[17:11] \o/ oneiric lightdm doesn't work without unity greeter :P [17:11] oh dear [17:14] charlie said we are gonna use the unity greeter, but modified to display sessions in the panel [17:15] madnick: hmm, why not use the GTK greeter modifieD> [17:15] unity greeter depends on libindicate [17:15] micahg: I wanted to make a modified gtk greeter [17:16] but charlie wanted the unity one [17:16] eh, I suppose that we have the dependency already [17:16] when i looked at the unity greeter source [17:16] everything was pretty much hardcoded [17:16] i do not like that [17:17] right [17:18] the only things missing from the unity greeter in xubuntu is some stock icons, a bg and moving the session list to the panel [20:44] hello people [20:44] :) [20:47] Today's my brother birthday so I wont be able to attend the meeting, please share my progress on the TOP 10 FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit [20:48] GridCube: thanks [20:49] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es [20:50] the first link was broken [20:53] micahg, thanks :) [20:56] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 64 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [21:08] live session auto-login works using today's images. [21:08] Thank you! whoever made that work. We also only have two sessions today, xfce and xubuntu. [21:11] * micahg thinks that was mr_pouit's upload of xubuntu-defailt-settings [21:11] but unity-greeter is needed to login now :( [21:11] Even the encrypted whole drive install worked [21:12] Is that what we got now? [21:12] madnick is going to fix that, right? [21:12] no [21:12] no? unity-greeter? [21:12] well, we have lightdm-gtk-greeter seeded and I had seb128 fix the recommends so we would get the gtk greeter again, but unity-greeter seems to be hardcoded now [21:12] madnick is building us a xubuntu-greeter [21:13] I see [21:13] seems like every step forward pushes us back again [21:13] * micahg isn't sure if we're just missing a conf file or if it's not customizable [21:14] I think we are missing a conf file. We are supposed to be able to replace unity-greeter with our own [21:14] The difference from Friday's images to todays images is big! We got things working, at least [21:15] well, I can't look into it today, I need to catch up on work, I should be around for the meeting though [21:15] Okay [21:15] I was going to skip today, but I guess I will be around too [21:20] micahg: no, unity-greeter can not be hard coded. seb128 been following our lightdm bugs closely, and has assured me we can put our own settings in now and over-ride Ubuntu settings [21:42] I am seeing a different login screen today than friday, too. It has the old gdm user list centered on a dark blue background, instead of the all black background with the names offset to the left. [21:43] micahg: unity-greeter Installed: (none) [21:44] fresh install using today's image [21:46] apt-cache policy lightdm-gtk-greeter Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu3 [21:46] yeah [21:46] I guess something's not right with my install then [21:47] Yeah, friday's images were bad, too, for that. They were using unity-greeter [21:48] The problem is, when they change these files around, they do not fix the "already installed" user base files [22:01] meeting time? :) [22:01] o/ [22:01] oops [22:01] sure [22:02] #startmeeting [22:02] Meeting started Sun Aug 14 22:02:21 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [22:02] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [22:02] #link The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:02] I hope that works, anyway [22:03] * Old business [22:03] * Team updates [22:03] * Packaging & Development [22:03] * Bug Triage & Testing [22:03] * Website & Marketing [22:03] * Artwork [22:03] * Documentation [22:03] * Announcements [22:03] * Governance structure [22:03] * Any Other Business [22:03] Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait. [22:04] #topic Old business [22:04] TOPIC: Old business [22:04] * GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work [22:04] GridCube: update on this? [22:04] [15:49] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es [22:05] Very nice! Thanks for working on those, GridCube [22:05] Thank you for the link, micahg [22:05] * madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work [22:05] :) ok [22:05] madnick: update? [22:05] i meant, you are welcome [22:05] Well [22:05] If you haven't heard yet, today's images are the ones to grab to see how lightdm is working for us [22:06] Im not sure, because you told me that we should pretty much use the unity greeter [22:06] We no longer have unity-greeter, but are using lightdm-gtk-greeter today [22:06] hello [22:06] oh, confusion then? [22:06] hello, ChristopherNG [22:07] Well, the confusing is, should i modify that [22:07] Or should I wait for final words :) [22:07] madnick: if it is easier to take unity-greeter and rebuild it for us, you can do that. If it is easier to write your own, that is fine too [22:07] I leave it up to you. I will be happy with either solution. [22:08] I just don't want a stupid gear to click for sessions [22:08] Well, I can do either, I just need a good theme, Im working on a draft, but i really like knome or oschi to tell me where they stand on the matter [22:09] I know knome wanted to center the unity greeters login box [22:09] And I know you wanted to move / fix the session stuff [22:09] Okay. That will be fine. Seeing that we just got something to work with, we should be able to get freeze exceptions to get it in, if we really need them. [22:10] Okay :) [22:10] .. [22:10] What do you think would be best? offset or centered? [22:10] Im not sure, I like the current style of it [22:10] The positions* [22:11] UI freeze is in a week and a half [22:11] Then you can put them there. We can change it if the users hate it for the next release. [22:11] Okay, ill set that up in the week that follows [22:11] Press on, put the list where you like it, but give me a sessions text please. [22:12] If knome don't like it, well, we can work with him on that. But I think you have a good grasp on it, and will let you build it for this release. [22:13] Go for it, please [22:13] okay, thanks :) [22:13] Any other comments or questions on old business? [22:13] Hello, I hate to say something because im very new here, I was actually at the last meeting but remained silent. [22:13] go ahead [22:13] I would like to confirm if xubuntu has an "add monitor" button like ubuntu and if not will it ever add one? [22:14] where would it be? [22:14] display settings [22:14] i see it in ubuntu, never seen it for xubuntu [22:14] Never seen it, maybe it is something from gnome instead of gtk [22:15] We will not have one unless Xfce adds one to the settings panel [22:15] .. [22:15] #topic === Team updates === [22:15] TOPIC: === Team updates === [22:16] #topic ==== Packaging & Development ==== [22:16] TOPIC: ==== Packaging & Development ==== [22:16] mr_pouit: Your turn, please [22:17] micahg: Got an update? [22:17] last week we got a few updates from Debian [22:17] mr_pouit uploaded a new xubuntu settings package [22:18] we still have a couple of transitions to do (dh_python2 and libssl) [22:18] We have pastebinit seeded, right? [22:18] yep [22:18] and the big questions, a few bugs still to work on: [22:18] we're at 700MB onthe i386 live ISO ATM [22:18] Bug #799754 Please let vendors easily provide their own config [22:18] Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754 [22:18] Is this fixed for us now? [22:19] idk [22:19] Bug #799514 xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java - non-default repository [22:19] Launchpad bug 799514 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799514 [22:19] java is part of partners now, I don't know if we can add it to the package [22:19] since partners is not enabled by default [22:20] so, there are 2 parts, right, adding sun-java is complicated for that reason [22:20] right [22:20] openjdk is in there right now though [22:20] yes [22:20] Ubuntu can't seed openjdk due to space [22:20] So we should be able to sign that bug off with that [22:21] We are close on space again. 386 desktop is now 700mb [22:21] charlie-tca: well, in theory, I guess we could at least suggest a partner package in xubuntu-restricted-extras, I didn't ask about that specifically [22:22] If partner is not turned on by default, the user will have to specifically add it or we will get a broken package report, won't we? [22:22] hmm, I don't think so, on a suggests it for sure won't be a problem, gmusicbrowser suggests a package we dropped from the archive [22:23] wait, if we provide openjdk, we don't need to provide sun java also [22:23] \o [22:23] We give the user one of those, not both [22:23] go ahead, madnick [22:23] openjdk cannot really measure with sun-java [22:23] well, openjdk is already in the restricted-addons package, the question was to actually see it or not, the reporter thought that sun-java made more sense in a restricted addons metapakcage [22:23] s/see/seed/ [22:24] but it is considered a valid open source replacement [22:24] micahg: that is wishlist then. I don't think we should seed sun java. [22:24] no, we wouldn't seed sun-java, we could seed openjdk if we had the space and desire to though [22:25] Yes, let's get things settled down, and see if that is possible. [22:25] If we don't get it for Oneiric, that's not a problem, though. [22:26] and, my last bug: [22:26] Bug #789333 users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols - we are the fix team if we plan to use this for the gui settings. [22:26] Launchpad bug 789333 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789333 [22:26] If we aren't fixing this, we need to remove menu item [22:27] mr_pouit: any comment on this? [22:27] well, if we can't remove the dependency on the ported to GTK3 libraries, we'd have to drop it in favor of something else (if it exists) [22:27] yup [22:28] or upload another copy of the GTK2 versions of those libs [22:28] If nothing else exists, then users will have to use the CLI [22:29] Any other comments or questions for Development? [22:29] mythbuntu, ubuntustudio, and lubuntu are all in the same boat, we should probably have a collective meeting about it [22:29] Good idea, but that takes you and mr_pouit, right? [22:30] * astraljava would probably attend as well [22:30] + gilir, superm1, scottl [22:30] oh, and let's not forget, astraljava would like to help with development too [22:31] Okay, who is going to set that up? [22:32] hmm, I probably should I guess [22:32] [ACTION] micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333 [22:32] ACTION: micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333 [22:32] Launchpad bug 789333 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789333 [22:33] Okay, include