[02:40] <ScottK> debfx: Should be able to in a bit.
[03:06] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[03:06] <ScottK> rbelem: pong.
[03:07] <rbelem> ScottK, i need some help with dh7 :-)
[03:07] <ScottK> What's up?
[03:07] <rbelem> ScottK, how do i pass parameter to cmake?
[03:08] <rbelem> ScottK, i want to pass -DBUILD_HANDSET=TRUE
[03:08] <ScottK> Let me find an example.
[03:09] <ScottK> rbelem: Look at debian/rules in kdeadmin.
[03:09] <rbelem> thx :-)
[03:09] <ScottK> Specifically the override_dh_auto_configure: bit.
[03:12] <rbelem> ScottK, thank you very much :-D
[03:12] <ScottK> rbelem: You're welcome.
[04:02] <rbelem> yofel, i just uploaded the plasma-mobile package to revu
[04:03]  * rbelem goes to bed
[04:18] <ScottK> debfx: Done.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[04:32] <ScottK> yofel: What's your plan for kde-workspace?
[05:22] <markey> ulmlogger is sleeping here in Mamarok's bed (with her). he's about the only man I'm comfortable with doing that ;)
[05:23] <markey> as I snore too much, I got the luxury of using my own bed, without sharing it with ulmlogger 
[05:24] <markey> and I will bring ulmlogger to lunch into our cafeteria, then he can get to know my manager :)
[05:39] <Tm_T> ok
[08:12] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: there is a new binary plasma-tablet :P
[08:12] <ulmlogger> that one does not crash
[08:13] <ulmlogger> curious that plasma-mobile is installed when the handset ui is not built
[08:22] <bambee> morning
[08:31] <ulmlogger> ScottK, rbelem: the runtime patches to activitymanager are not particularly regression save :S
[09:10] <debfx> ScottK: thanks. could you also take care of uploading pykde4 from bzr?
[09:18] <Quintasan> Good morning
[09:19]  * bambee is packing touchegg
[09:22]  * Quintasan is marking kwin-gles as postponed
[09:24] <Quintasan> bambee: Tell me if you want me to review
[09:24] <bambee> Quintasan: for touchegg ? ok
[09:24] <bambee> sure
[09:24] <Quintasan> rbelem: Great. Too bad we won't be able to do anything with it until we have upgraded kde-workspace :S
[09:29] <bambee> Use of uninitialized value $arch in substitution (s///) at /usr/bin/dpkg-source line 255.
[09:29] <bambee> Use of uninitialized value $arch in sprintf at /usr/bin/dpkg-source line 256.
[09:29] <bambee> o_O
[09:59] <bambee> Quintasan: do I send touchegg on revu?
[09:59] <bambee> (it's useful to review something)
[10:00] <Quintasan> bambee: If it is a new package then you send it to REVU
[10:00] <bambee> Quintasan: ok
[10:05] <bambee> Quintasan: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9206
[10:07] <bambee> oh wait
[10:07] <bambee> there is an error into debian/copyright
[10:10] <bambee> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg
[10:25] <Quintasan> bambee: I: touchegg source: binary-control-field-duplicates-source field "section" in package touchegg
[10:25] <Quintasan> bambee: The GNU General Public License is mentioned in debian/copyright but there seems to be no copy of it included in the source tarball, which is a requirement for it. 
[10:27] <bambee> oh damnit
[10:27] <Quintasan> Either poke upstream to include it and re-release the tarball or do a repack
[10:29] <bambee> I will repack the tarball and poke upstream
[10:37] <yofel> ScottK: I was taking a look at how the abi manager works, but for that I need to be able to actually testbuild this, for which we need to fix the archive build failure first
[10:38] <yofel> ScottK: if we really can't get this to work, can we dump the abi manager for libkwineffects? I mean, kwin is the only application in the archive that actually uses it currently.
[10:40] <debfx> yofel: kde-workspace should build once qtwebkit-source 2.2~2011week27-0ubuntu2 is published
[10:41] <yofel> ok, thanks
[10:48] <debfx> yofel: is qt4-perl and perlqt the same thing?
[10:48] <yofel> debfx: qt4-perl is old and replaced by perlqt
[10:49] <debfx> so it's a different upstream?
[10:49] <yofel> well, not really, IIRC qt4-perl came from kdebindings too, it's just that it was built seperately
[10:52] <debfx> ok, I just want to make sure that we use the same source name as Debian
[10:54] <yofel> I did give them the links to our perl packaging a few days ago, not sure if they even started yet
[11:10] <Quintasan> yofel: Or *wait* for MoDaX to add multiple CMake targets support :P
[11:11] <yofel> he hasn't yet said when he'll do that
[11:12] <Quintasan> I don't think he even said he would do it
[11:16] <yofel> well, he probably will /eventually/
[11:26] <bulldog98> yofel: keyboard
[11:26] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: ok thanks
[11:35] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: where is this binary?
[11:35] <ulmlogger> built by plasma-mobile
[11:55] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: in the ppa? or do I have to compile it by hand?
[11:56] <rbelem> ulmlogger, heya
[11:58] <rbelem> hey yofel 
[11:58] <rbelem> :-)
[11:59] <rbelem> yofel, what needs to be done in kde-workspace?
