[00:43] <alex_mayorga> Anyone else experiencing "funkyness" when doing Alt+Tab?
[00:44] <urlin2u> my computer plays Pfunk.
[00:54] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, Alt+tab is very slow here, but Dash is even slower.
[00:54] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: what's "Dash"?
[00:55] <alex_mayorga> I get overlapped UI on Alt+Tab
[00:55] <Daekdroom> It's what shows up when you click the "Ubuntu" button in the launcher
[00:55] <Daekdroom> try unity --reset to reset compiz settings to default and have only the new Alt+tab appear.
[00:56] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: let me try that, does it need sudo?
[00:56] <Daekdroom> Nope
[00:56] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: a bug I see in "dash" is that the arrow keys doesn't move the selection
[01:02] <alex_mayorga> got a bunch of warnings there, worth reporting?
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/666127/
[01:31] <alex_mayorga> above is the output of  unity --reset so far
[01:32] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: is my unity messed up?
[01:35] <pr0d> all is not well in the ubuntu camp. http://pastebin.com/Rdv08yqr . Im trying to add a pci device for passthrough in xen 4.1 ubuntu 11.10. Any help would be hugely appreciated, google didnt help
[01:37] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: the terminal where I ran unity --reset is yet to return a prompt, would it break anything if I Ctrl+C ?
[01:38] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, yep
[01:38] <alex_mayorga> pr0d: time to bug virt-manager it seems
[01:38] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, you can use Alt+F2 'unity' so you can close the terminal.
[01:38] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: so I better leave it alone until it finishes?
[01:38] <Daekdroom> Well, the terminal will be busy as long as that unity PID is running.
[01:39] <Daekdroom> I forgot to mention you should have used &disown, my bad.
[01:39] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: no worries, did you get a chance to look at my paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/666127/
[01:39] <alex_mayorga> perhaps it does need sudo
[01:40] <alex_mayorga> ?
[01:40] <Daekdroom> Nope. Whatever causes those errors is not because you didn't run it with sudo.
[01:40] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: mind giving me the complete command once more?
[01:40] <Daekdroom> unity --reset &disown
[01:40] <alex_mayorga> I see
[01:40] <Daekdroom> --reset specifically sets everything to default
[01:41] <alex_mayorga> Alt+Tab looks better now, though
[01:44] <pr0d> can anyone tell me where the xm vm config file are stored. I cant seem to find the plain text files i am used to on previous distros
[01:44] <pr0d> xen*
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: this is the latest http://paste.ubuntu.com/666141/
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> is a compiz crash expected here?
[02:00] <alex_mayorga> it also crashed chromium while at it
[02:00] <Daekdroom> I can't tell.
[02:01] <Daekdroom> Unity has crashed a lot in here, specially the window manager.
[03:54] <bobweaver> hi there I was told to come here to talk about my boot splash
[03:54] <bobweaver> Hi there I am playing with my boot splash right now and having some troubles . I have a nvidia-current installed but it don't show up in lsmod only nouveau I tried to blacklist this Nothing stays loaded I try sudo rmmod nothing says it is running I drop x and still nothing
[03:54] <bobweaver> uname -a
[03:54] <bobweaver> Linux bob-Compaq-Presario-CQ60-Notebook-PC 3.0.1-030001-generic #201108060905 SMP Sat Aug 6 10:43:25 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[03:55] <bobweaver> seems to be a bug in the Kernel ?
[03:55] <bobweaver> I know nothing about this
[03:56] <bobweaver> I would like to say that it is natty also with kde frame
[03:57] <bobweaver> sudo update-initramfs -u
[03:57] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/666180/
[03:58] <bobweaver> I removed ubuntu logo did not think that that would kill it
[03:58] <bobweaver> it is the firmware that I am missing
[03:58] <bobweaver> maybee
[03:59] <bobweaver> but then I think that I have nivdia card in  computer makes me wonder if nivida-current and nouveau are fighting
[04:00] <bobweaver> lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:00] <bobweaver> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G] [10de:0845] (rev a2)
[04:01] <urlin2u> bobweaver, you saving this for posterity?
[04:01] <bobweaver> what is posterity ?
[04:02] <urlin2u> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posterity
[04:03] <urlin2u> you use later or future generations.
[04:04] <bobweaver> anyone can
[04:04] <bobweaver> right that is the way opensource works
[04:05] <urlin2u> the channel is for help not your play by play action is the point. ;)
[04:05] <bobweaver> I thought that that info is important sor any one trying to help
[04:05] <bobweaver> I thought that that info is important for* any one trying to help
[04:06] <bobweaver> I even use paste.ubuntu.com
[04:11] <urlin2u> it just helps to wait for the help with a question, posting as you have knocks out most who will help, as it is not channel use policy, do wht you want, it just cuts down your chances,;-)
[04:14] <bobweaver> you know what bro I would not even begin to say how nevermind -|- ()() |_
[04:19] <Laibsch> Can somebody please verify whether or not bug 379382 also occurs in oneiric?
[07:13] <questionsabout> hi
[07:45] <PythonPup> Howdy.  After today's update, the GUI won't start.  I tried stopping and starting lightdm from another VT.  Any other suggestions?
[07:49] <questionsabout> shpuld i use 11.10
[07:49] <IdleOne> not if you don't like unity
[07:50] <PythonPup> And not if you need a stable system.  It is only an alpha at the moment.
[07:51] <PythonPup> But, if you like to experiment and have a spare system, then sure.
[07:51] <Laibsch> Can somebody please verify whether or not bug 379382 also occurs in oneiric?
[07:52] <PythonPup> Does anyone know why oneiric keeps trying to install java?  It seems to be a dependancy for several media apps, for some odd reason.
[07:59] <Laibsch> PythonPup: "aptitude why $java-package" for the package you want to know about
[08:00] <PythonPup> interesting command.  I'll try it.  thanks.
[08:02] <magn3ts> please do not remove synaptic
[08:03] <PythonPup> They plan to just remove it from the CD, as far as I have read.  It will stay in the repo, so after you boot up, just go to a command line and   sudo apt-get install synaptic
[08:03] <mvo> or install it from software-center even
[08:12] <PythonPup> Apparently, you are now supposed to launch all applications from the command line.  I can't get anything to launch from Unity any other way.
[10:37] <karname> Hi, I upgraded to 11.10 alpha3 from 11.04 but when system wants to boot , I get this error from gurb : symbol not found : 'grub_divmod64_full' , can you help me?
[10:39] <karname> I googled somethings  about it , someone said you should purge grub , but I can't access to my ubuntu to purge grub
[10:39] <karname> how can I do it ?
[10:42] <chris|> karname, boot from a livecd, mount your harddrive and chroot into it
[10:47] <Lynoure> Is there really no sensors monitor GUI for kubuntu in the new release? No kima, no ksensors.
[10:47] <Lynoure> I can do with cli myself, but it seems like a somewhat serious lack.
[10:52] <karname> can I fix it with super grub disc ?
[10:55] <Chipaca> karname: not sure what super grub disc does. Maybe?
[11:23] <edgy> Hi, my .local/share/akonadi is about 7G so I moved .local to another disk and symlinked to it
[11:23] <edgy> but now kmail gives an error
[11:23] <edgy> the details of the error is here: http://pastebin.com/vcqxcSkx
[11:32] <PythonPup> I want to make a new install of Oneiric.  The install image is too large for a CD, so I am trying to make a USB boot.  I am using a natty system to make the boot USB drive.  The Make Startup Disk button won't enable.  I have plenty of free space.  Any ideas?
[11:34] <jbicha> PythonPup: are you sure that the ISO is selected? I believe startupdisk creator has an annoying tendency to not select the
[11:34] <jbicha> ISO you just added
[11:36] <PythonPup> You are right that it does not remember the new iso, even though I have used it several times.  I just selected it, and then selected the disk drive.
[11:38] <Gummy> hello?
[11:39] <Gummy> just asking, is the unity menu bar transparent in the latest update?
[11:40] <Gummy> the start menu itself i mean
[11:40] <Gummy> and the logo is now at the bar
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:03] <Chipaca> hellup! I have two alt-tab windows at the same time!
[12:03]  * Chipaca is drowning in alt-tabs
[14:02] <Rods_Tiger> is there a way of quickly disabling the screensaver / screen blanking altogether in ocelot?
[14:02] <jtaylor> I'd also like to know that
[14:02] <Ian_Corne> 22:20:41 < trism> Rods_Tiger: currently I have: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false; and then xset -dpms; and that seems to have killed it
[14:03] <Ian_Corne> didn't that work last night Rods_Tiger ?
[14:03] <jtaylor> when the saver kicks in I ahve to crash it to get back to the desktop
[14:03] <jtaylor> (luckyly crashing it is very easy ^^)
[14:03] <Ian_Corne> jtaylor: hmm
[14:03] <Ian_Corne> maybe it's the screensaver that's slow after suspend..
[14:03] <Rods_Tiger> really? I've used xset -dpms in various combinations but although it keeps the screen alive, there's still something that just draws a 'blank page' over the screen content
[14:04] <Ian_Corne> if you wait long  jtaylor it comes back
[14:04] <Rods_Tiger> and also another thing, setting it to 1 hour doesn't give one hour - more like a few mins
[14:04] <jtaylor> well I can type into windows under the screensaver so its all still running
[14:04] <jtaylor> (typed my user pw into irc because of that once ._.)
[14:05] <Rods_Tiger> aha - what's that idle-activation-enabled false?
[14:05] <Rods_Tiger> where does that go?
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> oh jtaylor that hurts
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> it's a command
[14:05] <Rods_Tiger> ok
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver idle-activation-enabled false"
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> in the command line
[14:05] <Rods_Tiger> I'll try that
[14:05] <Ian_Corne> it will set that key to false
[14:06] <jtaylor> thx I'll try if that setting works
[14:07] <Rods_Tiger> I've typed it in. Now I just need to wait until nothing happens, to see if it works
[14:08] <Ian_Corne> :D
[14:11] <Rods_Tiger> actually, I thought of an idea for ocelot for when it is released - implement 'airprint' functionality built in, so that iPads can print to ocelot connected printers. That'd be extremely popular. No idea how to do it myself though.
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> bleh apple stuff :p
[14:12] <Rods_Tiger> ?
[14:23] <jtaylor> hurray it worked
[14:24] <jtaylor> doesn't oneiric have airprint already? I read a mail about it in -dev a while ago
[14:26] <funkyHat> Rods_Tiger: yeah, 11.10 should have airprint working already
[14:37] <ali1234> bug 711779
[14:37] <ali1234> fixed... so yeah
[14:43] <Rods_Tiger> excellent - that's going to please a lot of people if that's publicised
[14:43] <kancerman> new way unity/compiz is working is pretty cool, too :D
[15:10] <brandon_>  
[15:14] <Rods_Tiger> the gsettings idle-activation thing worked! Excellent, thanks
[15:19] <Ian_Corne> well thank trism :p he told you that last night :)
[16:03] <SpamapS> Curious.. has anyone run into this while trying to configure the latest kernel:
[16:03] <SpamapS> E: /usr/share/syslinux/debian/extlinux: No such file or directory
[16:13] <SpamapS> hmm.. seems extlinux causes issues when installed w/o recommends
[16:19] <archman_> hello
[16:19] <archman_> i am on the live session of oneiric and i am trying to run ccsm
[16:20] <archman_> when i enter a command in the alt + f2 prompt, nothing happens
[16:20] <archman_> any ideas?
[16:23] <Ian_Corne> it's not intall by default
[16:28] <archman_> Ian_Corne: i installed it now, but it does not appear i can use it..
[16:30] <archman_> aaargh, i installed it with that software center, but it seems it is not installed...
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> it's probably still busy?
[16:32] <archman_> works now
[16:32] <archman_> installed it with apt-get
[16:33] <archman_> i cannot seem to change the left bar width in it
[16:33] <archman_> any ideas?
[16:33] <archman_> left vertical bar
[16:58] <Ian_Corne> go to the Ubuntu unituy plugin
[16:58] <Ian_Corne> click experimental
[16:58] <Ian_Corne> and there you can change the icon size
[16:58] <Ian_Corne> that's what changes the width
[18:04] <Pici> !info python
[18:29] <rly> I would like adhoc networking to work in 11.04, but is appears that you need a fairly new kernel for that to work; one which is available in Ubuntu+1. Are there also backported kernels (with nvidia packages) available?
[18:30] <Pici> rly: no.
[18:30] <dsathe> Pici: still no luck on either a compile or a install of nvidia on a ck kernel
[18:30] <rly> Pici: it is quite disappointing that these basic things don't work (they did work in 10.10, so I have read)
[18:30] <dsathe> any ideas ?
[18:31] <jarnos> It seems like Oneiric installation made swap unavailable to other installatons.
[18:31] <rly> Pici: will installing Oneriric Ocelot release gremlins?
[18:31] <Pici> New kernel versions aren't backported, and I don't believe that the 3.x release was stuck in the kernel ppa.
[18:31] <Pici> rly: yes.
[18:31] <rly> Oneiric Ocelot*
[18:32] <Pici> Its rather often that people are asking in here about nvidia issues :/
[18:32] <jarnos> Is it safe to reformat swap partition so that Natty can use it?
[18:32] <dsathe> funny these issues seem very ubuntu specific too
[18:33] <dsathe> oneric specific more like it
[18:36] <trism> dsathe: may be something specific to the ck kernel, I build 3.0.1 with make-kpkg yesterday as a test and nvidia-current rebuilt for it without issues
[18:38] <rly> I find it curious that every single time I just have built the last released kernel everything has worked while distro specific kernels always have more bugs.
[18:42] <trism> dsathe: oh, actually as a test I just moved the source directories out of the way so the links to the source would be deleted and just the headers package used and I'm getting the same error you are
[18:42] <trism> dsathe: so you may want to try rebuilding the kernel with make-kpkg so you have the built source available
[18:49] <trism> dsathe: it seems the linux-headers package is missing some files the dkms scripts expect, but they are present in the source tree (vbox is dying on Makefile_32.cpu here according to make.log)
[19:04] <kyubutsu> it took me about 10 seconds to realize there are no dropdown menus in dolphin
[19:05] <kyubutsu> i like. i was inclined to do things without menus anyway.
[19:05] <kyubutsu> works
[19:05] <kyubutsu> o.0
[19:06] <kyubutsu> rekonq seems much more stable than in 11.04 for me
[19:08] <kyubutsu> and the new folder icons are cool too. but one of the best things is the font rendering . so much nicer to read nau
[19:12] <kyubutsu> i lied. it took me a day to realize there were no menus in dolphin..  i didnt miss them
[19:14] <kyubutsu> am expecting someone to say it's a big deal .. whos it gonna be?
[19:14] <kyubutsu> >:(
[19:14] <kyubutsu> good
[19:16] <kyubutsu> in all. am very excited for these set of smart changes for kde
[19:16] <kyubutsu> just so you know
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> hehe kyubutsu
[19:19] <kyubutsu> another small change, the default clock widget.. +1 !  o.0
[19:19] <jarnos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+bug/709363/comments/10
[19:19] <dsathe> trism:
[19:19] <dsathe> thanks tht is interesting
[19:19] <dsathe> i did notice broken symlinks
[19:20] <dsathe> in src from the headers right now
[19:20] <dsathe> lemme try that out ;)
[19:20] <dsathe> so what is causing this kpkg or binutils
[19:21] <dsathe> arch n gentoo forums seemd to be wailing about some diffs in binutils as culprit
[19:23] <BluesKaj> I wonder when the digital clock in thew panel will report the time in AMPM 12 hr format  as it does in KDE Clock settings Kontrol module
[19:23] <dsathe> trism: any way we can gen a log to see which step makefile fails at ?
[19:24] <trism> dsathe: the logs are in /var/lib/dkms/some_module/some_kernel_version/log/make.log
[19:24] <dsathe> nvidia-instll
[19:24] <dsathe> nvidia-installer.log
[19:24] <dsathe> from var
[19:24] <dsathe> /var/log
[19:24] <dsathe> also too cryptic
[19:24] <dsathe> does not tell u what exact file he's lookin for when he fails
[19:25] <dsathe> trism:  tht is too cryptic
[19:25] <trism> dsathe: it was straightforward here, can you pastebin yours?
[19:25] <trism> dsathe: oh you mean the path I gave?
[19:25] <dsathe> one sec
[19:25] <dsathe> no
[19:25] <dsathe> the error log in itslef
[19:26] <dsathe> it tells u failed
[19:26] <dsathe> does not give specific line numbers
[19:26] <dsathe> that one expects make to give
[19:27] <kyubutsu> BluesKaj: you mean three digit clock for 12hour format?
[19:27] <dsathe> heer u go http://pastebin.com/zVP7nCNn
[19:27] <dsathe> this one is from the nvidia binary
[19:27] <dsathe> wait ill post dkms logs too
[19:27] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, well it's 4 digits , but yes
[19:28] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, been a problem since natty was a baby
[19:28] <dsathe> the log gen by dkms is even more useless http://pastebin.com/k9DjN4e4
[19:29] <BluesKaj> now it's in oneiric
[19:29] <kyubutsu> its not so awkward to me. but i do agree it shouldnt show a zero upfront for am/pm time format
[19:31] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu,the "0" isn't problenm for me , I'm used to the time in AMPM , not the 24hr format , which it displays now no matter what the setting
[19:32] <trism> dsathe: right, I forgot about that, the log I was looking at was actually for the vbox modules (they killed the build before it could get to nvidia-current), they were more informative
[19:33] <kyubutsu> precisely
[19:33] <dsathe> could u pastebin those
[19:33] <dsathe> maybee i could figure out
[19:33] <dsathe> look asm symlinks
[19:33] <dsathe> were broken in /usr/src
[19:33] <dsathe> gen by kernel headers
[19:33] <dsathe> also surprising
[19:33] <dsathe> i think
[19:34] <dsathe> version.h could be causing it
[19:34] <trism> dsathe: sure one sec, I'll break it again and try to build both
[19:34] <dsathe> "-ck" is appended to version by ck patcheset
[19:34] <dsathe> could be casuing issues
[19:34] <dsathe> in way its being handeled
[19:35] <trism> dsathe: I don't think that is the issue, I appended -jco-05 to mine
[19:35] <dsathe> i did too
[19:35] <dsathe> i appended -ck-dsathe-rev5
[19:35] <dsathe> indicating my .config revisions
[19:35] <trism> dsathe: but it built correctly when I had the source available (failed with only the headers)
[19:35] <dsathe> yep
[19:35] <dsathe> thats why i said
[19:36] <dsathe> issue could be with kpkg or binutils
[19:36] <dsathe> while generating the kernel itself
[19:36] <dsathe> i mean headers
[19:36] <dsathe> dkms could be clean
[19:38] <dsathe> yep i restored the symlinks to build source now seems to be compiling :D
[19:38] <dsathe> nah
[19:39] <dsathe> wait a sec
[19:39] <dsathe> did u install the headers deb at all or not
[19:39] <dsathe> coz it failed
[19:39] <dsathe> i renamed the src to original
[19:39] <dsathe> and reinstalled both packages
[19:40] <dsathe> could that be a issue
[19:40] <dsathe> ?
[19:40] <trism> dsathe: yes I installed the headers deb, but with debs made with make-kpkg, the links will point to the source directory if available, but if missing, will be deleted and point to the headers path instead
[19:43] <BUGabundo> oias
[19:44] <BluesKaj> is there such a command as lshdmi ?...I have dci out on my graphics card with hdmi connector on the tv input end and phonon lists 9 hdmi outputs and they all output the "test sound" , so they must be bussed to thru soundcard , but there's no hdmi port on the graphics , or mobo . Anybody have a similsr setup .I find it rather odd.
[19:44] <BluesKaj> dci=dvi
[19:45] <ali1234> hmm
[19:45] <ali1234> i have dvi on my graphics card too. but i also have hdmi
[19:46] <BUGabundo> I have no sound .... for two days
[19:46] <ali1234> i heard that dvi doesn't carry the audio, even though it is electrically identical to hdmi
[19:46] <BUGabundo> any help?
[19:46] <ali1234> but that might be BS
[19:46] <BUGabundo> tried both trunk PPA and archive
[19:46] <trism> dsathe: when it fails I get the same make.log for nvidia as you, vbox has this log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/666738/
[19:46] <kjeldahl`> So am I the only one with two different task/window switchers active now (alt-tab)?? Anybody know how to get rid of the old one?
[19:47] <kyubutsu> BluesKaj: Digital Clock Settings>Appereance>Date Format   <---next to it there is a settings button for it, have you tried changing anything in there
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ali1234, no, dvi doesn't carry audio  , afaik ...maybe I should check the tv speakers , which I seldom use
[19:47] <dsathe> funny
[19:48] <dsathe> what patches u using ?
[19:48] <dsathe> jco ???
[19:48] <trism> dsathe: no patches, it is a stock 3.0.1 with a trimmed .config
[19:48] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, yes the lttle wrench icon is the KDE Clock Settings Kontrol Module
[19:48] <dsathe> kk
[19:49] <dsathe> mine seems to be fine
[19:49] <dsathe> lemme see ill brbr
[19:49]  * dsathe rebooting
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ali1234, nope no audio thru the dvi
[19:55] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, wait, you have a dvi cable going from your graphics card to an hdmi at the tv?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I have *no* audio.. none at all
[19:56] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what does the sound indicator say about this?
[19:57] <dsathe> back
[19:57] <dsathe> noticably faster kernels :)
[19:57] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I'm on lubuntu
[19:57] <BUGabundo> can't login to any gnome
[19:57] <BUGabundo> actually I can't even get to lightdm
[19:57] <BUGabundo> using startX
[19:57] <bjsnider> ...
[19:57] <BUGabundo> its not my fault you guys break it
[19:57] <bjsnider> i'd say you have worse problems than sound at this point
[19:58] <BUGabundo> no
[19:58] <BUGabundo> sound is the worse problem right now
[19:58] <BUGabundo> broken CIFS on boot is 2nd
[19:58] <BUGabundo> lightdm would be 3rd
[19:58] <BUGabundo> if this keeps up, this might be my last dev cycle
[19:59] <BUGabundo> finally getting tired of always having something broken
[19:59] <BUGabundo> so far 11.10 was the worse dev cycled I've been in :\
[19:59] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, yes . I bought an adapter cable dvi>hdmi . since there's ni hdmi out on the nvidia 8400gs
[19:59] <BluesKaj> no hdmi
[19:59] <dsathe> what is the command to increase lcd bbrightness
[19:59] <rly> BUGabundo: I agree in general. I don't know specifics in this case.
[19:59] <dsathe> ?
[19:59] <bjsnider> so then what is your procedure to carry audio to the tv, rf cables?
[20:00] <bjsnider> stereo plugs?
[20:00] <rly> I would like to know whether it is incompetence (unforgivable) or just ignorance (w.r.t. what the hardware does, which is forgivable)
[20:01] <bjsnider> best idea would be to buy a $50 nvidia gt 210 and just use hdmi
[20:01] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, no, I use spdif /digtal coax out to an DAC input on an audio receiver
[20:01] <BUGabundo> AH
[20:01] <BUGabundo> fonts changed again
[20:01] <BUGabundo> wth
[20:01] <MrDave> hello
[20:02] <MrDave> when i push on say, media apps icon in dash, it doesnt populate the applicatoins installed
[20:02] <MrDave> dash just dissapears
[20:03] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, my plasma tv is also my pc monitor ...it does double duty
[20:03] <dsathe> how do i increase my screen brightness/lcd backlight using command line , my right arrw tht increases brightness is spoilt :(
[20:04] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, an external dac. let me guess, the logitech z5500s, right?
[20:05] <rly> dsathe: you need platform support for that.
[20:05] <dsathe> such as ?
[20:05] <dsathe> yep its my func key
[20:05] <MrDave> im sorry is it to early to ask for support for Oncelot?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> no bjsnider , it's not an external DAC , it's the one on the Harman Kardon receiver
[20:05] <dsathe> plus a right arrow that does it
[20:05] <rly> dsathe: you need documentation for the exact platform as a developer.
[20:05] <bjsnider> ah, i c
[20:05] <rly> dsathe: or you have to reverse-engineer Windows drivers.
[20:05] <dsathe> the gnome 3 screen had a slider
[20:06] <dsathe> that  i used
[20:06] <rly> dsathe: so, e.g. Novell has supported certain devices.
[20:06] <dsathe> it disapperaed suddenly one day via some random update
[20:06] <dsathe> rly
[20:06] <rly> dsathe: they work, because they were designed to work.
[20:06] <dsathe> i was lookin at something simpler
[20:06] <dsathe> the key is physically spoilt
[20:06] <rly> dsathe: ok
[20:06] <dsathe> i used xmodmap to remap it
[20:07] <dsathe> to another
[20:07] <dsathe> but that one does not do the brightness up func
[20:07] <dsathe> with the Fn key combo
[20:07] <dsathe> is there a comment to emulate a keypress
[20:07] <dsathe> tht way i could simulatex86BrightnesUp
[20:07] <dsathe> or soething like that
[20:08] <rly> dsathe: which laptop is this btw?
[20:08] <dsathe> XF86KbdBrightnessUp
[20:08] <dsathe> acer
[20:09] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, alsa does a great job of passing the DTS and DD signals thru VLC to the receiver ..I'm quite impressed.One has to get the settings right in the VLC tools/audio section tho.
[20:10] <MrDave> when i push on say, media apps icon in dash, it doesn't populate the applications installed
[20:11] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, pulse was supposed to have passthru by now
[20:11] <BluesKaj> yes it does , but I don't bother with pulseaudio
[20:15] <MrDave> should i not ask for help yet?
[20:16] <MrDave> lol
[20:17] <billybigrigger> hey all
[20:17] <MrDave> dont bother
[20:17] <MrDave> lol
[20:17] <billybigrigger> i'm just doing an upgrade to 11.10, just wondering is lightdm now the default as setup is asking me to choose between gdm and lightdm...
[20:18] <billybigrigger> and i would prefer to choose whatever 11.10 is going to use as default
[20:18] <Pici> billybigrigger: lightdm
[20:18] <bjsnider> !ask
[20:18] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, go with gdm, from what I've seen there's bugs in lightdm
[20:19] <bjsnider> MrDave, ^^^
[20:19] <MrDave> billybigrigger,  heres a good article on that,  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html
[20:19] <Pici> :/
[20:19] <Pici> billybigrigger: The plan as I understand it is to use lightdm.
[20:19] <dsathe> XF86KbdBrightnessUp how can i emulate thi event ?
[20:19] <billybigrigger> alright thanks for the input guys :) appreciate it
[20:19] <MrDave> webupd8 tells you how to set lightDM up
[20:20] <billybigrigger> 11.10 has now switched to gtk3 aswell correct?
[20:20] <dsathe> yep
[20:20] <billybigrigger> right arm
[20:21] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: ping
[20:22] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: just wanted to give you a high five! hah it's been awhile, catch ya on the flip side
[20:23] <bjsnider> he can't hear pings anymore since his sound doesn't work
[20:24] <billybigrigger> any major show stoppers with the 3.0.0 kernel yet?
[20:24] <billybigrigger> or is that just a kernel version change for the bling factor?
[20:24] <bjsnider> the latter
[20:24] <billybigrigger> i've been away from my computers for waaaay too long :P
[20:26] <billybigrigger> any new decent games out for nix lately?
[20:26] <billybigrigger> native or ports?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: pong
[20:26] <billybigrigger> hah thanks bud :P
[20:27] <BUGabundo> thank you bug
[20:27] <BUGabundo> *bud
[20:27] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: correrct. but I can see the blue highlit
[20:28] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo: how the hell are ya?
[20:31] <BUGabundo> tired
[20:31] <BUGabundo> hot
[20:31] <BUGabundo> too hot today
[20:31] <BUGabundo> AC is off
[20:31] <BUGabundo> maybe I should turn it on! are you one Google Plus or something ?
[20:34] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, do you have g+ yourself?
[20:39] <billybigrigger> wtf is google plus...ill look into it
[20:39] <billybigrigger> google IM i'm guessing?
[20:40] <billybigrigger> ahh google's take on facebook
[20:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: prolific
[20:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://l.BUGabundo.net/Plus
[20:40] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: WOW you were *really* away :O
[20:40] <billybigrigger> oh yeah buddy haha
[20:41] <billybigrigger> what's the best way to install nvidia drivers....dl and run the .run or alternate drivers via ubuntu
[20:41] <billybigrigger> errr...i should say less hassle not best way
[20:42] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: not running blob at all :)
[20:42] <BUGabundo> but if you really really want, jockey
[20:43] <billybigrigger> well native ubuntu doesn't like my hdtv, i cant see any of the top or bottom, meaning i have to create launchers for everything on the desktop, ie, /home, terminal, etc etc
[20:43] <billybigrigger> hoping the drivers in 11.10 will be better than .04
[20:43] <billybigrigger> and maybe i can figure out this resolution problem
[20:43] <ikonia> you do know they are not made by ubuntu right ?
[20:43] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger: that wont help
[20:43] <billybigrigger> xorg drivers
[20:43] <Ian_Corne> tvs cut off part of the resolution
[20:44] <ikonia> billybigrigger: yes, you know they are not made by ubuntu ?
[20:44] <billybigrigger> yeah, by xorg
[20:44] <Ian_Corne> an hdtv is not really 1920x1080 visible
[20:44] <billybigrigger> i hate to say this but winblows 7 has no problem, i'd prefer to get it sorted in .10 so i can quit using it on this desktop
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[20:45] <billybigrigger> so if 7 can do it, i'm sure i can get it figured on .10
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> weird :)
[20:45] <billybigrigger> mind you i got it configured correctly via nvidia system control, so i was thinking i'd need the 280.13 drivers in ubuntu aswell
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> i've found something in amdcccle, it lets you select PAL as screen size
[20:46] <ikonia> billybigrigger: it's called "windows"
[20:46]  * billybigrigger hates the word
[20:46] <ikonia> billybigrigger: the xorg drivers for nvidia are made by nvidia - not xorg,
[20:47] <billybigrigger> since when?
[20:47]  * billybigrigger didn't know that
[20:47] <bjsnider> forever
[20:47] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, yup, 280.13 is best so far , works well with my elcheapo 8400gs ..no res probs
[20:47] <ikonia> billybigrigger: since always
[20:47] <ikonia> billybigrigger: they are a closed source product made by nvidia
[20:47] <ali1234> HDTV *better* be 1080 visible, otherwise it's only "HD ready"
[20:47] <billybigrigger> hmmmm learn something new every day
[20:47] <ikonia> billybigrigger: hence why problems can't really be resolved, as they are closed to all but nvidia
[20:48] <bjsnider> nvidia also has its own closed-source opengl system. they don't use mesa at all
[20:48] <ikonia> billybigrigger: they have to be compatible with 200+ distribution using many different versions of libc/xorg/kernel in different combination
[20:48] <billybigrigger> well i guess it's 280.13 for me
[20:48] <ikonia> hence why they don't always work
[20:49] <BluesKaj> ali1234, plasma tv here , 1920x1080 res is just fine
[20:50] <BluesKaj> tv info setting rads 1080p
[20:50] <BluesKaj> reads
[20:51] <Pretto> tsclient was removed from repository?
[20:51] <coz_> !tsclient
[20:51] <BluesKaj> Pretto, seems so
[20:53] <Pretto> BluesKaj: ok, thank you
[20:53] <billybigrigger> \?220
[20:56] <billybigrigger> ÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÉÈ+*UI?&
[20:56] <billybigrigger_> hmm compiz crash already :(
[20:57] <coz_> billybigrigger,  do you have the crash report plugin enabled?
[20:58] <billybigrigger_> if not enabled by default then no, all i can see right now is my background, im running off my 52" hdtv via hdmi and resolution is messed up
[20:58] <billybigrigger_> alt-f2 doesnt work so i have to create launchers for everything off the desktop
[21:00] <billybigrigger_> anywho, i see that jockey STILL doesn't show you what version of a driver it's installing...ie i have 2 choices for nvidia drivers, NVIDIA accelerated grapchics driver (version currenct [Recommended] or Experimental 3D support for Nvidia cards, neither show a driver version number
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> the current is 280.13
[21:00] <billybigrigger_> yup i know it is
[21:00] <Ian_Corne> ok
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> jockey doesn't say anywhere what version im installing
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> how do i know it's installing 280.13? :P
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> apt-cache policy nvidia-current!
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> i thought i filled a bug report on this lonnnnnggggg time ago :P
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> that's not what i'm getting it
[21:01] <billybigrigger_> at
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> I know
[21:01] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:02] <billybigrigger_> :P
[21:03] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger_, stay away from the experimental , nvidia current should be the 280
[21:03] <billybigrigger_> i will say this, ubuntu is alot easier to look at compared to winblows 7 on this tv
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> BluesKaj, i see that experimental is free drivers, not licensed, so i'm assuming they are very new, i stayed away from them :P
[21:04] <billybigrigger_> ok need a restart, brb
[21:04] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger_, good cuz i tried the experimental...broke X
[21:05] <billybigrigger> damn resolution, have to hard restart my computer because i canèt see anything
[21:06] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, ok , one thing ..there's a chance you may need to do a nomodeset in grub
[21:06] <Ian_Corne> apw: hey
[21:09] <billybigrigger_> hmm this is messed right up
[21:09] <MrDave> is the ATi driver safe to install on 11.10, anyone know?
[21:10] <ikonia> which ati driver ?
[21:10] <MrDave> radeon
[21:10] <ikonia> which one
[21:10] <Ian_Corne> if it's in jockey, it should be safe I think
[21:10] <MrDave> oh
[21:10] <MrDave> ATi, HD3700
[21:10] <MrDave> ccc
[21:10] <MrDave> fglxr
[21:11] <MrDave> i the only duel booter here?
[21:11] <BluesKaj> fglrx /
[21:12] <MrDave> not good?
[21:12] <Ian_Corne> MrDave: you're dual booting 11.04 and 11.10?
[21:12] <BluesKaj> MrDave, dunno
[21:12] <MrDave> nah ocelot/win7
[21:12] <MrDave> n
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> ah
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> I've got win7 on here too
[21:13] <MrDave> i wish i could have 3 boot options, i would like to have fedora on the same drive
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> but i can't last longer then an hour
[21:14] <MrDave> lol
[21:14] <ikonia> MrDave: that would be unwise
[21:14] <MrDave> y?
[21:14] <ikonia> ubuntu's grub2 configuration is not helpful for multi-distro booting
[21:15] <MrDave> i see, what would i need to do that
[21:15] <Ian_Corne> and also, running fedora and ubuntu on the same homedir
[21:15] <ikonia> nothing. its a bad idea
[21:15] <Ian_Corne> will get your sessions messed up
[21:15] <MrDave> oh
[21:15] <ikonia> don't share home
[21:16] <Ian_Corne> you can do it, but it's a hassle :)
[21:16] <MrDave> i dont want too, i want to install fedora on a seperate partition
[21:16] <Ian_Corne> well, obviously on a seperate partition :)
[21:17] <MrDave> i dont know how to make it so that partition is bootable though
[21:17] <Ian_Corne> gparted
[21:17] <MrDave> oh
[21:17] <Ian_Corne> but see, if you don't know this, you're in for a world of pain :)
[21:17] <MrDave> can i use gparted to make say, a HAIKU OS partition bootable?
[21:18] <ikonia> MrDave: did you put a bootloader on that partition ?
[21:18] <MrDave> i have not created it
[21:18] <MrDave> i have 2 as of now
[21:19] <MrDave> ubutnu/win partitions
[21:19] <MrDave> hehe damn beer
[21:20] <MrDave> anyone checked out HAIKU, its really cool
[21:21] <MrDave> www.HAIKU-OS.org
[21:21] <MrDave> anyhow, another OS welcome to the GNU family
[21:21] <MrDave> >:)
[21:21] <IdleOne> this is the Ubuntu dev release channel not the advertise other distro channel
[21:22] <MrDave> HAIKU has nothing to do with any linux distro
[21:22] <MrDave> im just chattin general
[21:22] <IdleOne> this is also not a general chat channel, you may want to try #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus
[21:22] <MrDave> HAIKU is forked from BeOS
[21:22] <MrDave> ok sheesh
[21:22] <IdleOne> thank you.
[21:23] <MrDave> where all GPL family. >:)
[21:23] <IdleOne> but each member of the family has their own house
[21:25] <MrDave> i would like to thank all the developers for Linux for providing such great free software.
[21:25] <Ian_Corne> MrDave: this is an official channel, it is logged, just general chatter can be had in the channels IdleOne gave you :)
[21:25] <MrDave> ok
[21:26] <MrDave> i cant say thnx, sheesh
[21:26] <MrDave> >:)
[21:27] <MrDave> it got humid an hot again here
[21:27] <BluesKaj> wow, methinks there could be a little lightening up in here folks
[21:28] <Ian_Corne> hehe :)
[21:28] <MrDave> so what chan can goto for 11.10 troubleshooting
[21:28] <BUGabundo> here
[21:29] <MrDave> like i click an Icon is dash, an then dash just closes
[21:31] <MrDave> lol
[21:31] <MrDave> anyone else have that prob?
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> hey all
[21:32] <MrDave> wb
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> figured out the Overscan option in nvidia settings helped out my resolution problem
[21:32] <MrDave> i guess no one understands
[21:32] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger_, cool
[21:32] <billybigrigger_> that hdtv's overscan :P
[21:33] <billybigrigger_> still can't see bugger all haha
[21:33] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[21:33] <billybigrigger_> have to change my xchat font to 16 to be able to see this window
[21:33] <Ian_Corne> take a picture, so we know what you're talking about? :p
[21:33] <MrDave> me?
[21:33] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_:
[21:33] <billybigrigger_> no i got the desktop viewable, just that fonts are too tiny to read
[21:33] <Ian_Corne> I don't see hwat your problem is MrDave
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: change your DPI?
[21:34] <MrDave> the icons in dash
[21:34] <billybigrigger_> camt find font settings in 11.10 now
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> except I don't know where i can find that
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> gnome-appearence-settings is gone :D
[21:34] <MrDave> when you click on one it brings a list of installed apps up...
[21:34] <billybigrigger_> yeah i know
[21:35] <MrDave> when i do that, dash simply closes
[21:35] <billybigrigger_> MrDave, report a bug, i'll confirm it
[21:35] <MrDave> oh
[21:35] <billybigrigger_> media apps, internet apps, more apps, anything i click kills the dash
[21:35] <MrDave> yep
[21:36] <billybigrigger_> the search bar still works for me
[21:36] <MrDave> metoo
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> Ahan I see what you mean MrDave
[21:36] <billybigrigger_> so if i knew the name of the font settings app i could change my dpi :P
[21:36] <billybigrigger_> ............................
