parts of the UI to open pages about that part. [17:05] Great for explaining Unity and eventually more applications. [17:06] Oh, and I'll also get back on the PPA again. [17:06] Sorry again that I've been kinda dead, I've been really busy this year. :P [17:06] no problem, I think we all have [17:06] ok, just going back to an earlier point, should I change the "Development focus" to "ubuntu-tour developement" [17:07] at the moment lp:ubuntu-tour is the old natty branch [17:09] What I figured was change natty to be oneric, and merge the new things in from development. [17:09] If I remember correctly, we originally made development because it was unstable. [17:10] Merging might be tricky. By the look of things people have been editing both branches for content. [17:10] Problem is that development and natty are very differnt [17:10] development has a different language and tour system [17:11] Right. [17:11] Should we make a converting tool or just do it manually? [17:12] I could adapt them, it doesn't seem too difficult. [17:12] What I would suggest is that we work on the development branch, then once a new version is released we branch devevlopement to that codename [17:13] eg we work on development now, once oineric is released, we branch development to oineric, the development branch then has code updates and tour updates for p___ and any tour cahnges for oineric can be made in that branch [17:16] Sure. [17:18] kl [17:18] how are we doing for authors? [17:18] that are still around and contributing? [17:18] We're low. [17:18] Once I can get a TODO list, we need to get more members. [17:19] We've basically had contributors slowly dropping out of the project. [17:19] I can sort out another post on OMG!Ubuntu! [17:19] That'd be great! [17:19] Let's just wait until we know what needs doing though. [17:19] but I think we need to get a few more of the basic tours sorted first [17:19] Remember the chaos when we first started and everyone was all over the place? :) [17:20] Yeah. [17:20] yh, we need to know what needs doing [17:20] probably have empty tours set up [17:20] I'll also get going on the Unity one, that's really important. [17:20] Yeah, and have better documentation than last time. [17:20] So everyone knows how to write, edit and translate. [17:20] maybe it would be good to treat it like 'bugs' and assign small tasks? [17:21] translations are doing through launchpad now [17:21] which should make it simpler in that respect [17:22] and also means translators aren't presented with any of the source code, which makes it nicer for them [17:22] barrydrake: certainly, we can use the bugs system like that for "content missing" and "content incomplete" and so on. [17:23] sounds goo - effort is not duplicated that way [17:23] Yeah it's also a good way of knowing who's doing what. [17:24] we also need to think about the interactiveness [17:24] You don't want to people with different ideas inadvertently writing two half of one tour. [17:24] Yeah. [17:24] things like arrows, and hints [17:24] the tour writers need to tell the programmers what they want [17:24] Now that Unity locks positions, the arrow will be a lot easier to use. [17:24] and we need to make sure the tour writers know how to use the arrows [17:25] BTW, the instructions for installing ubuntu-tour on the website don't work. I'll have to use bazaar to get the current code, and build it. [17:25] barrydrake, I'm guessing it says there's not a version for natty? [17:25] I've not updated it in a while. :P [17:25] it isn't that helpful. It says the binary is 'missing' [17:26] Hmm. [17:26] Well, I'll update it and take a look this evening or tomorrow. [17:27] will the ppa install the languages for the developement version [17:27] The PPA doesn't have that version yet. [17:28] Development will be for code, (relase codename) for writing, correct? [17:30] developement for code and tours for the next release [17:30] eg tours for oineric would be done in developement at the moment [17:30] then tours for natty in the natty branch [17:31] I don't think the code is complete enough in development to move it into a tours only branch [17:31] Hmm ok. [17:33] if we branched oineric now, i think we would spend a lot of time, merging code changes between development and oineric [17:34] Yeah I agree. [17:34] currently, the appearance and behaviour of Unity in Oneiric seems to be changing daily ... [17:34] I just wasn't totally sure what the delineation between branches was. [17:34] Yep. XD [17:36] I think, when the code is complete enough, each release we make the development branch stable, branch it into the codename, and do all the tours there [17:37] Makes sense. [17:39] Alright, well I've got to go shortly. [17:39] ok, another topic... the website, hardly every works for me [17:39] As in it's frequently down? [17:39] That's odd. [17:40] I haven't seen problems with it - only there is not a lot of informarion up there [17:40] this is why I'm lurking here, to see what's happening [17:41] Yeah, the site needs work. [17:42] MadnessRed, we switched to Omega for hosting a few months ago, for me at least that made the downtime issues go away. [17:42] it's hardly ever up for me [17:43] That's not good. [17:45] try accessing it through a uk proxy [17:49] http://isitdown.co.uk/ubuntutour.org you're right. :/ [17:49] Title: Is it Down - Check website status form this United Kingdom based server, you can confirm if a website is down or have any error (at isitdown.co.uk) [17:50] If I remember correctly philw was another hosting option at the time. [17:50] If we can't sort out what's wrong now, I'll talk to him. [17:51] And now, I'm afraid I'v got to run. [17:51] Thanks for coming to the mini-meeting everyone, I'll get together a TODO list as soon as I can. [17:51] !endmeeting [17:51] Factoid 'endmeeting' not found [17:51] ok kl, thanks everyone [17:52] g'night [20:46] I missed the meeting :< I'm sorry guys, I just moved here and I was moving to another place