[01:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> hey, how long does it take from the upload of a source package to a PPA to the actual recognition in launchpad that said package has been uploaded?
[01:56] <wgrant> TheEvilPhoenix: Up to 5 minutes.
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> does that time also apply to the receiving of the accepted/rejected email from the ppa system?
[01:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> wgrant:  ^
[01:57] <wgrant> TheEvilPhoenix: Yes. A cron job runs every 5 minutes, processing recent uploads. When an upload is processed, and email is sent, and if it's accepted then it will appear in the Launchpad web UI.
[01:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> i see.
[02:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> so the fact that the system hasnt responded since the package upload from 15 minutes ago is abnormal?
[02:00] <wgrant> That would strongly suggest that you didn't sign the package properly.
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> interesting
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> OH THAT'S RIGHT
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> stupid ******* shared keys...
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> can more than one lp account use the same PGP key?
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> if its shared
[02:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> (i.e. a "team PGP key" shared by a 3 person team)
[02:01] <wgrant> No.
[02:02] <wgrant> An OpenPGP key can only be associated with a single Launchpad account.
[02:02] <StevenK> GPG keys are not an exhaustable resource, create one or create many, it's fine.
[02:04] <wgrant> TheEvilPhoenix: Was this XBMC?
[02:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> wgrant:  no not that one.
[02:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> different PPA
[02:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> different package
[02:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> as pbuilder is failing miserably on multi-arch on this system...
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> i am using a separate ppa to build the package for otesting purposes
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> and will copy the finalized package into the actual ppa
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> as for that...
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> i need the Dependency Waits to be nuked
[02:05] <TheEvilPhoenix> as the actual alreadybuilt packages were copied over
[02:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> brb, got to beat this computer with a stick
[02:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> back
[02:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> assuming i've updated the keys, how can i get the ppa system to recognize the PGP keys and thus build the uploaded source packages?
[02:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> oop, found that...
[02:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> there we go
[03:32] <lifeless> OOPS-2053CBA39
[03:36] <lifeless> hmm, no ubot commentary?
[03:38] <lifeless> OOPS-2053CBA39
[03:48] <micahg> lifeless: ubot appeared
[03:48] <lifeless> micahg: yeah, internets failing
[03:49] <StevenK> Snow + NZ + Internet == Failure
[03:52] <ajmitch> StevenK: I think it was general telecom fail rather than being snow-related
[03:52] <StevenK> Bah, way to spoil a perfectly good troll
[03:52] <ajmitch> :)
[03:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: I think its snow related
[03:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: snow = everyone at home
[03:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: => backhaul FAIL (or something similar)
[03:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: the DNS servers going down for an hour or so was probably the power loss in chch
[03:55]  * ajmitch was seeing dsl authentication failures, and it affected quite a number of people
[03:55] <ajmitch> telecom had some fault report about it with no useful info
[03:55] <lifeless> ajmitch: heh, dsl was fine - reconnected and no change
[03:55] <lifeless> telecom.*no useful info
[03:55] <lifeless> orly!
[05:21] <hazmat> can the launchpad api be used in an offline/disconnected mode relying on its cache dir?
[05:21] <lifeless> no
[05:23] <nigelb> actually, didn't jml demo something like that at Belgium?
[05:23] <nigelb> (or was it james_w?)
[05:23] <StevenK> james_w made a lightning talk that didn't involve his laptop bursting in flames?
[05:24] <nigelb> bwahaaa
[05:24] <nigelb> That time, he borrowed someoen else's laptop because his didn't work
[05:24] <StevenK> Hahaha
[05:24] <StevenK> james_w has no luck at all with lightning talks
[05:24] <nigelb> Though, Budapest was the least disastrious
[05:25] <nigelb> *disastrous
[05:25] <nigelb> His only trouble was his key password.
[05:25] <nigelb> Three tries, and apparently, it was longer than the text box, and he got it wrong ;)
[05:25] <StevenK> Hah
[05:28] <lifeless> james_w's talk was about a couchdb backed replica, using twisted, not launchpadlib.
[05:28] <lifeless> very interesting
[05:29] <nigelb> Right, I remember there was something :)
[05:39] <nigelb> StevenK: In Budapest he started off like this "My name is James Westby and I'm a serial lightning talk failure"
[05:39] <StevenK> Bwahahahah
[09:04] <gour> morning
[09:04] <gour> any timeframe when something can be done about  bug #240067 ?
[09:05] <poolie> gour, well, i certainly wish it was done too
[09:05] <gour> poolie: i must admit that if LP would have wiki, my decision between bzr/lp & hg/bb would be much simplet...
