| falktx | ailo: but how do the *-controls packaging works? | 00:00 |
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| falktx | ailo: let's say US has a new release ready, would it be able to be pushed to the repos? | 00:00 |
| falktx | (release of the *-controls) | 00:01 |
| ailo | falktx, -controls was removed, since it has not been updated. So, I don't think you can upload it after feature freeze. I'm not sure tbh | 00:01 |
| falktx | this sucks | 00:04 |
| falktx | ailo: so basically all the work we can do right now is the meta-packages? | 00:04 |
| falktx | ScottL: did you reviewed that xfce menu patch? | 00:04 |
| falktx | I see the problem here... | 00:13 |
| falktx | ...everyone is busy with their own lives | 00:14 |
| falktx | we should ask canonical to paid a member of US for full time development | 00:14 |
| falktx | there's nothing to lose in doing so, right? | 00:15 |
| falktx | at least we try | 00:15 |
| ScottL | falktx, i did not finish reviewing the xfce menu patch because i could not get the xfce menu to misbehave | 00:25 |
| falktx | ScottL: oh, so you're happy with the current implementation? | 00:26 |
| astraljava | falktx: Why do you need a website for the docs, when there are manpages and infopages available? | 00:26 |
| holstein | ...and wikis... dont forget the wikis.. | 00:27 |
| astraljava | falktx: oneiric, way too late. | 00:27 |
| falktx | astraljava: because I want to make a PDF doc for it, and it has to reflect the content on the website | 00:27 |
| falktx | astraljava: the website is actually a wiki by itself | 00:28 |
| astraljava | falktx: Okay. | 00:32 |
| astraljava | It'll have man/info -pages too, right? | 00:32 |
| astraljava | Cause if you want it to debian, it's gotta have. | 00:32 |
| falktx | haha, yes, debian and it's man pages | 00:37 |
| falktx | astraljava: the app does not listen to any cmd arguments though | 00:37 |
| astraljava | Yeah. I'm not too sure about the requirements, then. I'm afraid they're gonna require man or info pages anyhow. Could be wrong, though. | 00:39 |
| falktx | astraljava: afaik, if it doesn't exist, they will "automatically" create one for me ;) | 00:39 |
| astraljava | Oh that's cool. | 00:40 |
| falktx | ok, basic info added now: | 01:20 |
| falktx | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/KXStudio:Applications:Klaudia | 01:20 |
| ailo | falktx, The licensing part for the applications shown in Kladia does not seem right | 10:39 |
| ailo | "open source" is not a license | 10:39 |
| ailo | Or even a type of license | 10:39 |
| falktx | ailo: "license" might not be the best string there | 10:41 |
| falktx | ailo: it's just to say wherever it's open, freeware, shareware or demo | 10:42 |
| ailo | falktx, "open source" will not tell you if it's free or not. That's what I mean | 10:42 |
| falktx | ailo: ah, yes, but what can I use then? | 10:43 |
| falktx | GPL, LGPL, BSD, etc is no go, user will be very confused | 10:44 |
| ailo | falktx, You could use "free" | 10:45 |
| falktx | ailo: there is already freeware | 10:47 |
| falktx | freeware != open | 10:47 |
| ailo | falktx, Not freeware. License type = free | 10:48 |
| ailo | Free as in free speach | 10:48 |
| falktx | ailo: I believe opensource it's better. there is not a single "open but not free" in there | 10:48 |
| ailo | falktx, It's not correct though | 10:48 |
| falktx | yes, but users will understand | 10:49 |
| ailo | falktx, You'd rather use slang? | 10:49 |
| falktx | this is a too technical situation a small app like this should not care about | 10:49 |
| falktx | maybe I should change the string "license" | 10:49 |
| falktx | release model? | 10:50 |
| ailo | falktx, I think you are creating misinformation, even when you want to do something good | 10:50 |
| ailo | misinformation is never a good thing | 10:50 |
| falktx | ailo: please help me pick a new string to replace "license" then | 10:51 |
| falktx | "release model" sounds good to me | 10:51 |
| ailo | falktx, It might be better to use a symbol that represents "<something> approved" as a link, that shows what sort of licenses those are | 10:51 |
| ailo | I mean, the link could open a dialog, or a web page where all licenses are explained | 10:52 |
| falktx | really? | 10:52 |
| ailo | falktx, Why not? | 10:52 |
| falktx | isn't that just too much? | 10:52 |
| falktx | ailo: the webpage explains it | 10:52 |
| falktx | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/KXStudio:Applications:Klaudia | 10:52 |
| ailo | falktx, But not correctly | 10:53 |
| falktx | I just have to change the "license" name | 10:53 |
| falktx | ailo: imagine if that field had writen "release model", would it be fine then? | 10:53 |
| ailo | falktx, Out of respect for the licenses, I would really take care to inform the user correctly on those | 10:53 |
| ailo | Why not use <license>+"kx-approved" that points to a link. In the link you explain kx-approved means the license is free as in free speach. And then you give a list of all licenses that are kx-approved. | 10:56 |
| ailo | GPL "KX approved" | 10:56 |
| falktx | ailo: but then freeware is not a license as well | 10:56 |
| ailo | falktx, That's true | 10:57 |
| falktx | so I guess I need to change that string anyway | 10:57 |
| ailo | falktx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open_source_software | 10:59 |
| ailo | "FOSS" | 10:59 |
| ailo | Or "FLOSS" | 10:59 |
| falktx | again | 10:59 |
| falktx | ailo: but then freeware is not a license as well | 11:00 |
| falktx | I can change opensource to FLOSS, but my guess is that some people don't know what it is | 11:00 |
| falktx | newbies... | 11:00 |
| ailo | falktx, Just provide a link | 11:01 |
| ailo | Takes 1 min to find out | 11:01 |
| falktx | what if the user has no internet atm? | 11:01 |
| falktx | this means an internal dialog, more work for me... | 11:02 |
| falktx | license should not be explained, users usually don't care if it's open or not, just that it works | 11:02 |
| falktx | being open it's just like a bonus in this case I guess | 11:03 |
| ailo | falktx, Can't say I approve of your lazy attitude towards these quite important details | 11:05 |
| falktx | ailo: the thing is, I don't really believe this is *that* important | 11:06 |
| ailo | falktx, I can see that | 11:06 |
| falktx | I only added that field because I added some non-free content to my repos, otherwise it will all be free | 11:07 |
| falktx | ailo: what about this: | 11:07 |
| falktx | license -> Free & Open Source | 11:07 |
| ailo | falktx, "Free & Open Source" is grouping two categories together | 11:08 |
| ailo | One of them free, one of them open source | 11:08 |
| ailo | And some are of course both | 11:08 |
| ailo | Or, I guess, free is always open source | 11:08 |
| ailo | But open source is not always free | 11:08 |
| falktx | ailo: see^ this is what I'm talking about | 11:09 |
| falktx | a small app like this should not confuse users with this | 11:09 |
| falktx | I think I'll stick with 'release model' | 11:09 |
| ailo | falktx, FLOSS is a correct term. You can write it as "FLOSS (free)" | 11:10 |
| falktx | if the user wants to know more, he can check the website | 11:10 |
| ailo | falktx, The website is not explaining it correctly either | 11:10 |
| falktx | ailo: yes yes, I'm saying cause I'll fix it | 11:10 |
| ailo | falktx, Sorry, I was wrong about one thing though. "Free and Open Source" == FOSS | 11:22 |
| falktx | ailo: I think you understand that is a too much technical matter that most users don't care about much | 11:23 |
| falktx | even I | 11:23 |
| falktx | I don't care if it's BSD, GPL, LGPL or whatever, as long as it's open | 11:24 |
| ailo | falktx, You have a responsibility to inform them correctly | 11:24 |
| ailo | falktx, The user does not care of course. | 11:24 |
| ailo | Anyway, I'm not a license expert | 11:25 |
| ailo | falktx, If you would use loose terms, that are non-technical, I would use "free" and "non-free" | 11:26 |
| falktx | ailo: I want to inform the user about the license, in 4 ways possible: | 11:26 |
| falktx | free & open source | 11:27 |
| falktx | free but closed | 11:27 |
| falktx | closed, demo but functional | 11:27 |
| falktx | closed, demo restricted | 11:27 |
| falktx | ailo: ^ this is the 4 "licenses" I show to the user currently | 11:27 |
| * astraljava grumbles | 13:20 | |
| astraljava | Anyone got an oneiric system up and running, up-to-date as well? | 13:20 |
| falktx | I never even tried | 13:33 |
| falktx | too many changes in oneiric | 13:33 |
| falktx | specially multilib | 13:34 |
| astraljava | Yeah okay. | 13:34 |
| astraljava | It seems I have to wait until tomorrow to see why we're having these sick and twisted dependencies and packages in the first place drawn into our image. | 13:34 |