[21:36] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger_, I'm using 13 font size , but my tv is 42' , so you'llrobly need15 or more
[21:36] <BluesKaj> err 42"
[21:36] <Ian_Corne> billybigrigger_: i've searched for font in the system setings, but it's not found anything :p
[21:36] <billybigrigger_> alt-f2 run dialog gone in 11.10 too?
[21:37] <billybigrigger_> ahhh
[21:37] <billybigrigger_> gconf still works :)
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> no billybigrigger_
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> it should still work
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> it does for me
[21:37] <billybigrigger_> in gconf /desktop/gnome/font_rendering
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> updating now tho
[21:37] <billybigrigger_> dpi is set to 96...i dont really know which way to go with this being a hdtv
[21:38] <billybigrigger_> anyone here a font guru? that could lend a hand?
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> bigger
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> go bigger
[21:38] <billybigrigger_> on what scale
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> try 120? :p
[21:38] <billybigrigger_> hehe love your random thoughts haha
[21:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, always wondered where the font settings are in gnome ....kde is application appearance/..set the dpi to 120 ..it's smoother on an hdtv
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> 120 rings a bell billybigrigger_
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> 72 also
[21:39] <billybigrigger_> any quick ways of restarting gnome these days? i remember ctrl alt backspace used to restart gdm, but not anymore since i'm using lightdm
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> logout
[21:39] <Ian_Corne> and login
[21:40] <BluesKaj> bbl
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> wonderful
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> try to update
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> "update manager has closed.."
[21:41] <billybigrigger_> setting the dpi to 120 did sfa
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> sfa?
[21:41] <billybigrigger_> sweet eff all
[21:41] <Ian_Corne> you shouldn't have to restart gnome btw :p
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> altho i don't know if you use gconf
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> maybe the gconf settings were for gnome2...
[21:42] <Ian_Corne> i've seen some1 use gsettings
[21:47] <billybigrigger_> cmon no devs around can tell me how to change the font dpi?
[21:47] <MrDave> their crabby
[21:47] <MrDave> heheh
[21:48] <billybigrigger_> we are now running gnome3 in 11.10 correct?
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> yes
[21:49] <billybigrigger_> ok
[21:50] <billybigrigger_> atleast i can start looking in #gnome or the web...this is kinda bs considering someone in here knows the answer to a simple question...
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> ..
[21:51] <MrDave> whats mindmapping
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> maybe they're not around atm?
[21:55] <billybigrigger_> #gnome is very helpful :P
[21:55] <billybigrigger_> fyi, dconf is for gnome3 settings
[21:55] <billybigrigger_> just to let everyone know
[21:55] <billybigrigger_> and gnome-tweak-tool lets you freely scale the font dpi, apparently the dpi is all hardcoded to 96 in gnome3
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> ok
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> eww
[21:58] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:00] <billybigrigger_> gnome-tweak-tool seems the best way to change dpi
[22:00] <billybigrigger_> you can change system fonts, text scaling factor, hinting, and AA in there
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> i guess you can change gnome3 themes in there too
[22:04] <jonne> apt is having issues with a broken package named libmono-webbrowser4.0-cil_2.10.3-1_all.deb . is there something i can do to fix this or do i have to wait for the maintainers to fix the issue?
[22:05] <jonne> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libmono-webbrowser4.0-cil_2.10.3-1_all.deb (--unpack):
[22:05] <jonne>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/mono/4.0/Mono.WebBrowser.dll', which is also in package libmono-webbrowser0.5-cil 2.10.1-4ubuntu1
[22:12] <jbicha> jonne: you can manually force remove the 0.5 version and install the 4.0 one, or just wait
[22:13] <jbicha> billybigrigger_: alt+f2 isn't gone, it just may not be working as well in new Unity, keyboard shortcuts especially have had issues
[22:15] <billybigrigger_> ok thank jbicha
[22:15] <billybigrigger_> anyone know how to disable audio via hdmi in with an nvidia card?
[22:16] <billybigrigger_> i have dvi out from my 9800gtx+ going to hdmi in on my tv...
[22:16] <billybigrigger_> and 3.5 jack out to L/R rca's for my audio in on my tv
[22:16] <jbicha> billybigrigger_: no idea, but did you try Sound Setttings?
[22:16] <billybigrigger_> music worked fine this way in winblows 7
[22:16] <billybigrigger_> so i know it works
[22:16] <IdleOne> unplug it
[22:16] <billybigrigger_> unplug what?
[22:17] <jonne> sudo apt-get -f remove libmono-webbrowser0.5-cil  ?
[22:17] <jonne> doesn't seem to work
[22:18] <billybigrigger_> IdleOne, unplug what?
[22:19] <IdleOne> billybigrigger: sorry I misunderstood what you were asking.
[22:23] <jbicha> jonne: yeah, it's not a simple one to workaround, I think I used Synaptic, it's probably safer to just wait for it to get fixed
[22:26]  * micahg made a patch for the mono issue, but we're waiting on a sync from experimental to fix it
[22:41] <jonne> well, x is broken too, so, yeah
[22:42] <jonne> i'll just use cli for now on that box
[22:42] <BUGabundo> nite folks
[22:43] <Ian_Corne> gn
[23:57] <gogeta1> heh unity 2d doesent make me wanna hulk smash my server
[23:58] <kyubutsu> clock works, cannot reproduce your bug, BluesKaj