[11:59] <yofel> GLES
[12:00] <rbelem> :-/
[12:01] <bulldog98> Riddell: where do you have the code of your bzr dolphin plugin?
[12:02] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: I thought you already have it built ?!?!??!
[12:03] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: what exactly works for you?
[12:03] <rbelem> yofel, do you have changes for kdelibs and kde-runtime? ulmlogger asked me to make some changes to them
[12:03] <yofel> I'll look at it in a bit, doing something else ATM
[12:04] <rbelem> ulmlogger, what do you mean with regression save?
[12:04] <rbelem> yofel, oki ;-)
[12:04] <CIA-52> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110815120402-8besok801c7wmr7j * (env env/50lowfat debian/kubuntu-low-fat-settings.install) add env setting script
[12:08] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: plasma-tablet
[12:09] <felimwhiteley> in case it's of interest that Akonadi error killing my machine (ate all 8GB of memory and CPU maxed out) was only solved doing what this guy did http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2011/05/msg00046.html
[12:09] <ulmlogger> rbelem: well, there is plenty of changes to kactivitymanager in the runtime patches
[12:09] <felimwhiteley> all working again... no idea how/why it was erroring
[12:09] <ulmlogger> the manager is also used by plasma-desktop
[12:10] <ulmlogger> so since those changes are quite invasive there is no way of telling whether something will break in the desktop
[12:10] <ulmlogger> which is a bit scar
[12:10] <ulmlogger> y
[12:10] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: k
[12:10] <rbelem> bulldog98, revu has the latest plasma-mobile pkg
[12:11] <rbelem> wow! google bought motorola mobility :-O
[12:11] <bulldog98> rbelem: is it working?
[12:11] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup
[12:12] <rbelem> bulldog98, and it creates the links
[12:12] <rbelem> bulldog98, and build handset
[12:13]  * bulldog98 is really enjoying good news :)
[12:13] <rbelem> bulldog98, i upstreamed some ftbfs patches and only one still in the debian/patches dir
[12:14]  * bulldog98 hugs rbelem
[12:14] <rbelem> :-D
[12:14]  * rbelem hugs back bulldog98 
[12:15]  * bulldog98 hugs ulmlogger, yofel, markey, Mamarok, shadeslayer, debfx, ScottK, Riddell, rbelem and everybody else doing good work
[12:16] <rbelem> :-D
[12:17]  * rbelem pokes ulmlogger 
[12:17] <ulmlogger> yus?
[12:23] <rbelem> ulmlogger, what do you mean with regression save?
[12:23] <rbelem> ulmlogger, and what is ulm? :-D
[12:25] <bulldog98> rbelem: where is the PPA it is in. Also it is developed in git
[12:25] <rbelem> bulldog98, oh! i did not uploaded to the ppa yet
[12:26] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will do it right now
[12:26] <bulldog98> great
[12:28] <rbelem> bulldog98, i just uploaded
[12:29] <rbelem> bulldog98, new share-like-connect uploaded too
[12:33] <rbelem> ScottK, i got "Version older than that in the archive. 0.0~svn20110814-0ubuntu1 <= 0.2~git20110811.084553-0ubuntu0~ppa2
[12:33] <rbelem> is there a way to force?
[12:37] <rbelem> Quintasan, ^ 
[12:42] <debfx> yofel: have you found any other packages that are missing from the packageset?
[12:42] <debfx> so far I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/666459/
[12:45] <yofel> debfx: all of the bindings, so I think add perlqt to the list, perlkde is in universe. Other than that, no
[12:46] <yofel> rbelem: where are you uploading that to?
[12:47] <rbelem> yofel, to ~kubuntu-active
[12:47] <rbelem> yofel, i deleted the version that was there
[12:47] <yofel> ok, then give it a few minutes, should work then
[12:48] <yofel> rbelem: actuall, it got accepted
[12:48] <yofel> *actually
[12:48] <yofel> rbelem: I'm not sure why you have svn in the version though
[12:48] <rbelem> :-)
[12:48] <yofel> rbelem: also, you didn't add ~ppa1 to the version
[12:49] <rbelem> yofel, we kept svn there just to make version compatible with the previous
[12:49] <rbelem> yofel, hum... i will do that next time, sorry :-(
[12:50] <bambee> re
[12:51] <rbelem> yofel, do you have some free time? :-D
[12:51] <yofel> right now, no :/
[12:52] <markey> Harald Sitter is sitting next to me, doing his usual nerd stuff
[12:52] <debfx> ok, I've requested a packageset update
[12:52] <debfx> yofel: have you tested the new icecc? should we sync it?
[12:52] <yofel> debfx: is it up? I didn't check today yet
[12:52]  * yofel looks
[12:52] <debfx> in debian, yes
[12:53] <yofel> debfx: yes, that one will work, please sync ASAP
[12:53]  * rbelem is still dizzy with google buying motorola
[12:55] <yofel> rbelem: your plasma-mobile package failed to build
[12:56] <yofel> rbelem: add shared-desktop-ontologies to build-deps
[12:59] <ScottK> rbelem: No.
