ali1234HazRPG: OMG i just tried that and now the computer is totally messed up00:40
ali1234this really is a spectacular fail00:40
ali1234seems like it is stuck in "expose" mode00:41
ali1234but i can still type in windows as long as i *dont* click on them00:41
ali1234this is pretty epic00:41
ali1234and i'm going to have to restart unity now00:42
ali1234unity --replace is the only way to recover (or a full reboot)00:46
HazRPGali1234: see why I hate unity ^_^00:49
HazRPGali1234: simple, obvious things that are 2nd nature to some... are broken :/00:49
ali1234it's "fixed" in oneiric00:50
ali1234there drag and drop does not work at all00:50
HazRPGI'd report this as a bug, but the bug report probably would start something like "Want to see something cool? Try and drag any file into an icon on the unity bar... see what happens. SCORE \o/!"00:51
ali1234i will report it00:52
ali1234it is a bit more subtle than that00:52
ali1234then you can confirm it :)00:53
HazRPGindeed :)00:53
HazRPGmust say, that's quite an epic bug though00:58
HazRPGmakes you wonder if the coders actually use this at all00:58
ali1234bug 82605901:01
lubotu3Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82605901:01
ali1234HazRPG: please try to reproduce it using exactly the steps i gave01:02
ali1234also, are you using the patch for bug 772612?01:02
lubotu3Launchpad bug 772612 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) "maximized window is displaced" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77261201:02
ali1234because i am, it would be good to rule that out as a casue01:02
HazRPGunless the patch is found in the repo... then no I don't have it on01:03
ali1234it isn't01:03
ali1234it's a PPA01:03
HazRPGyup, same happens here01:05
ali1234ok, set bug to confirmed then please :)01:05
* mgdm makes some code compatible with RHEL 5.x01:06
HazRPGali1234: like that?01:07
ali1234that's it01:08
ali1234might want to comment as well01:08
HazRPGyeah, was just doing that now ^_^01:08
HazRPGshall I do any logs, version, or something to add to it?01:10
ali1234seems easy to reproduce so it should be enough01:10
HazRPGposted, sound okay?01:13
ali1234bug 781835 is a dupe01:16
lubotu3Launchpad bug 781835 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity toolbar blocks if a picture is being dropped on it." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78183501:16
HazRPGheh, someone beat us to it01:17
ali1234actually, no, that's a different bug :/01:17
ali1234#805993 is a dupe though01:17
HazRPGwow 781835 is a bit weird01:18
HazRPGali1234: I like how all those bugs have been ignored...01:25
ali1234well that is a problem caused by the poor timing of the gtk3 switch01:27
ali1234unity in 11.04 uses gtk201:27
ali1234unity in 11.10 uses gtk301:27
ali1234so no backports01:27
ali1234every bugfix has to be individually backported01:28
ali1234so far i don't think any have been01:28
ali1234and i don't really expect that any will be01:28
ali1234unless it is a security bug or something like that01:29
HazRPGone hand, I'm looking forward to 11.10, see what happens... but on the other hand, it just seems like its going to be "more of the same"01:37
ali1234i'm pretty sure i know the owner of that A-board truck :)01:37
ali1234"Mobile advertising vans will be driving round with digital images of those suspected of looting during the disorder. "01:40
ali1234ok, i definitely know them :)01:40
ali1234i just installed 11.10 on my ideapad01:41
ali1234it's a pity that unity is so unfriendly to touch screens01:41
ali1234it seems a bit less buggy than 11.04 though01:41
HazRPGali1234: score01:44
HazRPGali1234: being less buggy01:44
ali1234ah, yeah01:44
ali1234well, i only just installed it01:44
hamitrongiven time, sure ali1234 will find something to moan about ;)01:46
hamitronI still not tried this "unity" you speak of01:47
ali1234for me the biggest problems are global menu and button position and lack of credible workspaces and multihead support01:48
ali1234but none of these things are really bugs - they are broken by design01:48
hamitronnn o/01:49
ali1234apparently i can now make calls to landlines and mobiles right from gmail01:50
ali1234google rolling out google voice to the UK?01:51
HazRPGali1234: I got that recently too01:51
HazRPGhaven't tried it yet, but I got the in-house notification when I logged into gmail01:52
