[17:11] <micahg> \o/ oneiric lightdm doesn't work without unity greeter :P
[17:11] <pleia2> oh dear
[17:14] <madnick> charlie said we are gonna use the unity greeter, but modified to display sessions in the panel
[17:15] <micahg> madnick: hmm, why not use the GTK greeter modifieD>
[17:15] <micahg> unity greeter depends on libindicate
[17:15] <madnick> micahg: I wanted to make a modified gtk greeter
[17:16] <madnick> but charlie wanted the unity one
[17:16] <micahg> eh, I suppose that we have the dependency already
[17:16] <madnick> when i looked at the unity greeter source
[17:16] <madnick> everything was pretty much hardcoded
[17:16] <madnick> i do not like that
[17:17] <micahg> right
[17:18] <madnick> the only things missing from the unity greeter in xubuntu is some stock icons, a bg and moving the session list to the panel
[20:44] <GridCube> hello people
[20:44] <GridCube> :)
[20:47] <GridCube> Today's my brother birthday so I wont be able to attend the meeting, please share my progress on the TOP 10 FAQ  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit
[20:48] <micahg> GridCube: thanks
[20:49] <GridCube> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es
[20:50] <GridCube> the first link was broken
[20:53] <GridCube> micahg, thanks :)
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 64 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:08] <charlie-tca> live session auto-login works using today's images.
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Thank you! whoever made that work. We also only have two sessions today, xfce and xubuntu.
[21:11]  * micahg thinks that was mr_pouit's upload of xubuntu-defailt-settings
[21:11] <micahg> but unity-greeter is needed to login now :(
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Even the encrypted whole drive install worked
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Is that what we got now?
[21:12] <charlie-tca> madnick is going to fix that, right?
[21:12] <micahg> no
[21:12] <charlie-tca> no? unity-greeter?
[21:12] <micahg> well, we have lightdm-gtk-greeter seeded and I had seb128 fix the recommends so we would get the gtk greeter again, but unity-greeter seems to be hardcoded now
[21:12] <charlie-tca> madnick is building us a xubuntu-greeter
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I see
[21:13] <charlie-tca> seems like every step forward pushes us back again
[21:13]  * micahg isn't sure if we're just missing a conf file or if it's not customizable
[21:14] <charlie-tca> I think we are missing a conf file. We are supposed to be able to replace unity-greeter with our own 
[21:14] <charlie-tca> The difference from Friday's images to todays images is big! We got things working, at least
[21:15] <micahg> well, I can't look into it today, I need to catch up on work, I should be around for the meeting though
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Okay
[21:15] <charlie-tca> I was going to skip today, but I guess I will be around too
[21:20] <charlie-tca> micahg: no, unity-greeter can not be hard coded. seb128 been following our lightdm bugs closely, and has assured me we can put our own settings in now and over-ride Ubuntu settings
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I am seeing a different login screen today than friday, too. It has the old gdm user list centered on a dark blue background, instead of the all black background with the names offset to the left.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> micahg: unity-greeter Installed: (none) 
[21:44] <charlie-tca> fresh install using today's image
[21:46] <charlie-tca> apt-cache policy lightdm-gtk-greeter Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu3
[21:46] <micahg> yeah
[21:46] <micahg> I guess something's not right with my install then
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Yeah, friday's images were bad, too, for that. They were using unity-greeter
[21:48] <charlie-tca> The problem is, when they change these files around, they do not fix the "already installed" user base files
[22:01] <madnick> meeting time? :)
[22:01] <micahg> o/
[22:01] <charlie-tca> oops
[22:01] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[22:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Aug 14 22:02:21 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[22:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[22:02] <charlie-tca> #link The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:02] <charlie-tca> I hope that works, anyway
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[22:03] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[22:03] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[22:03] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[22:03] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[22:03] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[22:04] <charlie-tca> #topic Old business
[22:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: Old business
[22:04] <charlie-tca> * GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - In-work
[22:04] <charlie-tca> GridCube: update on this?