[09:05] <gour> *simpler
[09:06] <lifeless> gour: theres no slated time for a canonical team to work on it; and the scoping is still all over the place - its what I'd describe as a bucket-of-bits feature today
[09:07] <lifeless> gour: not thought out, integrated, clear in intent.
[09:07] <lifeless> gour: I think in some ways we'd be best off parameterising moin
[09:07] <gour> lifeless: so, there is no spec for the wiki?
[09:07] <lifeless> there is - dev.lp.net/LEP/Wiki
[09:08] <lifeless> but still needs -lots- of love
[09:08] <gour> lifeless: ok...that certainly means we won't see anything happen soon...
[09:08] <bigjools> what's the status of wikkid?
[09:08] <gour> ...and it adds to our equation...
[09:09] <lifeless> gour: and the love it needs, from a product strategist, is the position we're currently hiring for
[09:10] <gour> lifeless: good luck to make it happen...but you're losing people/projects due to it...it's pity for bzr since 2.4 seems to be really nice release
[09:11] <lifeless> gour: which aspect of it matters to you?
[09:12] <lifeless> gour: publication of docs? a regular wiki? markup in fields? history on metadata?
[09:13] <gour> lifeless: what do you mean by 'markup in fields'?
[09:14] <lifeless> fields - like blueprint whiteboards - being editable as wikis
[09:14] <gour> i'd like to be able to have some docs rendered..eg. https://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/thg/wiki/Home
[09:14] <lifeless> thats one of the things we're trying to detangle
[09:15] <lifeless> gour: have you seen http://readthedocs.org/ ? it will pull from a bzr branch
[09:15] <gour> no, no intereset for blueprint stuff
[09:17] <gour> lifeless: real homepage for the project...otherwise i'd use fossil and host on my server everything, but that's what i want to avoid...otoh, having code at LP, wiki at some 3rd party wiki, download at SF etc. (there are real examples of such projects)...it really sucks
[09:19] <lifeless> gour: what makes it suck? {I'm not trolling, its a genuine question: e.g. credential management?}
[09:20] <poolie> it would be nice if the new strategist can work out how to get at least one slice of it done
[09:20] <gour> lifeless: admin overhead and the web-presence is spoiled...i'm sure there is reason why github, bitbucket, google & SF have it
[09:20] <poolie> for instance showing a readme on the home page would eb a start
[09:22] <gour> as i pasted in #bzr...people blogged about even in 2008 as one of the reasons for leaving LP
[09:23] <poolie> so the point is that for a small-medium project, you want all of your content on one  hosting service?
[09:23] <poolie> that being basically showing some web pages about the project?
[09:24]  * gour nods
[09:25] <gour> i believe it's not non-realistic expectation
[09:26] <lifeless> gour: sure; as I said, I think parameterising moin would likely be the fastest path to an ok implementation
[09:27] <lifeless> we've ended up with a big pile of different requirements stuffed into one bug :(
[09:27] <gour> good...the point is only when it will happen...iow, if it will be soon enough (for our needs)
[09:29] <lifeless> right now there is one community person interested in doing it; I suspect they are underestimating the complexity
[09:30] <gour> probably...sad is that it's low-priority for the team
[09:31] <gour> many people star their hosting with small things/projects and then start bigger ones...so, if the hosting does not cater to their needs, they are becoming lost
[09:31] <lifeless> we're currently still playing catch up on performance as well as working on the privacy overhaul & derived distributions projects
[09:31] <gour> lifeless: is the performance of github & bitbucket so great?
[09:32] <lifeless> gour: yes
[09:32] <lifeless> gour: they do a lot less
[09:32] <gour> it's strange policy, imho...bzr itself was done  with usability & design at first place and then it went for performance...LP is doing the opposite, it seems
[09:32] <lifeless> gour: and so don't have the same scaling things impacting them (e.g. our site-wide bug search)
[09:33] <lifeless> gour: performance is a usability consideration, they aren't separate.
[09:33] <lifeless> gour: for all new work we consider usability, design, performance
[09:33] <lifeless> gour: it took *years* to get bzr fast after letting it get away from us right at the start
[09:33] <gour> in any case, as i was informed in #wikkid, no wiki in LP in short term
[09:35] <nigelb> gour: were you the person interested in wiki for L?
[09:35] <nigelb> *LP
[09:35] <gour> nigelb: probably not the only one
[09:35] <nigelb> True
[09:36] <nigelb> Well, I wwas thinking of somehow trying to get something like readthedocs into Lp.
