[01:52] hey, how long does it take from the upload of a source package to a PPA to the actual recognition in launchpad that said package has been uploaded? [01:56] TheEvilPhoenix: Up to 5 minutes. [01:57] does that time also apply to the receiving of the accepted/rejected email from the ppa system? [01:57] wgrant: ^ [01:57] TheEvilPhoenix: Yes. A cron job runs every 5 minutes, processing recent uploads. When an upload is processed, and email is sent, and if it's accepted then it will appear in the Launchpad web UI. [01:59] i see. [02:00] so the fact that the system hasnt responded since the package upload from 15 minutes ago is abnormal? [02:00] That would strongly suggest that you didn't sign the package properly. [02:01] interesting [02:01] OH THAT'S RIGHT [02:01] stupid ******* shared keys... [02:01] can more than one lp account use the same PGP key? [02:01] if its shared [02:01] (i.e. a "team PGP key" shared by a 3 person team) [02:01] No. [02:02] An OpenPGP key can only be associated with a single Launchpad account. [02:02] GPG keys are not an exhaustable resource, create one or create many, it's fine. [02:04] TheEvilPhoenix: Was this XBMC? [02:04] wgrant: no not that one. [02:04] different PPA [02:04] different package [02:04] as pbuilder is failing miserably on multi-arch on this system... [02:05] i am using a separate ppa to build the package for otesting purposes [02:05] and will copy the finalized package into the actual ppa [02:05] as for that... [02:05] i need the Dependency Waits to be nuked [02:05] as the actual alreadybuilt packages were copied over [02:06] brb, got to beat this computer with a stick [02:12] back [02:13] assuming i've updated the keys, how can i get the ppa system to recognize the PGP keys and thus build the uploaded source packages? [02:13] oop, found that... [02:13] there we go [03:32] OOPS-2053CBA39 [03:32] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2053CBA39 [03:36] hmm, no ubot commentary? [03:38] OOPS-2053CBA39 [03:38] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2053CBA39 [03:48] lifeless: ubot appeared [03:48] micahg: yeah, internets failing [03:49] Snow + NZ + Internet == Failure [03:52] StevenK: I think it was general telecom fail rather than being snow-related [03:52] Bah, way to spoil a perfectly good troll [03:52] :) [03:53] ajmitch: I think its snow related [03:53] ajmitch: snow = everyone at home [03:53] ajmitch: => backhaul FAIL (or something similar) [03:53] ajmitch: the DNS servers going down for an hour or so was probably the power loss in chch [03:55] * ajmitch was seeing dsl authentication failures, and it affected quite a number of people [03:55] telecom had some fault report about it with no useful info [03:55] ajmitch: heh, dsl was fine - reconnected and no change [03:55] telecom.*no useful info [03:55] orly! [05:21] can the launchpad api be used in an offline/disconnected mode relying on its cache dir? [05:21] no [05:23] actually, didn't jml demo something like that at Belgium? [05:23] (or was it james_w?) [05:23] james_w made a lightning talk that didn't involve his laptop bursting in flames? [05:24] bwahaaa [05:24] That time, he borrowed someoen else's laptop because his didn't work [05:24] Hahaha [05:24] james_w has no luck at all with lightning talks [05:24] Though, Budapest was the least disastrious [05:25] *disastrous [05:25] His only trouble was his key password. [05:25] Three tries, and apparently, it was longer than the text box, and he got it wrong ;) [05:25] Hah [05:28] james_w's talk was about a couchdb backed replica, using twisted, not launchpadlib. [05:28] very interesting [05:29] Right, I remember there was something :) [05:39] StevenK: In Budapest he started off like this "My name is James Westby and I'm a serial lightning talk failure" [05:39] Bwahahahah [09:04] morning [09:04] any timeframe when something can be done about bug #240067 ? [09:04] Launchpad bug 240067 in Launchpad itself "Launchpad projects need wikis" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/240067 [09:05] gour, well, i certainly wish it was done too === Mkaysi_ is now known as Mkaysi [09:05] poolie: i must admit that if LP would have wiki, my decision between bzr/lp & hg/bb would be much simplet... [09:05] *simpler [09:06] gour: theres no slated time for a canonical team to work on it; and the scoping is still all over the place - its what I'd describe as a bucket-of-bits feature today [09:07] gour: not thought out, integrated, clear in intent. [09:07] gour: I think in some ways we'd be best off parameterising moin [09:07] lifeless: so, there is no spec for the wiki? [09:07] there is - dev.lp.net/LEP/Wiki [09:08] but still needs -lots- of love [09:08] lifeless: ok...that certainly means we won't see anything happen soon... [09:08] what's the status of wikkid? [09:08] ...and it adds to our equation... [09:09] gour: and the love it needs, from a product strategist, is the position we're currently hiring for [09:10] lifeless: good luck to make it happen...but you're losing people/projects due to it...it's pity for bzr since 2.4 seems to be really nice release [09:11] gour: which aspect of it matters to you? [09:12] gour: publication of docs? a regular wiki? markup in fields? history on metadata? [09:13] lifeless: what do you mean by 'markup