[13:05] <bulldog98> rbelem: rename the version to ~git20110814+HASH-0ubuntu0~ppa1
[13:06] <yofel> bulldog98: that won't quite work, although rbelem can use ~svngit... like the network package does
[13:06] <bulldog98> yofel: it will cause 20110814 is greater than 20110811
[13:07] <rbelem> should i change from svn to git?
[13:08] <bulldog98> rbelem: yes it would be good if you’d use git, but that will make the version number smaller than the current one
[13:08] <bulldog98> yofel: ideas?
[13:10] <CIA-52> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110815131014-sjxukg2382yvcd67 * (6 files in 5 dirs) move env to etc, somehow env is not particularly well suited for setting env variables .. fun
[13:11] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: you have to copy that env setting into the $HOME/.kde/env folder
[13:12] <ulmlogger> no
[13:12] <yofel> bulldog98: but 'git' is lower than 'svn'
[13:12] <ulmlogger> /usr/env is also searched
[13:12] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: ok
[13:12] <bulldog98> yofel: I suggest naming it 0.0.0~git…
[13:14] <yofel> bulldog98: looks odd but would work
[13:14] <ulmlogger> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/826744
[13:15] <bulldog98> yofel: they’ll release soon, so it would change as soon as they release
[13:15] <rbelem> bulldog98, isnt it lower than the current one?
[13:15] <yofel> bulldog98: but as I said, plasma-widget-networkmanagement uses ~svngit
[13:15] <yofel> why not just do the same?
[13:16] <yofel> rbelem: er no, 0.0 << 0.0.0
[13:16] <bulldog98> rbelem: no because .something is greater than ~svn
[13:16] <ScottK> bulldog98: Dont use git hash as it doesn't always get bigger.
[13:16] <bulldog98> yofel: cause we’ll forget to change that into ~git if a release comes out
[13:16] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Looking.
[13:16] <yofel> ScottK: we use the hash after the date
[13:17] <bulldog98> ScottK: the date in the version is more important the hash is only to indicate the commit
[13:17] <yofel> bulldog98: well, true
[13:17] <bambee> Quintasan: done , http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg
[13:18] <ScottK> bulldog98 and yofel: Hash should go in changelog, not version string.
[13:18] <ulmlogger> bambee: blimey, I actually had packaging lying around for touchegg ^^
[13:18] <rbelem> yofel, i will use the svngit. looks weird but works
[13:18] <yofel> ScottK: hm, ok
[13:19] <bulldog98> yofel, ScottK but still I prefer seeing it in the first go
[13:19] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Will this need a metapackage too?
[13:19] <bambee> ulmlogger: really?
[13:19] <ulmlogger> ScottK: no
[13:19] <ScottK> bulldog98: It's not part of the version.  It's really an abuse of the version string to add it there.
[13:19] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Thanks.
[13:19] <bulldog98> ScottK: maybe we should set up a wiki page explaining how to name git/svn snapshots
[13:19] <ulmlogger> ScottK: the idea is that the user can simply install that bugger on whatever meta-system he has and get generally not too useful features turned off without much hassle
[13:20] <bulldog98> ScottK: ok
[13:20] <ulmlogger> bambee: yeah
[13:20]  * bulldog98 is off for an 1 h or 2
[13:20] <ulmlogger> bambee: also I talked to jose about missing copying and stuff
[13:20] <bambee> nice
[13:20] <ulmlogger> also he plans to merge touchegg with some gnome thing or something
[13:20] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Approved.
[13:20] <ulmlogger> thx
[13:21] <ulmlogger> bambee: also I'd favor depending on pkg-kde-tools and use the lzma compression from there
[13:21] <ScottK> ulmlogger: ping me when you've uploaded and I'll New it.
[13:21] <CIA-52> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110815132145-b7z20m7flynidunl * debian/changelog Initial release (LP: #826744)
[13:22] <bambee> ulmlogger: actually this package doesn't use pkg-kde-tools
[13:22] <ulmlogger> ScottK: should be in new in a couple of minutes
[13:23] <ulmlogger> bambee: yes
[13:23] <ulmlogger> BUT
[13:23] <ScottK> OK.  Let's see if I can remember that long.
[13:23] <ulmlogger> pkg-kde-tools also contains a non-kde dependent helper for lzma
[13:23] <bambee> (I love when you say that, you know :D)
[13:23] <ulmlogger> and that is what you should be using
[13:23] <bambee> oh
[13:23] <bambee> ok
[13:24] <ulmlogger> bambee: http://markmail.org/message/o5pzrtmwhp65arpg
[13:25] <ulmlogger> rbelem: is share-like-connect in the archive already?
[13:25] <bambee> woo! nice
[13:25] <rbelem> ulmlogger, i dont think so
[13:26] <rbelem> ulmlogger, it needs that kdelibs
[13:26] <ulmlogger> ah, ok
[13:31] <CIA-52> [kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 373 * debian/patches/ (7 files) fix patch naming
[13:35] <CIA-52> [kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 374 * debian/changelog fix changelog
[13:39] <ScottK> ulmlogger: compat 7, build-depends debhelper 8  which is correct?
[13:40] <yofel> ulmlogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs-active-4.7/+merge/71555 for the kdelibs stuff
[13:41] <CIA-52> [kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 375 * debian/control description fix
[13:45] <ScottK> ulmlogger: It looks like you're replacing some stuff in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings.  Is this on purpose/
[13:46] <CIA-52> [kde-runtime] Philip Muškovac * 223 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) * Added plasma-active patches * Added activitymanager files to install files
[13:50] <yofel> ulmlogger: and the runtime stuff https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7/+merge/71557
[13:51] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Would it make more sense to extend kubuntu_108_plasma_netbook_for_small_screens.diff in kde-workspace rather than have kubuntu-lowfat install stuff in /etc?
[13:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: Why no kwin-opengl-es package (re specs)?
[13:53] <yofel> ScottK: we won't have on until we either fix or drop the abi manager
[13:54] <ScottK> OK.  I think it's premature to mark it POSTPONED.
[13:54] <yofel> s/on/one
[13:55] <ulmlogger> ScottK: could but that would be rubbish IMHO
[13:55] <ulmlogger> I am not even so sure why the patch is there
[13:56] <ScottK> Part of it is to extend the environment.
[13:56] <ScottK> Most of it is for first run with plasma-netbook on netbooks since upstream has still not provided a way to do this.
[13:57] <ScottK> ulmlogger: I think the stuff you've got in share/apps/plasma/layout-templates/ shouldn't be there.
[13:59] <CIA-52> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110815135908-czlfkrz6y1hokoi0 * share/ (9 files in 8 dirs) ditch plasma stuff
[14:01] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Can you fix the compat/debhelper requirement difference too?
[14:10] <CIA-52> [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110815141027-0pilipq88sdr6mtv * debian/compat align compat with debhelper builddep
[14:14] <ScottK> ulmlogger: I'll reject the one that's there and you can re-upload ubuntu1.
[14:26] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Accepted.
[14:27] <ulmlogger> ScottK: thx
[14:28]  * ulmlogger waves fist about how dist-upgrade broke his plasma-tablet
[14:28] <ulmlogger> ScottK: do we have a mobile kernel yet?
[14:29] <ScottK> ulmlogger: Ask mpoirier.  If you didn't upload anything, I'm pretty sure not.
[14:29] <ulmlogger> we are doomed
[14:29] <rbelem> :-D
[14:31] <cmagina-afk> is this a known issue or is something broken on my oneiric install? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/666548/
[14:34] <ScottK> ulmlogger: lowfat binary accepted too.
[14:35] <bambee> is it possible to ask debuild to create a debian.tar.xz instead of debian.tar.gz for packages rules?
[14:36] <bambee> (it works perfectly with the orig tarball but not with the debian.tgz tarball o_O)
[14:36] <ulmlogger> bambee: yes
[14:36] <ulmlogger> you can use -Zxz or -Zlzma
[14:36] <ulmlogger> though it makes more sense to ditch an option into debian/source/
[14:36] <ulmlogger> though I can't remember the option
[14:37] <ulmlogger> bambee: plus I am not sure launchpad actually accepts those
[14:37] <bambee> we could add an override rule into debian/rules... no?
[14:38] <ulmlogger> no
[14:38] <ulmlogger> debian/source/format is where that goes
[14:39] <ulmlogger> dpkg-source gives a bean about debian/rules
[14:39] <debfx> ulmlogger, ScottK: could one of you upload pykde4 from bzr?
[14:39] <ulmlogger> ah
[14:39] <bambee> yeah but you said that lp does not accept it :)
[14:39] <ulmlogger> bambee: debian/source/options
[14:40] <bambee> oh
[14:40]  * bambee checks
[14:40] <ulmlogger> compression = "bzip2"
[14:40] <ulmlogger>          compression-level = 9
[14:40] <ulmlogger> or lzma or xz
[14:40] <bambee> <3
[14:40] <ulmlogger> also
[14:40] <ulmlogger> RTFM]
[14:40] <ulmlogger> uman:dpkg-source
[14:41] <bambee> I did not wait your advice to search on google ^^
[14:41] <ulmlogger> ScottK: debfx: doing tablet work right now and will get groceries with mark in a bit, so I'll not get to it within the next couple of hours
[14:41] <bambee> however I did not look at man
[14:41]  * bambee blames himself
[14:52]  * ulmlogger blames bulldog98
[14:57] <ulmlogger> rbelem: ScottK: so, after looking at the runtime patches again I'd land them but then test the activities in plasma-desktop a lot
[14:57] <ScottK> ulmlogger: OK.  How about kdelibs?
[14:58] <rbelem> ulmlogger, :-D
[14:58] <ScottK> Should we make a separate kdelibs-experimental-dev for the experimental headers?
[14:59] <rbelem> ScottK, i dont think so
[14:59] <ScottK> Do we needs -libs patches?
[15:00] <rbelem> ScottK, kdelibs, yup
[15:00] <ScottK> Any new headers/.so?
[15:00] <rbelem> ScottK, new headers and so
[15:01] <ScottK> There's no binary compatibility guarantees for those, so it can't go in the existing packages.
[15:02] <ulmlogger> ScottK: kdelibs is fine though I already mailed rbelem some complaints about the non visibility of the experimental status
[15:03]  * ulmlogger thought Quintasan and yofel already reviewed the packaging though :P
[15:03]  * ulmlogger waves fist and rebuilds stuff
[15:03] <rbelem> ulmlogger, yofel made some changes and i will make the changes that you asked on top of that
[15:05] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What package are we talking about?
