=== RAOF_ is now known as RAOF === asac_ is now known as asac [05:30] jasoncwarner_, back yet? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:53] rickspencer3: yeah, finally done catching up on my email as well...*phew* [06:54] hey jasoncwarner_, how was your trip back? [06:55] rickspencer3: I think I understand the benefits of having your own plane ;) Other than that epiphany, uneventful. [06:55] lol [06:55] jasoncwarner_, start saving up! [06:56] uneventful == good in air travel [06:56] :q [06:56] opps, wrong window [06:57] You need emacs for an IRC-in-editor environment :) [06:58] haha, Iam happy with vim [07:09] hmmm, interesting read - http://www.extremetech.com/internet/92558-how-browsers-make-money-or-why-google-needs-firefox [07:09] good morning everyone [07:10] Moin Hackers! [07:10] * Sweetshark just brutally hit end-of-vacation. [07:16] Sweetshark, welcome back [07:17] hey Sweetshark ... hope the holiday was fun! [07:17] bryceh: how are things? getting enough rest? [07:29] Good morning [07:33] good morning pitti, how are you? [07:33] hey chrisccoulson [07:34] chrisccoulson: got a flu again, apparently :/ [07:34] today is a national holiday, but I need to catch up with some work [07:34] how are you? [07:34] pitti - oh, that's not good :( [07:34] yeah, i'm not too bad thanks [07:38] hey RAOF [07:42] pitti, Good morning! [07:48] jasoncwarner_: the weather was meh, but other than that it was quite good ;) [07:49] hi jasoncwarner_, some days are better than others... [07:50] pitti: hmmm, 3.3.3-1ubuntu2 seems to be still stuck in proposed. Is there a reason for that? [07:51] hey Sweetshark, how are you? [07:51] Sweetshark: ah, on pending-sru it appears that only 1/3 are verified, but the other two are okay [07:51] pitti: I would not have minded another week, but other than that fine ;). And yourself? [07:52] Sweetshark: so, I'll do an -updates SRU round now [07:52] Sweetshark: just getting a flu, but other than that, fine! was on holidays and then on desktop summit [07:52] time to get productive again [07:52] hello folks [07:52] Sweetshark: do you know what's up with libo 3.4? [07:52] hey pedro_ [07:54] pitti: the most recent package for 3.4 is https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-oneirictest-20110718/+sourcepub/1824411/+listing-archive-extra [07:56] pitti: but it is missing mono still. I have to look at git.debian.org to see _rene_s work in the meantime. He seems to have been quite active in the last week. [08:35] good morning all [08:35] thanks pitti for helping out kelemengabor with the langpacks last week! [08:36] hey dpm === chaotic is now known as Guest5158 [10:08] good morning, peeps [10:13] quiet morning :) [10:20] desrt: psst, dont disturb it, morning is having a nap and looks quite cute doing so ... [10:22] k. i'll come back shortly. [10:24] hey desrt, how are you? [10:24] pitti: sssshhh [10:24] ;) [10:25] i'm good. still a bit on eurotime, though :) [10:55] RAOF: are you awake? [10:55] desrt, Yo. Luck is with you! [10:55] nice :) [10:55] can you tell me about the external displayport connector on my t420s? [10:56] I'd actually expect it to work on 11.10? [10:56] let me run updates and get back to you [10:56] Oh, unless you've got a t420s with nvidia/intel optimus? [10:56] yes. i do. [10:56] it was mandatory because i'm canadian. [10:56] (?!?!) [10:57] Well, then. It's entirely possible that the displayport connector is only hooked up to the nvidia card. [10:57] Or, the intel card. [10:57] i'm on the intel right now [10:57] I'm not sure which, or even if they've done that particular brand of madness. [10:57] fwiw, the dock has 2 dvi and 2 displayport connectors too [10:57] and i see neither [10:58] Man, the combination of docking and optimus. It's a match made in heaven! [10:58] Sarvatt might know more about the details of the t420s? [10:58] Sarvatt: hihi? :) [10:59] i essentially want to murder everyone who works at the ordering/shipping departments of lenovo at this point [10:59] Basically, hybrid graphics are made of linux hate. :( [10:59] i have the nvidia completely disabled in the bios [10:59] if i was in the US i could have ordered a core i7 laptop with intel-only [10:59] because i'm canadian, i was forced to get optimus if i wanted the i7 [10:59] !!! [10:59] ya...... [10:59] * cdbs also has an optimus laptop [11:00] what's really cool is that they're all made in china.... [11:00] and shipped from the same freaking factory [11:00] Lenovo are generally pretty good about wiring things up reasonably. I'd *hope* that they've taken the effort to actually wire up both GPUs to all the outputs. [11:00] desrt: Same here, I was forced to shit around with optimus if I wanted a Sandy Bridge i7 [11:00] RAOF: Lenovo is good at that, there is often a mux in those ones. [11:00] cdbs: canuck? [11:01] canuck? [11:01] oh. mux. [11:01] what is that? [11:01] that's a word i've heard before [11:01] canadian [11:01] Mux -> Graphic Multiplexer [11:01] ya. i know that. [11:01] i've seen some message in an error log somewhere about some mux operation failing [11:02] i can't seem to find it right now [11:02] That'd likely be vga_switcheroo, which should be able to twiddle your mux bits (if you've got one). But it's not going to work - and shouldn't be necessary - if you've turned off the nvidia in the bios. [11:03] And, obviously, when I say "should" and "shouldn't" there, I'm using the lightly-tested versions. [11:03] ah [11:03] that's probably why i don't see the error anymore [11:03] i think i only had it before i switched off the nvidia [11:03] and now i don't see it anymore [11:03] oh, more people mad at lenovo, that's good. They shipped to me a faulty T520, with the cougar point problem that intel admitted back in January :( [11:03] it's worth noting that the bios itself has an option to direct the primary display to the VGA port [11:03] but not to the displayport [11:04] I wonder if that error means you don't have a mux, and are in the unenviable position of waiting until drm gets support and then the Xserver gets rewritten to handle it. [11:05] i'm quite happy to have the nvidia hate disabled completely from bios [11:05] so hopefully i don't need to twiddle any bits from linux [11:05] * cdbs 's bios doesn't have any option to disable the nvidia card [11:05] cdbs: :( [11:05] oops, seeing desrt just reminded me that i never turned on the gio extension in thunderbird ;) [11:05] desrt, Just as long as it's not like my netbook, where the HDMI port just isn't wired up to anything but the nvidia card :) [11:05] chrisccoulson: !!! [11:06] RAOF: let me do some googling [11:06] desrt, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/revision/393 ;) [11:07] huh [11:07] something is seriously wrong here [11:07] the battery lasts me a couple of hours [11:07] according to reviews i'm reading, they get 5 [11:07] * desrt boggles === desrt is now known as notdesrt [11:17] gaah, my laptop is so slow [11:18] pitti: Hi Martin, thanks for approving the gdm and g-s-d MPs. Is there anything else that makes you hesitate as regards the accountsservice and l-s MPs, or do you just need more time to review the code? [11:19] GunnarHj: hey [11:20] GunnarHj: I haven't dug far enough through my mail backlog to see your updated MPs, so mostly time [11:20] pitti: Ok, I see. ;-) [11:20] GunnarHj: this still uses popen(), though, AFAICS [11:21] pitti: Yes, but I added a check that should take care of the security issue. [11:21] why not just use g_spawn_sync()? that's safe (by avoiding shell), and easy to use [11:22] anyway, if you need help with this, that's fine [11:23] pitti: I simply failed to make it work - spent several hours on it ... Some help would be nice, indeed. [11:23] this is the point at which i become extremely unhappy [11:24] RAOF_: so. if i switch to "discrete only" graphics in the BIOS then i suddenly have the option to use the digital displayports as primary outputs [11:25] RAOF_: unfortunately, setting this option has the unfortunate sideeffect of causing both ubuntu and fedora to lock up on boot [11:25] * desrt inches closer to wanting to seriously harm someone at lenovo === chaotic is now known as Guest88014 [11:31] pitti: Hmm.. Safe by avoiding shell when calling a shell script that calls several other shell scripts. Is it possibly better in this case, after all, to test for odd characters in the arguments? [11:32] that would be good to do as well, but these two address different issue [11:32] s [11:32] pitti: I see. The code for testing for odd characters is already there. [11:49] RAOF_: [ 1.979856] [drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info] *ERROR* MUX INFO call failed [11:49] RAOF_: that's the error [12:08] which is the right command to get a multiarch path like /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/? [12:36] Any idea why aptdaemon isn't sending DBus signals for transactions? I'm working on SC integration in Unity but this is a roadblock right now [12:40] holy crap [12:40] while everyone was speculating about microsoft buying nokia, google just bought motorola [12:42] desrt: yeah, weird [12:43] desrt: a funny move, as now all phone vendors have direct competition from google itself [12:43] mdeslaur: this was sort of the problem with the nexus models... [12:43] google was attempting to circumvent its business partners, leading to difficult situations [12:44] will obviously be quite a bit worse of a situation now [12:44] yeah...it's a weird move, unless they announce that they're not going to produce actual devices anymore and just bought motorola for their patent portfolio [12:45] maybe they had trouble finding partners for chromeos, and motorola is their only viable solution [12:45] could be [12:45] i suppose it's too much to hope that the acquisition is an attempt to shake things up in the phone market [12:45] my first guess was it's for the patents, but maybe Google would like to try some hardware distribution too [12:46] if they can ever figure out how to succeed at hardware, that could help them diversify from 97% search revenue [12:47] jbicha: oh, the only reason they would want hardware is to _maintain_ their 97% search revenue [12:47] that's why they created android in the first place [12:56] * Sweetshark grumbles f***ing multiarch. [12:56] i love multiarch [12:57] but it seems quite unfortunate that they elected not to use debian archnames [13:05] mdeslaur, desrt: It had also become obvious lately that Google hates it when its partners modify Android and slap custom skins [13:06] mdeslaur, desrt: Having a hardware manufacturer in hand will send the message across to all partners: "Keep pace with Motorola, its a role model for you all" [13:07] cdbs: you assume there won't be a mass exodus of partners :P === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === mpt_ is now known as mpt === chaotic is now known as Guest85355 [13:34] hello i have a problem startup manager cannot open? [13:40] Reboot is still not back in the system menu?? is this permanent now? [13:41] BigWhale, it is in the shutdown dialog [13:41] not sure if it is permanent or not [13:41] oh [13:41] lol [13:41] ok then I guess [13:42] I was just afraid that it is gone for good... like... you can't restart.. just shutdown. :) [13:42] kenvandine, btw, I'm back from my vacation... and I noticed that my python code for EDS now works [13:42] woot [13:43] yes it does :) [13:43] that was the first thing I did when I got home at 2am apt-get dist-upgrade and ./python-eds-1.py :> [13:43] hehe :) [14:19] pitti: poke. can you confirm you got an email from me just now? [14:19] (evo said Timed out, and is acting up) [14:24] cyphermox: confirmed, "Enablement of 3G devices,..." [14:27] hey pitti === chaotic is now known as Guest87159 [14:29] hey dobey [14:29] how's it going? [14:31] very slow today, flu/bit of fever :( but I did quite some post-holiday/conference catch-up [14:31] how about yourself? [14:33] pretty good. hope you feel better quickly :) [14:42] * pitti AFK, back to bed [15:02] #freenode [15:29] pitti, hey, sorry to hear your not feeling well, up to answering a bit of an odd question for me? [15:29] is it possible for me to stuff gwibber and desktopcouch into a cgroup so they can't hog my CPU? [15:29] * rickspencer3 pets little netbook [15:31] Im sorry for asking this here, but I have been working on this for 2 hours, the unity greeter compiles fine using the ./configure .. make .. make install, however parts of it using valac does not work, "Does not exist in the context of X", I am passing all --pkg arguments that is used by the make system. Especially X.CreatePixmap seems to be the problem. [15:32] hi madnick [15:32] hi [15:32] if no one here can help, #ayatana is ready for questions exactly like this [15:33] thanks, can i cross post? :) [15:33] madnick, of course [15:34] :) === Guest87159 is now known as chaotic === chaotic is now known as Guest85644 [15:58] rickspencer3: maybe this helps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635119 [15:58] Gnome bug 635119 in VteTerminal "[PATCH] automatically create a subcgroup in the cpu hierarchy for each widget" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [15:58] * rickspencer3 looks [15:58] thanks jjardon [15:58] I'm getting my ass kicked trying to figure out how to configure cgroups myself [16:18] chao [16:18] I am too much into this Linux thing... I just asked people in the office, 'How is MONO for Windows called, I have to install it...' [17:07] BigWhale: pretty sure mono on windows is still called mono, but you can use the official MS .Net stuff too if you want. :) [18:37] desrt, so, that gio extension doesn't even build (http://goo.gl/jrWLw) :( [18:38] * chrisccoulson adds to list of things to fix [20:05] chrisccoulson: all in good time [20:13] desrt, i'll get it working anyway ;) [20:13] free beer is on the line! [20:22] ah, fantastic. jo has gone to work and my daughter has hidden the other house key :/ [20:22] so i can't lock my front door [20:22] that's not good [20:25] chrisccoulson: stay home forever! [20:26] desrt, oh, i was planning to stay at home. i would like to be able to lock the door so i can sleep at some point though :) [20:27] do you really live in such a bad neighbourhood? [20:28] . o O ( hmm... if he is forced to stay awake, maybe he'll work on the thunderbird+gio thing... ) [20:28] chrisccoulson: good point. with all that's going on in the UK lately, you can't be too careful! [20:28] heh :) [20:29] desrt, my neighbourhood isn't that bad, but i wouldn't be able to sleep with the door unlocked and my daughter upstairs [20:31] chrisccoulson: so i guess you'll have to find something to do to keep yourself awake ;) [20:31] that shouldn't be too difficult [20:31] and if all else fails, i can just make some coffee [20:31] delicious and nutritious! [20:34] just like chicken? === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF === kklimonda is now known as Guest71858