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| rickspencer3 | jasoncwarner_, back yet? | 05:30 |
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| jasoncwarner_ | rickspencer3: yeah, finally done catching up on my email as well...*phew* | 06:53 |
| rickspencer3 | hey jasoncwarner_, how was your trip back? | 06:54 |
| jasoncwarner_ | rickspencer3: I think I understand the benefits of having your own plane ;) Other than that epiphany, uneventful. | 06:55 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 06:55 |
| rickspencer3 | jasoncwarner_, start saving up! | 06:55 |
| rickspencer3 | uneventful == good in air travel | 06:56 |
| bschaefer | :q | 06:56 |
| bschaefer | opps, wrong window | 06:56 |
| RAOF | You need emacs for an IRC-in-editor environment :) | 06:57 |
| bschaefer | haha, Iam happy with vim | 06:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, interesting read - http://www.extremetech.com/internet/92558-how-browsers-make-money-or-why-google-needs-firefox | 07:09 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:09 |
| Sweetshark | Moin Hackers! | 07:10 |
| * Sweetshark just brutally hit end-of-vacation. | 07:10 | |
| bryceh | Sweetshark, welcome back | 07:16 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hey Sweetshark ... hope the holiday was fun! | 07:17 |
| jasoncwarner_ | bryceh: how are things? getting enough rest? | 07:17 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:29 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning pitti, how are you? | 07:33 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 07:33 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: got a flu again, apparently :/ | 07:34 |
| pitti | today is a national holiday, but I need to catch up with some work | 07:34 |
| pitti | how are you? | 07:34 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - oh, that's not good :( | 07:34 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm not too bad thanks | 07:34 |
| pitti | hey RAOF | 07:38 |
| RAOF | pitti, Good morning! | 07:42 |
| Sweetshark | jasoncwarner_: the weather was meh, but other than that it was quite good ;) | 07:48 |
| bryceh | hi jasoncwarner_, some days are better than others... | 07:49 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: hmmm, 3.3.3-1ubuntu2 seems to be still stuck in proposed. Is there a reason for that? | 07:50 |
| pitti | hey Sweetshark, how are you? | 07:51 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: ah, on pending-sru it appears that only 1/3 are verified, but the other two are okay | 07:51 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I would not have minded another week, but other than that fine ;). And yourself? | 07:51 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: so, I'll do an -updates SRU round now | 07:52 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: just getting a flu, but other than that, fine! was on holidays and then on desktop summit | 07:52 |
| pitti | time to get productive again | 07:52 |
| pedro_ | hello folks | 07:52 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: do you know what's up with libo 3.4? | 07:52 |
| pitti | hey pedro_ | 07:52 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: the most recent package for 3.4 is https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-oneirictest-20110718/+sourcepub/1824411/+listing-archive-extra | 07:54 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: but it is missing mono still. I have to look at git.debian.org to see _rene_s work in the meantime. He seems to have been quite active in the last week. | 07:56 |
| dpm | good morning all | 08:35 |
| dpm | thanks pitti for helping out kelemengabor with the langpacks last week! | 08:35 |
| pitti | hey dpm | 08:36 |
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| desrt | good morning, peeps | 10:08 |
| desrt | quiet morning :) | 10:13 |
| Sweetshark | desrt: psst, dont disturb it, morning is having a nap and looks quite cute doing so ... | 10:20 |
| desrt | k. i'll come back shortly. | 10:22 |
| pitti | hey desrt, how are you? | 10:24 |
| desrt | pitti: sssshhh | 10:24 |
| desrt | ;) | 10:24 |
| desrt | i'm good. still a bit on eurotime, though :) | 10:25 |
| desrt | RAOF: are you awake? | 10:55 |
| RAOF | desrt, Yo. Luck is with you! | 10:55 |
| desrt | nice :) | 10:55 |
| desrt | can you tell me about the external displayport connector on my t420s? | 10:55 |
| RAOF | I'd actually expect it to work on 11.10? | 10:56 |
| desrt | let me run updates and get back to you | 10:56 |
| RAOF | Oh, unless you've got a t420s with nvidia/intel optimus? | 10:56 |
| desrt | yes. i do. | 10:56 |
| desrt | it was mandatory because i'm canadian. | 10:56 |
| desrt | (?!?!) | 10:56 |
| RAOF | Well, then. It's entirely possible that the displayport connector is only hooked up to the nvidia card. | 10:57 |
| RAOF | Or, the intel card. | 10:57 |
| desrt | i'm on the intel right now | 10:57 |
| RAOF | I'm not sure which, or even if they've done that particular brand of madness. | 10:57 |
| desrt | fwiw, the dock has 2 dvi and 2 displayport connectors too | 10:57 |
| desrt | and i see neither | 10:57 |
| RAOF | Man, the combination of docking and optimus. It's a match made in heaven! | 10:58 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt might know more about the details of the t420s? | 10:58 |
| desrt | Sarvatt: hihi? :) | 10:58 |
| desrt | i essentially want to murder everyone who works at the ordering/shipping departments of lenovo at this point | 10:59 |
| RAOF | Basically, hybrid graphics are made of linux hate. :( | 10:59 |
| desrt | i have the nvidia completely disabled in the bios | 10:59 |
| desrt | if i was in the US i could have ordered a core i7 laptop with intel-only | 10:59 |
| desrt | because i'm canadian, i was forced to get optimus if i wanted the i7 | 10:59 |
| RAOF | !!! | 10:59 |
| desrt | ya...... | 10:59 |
| * cdbs also has an optimus laptop | 10:59 | |
| desrt | what's really cool is that they're all made in china.... | 11:00 |
| desrt | and shipped from the same freaking factory | 11:00 |
| RAOF | Lenovo are generally pretty good about wiring things up reasonably. I'd *hope* that they've taken the effort to actually wire up both GPUs to all the outputs. | 11:00 |
| cdbs | desrt: Same here, I was forced to shit around with optimus if I wanted a Sandy Bridge i7 | 11:00 |
| cdbs | RAOF: Lenovo is good at that, there is often a mux in those ones. | 11:00 |
| desrt | cdbs: canuck? | 11:00 |
| cdbs | canuck? | 11:01 |
| desrt | oh. mux. | 11:01 |
| cdbs | what is that? | 11:01 |
| desrt | that's a word i've heard before | 11:01 |
| desrt | canadian | 11:01 |
| cdbs | Mux -> Graphic Multiplexer | 11:01 |
| desrt | ya. i know that. | 11:01 |
| desrt | i've seen some message in an error log somewhere about some mux operation failing | 11:01 |
| desrt | i can't seem to find it right now | 11:02 |
| RAOF | That'd likely be vga_switcheroo, which should be able to twiddle your mux bits (if you've got one). But it's not going to work - and shouldn't be necessary - if you've turned off the nvidia in the bios. | 11:02 |
| RAOF | And, obviously, when I say "should" and "shouldn't" there, I'm using the lightly-tested versions. | 11:03 |
| desrt | ah | 11:03 |
| desrt | that's probably why i don't see the error anymore | 11:03 |
| desrt | i think i only had it before i switched off the nvidia | 11:03 |
| desrt | and now i don't see it anymore | 11:03 |
| gema | oh, more people mad at lenovo, that's good. They shipped to me a faulty T520, with the cougar point problem that intel admitted back in January :( | 11:03 |
| desrt | it's worth noting that the bios itself has an option to direct the primary display to the VGA port | 11:03 |
| desrt | but not to the displayport | 11:03 |
| RAOF | I wonder if that error means you don't have a mux, and are in the unenviable position of waiting until drm gets support and then the Xserver gets rewritten to handle it. | 11:04 |
| desrt | i'm quite happy to have the nvidia hate disabled completely from bios | 11:05 |
| desrt | so hopefully i don't need to twiddle any bits from linux | 11:05 |
| * cdbs 's bios doesn't have any option to disable the nvidia card | 11:05 | |
| desrt | cdbs: :( | 11:05 |
| chrisccoulson | oops, seeing desrt just reminded me that i never turned on the gio extension in thunderbird ;) | 11:05 |
| RAOF | desrt, Just as long as it's not like my netbook, where the HDMI port just isn't wired up to anything but the nvidia card :) | 11:05 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: !!! | 11:05 |
| desrt | RAOF: let me do some googling | 11:06 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/revision/393 ;) | 11:06 |
| desrt | huh | 11:07 |
| desrt | something is seriously wrong here | 11:07 |
| desrt | the battery lasts me a couple of hours | 11:07 |
| desrt | according to reviews i'm reading, they get 5 | 11:07 |
| * desrt boggles | 11:07 | |
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| chrisccoulson | gaah, my laptop is so slow | 11:17 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Hi Martin, thanks for approving the gdm and g-s-d MPs. Is there anything else that makes you hesitate as regards the accountsservice and l-s MPs, or do you just need more time to review the code? | 11:18 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: hey | 11:19 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: I haven't dug far enough through my mail backlog to see your updated MPs, so mostly time | 11:20 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Ok, I see. ;-) | 11:20 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: this still uses popen(), though, AFAICS | 11:20 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Yes, but I added a check that should take care of the security issue. | 11:21 |
| pitti | why not just use g_spawn_sync()? that's safe (by avoiding shell), and easy to use | 11:21 |
| pitti | anyway, if you need help with this, that's fine | 11:22 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: I simply failed to make it work - spent several hours on it ... Some help would be nice, indeed. | 11:23 |
| desrt | this is the point at which i become extremely unhappy | 11:23 |
| desrt | RAOF_: so. if i switch to "discrete only" graphics in the BIOS then i suddenly have the option to use the digital displayports as primary outputs | 11:24 |
| desrt | RAOF_: unfortunately, setting this option has the unfortunate sideeffect of causing both ubuntu and fedora to lock up on boot | 11:25 |
| * desrt inches closer to wanting to seriously harm someone at lenovo | 11:25 | |
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| GunnarHj | pitti: Hmm.. Safe by avoiding shell when calling a shell script that calls several other shell scripts. Is it possibly better in this case, after all, to test for odd characters in the arguments? | 11:31 |
| pitti | that would be good to do as well, but these two address different issue | 11:32 |
| pitti | s | 11:32 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: I see. The code for testing for odd characters is already there. | 11:32 |
| desrt | RAOF_: [ 1.979856] [drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info] *ERROR* MUX INFO call failed | 11:49 |
| desrt | RAOF_: that's the error | 11:49 |
| Sweetshark | which is the right command to get a multiarch path like /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/? | 12:08 |
| cdbs | Any idea why aptdaemon isn't sending DBus signals for transactions? I'm working on SC integration in Unity but this is a roadblock right now | 12:36 |
| desrt | holy crap | 12:40 |
| desrt | while everyone was speculating about microsoft buying nokia, google just bought motorola | 12:40 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: yeah, weird | 12:42 |
| mdeslaur | desrt: a funny move, as now all phone vendors have direct competition from google itself | 12:43 |
| desrt | mdeslaur: this was sort of the problem with the nexus models... | 12:43 |
| desrt | google was attempting to circumvent its business partners, leading to difficult situations | 12:43 |
| desrt | will obviously be quite a bit worse of a situation now | 12:44 |
| mdeslaur | yeah...it's a weird move, unless they announce that they're not going to produce actual devices anymore and just bought motorola for their patent portfolio | 12:44 |
| mdeslaur | maybe they had trouble finding partners for chromeos, and motorola is their only viable solution | 12:45 |
| desrt | could be | 12:45 |
| desrt | i suppose it's too much to hope that the acquisition is an attempt to shake things up in the phone market | 12:45 |
| jbicha | my first guess was it's for the patents, but maybe Google would like to try some hardware distribution too | 12:45 |
| jbicha | if they can ever figure out how to succeed at hardware, that could help them diversify from 97% search revenue | 12:46 |
| mdeslaur | jbicha: oh, the only reason they would want hardware is to _maintain_ their 97% search revenue | 12:47 |
| mdeslaur | that's why they created android in the first place | 12:47 |
| * Sweetshark grumbles f***ing multiarch. | 12:56 | |
| desrt | i love multiarch | 12:56 |
| desrt | but it seems quite unfortunate that they elected not to use debian archnames | 12:57 |
| cdbs | mdeslaur, desrt: It had also become obvious lately that Google hates it when its partners modify Android and slap custom skins | 13:05 |
| cdbs | mdeslaur, desrt: Having a hardware manufacturer in hand will send the message across to all partners: "Keep pace with Motorola, its a role model for you all" | 13:06 |
| mdeslaur | cdbs: you assume there won't be a mass exodus of partners :P | 13:07 |
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| kostas_ | hello i have a problem startup manager cannot open? | 13:34 |
| BigWhale | Reboot is still not back in the system menu?? is this permanent now? | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | BigWhale, it is in the shutdown dialog | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | not sure if it is permanent or not | 13:41 |
| BigWhale | oh | 13:41 |
| BigWhale | lol | 13:41 |
| BigWhale | ok then I guess | 13:41 |
| BigWhale | I was just afraid that it is gone for good... like... you can't restart.. just shutdown. :) | 13:42 |
| BigWhale | kenvandine, btw, I'm back from my vacation... and I noticed that my python code for EDS now works | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | woot | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | yes it does :) | 13:43 |
| BigWhale | that was the first thing I did when I got home at 2am apt-get dist-upgrade and ./python-eds-1.py :> | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | hehe :) | 13:43 |
| cyphermox | pitti: poke. can you confirm you got an email from me just now? | 14:19 |
| cyphermox | (evo said Timed out, and is acting up) | 14:19 |
| pitti | cyphermox: confirmed, "Enablement of 3G devices,..." | 14:24 |
| dobey | hey pitti | 14:27 |
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| pitti | hey dobey | 14:29 |
| dobey | how's it going? | 14:29 |
| pitti | very slow today, flu/bit of fever :( but I did quite some post-holiday/conference catch-up | 14:31 |
| pitti | how about yourself? | 14:31 |
| dobey | pretty good. hope you feel better quickly :) | 14:33 |
| * pitti AFK, back to bed | 14:42 | |
| Guest87159 | #freenode | 15:02 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, hey, sorry to hear your not feeling well, up to answering a bit of an odd question for me? | 15:29 |
| rickspencer3 | is it possible for me to stuff gwibber and desktopcouch into a cgroup so they can't hog my CPU? | 15:29 |
| * rickspencer3 pets little netbook | 15:29 | |
| madnick | Im sorry for asking this here, but I have been working on this for 2 hours, the unity greeter compiles fine using the ./configure .. make .. make install, however parts of it using valac does not work, "Does not exist in the context of X", I am passing all --pkg arguments that is used by the make system. Especially X.CreatePixmap seems to be the problem. | 15:31 |
| rickspencer3 | hi madnick | 15:32 |
| madnick | hi | 15:32 |
| rickspencer3 | if no one here can help, #ayatana is ready for questions exactly like this | 15:32 |
| madnick | thanks, can i cross post? :) | 15:33 |
| rickspencer3 | madnick, of course | 15:33 |
| madnick | :) | 15:34 |
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| jjardon | rickspencer3: maybe this helps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635119 | 15:58 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 635119 in VteTerminal "[PATCH] automatically create a subcgroup in the cpu hierarchy for each widget" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:58 |
| * rickspencer3 looks | 15:58 | |
| rickspencer3 | thanks jjardon | 15:58 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm getting my ass kicked trying to figure out how to configure cgroups myself | 15:58 |
| Guest85644 | chao | 16:18 |
| BigWhale | I am too much into this Linux thing... I just asked people in the office, 'How is MONO for Windows called, I have to install it...' | 16:18 |
| dobey | BigWhale: pretty sure mono on windows is still called mono, but you can use the official MS .Net stuff too if you want. :) | 17:07 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, so, that gio extension doesn't even build (http://goo.gl/jrWLw) :( | 18:37 |
| * chrisccoulson adds to list of things to fix | 18:38 | |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: all in good time | 20:05 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, i'll get it working anyway ;) | 20:13 |
| desrt | free beer is on the line! | 20:13 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, fantastic. jo has gone to work and my daughter has hidden the other house key :/ | 20:22 |
| chrisccoulson | so i can't lock my front door | 20:22 |
| chrisccoulson | that's not good | 20:22 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: stay home forever! | 20:25 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, oh, i was planning to stay at home. i would like to be able to lock the door so i can sleep at some point though :) | 20:26 |
| desrt | do you really live in such a bad neighbourhood? | 20:27 |
| desrt | . o O ( hmm... if he is forced to stay awake, maybe he'll work on the thunderbird+gio thing... ) | 20:28 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: good point. with all that's going on in the UK lately, you can't be too careful! | 20:28 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 20:28 |
| chrisccoulson | desrt, my neighbourhood isn't that bad, but i wouldn't be able to sleep with the door unlocked and my daughter upstairs | 20:29 |
| desrt | chrisccoulson: so i guess you'll have to find something to do to keep yourself awake ;) | 20:31 |
| chrisccoulson | that shouldn't be too difficult | 20:31 |
| chrisccoulson | and if all else fails, i can just make some coffee | 20:31 |
| desrt | delicious and nutritious! | 20:31 |
| Laney | just like chicken? | 20:34 |
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