[00:40] HazRPG: OMG i just tried that and now the computer is totally messed up [00:40] this really is a spectacular fail [00:41] seems like it is stuck in "expose" mode [00:41] but i can still type in windows as long as i *dont* click on them [00:41] this is pretty epic [00:42] and i'm going to have to restart unity now [00:46] unity --replace is the only way to recover (or a full reboot) [00:49] ali1234: see why I hate unity ^_^ [00:49] heh [00:49] ali1234: simple, obvious things that are 2nd nature to some... are broken :/ [00:50] it's "fixed" in oneiric [00:50] there drag and drop does not work at all [00:50] heh [00:51] I'd report this as a bug, but the bug report probably would start something like "Want to see something cool? Try and drag any file into an icon on the unity bar... see what happens. SCORE \o/!" [00:52] i will report it [00:52] it is a bit more subtle than that [00:53] then you can confirm it :) [00:53] indeed :) [00:58] must say, that's quite an epic bug though [00:58] makes you wonder if the coders actually use this at all [01:01] bug 826059 [01:01] Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/826059 [01:02] HazRPG: please try to reproduce it using exactly the steps i gave [01:02] also, are you using the patch for bug 772612? [01:02] Launchpad bug 772612 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) "maximized window is displaced" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/772612 [01:02] because i am, it would be good to rule that out as a casue [01:02] *cause [01:03] unless the patch is found in the repo... then no I don't have it on [01:03] install* [01:03] it isn't [01:03] it's a PPA [01:05] yup, same happens here [01:05] ok, set bug to confirmed then please :) [01:06] * mgdm makes some code compatible with RHEL 5.x [01:06] *shudder* [01:07] ali1234: like that? [01:08] that's it [01:08] might want to comment as well [01:08] yeah, was just doing that now ^_^ [01:10] shall I do any logs, version, or something to add to it? [01:10] seems easy to reproduce so it should be enough [01:13] posted, sound okay? [01:14] yeah [01:16] bug 781835 is a dupe [01:16] Launchpad bug 781835 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity toolbar blocks if a picture is being dropped on it." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781835 [01:17] heh, someone beat us to it [01:17] actually, no, that's a different bug :/ [01:17] #805993 is a dupe though [01:18] wow 781835 is a bit weird [01:25] ali1234: I like how all those bugs have been ignored... [01:27] well that is a problem caused by the poor timing of the gtk3 switch [01:27] unity in 11.04 uses gtk2 [01:27] unity in 11.10 uses gtk3 [01:27] so no backports [01:28] every bugfix has to be individually backported [01:28] so far i don't think any have been [01:28] and i don't really expect that any will be [01:29] unless it is a security bug or something like that [01:30] indeed [01:37] http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54582000/jpg/_54582676_012645241-1.jpg [01:37] one hand, I'm looking forward to 11.10, see what happens... but on the other hand, it just seems like its going to be "more of the same" [01:37] i'm pretty sure i know the owner of that A-board truck :) [01:38] heh [01:40] "Mobile advertising vans will be driving round with digital images of those suspected of looting during the disorder. " [01:40] ok, i definitely know them :) [01:41] i just installed 11.10 on my ideapad [01:41] it's a pity that unity is so unfriendly to touch screens [01:41] it seems a bit less buggy than 11.04 though [01:42] :) [01:44] ali1234: score [01:44] score? [01:44] ali1234: being less buggy [01:44] ah, yeah [01:44] well, i only just installed it [01:46] given time, sure ali1234 will find something to moan about ;) [01:47] I still not tried this "unity" you speak of [01:48] for me the biggest problems are global menu and button position and lack of credible workspaces and multihead support [01:48] but none of these things are really bugs - they are broken by design [01:49] :/ [01:49] anyways [01:49] nn o/ [01:50] apparently i can now make calls to landlines and mobiles right from gmail [01:51] google rolling out google voice to the UK? [01:51] ali1234: I got that recently too [01:51] neat [01:52] haven't tried it yet, but I got the in-house notification when I logged into gmail [08:05] morning all [08:08] Anyone know if theres a v7 rdp client for natty yet? [08:09] really want to be able to rdp and be able to get windows 7 and 2008 to display dual screens [08:10] going to try remmina but not sure what version it is [08:31] morning everyone [08:31] lo [08:31] didnt see you at all yesterday! [08:31] I tried to catch you [08:31] but you were always busy :) [08:31] after the Nanode talk I hung around a bit, but you were trying to purchase one :) [08:31] hehe [08:32] was really cool yesterday though [08:32] excellent! [08:32] especially the extreme ironing ;) [08:33] Did you get a nanode popey ? [08:33] no, will do today [08:34] I might hold off until the wireless ones come out [08:34] taking my soldering iron :D [08:34] wireless mesh networking ftw ;) [08:36] I missed out on a Mug yesterday :( [08:37] went to buy one at the end and it had all been packed up [08:40] any scala users here? [09:19] good morning everyone. [09:21] morning [09:21] moring [09:26] morning KrimZon and MooDoo :) [09:27] morning brobostigon how are you today? [09:28] MooDoo: not bad, could be better. my eczema is calming i think, it isnt getting worse atleast. and you? [09:28] brobostigon: at work, getting frustrated with oneiric and thinking of installing LTS lol [09:29] brobostigon: and 32bit not 64 so things just work lol [09:29] MooDoo: ah, i see, hmm. since i went back to debian unstable/sid, my eeepc here seems much happier, with a lighter system. [09:30] brobostigon: yeah been thinking about debian a lot, but i've a broadcom wifi setup, and broadcom is always a pita to get working [09:30] MooDoo: ah, i see, :( [09:31] brobostigon: a friend once suggested cold-pressed, ie. extra virgin olive and/or rapeseed oil for eczema, she had good results [09:31] brobostigon: might give it a try see what it's like nowdays [09:32] MooDoo: i have tried cooled olive oil, it certain is relaxing, and calming, and a good moisturiser. [09:33] MooDoo: yes, it certainly is a ligter system, which is good for my eeepc. [09:33] brobostigon: my laptop is quite good but i've just not found the right linux distro yet lol might give mint ago [09:33] ew [09:34] Myrtti: that message i meant to send to you about olive oil. [09:34] MooDoo: ah, i see. [09:34] brobostigon: ack [09:35] Myrtti: umm, i dont understand. sorry. [09:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acknowledgement_(data_networks) [09:41] ah, i see. [10:14] When someone says 'boo!' to me I say 'ack!' [10:15] dwatkins: i normally fall on the floor, cry and cower ;) === denny- is now known as denny [10:37] MooDoo: Boo! [10:41] dwatkins: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! [10:43] * dwatkins sniggers in an evil manner [10:43] :p [10:43] * dwatkins hands MooDoo a cookie [10:43] thank *sniff* *sniff* lol [11:08] aloha [11:08] afternoonings czajkowski [11:10] hello czajkowski [11:16] afternoon ubuntoids [11:17] afternoonings jacobw [11:18] hullo [11:33] * penguin42 yaaaaaawwwwwwnnnns [11:36] * brobostigon gets penguin42 a cuppa. [11:36] So... KDE vs Gnome... [11:37] I really couldn't resist. [11:37] ohoh, it's only 12:37 and the holy war is being debated [11:38] gnome3/gnome-shell, is my favorite, kde is simply too slow, and bulky. and gnome2 is good, but has some faults, which are fixed in gnome3. so gnome3 wins. [11:38] hrm... [11:38] xfce4. [11:39] good also, nice and light, easy to use, easy to configure. [11:39] * penguin42 can't cope with the way workspaces are done in gnome3; so I do KDE4 - I'm not convinced it's any bulkier than gnome3/unity [11:40] I had KDE installed for about an hour, then swiftly removed it, and have been using gnome ever since, I quite like XFCE also, but I have a fast computer so running gnome is no issue. I haven't tried the new KDE though. [11:40] penguin42: my comparison is on my eeepc. kde4 was basiclly unusable, it was that slow and resource hungry, whereas gnome-shell runs most smoothly. [11:41] hmmm. smells like food... [11:41] :) [11:41] Gimmie. [11:41] brobostigon: Hmm intersting - I do run KDE4 on my quad core with lots of RAM so it's not a problem either way! [11:41] someone must have a hot pasty in theor pocket [11:42] penguin42: true, on that kind of machine you wont notice, however on my kind of machine, faults stick out like a sore thumb. [11:42] brobostigon: Nod [11:43] it's annoying how every desktop environment is missing one or two features I really like about gnome2 [11:43] and it's a non-overlapping set of what's missing - and they tend to be pretty simple things [11:43] penguin42: and personally i think the workspace changes and the alt/tab changes in gnome-shell are a distinct improvement for me, over what was in gnome2. [11:44] brobostigon: I've worked with a fixed set of workspaces for over a decade and the change is just too wacky for me [11:44] brobostigon: I *know* that my web browser is always at the bottom left workspace [11:45] penguin42: i have everything in certain workspaces aswel, as i almost always open things in a certain order, when i start my machine, and thus as i change workspaces everything almost always ends up on the same workspace, and if not, it is easy enough to move apps and or windows between workspaces. [11:51] the session manager in kde3 used to restore any windows that were present on last shutdown when you logged in [11:51] thus adding overhead, of all those apps, to your DE starting. [11:52] yes [11:52] :( [11:52] most of the desktops can be configured as to whether to autosave/autostart the session [11:53] i've yet to try xfce4, that may be today activity [11:53] KDE did have a habit of ignoring that, though [11:53] I think I'd ideally be satisfied with a tree-style tab bar for all windows [11:54] then I'd run firefox in one-window-per-page mode [11:54] KrimZon: i'm sure i've seen that somewhere [11:54] KrimZon: gnome-shells does that, it sorts by workspacfem then app, then that apps windows. [11:55] but it doesn't show them, you have to tab through, or click some thing to go to another screen [11:55] I mean something like the tree style tab extension for firefox [11:56] KrimZon: it does show window previews, within alt-tab, when you have a app selected. [11:56] then instead of putting everything for a task on a workspace, just arrange into a tree of tabs [11:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyNkBLhIpQk&feature=related [13:05] I prefer tabs in my messaging application === AndChat- is now known as bigcalm [13:10] a'noon all... [says a jealous oggcampers suprengr ] [13:12] *jealous *of* oggcampers is a better definition ;( [13:20] Hey all, I've started a new mythtv build and am having a few problems with MythNetvision - can anyone help? [13:23] curious; the 'blocked' circle has disappeared from G+ [13:25] ...and the "games" option appears - hmmmm [13:27] grrr games, didn't think it would be long....adverts next [13:28] the games are a form of advertising fpr the companies that make them. [13:29] it'll be facebook before you know it ;) [13:30] i hope not, that would be pr disaster. headline, google emulates facebook." [13:31] however - g+ *is* [still] more full of good peeps than the FB devil [13:51] Feeling vain... anyone able to recommend a [cheap & good] domain registering & hosting site for own web site [minimal expense, minimal expected traffic]? [13:52] suprengr: how much you willing to pay? [13:52] gandi for your domain, and bitfolk for my vps,. is what i use. [13:52] suprengr: I really like namecheap, I've been with them from 300 hits a month to 300,000 hits a month :) [13:52] had no problems [13:52] MooDoo, whatever makes it good , safe & cheap if poss :) [13:53] suprengr: they helped me deal with yahoo too after they stole my domain [13:54] Azelphur, never hear of that one? are they safe, secure, non-evil, blah blah blah [13:54] general consensus seems to be that they are, nodaddy.com recommends it [13:54] AlanBell, cool. Thanks [13:55] AlanBell, whoops - wrong tab! [13:55] did alanbell talk? I didn't see him talk :o [13:55] haha was gonna say [13:55] Azelphur, , cool. Thanks [13:55] ;D [13:55] suprengr: ty, also check out retailmenot if you go with namecheap they sometimes have money off coupon codes [13:56] weeeee! [13:56] :) [13:56] other thing is do you know about whoisguard and domain whois? [13:57] whois - no prob. not use whoisguard [13:57] yea I havn't been using whoisguard for a while now [13:57] whois - no prob. not used whoisguard [13:58] whoisguard just protects all your DNS whois information for you [13:58] only thing that ever happened was I got a letter from some company trying to scam my domain off me [13:58] "Your domain is going to expire in October if you don't pay us $30!" >.