in fields'? [09:14] fields - like blueprint whiteboards - being editable as wikis [09:14] i'd like to be able to have some docs rendered..eg. https://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/thg/wiki/Home [09:14] thats one of the things we're trying to detangle [09:15] gour: have you seen http://readthedocs.org/ ? it will pull from a bzr branch [09:15] no, no intereset for blueprint stuff [09:17] lifeless: real homepage for the project...otherwise i'd use fossil and host on my server everything, but that's what i want to avoid...otoh, having code at LP, wiki at some 3rd party wiki, download at SF etc. (there are real examples of such projects)...it really sucks === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:19] gour: what makes it suck? {I'm not trolling, its a genuine question: e.g. credential management?} [09:20] it would be nice if the new strategist can work out how to get at least one slice of it done [09:20] lifeless: admin overhead and the web-presence is spoiled...i'm sure there is reason why github, bitbucket, google & SF have it [09:20] for instance showing a readme on the home page would eb a start [09:22] as i pasted in #bzr...people blogged about even in 2008 as one of the reasons for leaving LP [09:23] so the point is that for a small-medium project, you want all of your content on one hosting service? [09:23] that being basically showing some web pages about the project? [09:24] * gour nods [09:25] i believe it's not non-realistic expectation [09:26] gour: sure; as I said, I think parameterising moin would likely be the fastest path to an ok implementation [09:27] we've ended up with a big pile of different requirements stuffed into one bug :( [09:27] good...the point is only when it will happen...iow, if it will be soon enough (for our needs) [09:29] right now there is one community person interested in doing it; I suspect they are underestimating the complexity [09:30] probably...sad is that it's low-priority for the team [09:31] many people star their hosting with small things/projects and then start bigger ones...so, if the hosting does not cater to their needs, they are becoming lost [09:31] we're currently still playing catch up on performance as well as working on the privacy overhaul & derived distributions projects [09:31] lifeless: is the performance of github & bitbucket so great? [09:32] gour: yes [09:32] gour: they do a lot less [09:32] it's strange policy, imho...bzr itself was done with usability & design at first place and then it went for performance...LP is doing the opposite, it seems [09:32] gour: and so don't have the same scaling things impacting them (e.g. our site-wide bug search) [09:33] gour: performance is a usability consideration, they aren't separate. [09:33] gour: for all new work we consider usability, design, performance [09:33] gour: it took *years* to get bzr fast after letting it get away from us right at the start [09:33] in any case, as i was informed in #wikkid, no wiki in LP in short term [09:35] gour: were you the person interested in wiki for L? [09:35] *LP [09:35] nigelb: probably not the only one [09:35] True [09:36] Well, I wwas thinking of somehow trying to get something like readthedocs into Lp. [09:36] Their code is open source and it just uses sphinx [09:36] nigelb: wouldn't it be easier to call out to them ? [09:36] call out? [09:38] webservice [09:38] it would, but it would not be a launchpad feature. [09:38] why not ? [09:39] I guess I like having something like docs.launchpad.net/projectname [09:40] sure, why not ? [09:42] lifeless: well, then someone from LP shuold talk to them about scale, etc. Like if they can handle us hitting them, plus API, and styling. [09:43] nigelb: if someone wants to work on it :) [09:43] lifeless: I'd be glad to work on it, I really want that feature. [09:43] nigelb: I'm just questioning the assumption that we'd need to do it; that we can't collaborate; that the only reuse we can get is code reuse. [09:47] lifeless: right now, nothing is stopping lp preojects from using readthedocs, then support bzr. But like I said, I'm partial to having docs.launchpad.net ;) [09:47] s/then/they === gour1 is now known as gour === henninge changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: henninge | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [09:53] nigelb: right, so web 2.0 integration time :) [09:53] Dear. God. Web2.0 === nyuszika7h is now known as christel_ === christel_ is now known as nyuszika7h === henninge is now known as henninge-lunch [11:51] when i propose merge i am constantly getting 'error: timeout' should I try a little later or something is broken? [11:57] om26er: As far as I know everything should be working at the moment. What are you trying to propose for merging? [11:57] jelmer, this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/unity/unity-fix-769703-3 to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/unity/natty [11:58] do i have to delete the old request? [11:59] om26er, You shouldn't have to. [12:00] om26er: I was wondering if the branches were perhaps unrelated, which could make the proposing slow, but that doesn't appear to be the case. [12:00] om26er, Can you file a bug with the OOPS number mentioned? [12:00] jelmer, sure I can do that. [12:08] is