[05:30] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_,  back yet?
[06:53] <jasoncwarner_> rickspencer3: yeah, finally done catching up on my email as well...*phew*
[06:54] <rickspencer3> hey jasoncwarner_, how was your trip back?
[06:55] <jasoncwarner_> rickspencer3: I think I understand the benefits of having your own plane ;) Other than that epiphany, uneventful.
[06:55] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:55] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, start saving up!
[06:56] <rickspencer3> uneventful == good in air travel
[06:56] <bschaefer> :q
[06:56] <bschaefer> opps, wrong window
[06:57] <RAOF> You need emacs for an IRC-in-editor environment :)
[06:58] <bschaefer> haha, Iam happy with  vim
[07:09] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, interesting read - http://www.extremetech.com/internet/92558-how-browsers-make-money-or-why-google-needs-firefox
[07:09] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:10] <Sweetshark> Moin Hackers!
[07:10]  * Sweetshark just brutally hit end-of-vacation.
[07:16] <bryceh> Sweetshark, welcome back
[07:17] <jasoncwarner_> hey Sweetshark ... hope the holiday was fun!
[07:17] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: how are things? getting enough rest?
[07:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> good morning pitti, how are you?
[07:33] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:34] <pitti> chrisccoulson: got a flu again, apparently :/
[07:34] <pitti> today is a national holiday, but I need to catch up with some work
[07:34] <pitti> how are you?
[07:34] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, that's not good :(
[07:34] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not too bad thanks
[07:38] <pitti> hey RAOF
[07:42] <RAOF> pitti, Good morning!
[07:48] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: the weather was meh, but other than that it was quite good ;)
[07:49] <bryceh> hi jasoncwarner_, some days are better than others...
[07:50] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmmm, 3.3.3-1ubuntu2 seems to be still stuck in proposed. Is there a reason for that?
[07:51] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, how are you?
[07:51] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, on pending-sru it appears that only 1/3 are verified, but the other two are okay
[07:51] <Sweetshark> pitti: I would not have minded another week, but other than that fine ;). And yourself?
[07:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: so, I'll do an -updates SRU round now
[07:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: just getting a flu, but other than that, fine! was on holidays and then on desktop summit
[07:52] <pitti> time to get productive again
[07:52] <pedro_> hello folks
[07:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you know what's up with libo 3.4?
[07:52] <pitti> hey pedro_
[07:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: the most recent package for 3.4 is https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-oneirictest-20110718/+sourcepub/1824411/+listing-archive-extra
[07:56] <Sweetshark> pitti: but it is missing mono still. I have to look at git.debian.org to see _rene_s work in the meantime. He seems to have been quite active in the last week.
[08:35] <dpm> good morning all
[08:35] <dpm> thanks pitti for helping out kelemengabor with the langpacks last week!
[08:36] <pitti> hey dpm
[10:08] <desrt> good morning, peeps
[10:13] <desrt> quiet morning :)
[10:20] <Sweetshark> desrt: psst, dont disturb it, morning is having a nap and looks quite cute doing so ...
[10:22] <desrt> k.  i'll come back shortly.
[10:24] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[10:24] <desrt> pitti: sssshhh
[10:24] <desrt> ;)
[10:25] <desrt> i'm good.  still a bit on eurotime, though :)
[10:55] <desrt> RAOF: are you awake?
[10:55] <RAOF> desrt, Yo.  Luck is with you!
[10:55] <desrt> nice :)
[10:55] <desrt> can you tell me about the external displayport connector on my t420s?
[10:56] <RAOF> I'd actually expect it to work on 11.10?
[10:56] <desrt> let me run updates and get back to you
[10:56] <RAOF> Oh, unless you've got a t420s with nvidia/intel optimus?
[10:56] <desrt> yes.  i do.
[10:56] <desrt> it was mandatory because i'm canadian.
[10:56] <desrt> (?!?!)
[10:57] <RAOF> Well, then.  It's entirely possible that the displayport connector is only hooked up to the nvidia card.
[10:57] <RAOF> Or, the intel card.
[10:57] <desrt> i'm on the intel right now
[10:57] <RAOF> I'm not sure which, or even if they've done that particular brand of madness.