MooDoomorning all08:05
archstanton657Anyone know if theres a v7 rdp client for natty yet?08:08
archstanton657really want to be able to rdp and be able to get windows 7 and 2008 to display dual screens08:09
archstanton657going to try remmina but not sure what version it is08:10
kazade_morning everyone08:31
popeydidnt see you at all yesterday!08:31
kazade_I tried to catch you08:31
kazade_but you were always busy :)08:31
kazade_after the Nanode talk I hung around a bit, but you were trying to purchase one :)08:31
kazade_was really cool yesterday though08:32
kazade_especially the extreme ironing ;)08:32
nperryDid you get a nanode popey ?08:33
popeyno, will do today08:33
kazade_I might hold off until the wireless ones come out08:34
popeytaking my soldering iron :D08:34
kazade_wireless mesh networking ftw ;)08:34
kazade_I  missed out on a Mug yesterday :(08:36
kazade_went to buy one at the end and it had all been packed up08:37
constrictorany scala users here?08:40
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:19
brobostigonmorning KrimZon and MooDoo :)09:26
MooDoomorning brobostigon how are you today?09:27
brobostigonMooDoo: not bad, could be better. my eczema is calming i think, it isnt getting worse atleast. and you?09:28
MooDoobrobostigon: at work, getting frustrated with oneiric and thinking of installing LTS lol09:28
MooDoobrobostigon: and 32bit not 64 so things just work lol09:29
brobostigonMooDoo: ah, i see, hmm. since i went back to debian unstable/sid, my eeepc here seems much happier, with a lighter system.09:29
MooDoobrobostigon: yeah been thinking about debian a lot, but i've a broadcom wifi setup, and broadcom is always a pita to get working09:30
brobostigonMooDoo: ah, i see, :(09:30
Myrttibrobostigon: a friend once suggested cold-pressed, ie. extra virgin olive and/or rapeseed oil for eczema, she had good results09:31
MooDoobrobostigon: might give it a try see what it's like nowdays09:31
brobostigonMooDoo: i have tried cooled olive oil, it certain is relaxing, and calming, and a good moisturiser.09:32
brobostigonMooDoo: yes, it certainly is a ligter system, which is good for my eeepc.09:33
MooDoobrobostigon: my laptop is quite good but i've just not found the right linux distro yet lol might give mint ago09:33
brobostigonMyrtti: that message i meant to send to you about olive oil.09:34
brobostigonMooDoo: ah, i see.09:34
Myrttibrobostigon: ack09:34
brobostigonMyrtti: umm, i dont understand. sorry.09:35
brobostigonah, i see.09:41
dwatkinsWhen someone says 'boo!' to me I say 'ack!'10:14
MooDoodwatkins: i normally fall on the floor, cry and cower ;)10:15
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dwatkinsMooDoo: Boo!10:37
MooDoodwatkins: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!10:41
* dwatkins sniggers in an evil manner10:43
* dwatkins hands MooDoo a cookie10:43
MooDoothank *sniff* *sniff* lol10:43
brobostigonafternoonings czajkowski11:08
MooDoohello czajkowski11:10
jacobwafternoon ubuntoids11:16
brobostigonafternoonings jacobw11:17
* penguin42 yaaaaaawwwwwwnnnns11:33
* brobostigon gets penguin42 a cuppa.11:36
darkstar84So... KDE vs Gnome...11:36
darkstar84I really couldn't resist.11:37
penguin42ohoh, it's only 12:37 and the holy war is being debated11:37
brobostigongnome3/gnome-shell, is my favorite, kde is simply too slow, and bulky. and gnome2 is good, but has some faults, which are fixed in gnome3. so gnome3 wins.11:38
brobostigongood also, nice and light, easy to use, easy to configure.11:39
* penguin42 can't cope with the way workspaces are done in gnome3; so I do KDE4 - I'm not convinced it's any bulkier than gnome3/unity11:39
darkstar84I had KDE installed for about an hour, then swiftly removed it, and have been using gnome ever since, I quite like XFCE also, but I have a fast computer so running gnome is no issue.  I haven't tried the new KDE though.11:40
brobostigonpenguin42: my comparison is on my eeepc. kde4 was basiclly unusable, it was that slow and resource hungry, whereas gnome-shell runs most smoothly.11:40
Myrttihmmm. smells like food...11:41
penguin42brobostigon: Hmm intersting - I do run KDE4 on my quad core with lots of RAM so it's not a problem either way!11:41
Myrttisomeone must have a hot pasty in theor pocket11:41