[22:04] <micahg> [15:49] <GridCube> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HyhsMPDyyN-mRWRujfZX3JuKX9aWFQPWsxMEiJX99gQ/edit?hl=es
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Very nice! Thanks for working on those, GridCube 
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you for the link, micahg 
[22:05] <charlie-tca>  * madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter - In-work
[22:05] <GridCube> :) ok
[22:05] <charlie-tca> madnick: update? 
[22:05] <GridCube> i meant, you are welcome
[22:05] <madnick> Well
[22:05] <charlie-tca> If you haven't heard yet, today's images are the ones to grab to see how lightdm is working for us
[22:06] <madnick> Im not sure, because you told me that we should pretty much use the unity greeter 
[22:06] <charlie-tca> We no longer have unity-greeter, but are using lightdm-gtk-greeter today
[22:06] <ChristopherNG> hello
[22:06] <charlie-tca> oh, confusion then?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> hello, ChristopherNG 
[22:07] <madnick> Well, the confusing is, should i modify that
[22:07] <madnick> Or should I wait for final words :)
[22:07] <charlie-tca> madnick: if it is easier to take unity-greeter and rebuild it for us, you can do that. If it is easier to write your own, that is fine too
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I leave it up to you. I will be happy with either solution.
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I just don't want a stupid gear to click for sessions
[22:08] <madnick> Well, I can do either, I just need a good theme, Im working on a draft, but i really like knome or oschi to tell me where they stand on the matter
[22:09] <madnick> I know knome wanted to center the unity greeters login box
[22:09] <madnick> And I know you wanted to move / fix the session stuff
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Okay. That will be fine. Seeing that we just got something to work with, we should be able to get freeze exceptions to get it in, if we really need them.
[22:10] <madnick> Okay :)
[22:10] <madnick> ..
[22:10] <charlie-tca> What do you think would be best? offset or centered?
[22:10] <madnick> Im not sure, I like the current style of it
[22:10] <madnick> The positions*
[22:11] <micahg> UI freeze is in a week and a half
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Then you can put them there. We can change it if the users hate it for the next release.
[22:11] <madnick> Okay, ill set that up in the week that follows
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Press on, put the list where you like it, but give me a sessions text please.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> If knome don't like it, well, we can work with him on that. But I think you have a good grasp on it, and will let you build it for this release. 
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Go for it, please
[22:13] <madnick> okay, thanks :)
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Any other comments or questions on old business?
[22:13] <ChristopherNG> Hello, I hate to say something because im very new here, I was actually at the last meeting but remained silent.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[22:13] <ChristopherNG> I would like to confirm if xubuntu has an "add monitor" button like ubuntu and if not will it ever add one?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> where would it be?
[22:14] <ChristopherNG> display settings
[22:14] <ChristopherNG> i see it in ubuntu, never seen it for xubuntu
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Never seen it, maybe it is something from gnome instead of gtk
[22:15] <charlie-tca> We will not have one unless Xfce adds one to the settings panel
[22:15] <charlie-tca> ..
[22:15] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:16] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:16] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Your turn, please
[22:17] <charlie-tca> micahg: Got an update?
[22:17] <micahg> last week we got a few updates from Debian
[22:17] <micahg> mr_pouit uploaded a new xubuntu settings package
[22:18] <micahg> we still have a couple of transitions to do (dh_python2 and libssl)
[22:18] <charlie-tca> We have pastebinit seeded, right?
[22:18] <micahg> yep
[22:18] <charlie-tca> and the big questions, a few bugs still to work on:
[22:18] <micahg> we're at 700MB onthe i386 live ISO ATM
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Bug #799754 Please let vendors easily provide their own config
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Is this fixed for us now?