 Quintasan: I don't think it is technically possible. SOVERSION property is cmake target specific after all
[15:05] <Quintasan> :/
[15:05] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[15:05] <ScottK> ulmlogger: OK.  I'd say let's do an FFe for the libs changes with a debdiff you can ack and then I'll approve.
[15:06] <ulmlogger> ScottK: sounds good to me
[15:07] <yofel> Quintasan: don't ask me, I can't even look at it without workspace building
[15:07]  * ScottK looks at pykde4
[15:07] <ulmlogger> yofel, Quintasan: simply inhibit the abimanager on second build?
[15:07] <Quintasan> yofel: Well, it's MoDaX we are talking about
[15:07] <yofel> ulmlogger: how?
[15:07] <Quintasan> That's what I was about to ask
[15:08] <ulmlogger> well, ask the modax :P
 just stop shipping the headers. there are so far no 3rd party fx anyways
[15:08] <Quintasan> ahahah ohwow.jpg
[15:08] <ulmlogger> UPSTREAM ASKED FOR THEM
[15:09] <ulmlogger> thy shal obey the mighty word of the upstreams
[15:09] <Quintasan> bambee: looking at touchegg
[15:10] <bambee> k
[15:10] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What package are we talking about?
[15:10] <ulmlogger> kwin
[15:10] <Quintasan> OpenGL ES?
[15:11] <Quintasan> If GLES == 1 then lolABIManager
[15:11] <ScottK> There is a 3rd party effect.
[15:12] <yofel> ScottK: and if you missed it, icecc 0.9.7-2 should finally work right
[15:12] <ScottK> yofel: Yep.  I asked cjwatson to go ahead and get the sync done earlier today.
[15:12] <yofel> ah, then thanks :)
[15:13] <Quintasan> Did we get new qtmobility?
[15:13] <Quintasan> If not then no simon until we get it :S
[15:14] <rbelem> Quintasan, need to ask sync from debian, i think
[15:14] <rbelem> ScottK, ^ 
[15:14] <yofel> rbelem: did you check whether we need to sync or merge?
[15:15] <rbelem> yofel, yes, just sync
[15:15] <yofel> rbelem: ok, file a sync request
[15:15] <yofel> (use requestsync)
[15:15] <yofel> and explain why the ubuntu diff can be dropped
[15:16] <ScottK> It'll need FFe unless it's bugfix only
[15:16] <rbelem> yofel, the changes that Riddell made are in debian already
[15:16] <ScottK> (I'm sure it's not)
[15:16] <yofel> rbelem: not to me, on the bug
[15:16] <rbelem> :-D
[15:16] <yofel> and right, file an FFe too
[15:17] <rbelem> can i file a bug asking for both?
[15:17] <Quintasan> bambee: Missing libx11-dev for touchegg
[15:17] <bambee> it's not implicit via libqt4-dev ?
[15:17] <Quintasan> and libxtst-dev is missing as well
[15:18] <Quintasan> Nope, IIRC someone dropped that during merge and I think it was me
[15:18] <Quintasan> Add these two and I can ack
[15:19] <yofel> rbelem: btw. plasma-mobile in the PPA failed again
[15:21] <rbelem> ScottK, can i file a bug asking for both?
[15:22] <Quintasan> yofel: When are we getting updated kdelibs so I can go with ffe for s-l-c?
[15:22] <rbelem> yofel, i just sent a second upload
[15:22] <yofel> Quintasan: once someone reviews my merge and probably marks the libs as from experimental
[15:22] <ScottK> rbelem: Please make one bug per package.
[15:23] <rbelem> ScottK, but can be one for sync and for ffe?
[15:23] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: Can we have you review yofel's merge?
[15:23] <ScottK> rbelem: yes.
[15:23] <rbelem> nice :-)
[15:23] <Quintasan> bambee: When I is getting new touchegg upload? :P
[15:25] <bambee> uploaded :p
[15:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, some changes are needed to kdelibs
[15:25] <Quintasan> rbelem: For what?
[15:25] <ScottK> cyphermox: How's ntrack going?
[15:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, he already reviewed
[15:25]  * ScottK thought you were updating.
[15:25]  * yofel wonders where _groo_ went missing
[15:26] <Quintasan> He is apparently doing Calligra
[15:26] <Quintasan> no point imo but whatever
[15:26] <cyphermox> ScottK: there's still a merge request up; cjwatson was concerned about the fact that all the files were removed/re-added; probably caused by the fact that I took a snapshot from bzr, instead of an imported tarball like it was... but there is no tarball to import
[15:26] <cyphermox> I'll ping him about it again
[15:27] <bambee> Quintasan: ^
[15:27] <Quintasan> rbelem: for s-l-c we need updated kdelibs, right?
[15:27] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[15:27] <ScottK> cyphermox: What version are you going for?
[15:28] <Quintasan> yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs-active-4.7/+merge/71555 <-this?