brobostigonpenguin42: true, on that kind of machine you wont notice, however on my kind of machine, faults stick out like a sore thumb.11:42
penguin42brobostigon: Nod11:42
penguin42it's annoying how every desktop environment is missing one or two features I really like about gnome211:43
penguin42and it's a non-overlapping set of what's missing - and they tend to be pretty simple things11:43
brobostigonpenguin42: and personally i think the workspace changes and the alt/tab changes in gnome-shell are a distinct improvement for me, over what was in gnome2.11:43
penguin42brobostigon: I've worked with a fixed set of workspaces for over a decade and the change is just too wacky for me11:44
penguin42brobostigon: I *know* that my web browser is always at the bottom left workspace11:44
brobostigonpenguin42: i have everything in certain workspaces aswel, as i almost always open things in a certain order, when i start my machine, and thus as i change workspaces everything almost always ends up on the same workspace, and if not, it is easy enough to move apps and or windows between workspaces.11:45
jacobwthe session manager in kde3 used to restore any windows that were present on last shutdown when you logged in11:51
brobostigonthus adding overhead, of all those apps, to your DE starting.11:51
penguin42most of the desktops can be configured as to whether to autosave/autostart the session11:52
jacobwi've yet to try xfce4, that may be today activity11:53
BigRedSKDE did have a habit of ignoring that, though11:53
KrimZonI think I'd ideally be satisfied with a tree-style tab bar for all windows11:53
KrimZonthen I'd run firefox in one-window-per-page mode11:54
jacobwKrimZon: i'm sure i've seen that somewhere11:54
brobostigonKrimZon: gnome-shells does that, it sorts by workspacfem then app, then that apps windows.11:54
KrimZonbut it doesn't show them, you have to tab through, or click some thing to go to another screen11:55
KrimZonI mean something like the tree style tab extension for firefox11:55
brobostigonKrimZon: it does show window previews, within alt-tab, when you have a app selected.11:56
KrimZonthen instead of putting everything for a task on a workspace, just arrange into a tree of tabs11:56
dwatkinsI prefer tabs in my messaging application13:05
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suprengra'noon all... [says a jealous oggcampers suprengr ]13:10
suprengr*jealous *of* oggcampers is a better definition ;(13:12
olortonHey all, I've started a new mythtv build and am having a few problems with  MythNetvision - can anyone help?13:20
penguin42curious; the 'blocked' circle has disappeared from G+13:23
suprengr...and the "games" option appears - hmmmm13:25
MooDoogrrr games, didn't think it would be long....adverts next13:27
brobostigonthe games are a form of advertising fpr the companies that make them.13:28
MooDooit'll be facebook before you know it ;)13:29
brobostigoni hope not, that would be pr disaster. headline, google emulates facebook."13:30
suprengrhowever - g+ *is* [still] more full of good peeps than the FB devil13:31
suprengrFeeling vain... anyone able to recommend a [cheap & good] domain registering & hosting site for own web site [minimal expense, minimal expected traffic]?13:51
MooDoosuprengr: how much you willing to pay?13:52
brobostigongandi for your domain, and bitfolk for my vps,. is what i use.13:52
Azelphursuprengr: I really like namecheap, I've been with them from 300 hits a month to 300,000 hits a month :)13:52
Azelphurhad no problems13:52
suprengrMooDoo, whatever makes it good , safe & cheap if poss :)13:52
Azelphursuprengr: they helped me deal with yahoo too after they stole my domain13:53
suprengrAzelphur, never hear of that one? are they safe, secure, non-evil, blah blah blah13:54
Azelphurgeneral consensus seems to be that they are, nodaddy.com recommends it13:54
suprengrAlanBell, cool.  Thanks13:54
suprengrAlanBell, whoops - wrong tab!13:55
Azelphurdid alanbell talk? I didn't see him talk :o13:55
Azelphurhaha was gonna say13:55
suprengrAzelphur, , cool.  Thanks13:55
Azelphursuprengr: ty, also check out retailmenot if you go with namecheap they sometimes have money off coupon codes13:55
Azelphurother thing is do you know about whoisguard and domain whois?13:56
suprengrwhois - no prob.  not use whoisguard13:57
Azelphuryea I havn't been using whoisguard for a while now13:57