> [13:58] lol [13:58] Azelphur, ...another one for the recycle bin! [13:58] Yours sincerely, random company that is nothing to do with my DNS registrar [13:58] indeed :p [14:00] the only company that would tell me such a thing, and for me to accept it, is the company i acctually have my domain registered with, otherwise, its marked as spam. [14:00] indeed [14:01] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/September%202010/IMG_20101003_015120.jpg here it is :P [14:03] Azelphur: distinctly expensive to start with. [14:03] indeed === AndChat- is now known as bigcalm [14:10] brobostigon, /me also investigating option - gandi - do they host the site as well [14:11] suprengr: yes. they do vps hosting aswell, [14:11] brobostigon, :) [14:12] suprengr: :) [14:13] memset for vps, they are excellent [14:19] MooDoo, thanks - also investigating. [14:20] Browser tabs now full of of recommendations... I sometimes wonder why the whole world doesn't use U-UK ;D [14:23] [including Bill Gates!] [14:56] [14:59] this is a direct quote quote from BBC news site: A talking cactus named Spike returns to Aberdeen's Winter Gardens at Duthie Park after more than 12 years absence. [15:00] methinks BBC news editor may be schmoking not smoking! [15:01] * suprengr drifts off into world of talking cacti.... [15:02] what a waste of a news report [15:17] [iain woz ere] Dear lazyweb: Cycle touring by train - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/trains-and-bikes/ [15:43] Hello, good denizens of the cyberworld. Do we have anyone who is familiar with the usage of the Russia phonetic keyboard layout?? [15:44] stuart: there you go ;) http://winrus.com/screen_e.htm [15:44] sorry lol [15:46] lol. I've gotten that far but do we know how to acchieve accented/stressed characters using that particular layout?? [16:31] ali1234: did you notice the reply we got on launchpad? I don't quite get what he means... (bug 826059) [16:31] Launchpad bug 826059 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity gets stuck in 'expose' mode when you drag an icon over a launcher icon and hold it there" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/826059 [16:32] s/image/issue/ [16:32] ah, that would make more sense [16:33] isn't that because they denied drag&drop to the unity bar in 11.10? [16:33] its not really a fix, its just an avoidance of an issue [16:33] I don't know, I don't use unity [16:38] Is there a poll somewhere about whether or not people use/like unity? [16:39] because I'm sure such information would be invaluable to canonical at this stage [16:44] HazRPG, +1 [16:45] suprengr: heh, thanks :) [16:45] HazRPG: I guess the interesting question is whether it could be done fairly; i.e. are most of the people who dislike it more likely to vote than those who are OK with it? If such a poll existed I'd like to see Gnome3 on that list [16:45] Not tried Gnome3 yet [16:45] Not even sure if I can install it on Ubuntu? [16:46] mgdm: you can, but it might be a bit of a pain at the moment since its not in the repo (except for 11.10) [16:46] mgdm: I know brobostigon has managed to do it [16:47] I might try later [16:47] I can't afford to make my laptop misbehave this week :) [16:47] mgdm, https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 [16:47] suprengr: Ooo, thanks [16:47] penguin42: yeah, this is very true... however it if was advertised on say omgubuntu or something of that nature... there would probably a wider spectrum of users voting on it [16:48] ...hang on - I'll find the full instruct [16:48] * mgdm brb - suprengr, highlight me and I'll grab it later [16:48] HazRPG: That of course wouldn't get people who left Ubuntu because of it; it would be better to have it somewhere distro neutral [16:48] suprengr: ah, that'll be why I haven't tried it yet, I'm still in maverick [16:49] penguin42: distrowatch maybe? [16:49] HazRPG: Possibly, although to be fair I don't look at it [16:50] penguin42: here's an interesting one, with results: http://techhamlet.com/2011/04/ubuntu-what-do-you-think-about-unity-poll-results/ [16:51] only 370 odd people voted though [16:52] HazRPG: It's also a bit odd 'Switch back to the Gnome shell' - it wasn't the gnome shell previously [16:54] penguin42: true, but IIRC unity is still built up from gnome3 [16:55] HazRPG: Not really - the libraries are there but very little else is [16:55] HazRPG: Gnome3 shell has a very different feel from either Unity or Gnome2 and hence you can't really say Unity should switch back to gnome and expect to get what you're used to without saying which way to go [16:56] I always thought unity was meant to be an alternative to gnome-shell, still using gnome3 as the base (or that was how I always understood it) [16:56] mgdm, http://techhamlet.com/2011/05/how-to-install-gnome-3-on-ubuntu-11-04/ [16:56] HazRPG: Indeed; but the shell is the majority of the luck and feel [16:57] luck? look! [16:57] mgdm, but please also read http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/do-not-install-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu.html [16:59] penguin42: true [16:59] penguin42, good look/luck/duck [I'd do an "f" one but...] ;) [17:00] hello all I'm in nearly sunny London :) [17:01] Hi guys I missed the oggcamp raffle. Did anyone non-present win anything? [17:02] * suprengr was born in LDn... there ain't no such thing davmor2 as a 'sunny' LDN [17:02] suprengr: hence nearly :D [17:02] suprengr: ain't no such thing as sunny anywhere in the UK ^_^ [17:02] ;l) [17:03] HazRPG: there is sunny sunny wolverhampton the city of dreams :D [17:03] davmor2: ^_^ [17:04] bin there dunit... wore it out ;) [17:04] right I'm off things to do people to see and all that [17:10] Evening [17:27] o/ [17:33] o/ [17:53] evening [17:53] * AlanBell is in a pub [17:53] * brobostigon is jealous. [17:56] * daubers is at home with a mug of tea [17:56] [17:56] just got a mail [I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn] from U-UK mail. genuine? [17:57] suprengr: strange, would be what i thought. [17:57] [could say who from if wanted] [17:57] brobostigon, exactly what I thought ;) [17:58] :) [17:58] suprengr: maybe A TYPING MISTAKE OR SOMETHING FROM THE PERSON INVOLVED, OR AN EMAIL CLIENT BUG.? [17:58] sorry. [17:59] one of my fingers strayed. [17:59] ...my virtual ears hurt.. but forgive [17:59] * brobostigon apologizes. === c is now known as Guest95106 [20:04] OMG - Check this out in Google Chrome... http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water [20:07] very nice, TheOpenSourcerer :) [20:07] Anyone here a developer for something that uses Wikipedia or any of its sister projects, or develops stuff that aims at free licensed media (like uploaders or free media sites etc) [20:16] just fyi, works fine in firefox or any webgl browser :) === gerry__ is now known as easytiger [20:51] hello, one of my hd's has died sob! but i managed to boot into karmic but... [20:51] with this low graphics screen the linux-mint website just does not render any links [20:51] could someone do me the kind favor and find the link for me and post it? plz [20:54] its ok panic over i found a link [20:59] hi all [20:59] inspired by Oggcamp talk by czajkowski to show my face in here.....so hello. [21:03] evevning clarknova [21:03] hello [21:09] can't get on the ubuntu-uk loco page. Is there a problem with it? [21:36] clarknova: aloha [21:39] clarknova: loco.u.c is down atm [21:44] bedtime, I'll come on again tomorrow. Thanks czajkowski :) [21:44] bye [21:46] * brobostigon tries to think about somrthing interesting to play with tmrw. [21:46] good night clarknova o/ [21:55] good night everyone, sleep well. [22:38] Installed nginx and php5 php5-fpm the website is working with html not not php the info.php does not show php info. did install apt-get install php5 php5-fpm php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-cli php5-gd php5-curl php5-imap php5-memcache php-apc restart both nginx and php5-fpm The nginx config files can be found here.. http://pastebin.com/tH4RaYB0 [23:45] evening peeps [23:46] * AlanBell is back from the pub [23:50] hi AlanBell [23:58] 7o. [23:58] o/ even [23:58] Hey AlanBell :) [23:59] :) [23:59] One might wonder why we are on IRC at this point in time