[09:36] <nigelb> Their code is open source and it just uses sphinx
[09:36] <lifeless> nigelb: wouldn't it be easier to call out to them ?
[09:36] <nigelb> call out?
[09:38] <lifeless> webservice
[09:38] <nigelb> it would, but it would not be a launchpad feature.
[09:38] <lifeless> why not ?
[09:39] <nigelb> I guess I like having something like docs.launchpad.net/projectname
[09:40] <lifeless> sure, why not ?
[09:42] <nigelb> lifeless: well, then someone from LP shuold talk to them about scale, etc. Like if they can handle us hitting them, plus API, and styling.
[09:43] <lifeless> nigelb: if someone wants to work on it :)
[09:43] <nigelb> lifeless: I'd be glad to work on it, I really want that feature.
[09:43] <lifeless> nigelb: I'm just questioning the assumption that we'd need to do it; that we can't collaborate; that the only reuse we can get is code reuse.
[09:47] <nigelb> lifeless: right now, nothing is stopping lp preojects from using readthedocs, then support bzr. But like I said, I'm partial to having docs.launchpad.net ;)
[09:47] <nigelb> s/then/they
[09:53] <lifeless> nigelb: right, so web 2.0 integration time :)
[09:53] <nigelb> Dear. God. Web2.0
[11:51] <om26er> when i propose  merge i am constantly getting 'error: timeout' should I try a little later or something is broken?
[11:57] <jelmer> om26er: As far as I know everything should be working at the moment. What are you trying to propose for merging?
[11:57] <om26er> jelmer, this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/unity/unity-fix-769703-3 to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/unity/natty
[11:58] <om26er> do i have to delete the old request?
[11:59] <jelmer> om26er, You shouldn't have to.
[12:00] <jelmer> om26er: I was wondering if the branches were perhaps unrelated, which could make the proposing slow, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
[12:00] <jelmer> om26er, Can you file a bug with the OOPS number mentioned?
[12:00] <om26er> jelmer, sure I can do that.
[12:08] <Laney> is there a tag for +localpackagediffs bugs?
[12:09] <Laney> ps: AWESOME
[12:13] <jelmer> Laney: not sure, "derivation" at least seems related
[12:13] <jelmer> Laney, ah, "package-diff"
[12:13] <Laney> ah yes
[13:05] <olzhas> hey guys
[13:05] <olzhas> what is Soyuz?
[14:11] <henninge> adeuring: also your time to take over here.
[14:12] <adeuring> henninge: argh, right
[14:29] <ricardokirkner> hey, morning
[14:29] <nigelb> that's a familar name.. hrm.
[14:29] <henninge> hey ricardokirkner ! ;)
[14:29] <pindonga> :)
[14:30] <nigelb> aha!
[14:30] <pindonga> I was about to ask a dumb question but just checked myself in time
[14:30] <pindonga> sorry
[14:30] <pindonga> :)
[14:35] <dieck> hi there! I tried to change a pot template name, and get a "Please try again". reloading after some minutes, as suggested, doesn't work, so I'll here to let you know as ordered :)
[14:43] <dieck> to be more verbose: a (first test) template was imported as template name i18n, after the directory it's in. I wanted to change it to match the parent directory, stock_merge_picking, so I can distinguish templates I'll add later. https://translations.launchpad.net/bremskerl-addons/6.0/+templates
[14:45] <adeuring> henninge: can you help here ^^^? I have no clue...
[14:53] <henninge> dieck: you cannot change a template name
[14:53] <henninge> dieck: were did you try to change it and got the "Please try again" message?
[14:53] <dieck> hm, ok, but on https://translations.launchpad.net/bremskerl-addons/6.0/+pots/i18n/+admin it IS a input field, editable.
[14:53] <dieck> "tooltip" for that field is The name of this PO template, for example 'evolution-2.2'. Each translation template has a unique name in its package. It's important to get this correct, because Launchpad will recommend alternative translations based on the name.
[14:54] <henninge> dieck: oh, I did not know that page was availble to you
[14:54] <henninge> dieck: so when you try to change it there, you get the error?
[14:54] <dieck> I created that project, and added the template file :)
[14:55] <henninge> yes, but it used to be that only us admins could get to that page.
[14:55] <dieck> yes, if I change it, I get the error message
[14:55] <henninge> you have tried it more than once?
[14:55] <henninge> dieck: what other information is on the page?
[14:55] <dieck> yes, as suggested, I tried reloading after some minutes. when that didn't work, I started from scratch trying it
[14:56] <dieck> the error page? Please try again, Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. , Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. , Thanks for your patience.
[14:56] <dieck> that's all
[14:56] <henninge> hm, ok
[14:57] <henninge> sounds like there is a bug. Let me try to rename it.
[14:57] <henninge> dieck: what should be the name?
[14:57] <henninge> stock-merge-picking?
[14:58] <dieck> the template was imported with the automatic import. my structure is "modulename/i18n/template.pot". I plan to use pots for multiple subdirectories, but all direct parent directories would be called i18n. Is there a way to tell the automatic import to jump to the "grandfather" directory while naming the templates?
[14:58] <dieck> henninge: i tried stock_merge_picking, as the directory is called
[14:58] <henninge> underscores will get converted to dashes for template names but that's ok
[14:58] <henninge> dieck: you will have to name the template file, then.
[14:59] <henninge> stock_merge_picking.pot
[14:59] <dieck> ah, ok. but why is the template name i18n, not template then? or is template.pot a specific trigger?
[14:59] <henninge> dieck: or use "po" instead of "i18n"
[14:59] <henninge> dieck: that's a feature ;-)
[15:00] <henninge> dieck: if the template name is generic (template.pot, messages.pot, default.pot) then the name of the directory is used.
[15:00] <mpoirier> bac: good day
[15:00] <dieck> i used i18n because the project openobject-addons uses it, to keep it in the known naming scheme. I'll try renaming it
[15:00] <henninge> if the directory is named "po" (which is the standard) the name of the directory above that is used.
[15:00] <bac> hi mpoirier
[15:01] <dieck> (it = the template file itself :))
[15:01] <mpoirier> bac: I tried another upload 5 minutes ago - still no luck.  Same problem.
[15:01] <bac> hey bigjools, can you lend us a hand?
[15:01] <henninge> dieck: yes, that sounds sensible (t#he file itself I mean)
[15:02] <nigelb> 32
[15:02] <nigelb> ugh
[15:02] <henninge> dieck: I get the same error when trying to rename to stock_merge_picking.
[15:02] <henninge> dieck: can you please try if you can rename it to stock-merge-picking?
[15:03] <dieck> ok
[15:06] <bigjools> bac: 'sup?
[15:07] <mpoirier> bigjools: we have a problem
[15:07] <bac> bigjools: mpoirier is trying to a kernel ppa upload and it isn't completing
[15:07] <dieck> henninge: done. now I wait for the scheduler to find the file? do i have to / can I remove the i18n named template? or does the system recognize it's missing/renamed?
[15:07] <bigjools> hanging with 1k to go by any chance?
[15:07] <bac> bigjools: i worked with the losas friday but the logs didn't show much
[15:07] <bac> bigjools: yep!
[15:07] <bigjools> this is a router bug
[15:07] <henninge> dieck: oops, I think we had a slight misunderstanding.
[15:07] <bigjools> you can work around it by uploading with SFTP
[15:08] <bigjools> you need a custom .dpuf.cf entry
[15:08] <henninge> dieck: you don't need to rename the file to use dashes "-", it can continue to use underscores "_".
[15:08] <henninge> dieck: I was asking if you can do the renaming on the +admin page.
[15:08] <dieck> ah, ok, i see
[15:09] <dieck> yes, that actually works
[15:09] <bac> mpoirier: ^^
[15:09] <bigjools> bac, mpoirier: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/666584/
[15:09] <bigjools> adapt that to your taste
[15:09] <dieck> henninge: so now, what mess have I created by renaming the file and having the automatic import active? :)
[15:09] <henninge> dieck: and for your last question: you don't have to remove the template, you can simply adapt the template name and the file name on the +admin page.
[15:09] <mpoirier> bigjools: cool, let me take a look.
[15:09] <henninge> dieck: none ;-)
[15:09] <bigjools> bac, mpoirier: make sure your SSH key is registered in Launchpad
[15:10] <bigjools> bac: I'll email the list about this.
[15:10] <bac> bigjools: glad you were around!
[15:10] <bigjools> bac: it comes up all the time, I'll do a FAQ as well
[15:10] <mpoirier> bigjools: ssh key is registered.  Ok, I"ll try and will get back to you.
[15:10] <mpoirier> bac: thanks for your time.
[15:10] <henninge> dieck: you may end up with two templates if the import is quicker than you in renaming the existing template
[15:10] <bac> mpoirier: np...i learned something
[15:10] <dieck> henninge: looks ok so far :)
[15:11] <bac> bigjools: is it a limited set of borked routers?