suprengrwhois - no prob.  not used whoisguard13:57
Azelphurwhoisguard just protects all your DNS whois information for you13:58
Azelphuronly thing that ever happened was I got a letter from some company trying to scam my domain off me13:58
Azelphur"Your domain is going to expire in October if you don't pay us $30!" >.>13:58
suprengrAzelphur, ...another one for the recycle bin!13:58
AzelphurYours sincerely, random company that is nothing to do with my DNS registrar13:58
Azelphurindeed :p13:58
brobostigonthe only company that would tell me such a thing, and for me to accept it, is the company i acctually have my domain registered with, otherwise, its marked as spam.14:00
Azelphurhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/September%202010/IMG_20101003_015120.jpg here it is :P14:01
brobostigonAzelphur: distinctly expensive to start with.14:03
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suprengrbrobostigon, /me also investigating option - gandi - do they host the site as well14:10
brobostigonsuprengr: yes. they do vps hosting aswell,14:11
suprengrbrobostigon,  :)14:11
brobostigonsuprengr: :)14:12
MooDoomemset for vps, they are excellent14:13
suprengrMooDoo, thanks - also investigating.14:19
suprengr Browser tabs now full of of recommendations... I sometimes wonder why the whole world doesn't use U-UK ;D14:20
suprengr[including Bill Gates!]14:23
BigRedS 14:56
suprengrthis is a direct quote quote from BBC news site: A talking cactus named Spike returns to Aberdeen's Winter Gardens at Duthie Park after more than 12 years absence.14:59
suprengrmethinks BBC news editor may be schmoking not smoking!15:00
* suprengr drifts off into world of talking cacti....15:01
MooDoowhat a waste of a news report15:02
ubuntuuk-planet[iain woz ere] Dear lazyweb: Cycle touring by train - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/trains-and-bikes/15:17
stuartHello, good denizens of the cyberworld. Do we have anyone who is familiar with the usage of the Russia phonetic keyboard layout??15:43
MooDoostuart: there you go ;) http://winrus.com/screen_e.htm15:44
MooDoosorry lol15:44
stuartlol. I've gotten that far but do we know how to acchieve accented/stressed characters using that particular layout??15:46
HazRPGali1234: did you notice the reply we got on launchpad? I don't quite get what he means... (bug 826059)16:31
lubotu3Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82605916:31
HazRPGah, that would make more sense16:32
HazRPGisn't that because they denied drag&drop to the unity bar in 11.10?16:33
HazRPGits not really a fix, its just an avoidance of an issue16:33
mgdmI don't know, I don't use unity16:33
HazRPGIs there a poll somewhere about whether or not people use/like unity?16:38
HazRPGbecause I'm sure such information would be invaluable to canonical at this stage16:39
suprengrHazRPG, +116:44
HazRPGsuprengr: heh, thanks :)16:45
penguin42HazRPG: I guess the interesting question is whether it could be done fairly; i.e. are most of the people who dislike it more likely to vote than those who are OK with it?  If such a poll existed I'd like to see Gnome3 on that list16:45
mgdmNot tried Gnome3 yet16:45
mgdmNot even sure if I can install it on Ubuntu?16:45
HazRPGmgdm: you can, but it might be a bit of a pain at the moment since its not in the repo (except for 11.10)16:46
HazRPGmgdm: I know brobostigon has managed to do it16:46
mgdmI might try later16:47
mgdmI can't afford to make my laptop misbehave this week :)16:47
suprengrmgdm, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome316:47
mgdmsuprengr: Ooo, thanks16:47
HazRPGpenguin42: yeah, this is very true... however it if was advertised on say omgubuntu or something of that nature... there would probably a wider spectrum of users voting on it16:47
suprengr...hang on - I'll find the full instruct16:48
* mgdm brb - suprengr, highlight me and I'll grab it later16:48
penguin42HazRPG: That of course wouldn't get people who left Ubuntu because of it; it would be better to have it somewhere distro neutral16:48
HazRPGsuprengr: ah, that'll be why I haven't  tried it yet, I'm still in maverick16:48
HazRPGpenguin42: distrowatch maybe?16:49
penguin42HazRPG: Possibly, although to be fair I don't look at it16:49
HazRPGpenguin42: here's an interesting one, with results: http://techhamlet.com/2011/04/ubuntu-what-do-you-think-about-unity-poll-results/16:50