[15:28] <cyphermox> ScottK: 014 (latest), + bzr 312, which includes the patch you did for cpu usage (that was 312)
[15:28] <yofel> Quintasan: he said he had an apparently working digikam package from somewhere, but I can't find that anywhere
[15:28] <rbelem> Quintasan, do you want to make the changes that ulmlogger asked for?
[15:28] <yofel> so he probably still didn't upload it...
[15:28] <yofel> Quintasan: uh yeah, that one
[15:28] <Quintasan> rbelem: If they involve doing some coding then I'm the last person you want that from :<
[15:29] <rbelem> Quintasan, nope... just some packageing changes
[15:29] <yofel> Quintasan: no, I think it was rather marking the stuff from experimental as coming from experimental
[15:29] <Quintasan> You are both talking about kdelibs, right? I can do them, what was that ulmlogger wanted?
[15:30] <ScottK> cyphermox: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268038 - Not sure what the 015 version being discussed there?
[15:31] <rbelem> Quintasan, i just forwarded the email that ulmlogger sent to me
[15:31] <Quintasan> Cool.
[15:32] <rbelem> thanks Quintasan :-)
[15:34] <cyphermox> ScottK: afaik this is what the 3 commits on top of 014 were fixing
[15:34] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: Should "This package contains experimental software and should not be used in production environment" be enought for libkactivities?
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.
[15:37] <Quintasan> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp-67418768:///~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs-active-4.7/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport 
[15:37] <Quintasan> wtf
[15:37] <yofel> o.O - use branch
[15:37] <yofel> or are you trying to commit?
[15:37] <Quintasan> I want to push
[15:37] <yofel> err... that branch is owned by me, not possible
[15:38] <yofel> you'll have to push to your own
[15:38] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/109741 commit this instead
[15:39] <Quintasan> Then I will review and we can upload it
[15:39] <Quintasan> runtime is more problematic
[15:39] <Quintasan> quoting ulmlogger
[15:39] <Quintasan> >patches are not particularly regression save
[15:40] <CIA-52> [lp:~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs-active-4.7] Philip Muškovac * 376 * debian/control explain that libkactivities and libkdeclarative are experimental
[15:42] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.
[15:42] <ScottK> (pykde4)
[15:42] <Quintasan> ofc -j12 won't work....
[15:42] <Quintasan> fu pbuilder
[15:42] <yofel> I'm wondering what breaks that actually
[15:43]  * Quintasan goes for a nap
[15:44] <Quintasan> make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/kde4libs-4.7.0'
[15:44] <Quintasan> make[2]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
[15:44] <Quintasan> SUP
[15:45] <Quintasan> Oh wait
[15:45] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/cbRmv.png
[15:45] <Quintasan> lol
[15:46] <yofel> I'm not convinced that you have at least 11 cores on your system ^
[15:46] <yofel> ^^
[15:51] <Quintasan> I use -j12
[15:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Builds and installs fine
[15:55] <Quintasan> I do bzr push now, right?
[15:56] <yofel> well, use bzr merge if you want to auto-close the merge request
[15:59]  * bulldog98 blames ulmlogger
[16:01] <Quintasan> yofel: like
[16:02] <Quintasan> kbzr branch kde-libs
[16:02] <Quintasan> bzr merge lp:~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs-active-4.7
[16:02] <Quintasan> and what?
[16:03] <yofel> commit and push to main branch
[16:04] <Quintasan> Push
[16:04] <Quintasan> 'd
[16:06]  * yofel is off for a while
[16:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, -runtime was already uploadded by ulmlogger 
[16:49] <ulmlogger> rbelem: uploaded? I did not upload no nothing
[16:51] <Quintasan> bambee: touchegg advocated
[17:10] <rbelem> Quintasan, ^ :-D
[17:11] <rbelem> ulmlogger, sorry, i thought you had uploaded
[17:25]  * micahg wonders what ulm is
[17:26] <yofel> I town in germany
[17:26] <yofel> s/I/A
[17:27] <micahg> ah
[17:34] <rbelem> ScottK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmobility/+bug/826874
[17:38] <debfx> rbelem: why should we drop the Ubuntu delta?
[17:39] <debfx> gah, oneiric upgrade broke my sound :(
[17:39] <rbelem> debfx, the changes that Riddell made are already in the package
[17:39] <jussi> debfx: my sound is borked for a few days now
[17:39] <jussi> :(
[17:40] <debfx> rbelem: no, they are not
[17:40] <jussi> Mind, my PC doesnt boot normally since the upgrade - I have to g to rescue, select resume, get to promt, login and run startx
[17:40] <debfx> lovely :/
[17:40] <shadeslayer> \o
[17:41] <shadeslayer> rr
[17:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: did i mention that i find German food to be bland? :P
[17:41]  * rbelem goes to see qtmobility again
[17:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: depends on what you're used to - we certainly don't usually put a dozen different spices into everything so I won't exactly argue against you either
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hehehe, true that
[17:43] <shadeslayer> i'm used to very spicy food ...
[17:46] <rbelem> bulldog98, plasma-mobile is ready
[17:46] <jussi> Anyone here going to froscon? 
[17:47]  * jussi slaps Sput intermittently
[17:47] <bulldog98> rbelem: thanks for notifying
[17:48] <ulmlogger> jussi: so, you know, I am apparently in germany up until thursday or something or nothing, so I actually ponder going to froscon too :P
[17:48] <jussi> ulmlogger: I will be at froscon, you should go!
[17:48] <ulmlogger> well
[17:49] <ulmlogger> at some point I will eventually run out of clean wearables :P
[17:49] <jussi> ulmlogger: go to a laundromat? 
[17:49] <jussi> or buy more :D
[17:49] <ulmlogger> plus I should do actually useful things at some point
[17:49] <jussi> and froscon isnt useful? 
[17:50] <nigelb> yeah, desktop summit was so useless
[17:51]  * jussi envies those who got to go to DS and get a nice tablet
[17:53] <jussi> brb, new kernel roboot - lets hope it starts...
[17:54] <ulmlogger> jussi: not particularly :P
[17:54] <ulmlogger> jussi: nice tablet
[17:55] <ulmlogger> hahahahah
[17:55] <ulmlogger> rofl
[17:55]  * ulmlogger dies from laughing
[17:55] <rbelem> debfx, you are right
[17:55] <rbelem> debfx, it needs a merge, sorry
[17:58] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping
[17:59] <ulmlogger> ScottK: any objections to dropping the -default- part for new settings packages?
[17:59] <ulmlogger> kubuntu-tablet-settings rather than kubuntu-tablet-default-settings
[17:59] <ulmlogger> kubuntu-default-settings makes sense, since they form the base but for the others that is nothing but rubbish
[17:59] <ulmlogger> IMHO
[18:01] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah right, i went to DS and yet did not get a Tablet
[18:02] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: you missed the best talk :P ;)
[18:02] <ulmlogger> your own fault I might say
[18:02] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: +1
[18:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, well ...
[18:03] <shadeslayer> have fun with your 'nice' exopc :P
[18:05] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: much to learn you still have :)
[18:14] <jussi> ulmlogger: if you dont want yours, then Im more than happy to take it off your hands...
[18:17] <ulmlogger> jussi: sure if you maintain the tablet thing then
[18:17] <jussi> bah, you want me to actually do something for it :( :P
[18:18] <jussi> Honestly, I dont think Ive got the skills to do that...
[18:20] <bulldog98> rbelem: /usr/lib/imports/org/kde/plasma/slccomponents/SlcMenu.qml is in both share-like-connect and the -data package
[18:21] <rbelem> bulldog98, i will fix that now
[18:24] <rbelem> bulldog98, i think you will have force just this time
[18:24] <debfx> jussi: apparently rm -rf ~/.pulse fixes all my sound problems
[18:24] <bulldog98> rbelem: what packages have been added, that i need to install for useing plasma-mobile
[18:24] <bulldog98> ?
[18:25] <bulldog98> rbelem: I did that
[18:25] <rbelem> bulldog98, next time it will be ok
[18:25] <rbelem> bulldog98, you will need the default settings
[18:26] <rbelem> bulldog98, ulmlogger is working on that
[18:26] <rbelem> ulmlogger, is the package ready for use? :-)
[18:27] <ulmlogger> nope
[18:27] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: so default settings and what to configure, if I already used plasma-desktop
[18:27] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’ll help him debugging it :)
[18:27] <ulmlogger> I do not actually follow your conversation TBH
[18:27] <ulmlogger> default settings for what?
[18:27] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: mobile
[18:27] <rbelem> ulmlogger, to get plasma-tablet running
[18:28] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: kubuntu-mobile does not depend or recommend kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[18:28] <rbelem> bulldog98, did you get the qtmobility1.2?
[18:28] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: because it is neither :P
[18:28] <ulmlogger> it is part of the mobile seed
[18:29] <ulmlogger> so to say there is no reason you should not use plasma-mobile on a desktop
[18:29] <ulmlogger> but on a big screen you do not need the mobile settings most of th etime
[18:29] <bulldog98> rbelem: I think I have that
[18:32] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: so what binary is working atm?
[18:33] <jussi> debfx: no help here :/
[18:34] <jussi> hrm, anyone tell me how to manually mount my USB HDD? it gives me perm denied from the popup...
[18:35] <rbelem> bulldog98, you can call plasma-tablet --nodesktop
[18:35] <yofel> sudo mount /dev/... /mnt
[18:35] <yofel> don't forget to umount it
[18:35] <ulmlogger> dont forget to sync before unmount :P
[18:38] <bulldog98> rbelem: where is plasma-tablet in? I haven’t that on my tablet, yet
[18:42] <ulmlogger> rbelem: did you also package plasma-tablet?
[18:49] <debfx> JontheEchidna: since upgrading to oneiric I get 50-60 fps in minecraft :D
[19:06] <sheytan> Quintasan ping
[19:22] <ScottK> ulmlogger: These are, however, the defaults for tablets.
[19:23] <ScottK> Just as we already have defaults for netbooks.
[19:23] <ScottK> I think it makes sense.
[19:32] <rbelem> ulmlogger, bulldog98, they are in the same source
[19:32] <bulldog98> rbelem: I don’t have a plasma-tablet binary on my system with newest plasma-mobile
[19:32] <rbelem> ulmlogger, bulldog98, the latest package in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages installit
[19:33] <rbelem> *installs it
[19:33] <rbelem> bulldog98, it is symlink
[19:34] <bulldog98> rbelem: to what?