| falktx | maybe an alpha iso is good, I doubt current/live ISOs are installable | 13:34 |
| astraljava | falktx: I'm not looking into a usable system, but something that could query the package database, as package.u.c is conveniently not working right now, and I'm definitely not going to install now over this 3G when I can wait until tomorrow for a real line. | 13:36 |
| astraljava | I can, but I wouldn't want to. :) | 13:36 |
| ailo | astraljava, I'm on oneiric | 13:44 |
| ailo | astraljava, What do you need? | 13:44 |
| ailo | bbs | 13:46 |
| astraljava | ailo: I'll have to compile all the suspicious packages into a list, and then see where they come from. But it's gonna take some time. | 13:55 |
| astraljava | TheMuso: What does that "No space left on device" mean? What device? | 13:56 |
| astraljava | TheMuso: Sorry, I'll elaborate. our daily failed to build, and it looks like that's the reason. | 13:58 |
| ScottL | astraljava, oh, that is unfortunate news as i was downloading the latest daily image | 15:35 |
| ScottL | astraljava, are you actually in correspondence with luke or do your queries remain unanswered? | 15:38 |
| ScottL | 15:41 | |
| ScottL | astraljava, holstein, ailo: i would like for us to further consider a few points based on our conversation yesterday | 15:41 |
| holstein | sure... whats up? | 15:42 |
| ScottL | i believe we agreed that our target audience should be people unfamiliar with linux and/or recording music | 15:42 |
| holstein | yeah, the new user, for the most part | 15:42 |
| ScottL | but this will require a commitment from each of us | 15:42 |
| ScottL | a perfect plan without effort will still fail | 15:43 |
| ScottL | i would like to see what we can accomplish in this direction until at least the next LTS version | 15:44 |
| ScottL | but i would feel more comfortable about our station if others are in agreement, both in body and spirit :) | 15:44 |
| holstein | ScottL: you mean with the new user plan? | 15:45 |
| holstein | i mean, we're not going to break it for the savvy folk | 15:45 |
| holstein | is there opposition to this? | 15:45 |
| holstein | you say cory doesnt argree? | 15:45 |
| holstein | agree* | 15:45 |
| ScottL | that is a multifaceted question | 15:47 |
| ScottL | i _think_ that cory may not agree with this audience | 15:47 |
| holstein | and thats fine | 15:48 |
| holstein | right? | 15:48 |
| ScottL | he is certainly entitled to his opinion | 15:48 |
| ScottL | but others others appear to support this audience | 15:48 |
| ScottL | i _think_ cory would prefer that we move to the "ppa method" | 15:48 |
| holstein | i can get with that too | 15:49 |
| ScottL | i am unsure why he appears to desire as he does *shrug* | 15:49 |
| holstein | but, not now | 15:49 |
| holstein | its too late | 15:49 |
| holstein | i mean, its never too late... | 15:49 |
| holstein | but, we did already decide to release | 15:49 |
| ScottL | my previous statement is based on previous conversations as long as a year ago | 15:49 |
| holstein | unless we are all in agreement | 15:49 |
| * falktx - although busy, wants to tell that he wants to help too | 15:50 | |
| ScottL | our mantra should be how can we best serve the user, in terms of what is being provided and what we _can_ provide | 15:50 |
| ScottL | thanks falktx :) you are amazing by the way, brilliant | 15:50 |
| holstein | i think the new user struggles with parts of the installer | 15:51 |
| falktx | hehe, ScottL, you rock sir | 15:51 |
| holstein | also, i think its unclear how similar ubuntu and ubuntustudio are | 15:51 |
| falktx | holstein: US should have a wiki! | 15:51 |
| falktx | a good wiki | 15:51 |
| holstein | falktx: lol... thats all we got is wiki's | 15:51 |
| falktx | not the one Ubuntu provides | 15:51 |
| ScottL | holstein, an intro that launched directly after installation would help explain some convinient facts for new people | 15:51 |
| falktx | holstein: I mean, the website itself should have a built-in wiki | 15:52 |
| holstein | the new user doesnt know about them... thats another issue | 15:52 |
| falktx | ScottL: oh oh, I can easilt make that | 15:52 |
| falktx | but then, so as ailo | 15:52 |
| holstein | i see bascially 3 users in #ubuntustudio | 15:52 |
| falktx | ScottL: what about a wizard like app with screenshots? | 15:52 |
| holstein | the normal user with questions about JACK or whatever | 15:52 |
| holstein | then, the guys that dont know how the installer works | 15:53 |
| ScottL | falktx is a possibility | 15:53 |
| holstein | 3rd at the somewhat savvy ubuntu users setting up a dualboot | 15:53 |
| holstein | they dont understand that the packages are the same | 15:53 |
| ScottL | holstein, what if we eliminated the installer | 15:53 |
| ScottL | ? | 15:53 |
| holstein | ScottL: thats what im thinking, and proposing | 15:53 |
| falktx | ScottL: that is very easy to do with Qt, and you can program it with a gui | 15:53 |
| holstein | no installer... just packages to add | 15:54 |
| holstein | no installer issues, or maintanance | 15:54 |
| falktx | heh, US needs an ISO... | 15:54 |
| holstein | arguably a more consistent experience | 15:54 |
| ScottL | a last point that cory may or may not agree with is that we (the team) have not maintained the development momentum to complete our goal | 15:54 |
| holstein | ScottL: i thought that was cory's point in the email | 15:55 |
| holstein | we are not going to make the iso goal | 15:55 |
| ScottL | we may not | 15:55 |
| ScottL | that is ture | 15:55 |
| holstein | like now... the iso is broken | 15:55 |
| ScottL | true | 15:55 |
| holstein | i dont know jack about how to fix it | 15:55 |
| holstein | and cant help at all | 15:56 |
| ScottL | holstein, i believe astraljava is trying to actively look into the broken iso currently | 15:56 |
| holstein | and thats great, but should that be one persons responsibiliy? | 15:56 |
| holstein | can we maintain that? | 15:56 |
| holstein | this is what i mean when i say all we do is put out fires | 15:56 |
| ScottL | i do not know that it will require constant attention | 15:57 |
| holstein | if we didnt build an iso, we could maybe focus on other more manageable tasks | 15:57 |
| ScottL | we are certainly suffering to effects of significant changes to the seeds | 15:57 |
| ScottL | i would not expect that will be a common occurrence for every phase of every cycle | 15:58 |
| holstein | and just have a community spin or 2 hosted on the site | 15:58 |
| ScottL | holstein, then we would need to develop other means to build the images then | 15:58 |
| holstein | yup | 15:58 |
| holstein | falktx could have one, you make one | 15:58 |
| holstein | whatever... | 15:58 |
| ScottL | i've also been thinking about studio bugs... | 15:58 |
| holstein | no official image | 15:58 |
| holstein | i think that 'respin' idea might get folks into US more | 15:59 |
| ScottL | most aren't ours, we could easily be aggressive and change who is responsible on the bug | 15:59 |
| holstein | if a community poped up around it | 15:59 |
| ScottL | but this will not support new users though, holstein | 15:59 |
| falktx | hm, sorry, but I really think stop making an ISO is a really bad idea | 15:59 |
| holstein | ScottL: they will add the packages | 15:59 |
| holstein | and they have more options as far as images to try out | 15:59 |
| ScottL | ubuntu is known to be friendly and accessible for new users | 16:00 |
| falktx | I really appreciatte a light US system that contains good stuff | 16:00 |
| holstein | falktx: i agree, actually... but, if we cant do it, we cant do it | 16:00 |
| ScottL | we have inherent branding on this then | 16:00 |
| ScottL | holstein, i think we can | 16:00 |
| holstein | me too | 16:00 |
| ScottL | we have squandered months of this cycle not aggressively fixing things | 16:00 |
| ScottL | i don't think the system is broken or the idea is unjust...i just think WE failed | 16:00 |
| holstein | but, theres an email that says "we are not releasing an iso" | 16:00 |
| ScottL | myself most of all | 16:00 |
| holstein | i think that needs to be addressed | 16:01 |
| ScottL | holstein, do you mean cory's email? | 16:01 |
| holstein | yup | 16:01 |
| ScottL | i thought that it said we were considering not releasing it | 16:01 |
| falktx | we should at least try | 16:02 |
| falktx | damn, what is so wrong with the iso that it doesn't even build? | 16:02 |
| holstein | Producing a Ubuntu Studio install disk must stop. Even now, in the | 16:02 |
| holstein | middle of a cycle. | 16:02 |
| ScottL | falktx, i agree that we should still support the ISO images | 16:02 |
| falktx | holstein: why do you think so? | 16:03 |
| ScottL | falktx, i would speak with astraljava about the images, he has more experience and first hand knowledge about this particular breakage | 16:03 |
| holstein | falktx: thats from the email | 16:03 |
| holstein | i think we can make an iso | 16:03 |
| falktx | oh, right | 16:03 |
| holstein | i just want to transition to a live installer | 16:03 |
| falktx | live installer would be tricky | 16:03 |
| falktx | and is not possible at this point | 16:03 |
| falktx | we need custom artwork, text, and send them to the ubiquity team at least | 16:04 |
| falktx | some new package "ubiquity-ubuntustudio" would be required | 16:04 |
| holstein | falktx: this doesnt have to happen right now, for sure | 16:06 |
| ailo | I would like to help with the iso. I've only just begun reading about how that works though. But, anything I can do to help, just let me know | 16:06 |
| ScottL | holstein, astraljava , ailo , falktx : cory's email does require a response from at least some of us | 16:07 |
| ScottL | if only to say that some people DO support keeping the ISO images working | 16:07 |
| ScottL | i will also respond later | 16:07 |
| holstein | i decided not to respond, but i can... | 16:08 |
| * falktx adds to the TODO | 16:08 | |
| ailo | I'm still wondering about what the problem is with the iso, and if anyone is qualified to handle that properly | 16:09 |
| ailo | As long as we have one person who knows how to make it work, that should be enough | 16:10 |
| falktx | yep | 16:11 |
| falktx | I have no idea how Ubuntu makes those isos... :( | 16:11 |
| holstein | ok... im out... | 16:11 |
| ScottL | holstein, as long as we keep it civil and uninflammatory | 16:12 |
| ScottL | on the mailing list | 16:12 |
| holstein | i think i did alright | 16:12 |
| ailo | Looks good to me holstein | 16:12 |
| ScottL | ailo, the problems with the ISO might just be dependencies or it could be some anomalies derived from within the build process | 16:13 |
| ScottL | ailo, however i would suggest that if other alternate build are being built correctly then it is probably the former | 16:13 |
| ailo | ScottL, How much are we able to change concerning package selection at this point? | 16:14 |
| ailo | ScottL, If it's a matter of broken dependencies, something to do with gnome2, or obsolete software, we should be able to solve that pretty quickly, no? | 16:15 |
| ScottL | ailo, my understanding is that we have a considerable amount of autonomy for our packages | 16:21 |
| ScottL | therefore i would say that if we can identify the problem we can correct the situation without reproach | 16:22 |
| ScottL | although that latitude might diminish the closer we approach the release candidate | 16:24 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Did you get the email regarding the build of dailies? I'm not still very sure how to read them, but it seems that the amd64 version was fine. I believe Luke has been sleeping for a while now, but will probably reply when up again. | 16:49 |
| astraljava | The deal with the .iso currently isn't particularily rocket science. What it needs is daily care, that's all. Something I haven't been able to do, but will hopefully be from now on. | 16:55 |
| astraljava | Images are built almost every day, so you make changes to the seeds, and see during the following night how they worked. | 16:56 |
| astraljava | Also, you can setup the procedure on your own machine, and I plan to do that during next week. | 16:56 |
| astraljava | It's obviously not 100% similar to the builders @ Canonical, but close. | 16:57 |
| astraljava | I haven't felt doing it so far, while missing a real broadband line, | 16:58 |
| astraljava | but as I'm getting one tomorrow, then that's another problem solved. | 16:58 |
| astraljava | However, taking up the live-cd job, like was already suggested, is gonna take a lot more work. | 16:59 |
| astraljava | Granted, there are three alphas every cycle, and two betas, plus countless dailies. | 16:59 |
| astraljava | So in theory, once you (okay me, maybe someone else, ailo perhaps?) read about how that is done, it shouldn't be too hard either. | 17:00 |
| astraljava | Regarding the commitment on the devel cycle, ScottL is right. That's something that needs to be happening, or we don't release. Now I know that we can decide not to release anyway, too. | 17:01 |
| astraljava | And that's fine. We can do that. | 17:01 |
| astraljava | However, the one after this is the LTS. We _want_ those out. | 17:01 |
| astraljava | IMNSHO we should practice now, so we get it right for the LTS. | 17:02 |
| astraljava | I thiny my monologue is over, for now. | 17:03 |