[10:57] <desrt> fwiw, the dock has 2 dvi and 2 displayport connectors too
[10:57] <desrt> and i see neither
[10:58] <RAOF> Man, the combination of docking and optimus.  It's a match made in heaven!
[10:58] <RAOF> Sarvatt might know more about the details of the t420s?
[10:58] <desrt> Sarvatt: hihi? :)
[10:59] <desrt> i essentially want to murder everyone who works at the ordering/shipping departments of lenovo at this point
[10:59] <RAOF> Basically, hybrid graphics are made of linux hate. :(
[10:59] <desrt> i have the nvidia completely disabled in the bios
[10:59] <desrt> if i was in the US i could have ordered a core i7 laptop with intel-only
[10:59] <desrt> because i'm canadian, i was forced to get optimus if i wanted the i7
[10:59] <RAOF>  !!!
[10:59] <desrt> ya......
[10:59]  * cdbs also has an optimus laptop
[11:00] <desrt> what's really cool is that they're all made in china....
[11:00] <desrt> and shipped from the same freaking factory
[11:00] <RAOF> Lenovo are generally pretty good about wiring things up reasonably.  I'd *hope* that they've taken the effort to actually wire up both GPUs to all the outputs.
[11:00] <cdbs> desrt: Same here, I was forced to shit around with optimus if I wanted a Sandy Bridge i7
[11:00] <cdbs> RAOF: Lenovo is good at that, there is often a mux in those ones.
[11:00] <desrt> cdbs: canuck?
[11:01] <cdbs> canuck?
[11:01] <desrt> oh.  mux.
[11:01] <cdbs> what is that?
[11:01] <desrt> that's a word i've heard before
[11:01] <desrt> canadian
[11:01] <cdbs> Mux -> Graphic Multiplexer
[11:01] <desrt> ya.  i know that.
[11:01] <desrt> i've seen some message in an error log somewhere about some mux operation failing
[11:02] <desrt> i can't seem to find it right now
[11:02] <RAOF> That'd likely be vga_switcheroo, which should be able to twiddle your mux bits (if you've got one).  But it's not going to work - and shouldn't be necessary - if you've turned off the nvidia in the bios.
[11:03] <RAOF> And, obviously, when I say "should" and "shouldn't" there, I'm using the lightly-tested versions.
[11:03] <desrt> ah
[11:03] <desrt> that's probably why i don't see the error anymore
[11:03] <desrt> i think i only had it before i switched off the nvidia
[11:03] <desrt> and now i don't see it anymore
[11:03] <gema> oh, more people mad at lenovo, that's good. They shipped to me a faulty T520, with the cougar point problem that intel admitted back in January :(
[11:03] <desrt> it's worth noting that the bios itself has an option to direct the primary display to the VGA port
[11:03] <desrt> but not to the displayport
[11:04] <RAOF> I wonder if that error means you don't have a mux, and are in the unenviable position of waiting until drm gets support and then the Xserver gets rewritten to handle it.
[11:05] <desrt> i'm quite happy to have the nvidia hate disabled completely from bios
[11:05] <desrt> so hopefully i don't need to twiddle any bits from linux
[11:05]  * cdbs 's bios doesn't have any option to disable the nvidia card
[11:05] <desrt> cdbs: :(
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> oops, seeing desrt just reminded me that i never turned on the gio extension in thunderbird ;)
[11:05] <RAOF> desrt, Just as long as it's not like my netbook, where the HDMI port just isn't wired up to anything but the nvidia card :)
[11:05] <desrt> chrisccoulson: !!!
[11:06] <desrt> RAOF: let me do some googling
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> desrt, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/revision/393 ;)
[11:07] <desrt> huh
[11:07] <desrt> something is seriously wrong here
[11:07] <desrt> the battery lasts me a couple of hours
[11:07] <desrt> according to reviews i'm reading, they get 5
[11:07]  * desrt boggles
[11:17] <chrisccoulson> gaah, my laptop is so slow
[11:18] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, thanks for approving the gdm and g-s-d MPs. Is there anything else that makes you hesitate as regards the accountsservice and l-s MPs, or do you just need more time to review the code?