astraljava [22:33] #topic ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== [22:33] TOPIC: ==== Bug Triage & Testing ==== [22:33] We got working images! [22:34] Very hard to test things when we don't get images all week [22:34] today's images appear to be working fully. [22:34] Any body that can test these this next week, please do so. We need to find out now what is working and what is broken. [22:35] madnick: is plymouth ready to add to the images? [22:35] charlie-tca: yes and no: [22:35] oschi did not like it 100% knome said he'd think of something, but i have not recvied any word on it [22:35] okay [22:36] We got to have that next week [22:36] I can't throw a new plymouth out for final, and then find out it don't work for most users [22:36] perhaps we could get people to look into what they think [22:36] Oh, it works technically [22:36] Its artistically they dont like it [22:37] well, "Not like", they wanted to change the progress bar [22:37] Well, I would lean more to what ochosi thought at this point. [22:37] Problem is that ochosi is away [22:38] okay, let's wait for them to do something. If we don't get them to decide, though, it may wind up waiting for the next release. [22:39] Okay, it be too bad, because its just a little detail :( [22:39] yes, but a little detail is holding it up for at least two weeks already, right? [22:39] Yes, unfortunetly [22:39] I still can't get it to work here, except for shutdown [22:40] Well, that is a plymouth problem, in that plymouth application itself, not sure if there is anything to do about that [22:40] The script I wrote works on all machines that usually get a splash [22:41] We are several versions behind on plymouth also [22:41] !info plymouth [22:41] plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu23 (natty), package size 110 kB, installed size 476 kB [22:42] !info plymouth oneiric [22:42] plymouth (source: plymouth): graphical boot animation and logger - main package. In component main, is required. Version 0.8.2-2ubuntu25 (oneiric), package size 119 kB, installed size 500 kB [22:42] Those aren't the latest, huh? [22:42] 0.8.2 [22:43] Hm [22:43] Now Im unsure about that [22:43] Okay, try and get those two artists to give you something. I need this plymouth package ready by the next meeting [22:44] okay [22:44] I think ochosi is back Monday, but I am unsure [22:44] Does anyone besides me find the bug tracker at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot handy? [22:45] I seem to find myself looking at that daily [22:45] Looks handy indeed. Just didn't know about it until now. [22:45] #topic ==== Website & Marketing ==== [22:45] TOPIC: ==== Website & Marketing ==== [22:45] pleia2, knome : any update? [22:46] #topic === Announcements === [22:46] TOPIC: === Announcements === [22:46] * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-22 at 19:00 UTC [22:46] * Important dates coming up: [22:46] * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : In effect as of August 11, 2011 at 21:00 UTC [22:46] * 11.10 BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC [22:46] * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC [22:47] * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011 [22:47] * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24. [22:47] * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/ [22:47] Thik I covered all the important ones there [22:47] s/thik/think [22:47] #topic === Xubuntu Governance === [22:47] TOPIC: === Xubuntu Governance === [22:47] === Xubuntu Governance === [22:48] * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Governance_.26_Team_Structure [22:48] Since I have gotten a couple of comments/questions concerning the proposed, the review period will run one more week. [22:49] #topic === Any Other Business === [22:49] TOPIC: === Any Other Business === [22:49] anything can be brought up at this time. [22:49] Are there any comments or questions still out there? [22:50] I will thank each and every one of you for participating in this meeting. [22:50] We will meet again right here in one week. [22:50] err, 8 days :) [22:50] anything... [22:51] um, okay, just over one week [22:51] lol [22:51] anything at all? [22:51] Let's go get something done. [22:51] #endmeeting [22:51] Meeting ended Sun Aug 14 22:51:36 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) [22:51] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-14-22.02.moin.txt [22:51] thanks charlie-tca [22:51] :) [22:51] Thank you [22:52] Wait, what? [22:52] madnick: I know, I know. getting pushy [22:52] Sunday's not 22nd. [22:52] Should be Monday next time [22:52] Let's keep it a little bit confusing, right? ;) [22:52] Hehe. :D [22:53] Sure. [22:53] Okay, off to bed. Later! [22:53] later [22:53] Good night [22:54] mr_pouit is back, but must be busy, I see he removed the away today. [22:56] is the meeting over? [22:56] yes [22:56] that was really short :( [22:56] * madnick is getting awesome download speed on todays images :) [22:56] rub it in... ;) [22:57] 386 alternate install gives a beautiful pink lightdm screen [22:57] its on charlie-tca you have all the hershey bars [22:57] ok* [22:57] Ill put this on my devstation, and start building the LDM greeter [22:57] at least 64bit had blue backgrounds [23:34] whats a aLinux? :) [23:34] * madnick files bug report [23:38] a what? [23:39] additonal drivers wants to install "support for aLinux host" [23:39] Just a typo