HazRPGonly 370 odd people voted though16:51
penguin42HazRPG: It's also a bit odd 'Switch back to the Gnome shell' - it wasn't the gnome shell previously16:52
HazRPGpenguin42: true, but IIRC unity is still built up from gnome316:54
penguin42HazRPG: Not really - the libraries are there but very little else is16:55
penguin42HazRPG: Gnome3 shell has a very different feel from either Unity or Gnome2 and hence you can't really say Unity should switch back to gnome and expect to get what you're used to without saying which way to go16:55
HazRPGI always thought unity was meant to be an alternative to gnome-shell, still using gnome3 as the base (or that was how I always understood it)16:56
suprengrmgdm,   http://techhamlet.com/2011/05/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/16:56
penguin42HazRPG: Indeed; but the shell is the majority of the luck and feel16:56
penguin42luck? look!16:57
suprengrmgdm,  but please also read http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/do-not-install-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu.html16:57
HazRPGpenguin42: true16:59
suprengrpenguin42,  good look/luck/duck [I'd do an "f" one but...] ;)16:59
davmor2hello all I'm in nearly sunny London :)17:00
OimonHi guys I missed the oggcamp raffle. Did anyone non-present win anything?17:01
* suprengr was born in LDn... there ain't no such thing davmor2 as a 'sunny' LDN17:02
davmor2suprengr: hence nearly :D17:02
HazRPGsuprengr: ain't no such thing as sunny anywhere in the UK ^_^17:02
davmor2HazRPG: there is sunny sunny wolverhampton the city of dreams :D17:03
HazRPGdavmor2: ^_^17:03
suprengrbin there dunit... wore it out ;)17:04
davmor2right I'm off things to do people to see and all that17:04
* AlanBell is in a pub17:53
* brobostigon is jealous.17:53
* daubers is at home with a mug of tea17:56
suprengrjust got a mail [I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn] from U-UK mail.  genuine?17:56
brobostigonsuprengr: strange, would be what i thought.17:57
suprengr[could say who from if wanted]17:57
suprengrbrobostigon,  exactly what I thought ;)17:57
brobostigonone of my fingers strayed.17:59
suprengr...my virtual ears hurt.. but forgive17:59
* brobostigon apologizes.17:59
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TheOpenSourcererOMG - Check this out in Google Chrome... http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water20:04
dwatkinsvery nice, TheOpenSourcerer :)20:07
LcawteAnyone here a developer for something that uses Wikipedia or any of its sister projects, or develops stuff that aims at free licensed media (like uploaders or free media sites  etc)20:07
gordjust fyi, works fine in firefox or any webgl browser :)20:16
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skybinaryhello, one of my hd's has died sob! but i managed to boot into karmic but...20:51
skybinarywith this low graphics screen the linux-mint website just does not render any links20:51
skybinarycould someone do me the kind favor and find the link for me and post it? plz20:51
skybinaryits ok panic over i found a link20:54
clarknovahi all20:59
clarknovainspired by Oggcamp talk by czajkowski to show my face in here.....so hello.20:59
brobostigonevevning clarknova21:03
clarknovacan't get on the ubuntu-uk loco page. Is there a problem with it?21:09
czajkowskiclarknova: aloha21:36
czajkowskiclarknova: loco.u.c is down atm21:39
clarknovabedtime, I'll come on again tomorrow. Thanks czajkowski :)21:44
* brobostigon tries to think about somrthing interesting to play with tmrw.21:46
brobostigongood night clarknova o/21:46
brobostigongood night everyone, sleep well.21:55
bernhard2 Installed nginx and php5 php5-fpm the website is working with html not not php the info.php does not show php info. did install apt-get install php5 php5-fpm php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-cli php5-gd php5-curl php5-imap php5-memcache php-apc restart both nginx and php5-fpm The nginx config files can be found here.. http://pastebin.com/tH4RaYB022:38
AlanBellevening peeps23:45
* AlanBell is back from the pub23:46
Pendulumhi AlanBell23:50
AlanBello/ even23:58
bigcalm_lappy486Hey AlanBell :)23:58
bigcalm_lappy486One might wonder why we are on IRC at this point in time23:59

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