[11:19] <pitti> GunnarHj: hey
[11:20] <pitti> GunnarHj: I haven't dug far enough through my mail backlog to see your updated MPs, so mostly time
[11:20] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, I see. ;-)
[11:20] <pitti> GunnarHj: this still uses popen(), though, AFAICS
[11:21] <GunnarHj> pitti: Yes, but I added a check that should take care of the security issue.
[11:21] <pitti> why not just use g_spawn_sync()? that's safe (by avoiding shell), and easy to use
[11:22] <pitti> anyway, if you need help with this, that's fine
[11:23] <GunnarHj> pitti: I simply failed to make it work - spent several hours on it ...  Some help would be nice, indeed.
[11:23] <desrt> this is the point at which i become extremely unhappy
[11:24] <desrt> RAOF_: so.  if i switch to "discrete only" graphics in the BIOS then i suddenly have the option to use the digital displayports as primary outputs
[11:25] <desrt> RAOF_: unfortunately, setting this option has the unfortunate sideeffect of causing both ubuntu and fedora to lock up on boot
[11:25]  * desrt inches closer to wanting to seriously harm someone at lenovo
[11:31] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hmm.. Safe by avoiding shell when calling a shell script that calls several other shell scripts. Is it possibly better in this case, after all, to test for odd characters in the arguments?
[11:32] <pitti> that would be good to do as well, but these two address different issue
[11:32] <pitti> s
[11:32] <GunnarHj> pitti: I see. The code for testing for odd characters is already there.
[11:49] <desrt> RAOF_: [    1.979856] [drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info] *ERROR* MUX INFO call failed
[11:49] <desrt> RAOF_: that's the error
[12:08] <Sweetshark> which is the right command to get a multiarch path like /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/?
[12:36] <cdbs> Any idea why aptdaemon isn't sending DBus signals for transactions? I'm working on SC integration in Unity but this is a roadblock right now
[12:40] <desrt> holy crap
[12:40] <desrt> while everyone was speculating about microsoft buying nokia, google just bought motorola
[12:42] <mdeslaur> desrt: yeah, weird
[12:43] <mdeslaur> desrt: a funny move, as now all phone vendors have direct competition from google itself
[12:43] <desrt> mdeslaur: this was sort of the problem with the nexus models...
[12:43] <desrt> google was attempting to circumvent its business partners, leading to difficult situations
[12:44] <desrt> will obviously be quite a bit worse of a situation now
[12:44] <mdeslaur> yeah...it's a weird move, unless they announce that they're not going to produce actual devices anymore and just bought motorola for their patent portfolio
[12:45] <mdeslaur> maybe they had trouble finding partners for chromeos, and motorola is their only viable solution
[12:45] <desrt> could be
[12:45] <desrt> i suppose it's too much to hope that the acquisition is an attempt to shake things up in the phone market
[12:45] <jbicha> my first guess was it's for the patents, but maybe Google would like to try some hardware distribution too
[12:46] <jbicha> if they can ever figure out how to succeed at hardware, that could help them diversify from 97% search revenue
[12:47] <mdeslaur> jbicha: oh, the only reason they would want hardware is to _maintain_ their 97% search revenue
[12:47] <mdeslaur> that's why they created android in the first place
[12:56]  * Sweetshark grumbles f***ing multiarch.
[12:56] <desrt> i love multiarch
[12:57] <desrt> but it seems quite unfortunate that they elected not to use debian archnames
[13:05] <cdbs> mdeslaur, desrt: It had also become obvious lately that Google hates it when its partners modify Android and slap custom skins
[13:06] <cdbs> mdeslaur, desrt: Having a hardware manufacturer in hand will send the message across to all partners: "Keep pace with Motorola, its a role model for you all"
[13:07] <mdeslaur> cdbs: you assume there won't be a mass exodus of partners :P
[13:34] <kostas_> hello i have a problem startup manager cannot open?
[13:40] <BigWhale> Reboot is still not back in the system menu?? is this permanent now?