[19:35] <rbelem> bulldog98, to plasma-mobile
[19:35] <bulldog98> rbelem: ok, but that hasn’t worked for me with the last version
[19:36] <rbelem> did you try plasma-tablet --nodesktop?
[19:39] <rbelem> bulldog98, it is ok for me with latest version
[19:39] <rbelem> bulldog98, ./usr/bin/plasma-tablet -> plasma-mobile
[19:40] <bulldog98> rbelem: wait a sec so I can check that
[19:41] <bulldog98> rbelem: your version is lower, that one of the previous ones
[19:42] <bulldog98> I have 0.2~git20110811.084553-1 on my system
[19:43] <rbelem> :-/
[19:44] <yofel> just force downgrade it, I would stick to rbelem's versioning
[19:45] <bulldog98> yofel: did the same
[19:45] <bulldog98> rbelem: problem solved (shouldn’t happen to anybody else)
[19:46] <bulldog98> yofel: you could have pointed me onto that
[19:46] <rbelem> :-)
[19:46] <bulldog98> :P
[19:46] <yofel> sry, I forgot ^^
[19:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: hi
[19:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: where is the code of the bzr plugin for dolphin?
[19:47] <Riddell> hi bulldog98
[19:47] <Riddell> bulldog98: not published yet, it's incomplete and not very functional, I was hoping to get it more finished today but then I was ill
[19:47] <Riddell> hopefully tomorrow, I hope to put it into kdesdk along with the others
[19:49]  * bulldog98 hugs Riddell so he gets better
[19:50] <bulldog98> rbelem: ok got it running
[19:51] <bulldog98> rbelem: I want to run it on the tablet so the -nodesktop is a stupid option
[19:53] <rbelem> bulldog98, nice :-D
[19:54] <rbelem> bulldog98, modify the plasma-mobile desktop file from kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[19:54] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: maybe we should provide some mouse gestures activated by default
[19:54] <rbelem> bulldog98, and the startkde
[19:55] <bulldog98> rbelem: do I have to delete the .kde folder? before I do stuff like that
[19:57] <rbelem> bulldog98, nope
[19:57] <bulldog98> rbelem: even better would be editing the kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[20:00] <bulldog98> rbelem: so the ones in /usr/share/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings ?
[20:00] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup
[20:00] <rbelem> bulldog98, and startkde-mobile
[20:01] <jussi> bollocks, can even create a usb stick to be able to reinstall... 
[20:01] <jussi> Traceback (most recent call last):                                                                                                                                                 
[20:01] <jussi>   File "/usr/bin/usb-creator-kde", line 24, in <module>                                                                                                                            
[20:01] <jussi>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import KCmdLineArgs, KCmdLineOptions, i18n, ki18n
[20:01] <jussi> RuntimeError: the PyQt4.QtCore module is version 1 but the PyKDE4.kdecore module requires version -1
[20:03] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: you have to change the default wallpaper in the default settings
[20:03] <jussi> meh, usb-creator-gtk to the rescue
[20:04] <yofel> jussi: fixed
[20:04] <jussi> yofel: fixed?
[20:04] <yofel> jussi: that pykde issue was fixed a few hours ago
[20:04] <jussi> ahh
[20:13] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: for the fixme in startkde: add everything into the mobile settings as well
[20:17] <ulmlogger>  do not compute
[20:17] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: I have to change the default wallpaper in upstream
[20:17] <ulmlogger> that green stuff is totally messing with upstream vs. downstream branding
[20:18] <ulmlogger> gotta complain to nuno about it
[20:18] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: nice idea
[20:18] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: also plasma-tablet isn’t getting started (everything else but that is)
[20:19] <bulldog98> oxygen branding missing too
[20:26] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: and kded takes 100% CPU
[20:29] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: you need to create an autostart file
[20:29] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: where?
[20:29] <ulmlogger> also you need to add a sleep to that file, for me a direct start did not do the trick
[20:30] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: .kde/share/autostart
[20:31] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: something like plasma-tablet /n sleep 10
[20:34] <ulmlogger> sleep2; plasma-tablet
[20:36] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: I also think we should’n use the plasmarc of the kubuntu-default-settings
[20:36] <ulmlogger> why nut?
[20:36] <ulmlogger> there is no nothing in the plasmarc
[20:38] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: just noticed that too
[20:39] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: is there something else I have to do? Cause I can’t get kded4 to behave in a proper way
[20:42] <ulmlogger> you are doing it wrong(tm)
[20:45] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: really I wouldn’t haved guessed that
[20:47] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: it’s hung up in the kubuntu-default-settings
[20:48] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: no it got further
[20:48] <ulmlogger> you my dear friend are clueless :P
[20:48] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: are you on natteeeee or oneeyrick?
[20:50] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: oneiric
[20:51] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: it hungs before the tmp /cache link creation
[20:51] <ulmlogger> the kded?
[20:51] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: mind that the sleepy will hangy
[20:51] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: the startup
[20:52] <bulldog98> also it doesn’t start plasma-tablet
[20:53] <bulldog98> and I have that autostart script
[22:11] <Quintasan> rbelem: pong
[22:21]  * Quintasan goes to bed