[22:19] <micahg> idk
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Bug #799514 xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java - non-default repository
[22:19] <charlie-tca> java is part of partners now, I don't know if we can add it to the package
[22:19] <charlie-tca> since partners is not enabled by default
[22:20] <micahg> so, there are 2 parts, right, adding sun-java is complicated for that reason
[22:20] <charlie-tca> right
[22:20] <micahg> openjdk is in there right now though
[22:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:20] <micahg> Ubuntu can't seed openjdk due to space
[22:20] <charlie-tca> So we should be able to sign that bug off with that 
[22:21] <charlie-tca> We are close on space again. 386 desktop is now 700mb
[22:21] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, in theory, I guess we could at least suggest a partner package in xubuntu-restricted-extras, I didn't ask about that specifically
[22:22] <charlie-tca> If partner is not turned on by default, the user will have to specifically add it or we will get a broken package report, won't we?
[22:22] <micahg> hmm, I don't think so, on a suggests it for sure won't be a problem, gmusicbrowser suggests a package we dropped from the archive
[22:23] <charlie-tca> wait, if we provide openjdk, we don't need to provide sun java also
[22:23] <madnick> \o
[22:23] <charlie-tca> We give the user one of those, not both
[22:23] <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick 
[22:23] <madnick> openjdk cannot really measure with sun-java
[22:23] <micahg> well, openjdk is already in the restricted-addons package, the question was to actually see it or not, the reporter thought that sun-java made more sense in a restricted addons metapakcage
[22:23] <micahg> s/see/seed/
[22:24] <charlie-tca> but it is considered a valid open source replacement
[22:24] <charlie-tca> micahg: that is wishlist then. I don't think we should seed sun java.
[22:24] <micahg> no, we wouldn't seed sun-java, we could seed openjdk if we had the space and desire to though
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Yes, let's get things settled down, and see if that is possible. 
[22:25] <charlie-tca> If we don't get it for Oneiric, that's not a problem, though.
[22:26] <charlie-tca> and, my last bug:
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Bug #789333 users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols - we are the fix team if we plan to use this for the gui settings.
[22:26] <charlie-tca> If we aren't fixing this, we need to remove menu item
[22:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any comment on this?
[22:27] <micahg> well, if we can't remove the dependency on the ported to GTK3 libraries, we'd have to drop it in favor of something else (if it exists)
[22:27] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:28] <micahg> or upload another copy of the GTK2 versions of those libs
[22:28] <charlie-tca> If nothing else exists, then users will have to use the CLI
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Any other comments or questions for Development?
[22:29] <micahg> mythbuntu, ubuntustudio, and lubuntu are all in the same boat, we should probably have a collective meeting about it
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Good idea, but that takes you and mr_pouit, right?
[22:30]  * astraljava would probably attend as well
[22:30] <micahg> + gilir, superm1, scottl
[22:30] <charlie-tca> oh, and let's not forget, astraljava would like to help with development too
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Okay, who is going to set that up?
[22:32] <micahg> hmm, I probably should I guess
[22:32] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333
[22:32] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg will set up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Okay, include astraljava 
[22:33] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:33] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:33] <charlie-tca> We got working images!
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Very hard to test things when we don't get images all week
[22:34] <charlie-tca> today's images appear to be working fully. 
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Any body that can test these this next week, please do so. We need to find out now what is working and what is broken.
[22:35] <charlie-tca> madnick: is plymouth ready to add to the images?
[22:35] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes and no:
[22:35] <madnick> oschi did not like it 100% knome said he'd think of something, but i have not recvied any word on it
[22:35] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:36] <charlie-tca> We got to have that next week
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I can't throw a new plymouth out for final, and then find out it don't work for most users 
[22:36] <madnick> perhaps we could get people to look into what they think
[22:36] <madnick> Oh, it works technically
[22:36] <madnick> Its artistically they dont like it
[22:37] <madnick> well, "Not like", they wanted to change the progress bar
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Well, I would lean more to what ochosi thought at this point. 
[22:37] <madnick> Problem is that ochosi is away
[22:38] <charlie-tca> okay, let's wait for them to do something. If we don't get them to decide, though, it may wind up waiting for the next release.