[15:11] <henninge> dieck: I see you could rename the template. ;-)
[15:11] <bigjools> bac: no eye deer.
[15:11] <bigjools> bac: that's just our best guess.
[15:11] <dieck> ok, thanks very much
[15:11] <bigjools> bac: routers have to do packet inspection with FTP to make it work with NAT
[15:12] <henninge> dieck: so, if you'd like the file name to use underscores you can still change that (both in the branch and on the +admin page).
[15:12] <dieck> and now for something completly different :) After I approve a merge request, can launchpad merge on-site? or do I always have to branch, merge and push?
[15:12] <dieck> henninge: as it works now, I'll leave it a dashes :)
[15:13] <henninge> dieck: fine ;)
[15:13] <henninge> dieck: ah, the import has already completed
[15:19] <deryck> adeuring, I can take IRC now.
[15:19] <henninge> dieck: it's bug 321467, btw.
[15:25] <dieck> henninge: ah, ok. I hadn't checked the bugs as the page requested to ask here, and I'm on irc the whole day anyway :)
[15:25] <henninge> dieck: np, I just showed it to you so you know it really is a bug (and will hopefully be fixed soon)
[15:37] <adeuring> deryck: thanks
[17:54] <mpoirier> bac: still on ?
[18:04] <deryck> Hi abentley.  I'll pitch IRC to you now.
[18:04] <abentley> deryck: Okie dokie
[18:24] <c7p> hello people
[18:24] <c7p> i try to pull a branch but i got this http://pastebin.com/xYZiTKAx
[18:38] <bac> hi mpoirier
[18:39] <mpoirier>  bac: launchpad newbie question for you...
[18:39] <bac> ok
[18:39] <mpoirier> I have uploaded my packages as per instructions.
[18:40] <mpoirier> should I see the newly uploaded package on my project page right away ?
[18:40] <tsimpson> c7p: make sure your ssh key has been uploaded to your launchpad profile
[18:40] <bac> mpoirier: what is the url for your project?
[18:40] <mpoirier> bac: https://launchpad.net/~linaro-landing-team-ste/+archive/st-ericsson-u8500-public/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[18:41] <mpoirier> bac: this this cleaner link... https://launchpad.net/~linaro-landing-team-ste/+archive/st-ericsson-u8500-public
[18:42] <bac> mpoirier: how long ago did you complete the upload?
[18:42] <mpoirier> bac: couple of hours...
[18:42] <mpoirier> hence my question.
[18:43] <bac> mpoirier: yeah, you definitely should have seen it appear
[18:43] <bac> mpoirier: your best bet it is to look for bigjools in teh morning or wgrant later this afternoon.
[18:43] <mpoirier> bac: humm... not cool.
[18:44] <mpoirier> bac: ok thanks.
[18:47] <c7p> tsimpson: my key is online, check this http://pastebin.com/S1y7E1xN , i've changed my launchpad account from j0hn-07- to c7p. Although the bzr branch searches for my old account name (as you can see whoami shows my new account). I cant make sense of these
[18:48] <tsimpson> c7p: have you done "bzr launchpad-login c7p"?
[18:56] <c7p> tsimpson:  no i havent.  But i still get the first message
[18:57] <c7p> tsimpson: i mean i get the http://pastebin.com/xYZiTKAx after login
[21:08] <khtaam> Hi! Is it possible to edit a comment in a launchpad bug? I published the e-mail address of someone else by accident
[21:15] <deryck> khtaam, no, we don't have editing of existing comments.  Sorry.
[21:15] <khtaam> deryck, too bad
[21:16] <khtaam> will have to be more careful in future
[21:16] <deryck> khtaam, would be hard to completely remove from the Internet anyway.  Bugs send mail, and sometimes this goes to a mailing list.
[21:20] <khtaam> so it might be visible on some mailing list archive any way?
[21:30] <deryck> khtaam, it *could* be.  Depends on which bug and who is subscribed.
[21:30] <deryck> khtaam, for example, all ubuntu bugs go to a mailing list.
[21:31] <khtaam> deryck, i found it on mail-archive.com, they made a ... inside the mail address but there is a button to get the address
[21:32] <khtaam> deryck, launchpad should also have some function to obscure e-mail address
[21:33] <deryck> we do for users to hide their emails, but not for any email in raw text like comments.
[21:35] <khtaam> yes, it was basically my fault, I forgot to remove the quoted text in my e-mail when I replied to the bug