[13:41] <kenvandine> BigWhale, it is in the shutdown dialog
[13:41] <kenvandine> not sure if it is permanent or not
[13:41] <BigWhale> oh
[13:41] <BigWhale> lol
[13:41] <BigWhale> ok then I guess
[13:42] <BigWhale> I was just afraid that it is gone for good... like... you can't restart.. just shutdown. :)
[13:42] <BigWhale> kenvandine, btw, I'm back from my vacation... and I noticed that my python code for EDS now works
[13:42] <kenvandine> woot
[13:43] <kenvandine> yes it does :)
[13:43] <BigWhale> that was the first thing I did when I got home at 2am apt-get dist-upgrade and ./python-eds-1.py :>
[13:43] <kenvandine> hehe :)
[14:19] <cyphermox> pitti: poke. can you confirm you got an email from me just now?
[14:19] <cyphermox> (evo said Timed out, and is acting up)
[14:24] <pitti> cyphermox: confirmed, "Enablement of 3G devices,..."
[14:27] <dobey> hey pitti
[14:29] <pitti> hey dobey
[14:29] <dobey> how's it going?
[14:31] <pitti> very slow today, flu/bit of fever :( but I did quite some post-holiday/conference catch-up
[14:31] <pitti> how about yourself?
[14:33] <dobey> pretty good. hope you feel better quickly :)
[14:42]  * pitti AFK, back to bed
[15:02] <Guest87159> #freenode
[15:29] <rickspencer3> pitti, hey, sorry to hear your not feeling well, up to answering a bit of an odd question for me?
[15:29] <rickspencer3> is it possible for me to stuff gwibber and desktopcouch into a cgroup so they can't hog my CPU?
[15:29]  * rickspencer3 pets little netbook
[15:31] <madnick> Im sorry for asking this here, but I have been working on this for 2 hours, the unity greeter compiles fine using the ./configure .. make .. make install, however parts of it using valac does not work, "Does not exist in the context of X", I am passing all --pkg arguments that is used by the make system. Especially X.CreatePixmap seems to be the problem.
[15:32] <rickspencer3> hi madnick
[15:32] <madnick> hi
[15:32] <rickspencer3> if no one here can help, #ayatana is ready for questions exactly like this
[15:33] <madnick> thanks, can i cross post? :)
[15:33] <rickspencer3> madnick, of course
[15:34] <madnick> :)
[15:58] <jjardon> rickspencer3: maybe this helps: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635119
[15:58] <ubot2> Gnome bug 635119 in VteTerminal "[PATCH] automatically create a subcgroup in the cpu hierarchy for each widget" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[15:58]  * rickspencer3 looks
[15:58] <rickspencer3> thanks jjardon
[15:58] <rickspencer3> I'm getting my ass kicked trying to figure out how to configure cgroups myself
[16:18] <Guest85644> chao
[16:18] <BigWhale> I am too much into this Linux thing... I just asked people in the office, 'How is MONO for Windows called, I have to install it...'
[17:07] <dobey> BigWhale: pretty sure mono on windows is still called mono, but you can use the official MS .Net stuff too if you want. :)
[18:37] <chrisccoulson> desrt, so, that gio extension doesn't even build (http://goo.gl/jrWLw) :(
[18:38]  * chrisccoulson adds to list of things to fix
[20:05] <desrt> chrisccoulson: all in good time
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> desrt, i'll get it working anyway ;)
[20:13] <desrt> free beer is on the line!
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> ah, fantastic. jo has gone to work and my daughter has hidden the other house key :/
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> so i can't lock my front door
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> that's not good
[20:25] <desrt> chrisccoulson: stay home forever!
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> desrt, oh, i was planning to stay at home. i would like to be able to lock the door so i can sleep at some point though :)
[20:27] <desrt> do you really live in such a bad neighbourhood?
[20:28] <desrt> . o O ( hmm... if he is forced to stay awake, maybe he'll work on the thunderbird+gio thing... )
[20:28] <desrt> chrisccoulson: good point.  with all that's going on in the UK lately, you can't be too careful!
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> desrt, my neighbourhood isn't that bad, but i wouldn't be able to sleep with the door unlocked and my daughter upstairs
[20:31] <desrt> chrisccoulson: so i guess you'll have to find something to do to keep yourself awake ;)
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> that shouldn't be too difficult
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> and if all else fails, i can just make some coffee
[20:31] <desrt> delicious and nutritious!
[20:34] <Laney> just like chicken?