[22:39] <madnick> Okay, it be too bad, because its just a little detail :(
[22:39] <charlie-tca> yes, but a little detail is holding it up for at least two weeks already, right?
[22:39] <madnick> Yes, unfortunetly
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I still can't get it to work here, except for shutdown
[22:40] <madnick> Well, that is a plymouth problem, in that plymouth application itself, not sure if there is anything to do about that
[22:40] <madnick> The script I wrote works on all machines that usually get a splash
[22:41] <madnick> We are several versions behind on plymouth also
[22:41] <charlie-tca> !info plymouth
[22:42] <charlie-tca> !info plymouth oneiric
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Those aren't the latest, huh?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> 0.8.2
[22:43] <madnick> Hm
[22:43] <madnick> Now Im unsure about that
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Okay, try and get those two artists to give you something. I need this plymouth package ready by the next meeting
[22:44] <madnick> okay
[22:44] <charlie-tca> I think ochosi is back Monday, but I am unsure
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Does anyone besides me find the bug tracker at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot handy?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> I seem to find myself looking at that daily
[22:45] <astraljava> Looks handy indeed. Just didn't know about it until now.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:45] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:45] <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome : any update?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:46] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:46] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-22 at 19:00 UTC
[22:46] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:46] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : In effect as of August 11, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[22:46] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 BetaFreeze: Aug 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[22:46] <charlie-tca>   * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011 at 21:00 UTC
[22:47] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:47] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[22:47] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Thik I covered all the important ones there
[22:47] <charlie-tca> s/thik/think
[22:47] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:47] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:47] <charlie-tca> [22:48] <charlie-tca>  * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu_Governance_.26_Team_Structure
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Since I have gotten a couple of comments/questions concerning the proposed, the review period will run one more week. 
[22:49] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:49] <meetingology> TOPIC: [22:49] <charlie-tca> anything can be brought up at this time. 
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Are there any comments or questions still out there?
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I will thank each and every one of you for participating in this meeting.
[22:50] <charlie-tca> We will meet again right here in one week.
[22:50] <micahg> err, 8 days :)
[22:50] <charlie-tca> anything...
[22:51] <charlie-tca> um, okay, just over one week
[22:51] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:51] <charlie-tca> anything at all?
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Let's go get something done. 
[22:51] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[22:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Aug 14 22:51:36 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[22:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-14-22.02.moin.txt
[22:51] <micahg> thanks charlie-tca 
[22:51] <madnick> :)
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:52] <astraljava> Wait, what?
[22:52] <charlie-tca> madnick: I know, I know. getting pushy
[22:52] <astraljava> Sunday's not 22nd.
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Should be Monday next time
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Let's keep it a little bit confusing, right? ;)
[22:52] <astraljava> Hehe. :D
[22:53] <astraljava> Sure.
[22:53] <astraljava> Okay, off to bed. Later!
[22:53] <madnick> later
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Good night
[22:54] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is back, but must be busy, I see he removed the away today.
[22:56] <ChristopherNG> is the meeting over?
[22:56] <madnick> yes
[22:56] <ChristopherNG> that was really short :(
[22:56]  * madnick is getting awesome download speed on todays images :)
[22:56] <charlie-tca> rub it in... ;)
[22:57] <charlie-tca> 386 alternate install gives a beautiful pink lightdm screen
[22:57] <ChristopherNG> its on charlie-tca you have all the hershey bars
[22:57] <ChristopherNG> ok*
[22:57] <madnick> Ill put this on my devstation, and start building the LDM greeter
[22:57] <charlie-tca> at least 64bit had blue backgrounds
[23:34] <madnick> whats a aLinux? :)
[23:34]  * madnick files bug report
[23:38] <charlie-tca>  a what?
[23:39] <madnick> additonal drivers wants to install "support for aLinux host" 
[23:39] <madnick> Just a typo