| astraljava | think* | 17:03 |
| ailo | astraljava, I'll have a look at that tomorrow. I would like to set up that on my own machine. | 17:03 |
| astraljava | ailo: I'll be looking at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement | 17:11 |
| ScottL | astraljava, ailo, holstein: we might need to make adjustments to priorities and expectations for the next LTS release | 17:58 |
| ScottL | it is possible that we may not be positioned to make 12.04 (the LTS release) a live dvd | 17:59 |
| ScottL | i say this since we are still working on integrating the xfce transition | 17:59 |
| ScottL | it might be possible in the next two months to complete the integration but i do not have confidence at this point that we will | 17:59 |
| ScottL | and we might spend appreciable time in 12.04 to complete this | 18:00 |
| ScottL | astraljava, i haven't looked at the email at this point about the cd image but i shall this afternoon | 18:00 |
| astraljava | ScottL: The only big thing about it was just the "No space left on device" part, and I'm assuming that's got nothing to do with us, really. | 18:30 |
| astraljava | Otherwise it looks like the images are there, but I don't wanna try to download until tomorrow. | 18:31 |
| holstein | i started adding to the wiki page cory made | 18:46 |
| holstein | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/NewStudio | 18:46 |
| falktx | holstein: needs some syntax fixes | 18:50 |
| ailo | Again, there's a notion that we won't need a custom kernel | 19:00 |
| ailo | Which sounds great, if it's true | 19:01 |
| holstein | ailo: i added that | 19:48 |
| holstein | about the kernel | 19:48 |
| holstein | i'll believe it when i see it... personally | 19:49 |
| ailo | holstein, As long as -generic is not able to deliver fool-proof low latency, I don't see how we can survive without a custom kernel | 19:50 |
| holstein | ailo: its still down the road for sure | 19:50 |
| holstein | i just dont think we need to take kernel creation and maintenance to an extreme since its probaly going to be ok for use to just use the -generic one soon | 19:51 |
| holstein | debian is already doing that | 19:51 |
| ailo | holstein, What do you mean, debian is already doing that? | 19:51 |
| holstein | ailo: debian has no realtime kernel | 19:53 |
| holstein | the debian multimedia team | 19:53 |
| ailo | holstein, They never had | 19:53 |
| holstein | ailo: i thought they did... | 19:53 |
| * holstein shrugs | 19:53 | |
| ailo | I need to try some testing with -generic and changing the cpu governor settings | 19:55 |
| ailo | I'm not expecting any miracles though | 19:55 |
| ailo | holstein, -lowlatency is far from extreme. | 19:55 |
| holstein | several OSMP'ers are using -generic | 19:55 |
| holstein | say its going well... even firewire users... | 19:56 |
| holstein | im still on -realtime in lucid | 19:56 |
| ailo | holstein, We need facts to proof anything. So far, the numbers speak clearly agains -generic | 19:57 |
| ailo | -lowlatency is -generic, but with a few extra configs | 19:57 |
| holstein | i really started to take notice with one particular USB device i have that works *so* much better with -generic | 19:58 |
| holstein | its odd | 19:58 |
| holstein | but, thats not what i find with firewire | 19:58 |
| ailo | holstein, Did you try with -lowlatency? | 19:58 |
| ailo | The older kernels are starting to be really old | 19:58 |
| ailo | Anything older than 2.6.38 doesn't count | 19:59 |
| ailo | In my book | 19:59 |
| ailo | Or, 2.6.39 really | 19:59 |
| ailo | Since it introduced the rtirq thing | 19:59 |
| ailo | holstein, On Debian I tried the -generic. It sucked bigtime | 20:01 |
| ailo | On Squeeze | 20:01 |
| ailo | Then I built 2.6.38 from source, with -lowlatency config | 20:01 |
| ailo | Same as, or better than -realtime | 20:01 |
| holstein | ailo: i want to say yes | 20:02 |
| holstein | but its been a while | 20:02 |
| holstein | im pretty sure i have all 3 | 20:02 |
| holstein | maybe the PAE on that machine too | 20:02 |
| astraljava | Debian has -rt kernel in testing now: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-rt-amd64 | 20:03 |
| holstein | interesting | 20:05 |
| * astraljava hopes next week will be easier than the past few | 20:13 | |
| astraljava | I didn't get anything done that I was supposed to | 20:13 |
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