there a tag for +localpackagediffs bugs? [12:09] ps: AWESOME [12:13] Laney: not sure, "derivation" at least seems related [12:13] Laney, ah, "package-diff" [12:13] ah yes === henninge-lunch is now known as henninge [13:05] hey guys [13:05] what is Soyuz? === mpt_ is now known as mpt === epsy is now known as \u03b5 [14:11] adeuring: also your time to take over here. [14:12] henninge: argh, right === adeuring changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: adeuring | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [14:29] hey, morning [14:29] that's a familar name.. hrm. [14:29] hey ricardokirkner ! ;) === ricardokirkner is now known as pindonga [14:29] :) [14:30] aha! [14:30] I was about to ask a dumb question but just checked myself in time [14:30] sorry [14:30] :) [14:35] hi there! I tried to change a pot template name, and get a "Please try again". reloading after some minutes, as suggested, doesn't work, so I'll here to let you know as ordered :) [14:43] to be more verbose: a (first test) template was imported as template name i18n, after the directory it's in. I wanted to change it to match the parent directory, stock_merge_picking, so I can distinguish templates I'll add later. https://translations.launchpad.net/bremskerl-addons/6.0/+templates [14:45] henninge: can you help here ^^^? I have no clue... [14:53] dieck: you cannot change a template name [14:53] dieck: were did you try to change it and got the "Please try again" message? [14:53] hm, ok, but on https://translations.launchpad.net/bremskerl-addons/6.0/+pots/i18n/+admin it IS a input field, editable. [14:53] "tooltip" for that field is The name of this PO template, for example 'evolution-2.2'. Each translation template has a unique name in its package. It's important to get this correct, because Launchpad will recommend alternative translations based on the name. [14:54] dieck: oh, I did not know that page was availble to you [14:54] dieck: so when you try to change it there, you get the error? [14:54] I created that project, and added the template file :) [14:55] yes, but it used to be that only us admins could get to that page. [14:55] yes, if I change it, I get the error message [14:55] you have tried it more than once? [14:55] dieck: what other information is on the page? [14:55] yes, as suggested, I tried reloading after some minutes. when that didn't work, I started from scratch trying it [14:56] the error page? Please try again, Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. , Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode. , Thanks for your patience. [14:56] that's all [14:56] hm, ok [14:57] sounds like there is a bug. Let me try to rename it. [14:57] dieck: what should be the name? [14:57] stock-merge-picking? [14:58] the template was imported with the automatic import. my structure is "modulename/i18n/template.pot". I plan to use pots for multiple subdirectories, but all direct parent directories would be called i18n. Is there a way to tell the automatic import to jump to the "grandfather" directory while naming the templates? [14:58] henninge: i tried stock_merge_picking, as the directory is called [14:58] underscores will get converted to dashes for template names but that's ok [14:58] dieck: you will have to name the template file, then. [14:59] stock_merge_picking.pot [14:59] ah, ok. but why is the template name i18n, not template then? or is template.pot a specific trigger? [14:59] dieck: or use "po" instead of "i18n" [14:59] dieck: that's a feature ;-) [15:00] dieck: if the template name is generic (template.pot, messages.pot, default.pot) then the name of the directory is used. [15:00] bac: good day [15:00] i used i18n because the project openobject-addons uses it, to keep it in the known naming scheme. I'll try renaming it [15:00] if the directory is named "po" (which is the standard) the name of the directory above that is used. [15:00] hi mpoirier [15:01] (it = the template file itself :)) [15:01] bac: I tried another upload 5 minutes ago - still no luck. Same problem. [15:01] hey bigjools, can you lend us a hand? [15:01] dieck: yes, that sounds sensible (t#he file itself I mean) [15:02] 32 [15:02] ugh [15:02] dieck: I get the same error when trying to rename to stock_merge_picking. [15:02] dieck: can you please try if you can rename it to stock-merge-picking? [15:03] ok [15:06] bac: 'sup? [15:07] bigjools: we have a problem [15:07] bigjools: mpoirier is trying to a kernel ppa upload and it isn't completing [15:07] henninge: done. now I wait for the scheduler to find the file? do i have to / can I remove the i18n named template? or does the system recognize it's missing/renamed? [15:07] hanging with 1k to go by any chance? [15:07] bigjools: i worked with the losas friday but the logs didn't show much [15:07] bigjools: yep! [15:07] this is a router bug [15:07] dieck: oops, I think we had a slight misunderstanding. [15:07] you can work around it by uploading with SFTP [15:08] you need a custom .dpuf.cf entry [15:08] dieck: you don't need to rename the file to use dashes "-", it can continue to use underscores "_". [15:08] dieck: I was asking if you can do the renaming on the +admin page. [15:08] ah, ok, i see [15:09] yes, that actually works [15:09] mpoirier: ^^ [15:09] bac, mpoirier: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/666584/ [15:09] adapt that to your taste [15:09] henninge: so now, what mess have I created by renaming the file and having the automatic import active? :) [15:09] dieck: and for your last question: you don't have to remove the template, you can simply adapt the template name and the file name on the +admin page. [15:09] bigjools: cool, let me take a look. [15:09] dieck: none ;-) [15:09] bac, mpoirier: make sure your SSH key is registered in Launchpad [15:10] bac: I'll email the list about this. [15:10] bigjools: glad you were around! [15:10] bac: it comes up all the time, I'll do a FAQ as well [15:10] bigjools: ssh key is registered. Ok, I"ll try and will get back to you. [15:10] bac: thanks for your time. [15:10] dieck: you may end up with two templates if the import is quicker than you in renaming the existing template [15:10] mpoirier: np...i learned something [15:10] henninge: looks ok so far :) [15:11] bigjools: is it a limited set of borked routers? [15:11] dieck: I see you could rename the template. ;-) [15:11] bac: no eye deer. [15:11] bac: that's just our best guess. [15:11] ok, thanks very much [15:11] bac: routers have to do packet inspection with FTP to make it work with NAT [15:12] dieck: so, if you'd like the file name to use underscores you can still change that (both in the branch and on the +admin page). [15:12] and now for something completly different :) After I approve a merge request, can launchpad merge on-site? or do I always have to branch, merge and push? [15:12] henninge: as it works now, I'll leave it a dashes :) [15:13] dieck: fine ;) [15:13] dieck: ah, the import has already completed [15:19] adeuring, I can take IRC now. [15:19] dieck: it's bug 321467, btw. [15:20] Launchpad bug 321467 in Launchpad itself "Template name is not validated on admin form." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321467 === deryck changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: deryck | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [15:25] henninge: ah, ok. I hadn't checked the bugs as the page requested to ask here, and I'm on irc the whole day anyway :) [15:25] dieck: np, I just showed it to you so you know it really is a bug (and will hopefully be fixed soon) [15:37] deryck: thanks === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [17:54] bac: still on ? [18:04] Hi abentley. I'll pitch IRC to you now. === deryck changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: abentley | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [18:04] deryck: Okie dokie [18:24] hello people [18:24] i try to pull a branch but i got this http://pastebin.com/xYZiTKAx [18:38] hi mpoirier [18:39] bac: launchpad newbie question for you... [18:39] ok [18:39] I have uploaded my packages as per instructions. [18:40] should I see the newly uploaded package on my project page right away ? [18:40] c7p: make sure your ssh key has been uploaded to your launchpad profile [18:40] mpoirier: what is the url for your project? [18:40] bac: https://launchpad.net/~linaro-landing-team-ste/+archive/st-ericsson-u8500-public/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter= [18:41] bac: this this cleaner link... https://launchpad.net/~linaro-landing-team-ste/+archive/st-ericsson-u8500-public [18:42] mpoirier: how long ago did you complete the upload? [18:42] bac: couple of hours... [18:42] hence my question. [18:43] mpoirier: yeah, you definitely should have seen it appear [18:43] mpoirier: your best bet it is to look for bigjools in teh morning or wgrant later this afternoon. [18:43] bac: humm... not cool. [18:44] bac: ok thanks. [18:47] tsimpson: my key is online, check this http://pastebin.com/S1y7E1xN , i've changed my launchpad account from j0hn-07- to c7p. Although the bzr branch searches for my old account name (as you can see whoami shows my new account). I cant make sense of these [18:48] c7p: have you done "bzr launchpad-login c7p"? [18:56] tsimpson: no i havent. But i still get the first message [18:57] tsimpson: i mean i get the http://pastebin.com/xYZiTKAx after login === med_out is now known as medberry === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [21:08] Hi! Is it possible to edit a comment in a launchpad bug? I published the e-mail address of someone else by accident [21:15] khtaam, no, we don't have editing of existing comments. Sorry. [21:15] deryck, too bad [21:16] will have to be more careful in future [21:16] khtaam, would be hard to completely remove from the Internet anyway. Bugs send mail, and sometimes this goes to a mailing list. [21:20] so it might be visible on some mailing list archive any way? [21:30] khtaam, it *could* be. Depends on which bug and who is subscribed. [21:30] khtaam, for example, all ubuntu bugs go to a mailing list. [21:31] deryck, i found it on mail-archive.com, they made a ... inside the mail address but there is a button to get the address [21:32] deryck, launchpad should also have some function to obscure e-mail address [21:33] we do for users to hide their emails, but not for any email in raw text like comments. [21:35] yes, it was basically my fault, I forgot to remove the quoted text in my e-mail when I replied to the bug === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan