| micahg | \o/ oneiric lightdm doesn't work without unity greeter :P | 17:11 |
|---|---|---|
| pleia2 | oh dear | 17:11 |
| madnick | charlie said we are gonna use the unity greeter, but modified to display sessions in the panel | 17:14 |
| micahg | madnick: hmm, why not use the GTK greeter modifieD> | 17:15 |
| micahg | unity greeter depends on libindicate | 17:15 |
| madnick | micahg: I wanted to make a modified gtk greeter | 17:15 |
| madnick | but charlie wanted the unity one | 17:16 |
| micahg | eh, I suppose that we have the dependency already | 17:16 |
| madnick | when i looked at the unity greeter source | 17:16 |
| madnick | everything was pretty much hardcoded | 17:16 |
| madnick | i do not like that | 17:16 |
| micahg | right | 17:17 |
| madnick | the only things missing from the unity greeter in xubuntu is some stock icons, a bg and moving the session list to the panel | 17:18 |
| GridCube | hello people | 20:44 |
| GridCube | :) | 20:44 |
| GridCube | Today's my brother birthday so I wont be able to attend the meeting, please share my progress on the TOP 10 FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit | 20:47 |
| micahg | GridCube: thanks | 20:48 |
| GridCube | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es | 20:49 |
| GridCube | the first link was broken | 20:50 |
| GridCube | micahg, thanks :) | 20:53 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 64 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | live session auto-login works using today's images. | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you! whoever made that work. We also only have two sessions today, xfce and xubuntu. | 21:08 |
| * micahg thinks that was mr_pouit's upload of xubuntu-defailt-settings | 21:11 | |
| micahg | but unity-greeter is needed to login now :( | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | Even the encrypted whole drive install worked | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | Is that what we got now? | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | madnick is going to fix that, right? | 21:12 |
| micahg | no | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | no? unity-greeter? | 21:12 |
| micahg | well, we have lightdm-gtk-greeter seeded and I had seb128 fix the recommends so we would get the gtk greeter again, but unity-greeter seems to be hardcoded now | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | madnick is building us a xubuntu-greeter | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | I see | 21:13 |
| charlie-tca | seems like every step forward pushes us back again | 21:13 |
| * micahg isn't sure if we're just missing a conf file or if it's not customizable | 21:13 | |
| charlie-tca | I think we are missing a conf file. We are supposed to be able to replace unity-greeter with our own | 21:14 |
| charlie-tca | The difference from Friday's images to todays images is big! We got things working, at least | 21:14 |
| micahg | well, I can't look into it today, I need to catch up on work, I should be around for the meeting though | 21:15 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 21:15 |
| charlie-tca | I was going to skip today, but I guess I will be around too | 21:15 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: no, unity-greeter can not be hard coded. seb128 been following our lightdm bugs closely, and has assured me we can put our own settings in now and over-ride Ubuntu settings | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | I am seeing a different login screen today than friday, too. It has the old gdm user list centered on a dark blue background, instead of the all black background with the names offset to the left. | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: unity-greeter Installed: (none) | 21:43 |
| charlie-tca | fresh install using today's image | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | apt-cache policy lightdm-gtk-greeter Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu3 | 21:46 |
| micahg | yeah | 21:46 |
| micahg | I guess something's not right with my install then | 21:46 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, friday's images were bad, too, for that. They were using unity-greeter | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | The problem is, when they change these files around, they do not fix the "already installed" user base files | 21:48 |
| madnick | meeting time? :) | 22:01 |
| micahg | o/ | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | oops | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 22:01 |
| charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sun Aug 14 22:02:21 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | #link The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | I hope that works, anyway | 22:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Old business | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Team updates | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Bug Triage & Testing | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Website & Marketing | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Artwork | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Documentation | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Announcements | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Governance structure | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Any Other Business | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | #topic Old business | 22:04 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: Old business | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | * GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: update on this? | 22:04 |
| micahg | [15:49] <GridCube> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | Very nice! Thanks for working on those, GridCube | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you for the link, micahg | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | * madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work | 22:05 |
| GridCube | :) ok | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: update? | 22:05 |
| GridCube | i meant, you are welcome | 22:05 |
| madnick | Well | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | If you haven't heard yet, today's images are the ones to grab to see how lightdm is working for us | 22:05 |
| madnick | Im not sure, because you told me that we should pretty much use the unity greeter | 22:06 |
| charlie-tca | We no longer have unity-greeter, but are using lightdm-gtk-greeter today | 22:06 |
| ChristopherNG | hello | 22:06 |
| charlie-tca | oh, confusion then? | 22:06 |
| charlie-tca | hello, ChristopherNG | 22:06 |
| madnick | Well, the confusing is, should i modify that | 22:07 |
| madnick | Or should I wait for final words :) | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: if it is easier to take unity-greeter and rebuild it for us, you can do that. If it is easier to write your own, that is fine too | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | I leave it up to you. I will be happy with either solution. | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | I just don't want a stupid gear to click for sessions | 22:08 |
| madnick | Well, I can do either, I just need a good theme, Im working on a draft, but i really like knome or oschi to tell me where they stand on the matter | 22:08 |
| madnick | I know knome wanted to center the unity greeters login box | 22:09 |
| madnick | And I know you wanted to move / fix the session stuff | 22:09 |
| charlie-tca | Okay. That will be fine. Seeing that we just got something to work with, we should be able to get freeze exceptions to get it in, if we really need them. | 22:09 |
| madnick | Okay :) | 22:10 |
| madnick | .. | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | What do you think would be best? offset or centered? | 22:10 |
| madnick | Im not sure, I like the current style of it | 22:10 |
| madnick | The positions* | 22:10 |
| micahg | UI freeze is in a week and a half | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | Then you can put them there. We can change it if the users hate it for the next release. | 22:11 |
| madnick | Okay, ill set that up in the week that follows | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | Press on, put the list where you like it, but give me a sessions text please. | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | If knome don't like it, well, we can work with him on that. But I think you have a good grasp on it, and will let you build it for this release. | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | Go for it, please | 22:13 |
| madnick | okay, thanks :) | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | Any other comments or questions on old business? | 22:13 |
| ChristopherNG | Hello, I hate to say something because im very new here, I was actually at the last meeting but remained silent. | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead | 22:13 |
| ChristopherNG | I would like to confirm if xubuntu has an "add monitor" button like ubuntu and if not will it ever add one? | 22:13 |
| charlie-tca | where would it be? | 22:14 |
| ChristopherNG | display settings | 22:14 |
| ChristopherNG | i see it in ubuntu, never seen it for xubuntu | 22:14 |
| charlie-tca | Never seen it, maybe it is something from gnome instead of gtk | 22:14 |
| charlie-tca | We will not have one unless Xfce adds one to the settings panel | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | .. | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | #topic === Team updates === | 22:15 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: === Team updates === | 22:15 |
| charlie-tca | #topic ==== Packaging & Development ==== | 22:16 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ==== | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: Your turn, please | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: Got an update? | 22:17 |
| micahg | last week we got a few updates from Debian | 22:17 |
| micahg | mr_pouit uploaded a new xubuntu settings package | 22:17 |
| micahg | we still have a couple of transitions to do (dh_python2 and libssl) | 22:18 |
| charlie-tca | We have pastebinit seeded, right? | 22:18 |
| micahg | yep | 22:18 |
| charlie-tca | and the big questions, a few bugs still to work on: | 22:18 |
| micahg | we're at 700MB onthe i386 live ISO ATM | 22:18 |
| charlie-tca | Bug #799754 Please let vendors easily provide their own config | 22:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754 | 22:18 |
| charlie-tca | Is this fixed for us now? | 22:18 |
| micahg | idk | 22:19 |
| charlie-tca | Bug #799514 xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java - non-default repository | 22:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 799514 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799514 | 22:19 |
| charlie-tca | java is part of partners now, I don't know if we can add it to the package | 22:19 |
| charlie-tca | since partners is not enabled by default | 22:19 |
| micahg | so, there are 2 parts, right, adding sun-java is complicated for that reason | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | right | 22:20 |
| micahg | openjdk is in there right now though | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | yes | 22:20 |
| micahg | Ubuntu can't seed openjdk due to space | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | So we should be able to sign that bug off with that | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | We are close on space again. 386 desktop is now 700mb | 22:21 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: well, in theory, I guess we could at least suggest a partner package in xubuntu-restricted-extras, I didn't ask about that specifically | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | If partner is not turned on by default, the user will have to specifically add it or we will get a broken package report, won't we? | 22:22 |
| micahg | hmm, I don't think so, on a suggests it for sure won't be a problem, gmusicbrowser suggests a package we dropped from the archive | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | wait, if we provide openjdk, we don't need to provide sun java also | 22:23 |
| madnick | \o | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | We give the user one of those, not both | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, madnick | 22:23 |
| madnick | openjdk cannot really measure with sun-java | 22:23 |
| micahg | well, openjdk is already in the restricted-addons package, the question was to actually see it or not, the reporter thought that sun-java made more sense in a restricted addons metapakcage | 22:23 |
| micahg | s/see/seed/ | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | but it is considered a valid open source replacement | 22:24 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: that is wishlist then. I don't think we should seed sun java. | 22:24 |
| micahg | no, we wouldn't seed sun-java, we could seed openjdk if we had the space and desire to though | 22:24 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, let's get things settled down, and see if that is possible. | 22:25 |
| charlie-tca | If we don't get it for Oneiric, that's not a problem, though. | 22:25 |
| charlie-tca | and, my last bug: | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | Bug #789333 users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols - we are the fix team if we plan to use this for the gui settings. | 22:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 789333 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789333 | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | If we aren't fixing this, we need to remove menu item | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: any comment on this? | 22:27 |
| micahg | well, if we can't remove the dependency on the ported to GTK3 libraries, we'd have to drop it in favor of something else (if it exists) | 22:27 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 22:27 |
| micahg | or upload another copy of the GTK2 versions of those libs | 22:28 |
| charlie-tca | If nothing else exists, then users will have to use the CLI | 22:28 |
| charlie-tca | Any other comments or questions for Development? | 22:29 |
| micahg | mythbuntu, ubuntustudio, and lubuntu are all in the same boat, we should probably have a collective meeting about it | 22:29 |
| charlie-tca | Good idea, but that takes you and mr_pouit, right? | 22:29 |
| * astraljava would probably attend as well | 22:30 | |
| micahg | + gilir, superm1, scottl | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | oh, and let's not forget, astraljava would like to help with development too | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, who is going to set that up? | 22:31 |
| micahg | hmm, I probably should I guess | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333 | 22:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333 | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 789333 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789333 | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, include astraljava | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | #topic ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== | 22:33 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | We got working images! | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | Very hard to test things when we don't get images all week | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | today's images appear to be working fully. | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | Any body that can test these this next week, please do so. We need to find out now what is working and what is broken. | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: is plymouth ready to add to the images? | 22:35 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: yes and no: | 22:35 |
| madnick | oschi did not like it 100% knome said he'd think of something, but i have not recvied any word on it | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | We got to have that next week | 22:36 |
| charlie-tca | I can't throw a new plymouth out for final, and then find out it don't work for most users | 22:36 |
| madnick | perhaps we could get people to look into what they think | 22:36 |
| madnick | Oh, it works technically | 22:36 |
| madnick | Its artistically they dont like it | 22:36 |
| madnick | well, "Not like", they wanted to change the progress bar | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | Well, I would lean more to what ochosi thought at this point. | 22:37 |
| madnick | Problem is that ochosi is away | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | okay, let's wait for them to do something. If we don't get them to decide, though, it may wind up waiting for the next release. | 22:38 |
| madnick | Okay, it be too bad, because its just a little detail :( | 22:39 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but a little detail is holding it up for at least two weeks already, right? | 22:39 |
| madnick | Yes, unfortunetly | 22:39 |
| charlie-tca | I still can't get it to work here, except for shutdown | 22:39 |
| madnick | Well, that is a plymouth problem, in that plymouth application itself, not sure if there is anything to do about that | 22:40 |
| madnick | The script I wrote works on all machines that usually get a splash | 22:40 |
| madnick | We are several versions behind on plymouth also | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | !info plymouth | 22:41 |
| ubottu | plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu23 (natty), package size 110 kB, installed size 476 kB | 22:41 |
| charlie-tca | !info plymouth oneiric | 22:42 |
| ubottu | plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu25 (oneiric), package size 119 kB, installed size 500 kB | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | Those aren't the latest, huh? | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | 0.8.2 | 22:42 |
| madnick | Hm | 22:43 |
| madnick | Now Im unsure about that | 22:43 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, try and get those two artists to give you something. I need this plymouth package ready by the next meeting | 22:43 |
| madnick | okay | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | I think ochosi is back Monday, but I am unsure | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | Does anyone besides me find the bug tracker at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot handy? | 22:44 |
| charlie-tca | I seem to find myself looking at that daily | 22:45 |
| astraljava | Looks handy indeed. Just didn't know about it until now. | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | #topic ==== Website & Marketing ==== | 22:45 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: ==== Website & Marketing ==== | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2, knome : any update? | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | #topic === Announcements === | 22:46 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: === Announcements === | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-22 at 19:00 UTC | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * Important dates coming up: | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : In effect as of August 11, 2011 at 21:00 UTC | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * 11.10 BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24. | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/ | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | Thik I covered all the important ones there | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | s/thik/think | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | #topic === Xubuntu Governance === | 22:47 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: === Xubuntu Governance === | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | === Xubuntu Governance === | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Governance_.26_Team_Structure | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | Since I have gotten a couple of comments/questions concerning the proposed, the review period will run one more week. | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | #topic === Any Other Business === | 22:49 |
| meetingology | TOPIC: === Any Other Business === | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | anything can be brought up at this time. | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | Are there any comments or questions still out there? | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | I will thank each and every one of you for participating in this meeting. | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | We will meet again right here in one week. | 22:50 |
| micahg | err, 8 days :) | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | anything... | 22:50 |
| charlie-tca | um, okay, just over one week | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | anything at all? | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | Let's go get something done. | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 22:51 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Sun Aug 14 22:51:36 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:51 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-14-22.02.moin.txt | 22:51 |
| micahg | thanks charlie-tca | 22:51 |
| madnick | :) | 22:51 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 22:51 |
| astraljava | Wait, what? | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: I know, I know. getting pushy | 22:52 |
| astraljava | Sunday's not 22nd. | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | Should be Monday next time | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | Let's keep it a little bit confusing, right? ;) | 22:52 |
| astraljava | Hehe. :D | 22:52 |
| astraljava | Sure. | 22:53 |
| astraljava | Okay, off to bed. Later! | 22:53 |
| madnick | later | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | Good night | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit is back, but must be busy, I see he removed the away today. | 22:54 |
| ChristopherNG | is the meeting over? | 22:56 |
| madnick | yes | 22:56 |
| ChristopherNG | that was really short :( | 22:56 |
| * madnick is getting awesome download speed on todays images :) | 22:56 | |
| charlie-tca | rub it in... ;) | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | 386 alternate install gives a beautiful pink lightdm screen | 22:57 |
| ChristopherNG | its on charlie-tca you have all the hershey bars | 22:57 |
| ChristopherNG | ok* | 22:57 |
| madnick | Ill put this on my devstation, and start building the LDM greeter | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | at least 64bit had blue backgrounds | 22:57 |
| madnick | whats a aLinux? :) | 23:34 |
| * madnick files bug report | 23:34 | |
| charlie-tca | a what? | 23:38 |
| madnick | additonal drivers wants to install "support for aLinux host" | 23:39 |
| madnick | Just a typo | 23:39 |
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