hamitronbigcalm_lappy486: 486?00:00
bigcalm_lappy486hamitron: google it ;)00:00
hamitronyou can't be serious00:00
bigcalm_lappy486It's an oldish webthingy that has become a meme00:01
hamitronI remember asking some other time00:01
hamitronlaters o/00:02
* StevenR orders arduino stuff :D00:03
gordits 1am and i'm on mini-itx.com - this rarely ends well for my bank balance00:06
bigcalm_lappy486I think it might be time for sleep00:06
ubuntuuk-planet[Ralph Janke] Ubuntu-ca LoCo Project for Global Jam in September 2011 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/ubuntu-ca-loco-project-global-jam-september-201100:17
MonsterKilleridk if anyone know about this but when i do screen on my ubuntu server via putty, at the bottom it says no more PTY's then closes01:50
zac1256who hate ubuntu 11.0403:11
MooDoomorning all06:49
TheOpenSourcerermorning all07:21
hoovermorning all07:30
diploMorning all07:33
davmor2morning all08:12
davmor2czajkowski: get up you slacker!08:12
MooDoomorning davmor2 :)08:13
MooDooczajkowski: get up you slacker ;)08:13
MooDoohmmm lunchpad.net not found, think my typing is trying to tell me something?08:15
jpdsMooDoo: Too early for lunch.08:16
MooDoojpds: i'm hungry though :p08:17
jpdsMooDoo: Try breakfast.08:18
MooDoojpds: ah yeah08:23
davmor2morning MooDoo08:34
MooDoomorning davmor2 how goes it?  good weekend?08:36
davmor2MooDoo: so so I wasn't at oggcamp though in London now though I'll make them suffer08:38
MooDoolol i didn't go to oggcamp either, but it sounded fab.08:38
christelit was good! they did well08:39
AlanBellmorning all08:39
MooDooi was in #oggcamp and did watch twitterfall, so i was kinda [in a very slim way] there :)08:39
MooDoomorning AlanBell08:39
* AlanBell posts "popyironing.mpeg" to google plus . . .08:40
AlanBellpopey even08:40
christelgood morning AlanBell08:40
AlanBellhi christel08:40
TheOpenSourcerermorning AlanBell08:40
TheOpenSourcererHow is your head today?08:40
AlanBello/ TheOpenSourcerer08:40
AlanBellsurprisingly good after an unexpectedly long session in Aldershot08:41
AlanBellgot to take back the video camera to the rental place now08:41
christeli have taken delivery of one Dave208:42
gordmorning all, oggcamp go well this weekend?08:42
christelhe seems to be in fairly good condition08:42
AlanBellhttps://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/Z7TFNKqVYjb the place I got the cameras from08:42
oimonenjoyed saturday @ oggcamp although couldn't make the sunday...next year hopefully08:46
Dudley-puppyhi, I have decided to install ubuntu along side windows, is there anything I need to do before installing09:04
* Dudley-puppy has bad memorys of this channel09:05
Dudley-puppyany ideas or are you all asleep today09:06
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:07
Dudley-puppyahh someone who can help me09:07
brobostigonDudley-puppy: make sure you do through backups, so if something goes wrong, you dont loose anything.09:08
Dudley-puppyok I will back up then install09:09
Dudley-puppyhow long should it take to install09:10
brobostigonDudley-puppy: depends on the machine.09:10
Dudley-puppywhat do you need to know to work out how long it'll be09:11
brobostigonDudley-puppy: i would give a couple of hours, that is what it took on my eppc, also sdome time incase of any issues.09:12
Dudley-puppyoh good I have a few hours09:13
Dudley-puppythe server room.smells of hot pcs and Axe deodorent09:15
Dudley-puppyubuntu doesnt need a licence key does it?09:17
brobostigondefinatly not.09:17
Dudley-puppyoh ok09:18
Dudley-puppyit it.normal for a hdd to make bipping noised09:21
Dudley-puppyit doesnt work stupid.external hdd09:22
christelAlanBell: do you have annbjorns email? and i'll see if we can somehow help him with his research09:23
Dudley-puppyI cant backup as my.external hdd is biping and not doing anything09:26
Dudley-puppyany ideas how to.make it work again09:27
brobostigonDudley-puppy: are you in windows or linux?09:27
popeyDudley-puppy: we know you don't we?09:27
Dudley-puppyI am in windows09:28
Dudley-puppypopey that you dont wanna know09:28
brobostigoncnt help with that, sorry.09:28
popeyDudley-puppy: you're phineas / ferb / bolt aren't you?09:28
Dudley-puppypopey yeah but.dont ban me.or anything I havn't done  anything09:29
gordneat, mini-itx does 6 lan router boxes, should of got one of those instead of my new router *makes note*09:29
kazademorning all09:30
brobostigonmorning kazade09:30
kazadeI have an important question...09:30
kazadewhere can I find the video of popey extreme ironing?09:30
popeyDudley-puppy: you're getting exactly one warning. any stupidity and you're gone.09:30
christeli hear it will be part of the advertisement camp for the ogglympics09:31
bigcalm_lappy486Good morning kids :)09:31
Dudley-puppypopey got it09:31
christelmorning bigcalm_lappy486 :)09:31
* bigcalm_lappy486 hugs christel a merry morning :)09:32
christelmerry morning to you too! :D09:32
bigcalm_lappy486christel: I didn't get to say good by and have one last hug last night09:32
bigcalm_lappy486popey: Good morning to you sir09:32
christelbigcalm_lappy486: i know, you were all the way on the other side and i didnt want to interrupt the Daviey anecdotes to disturb you all!09:33
bigcalm_lappy486I'm "glad" that I now know the stories09:33
bigcalm_lappy486But I shall have to hug you a-new some time09:34
christeli should hope so! ;)09:34
christelsay hello to your pretty little lady and tell her it was nice meeting her :)09:34
bigcalm_lappy486I shall do indeed :)09:34
bigcalm_lappy486She's in the shower, so guess what's I'm doing09:35
christeli dont dare think what you're doing, im confident it's not appropriate for -uk!09:35
MooDoobigcalm_lappy486: 15 things come to mind and non of them good lol09:35
MooDoochristel: beat me to it :)09:35
MooDoo:p back ner ner ner ner ner09:42
oimonif i have a single entry per line in a bash file, i can type for uuu in `cat dog.txt` ; do echo $uuu ; done09:52
oimonbut what if i have 3 entries per line?09:52
Dudley-puppythe only ubuntu I have is 9.04 beta09:54
Dudley-puppyis this recent enough09:55
* MooDoo is running 10.04 LTS at the moment09:56
oimon9.04 beta is no longer supported AFAIK09:59
oimonDudley-puppy: do you have a decent internet connection?10:00
Dudley-puppynot atn10:00
Dudley-puppybut I can do10:01
oimoni recommend getting a newer version10:01
* Dudley-puppy is thinking about it10:05
oimonDudley-puppy: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/long-term-support10:08
MooDooi'm running 10.04 LTS and it's great until you want newer versions of software...shotwell for instance...i can't upgrade :(10:09
MooDooblimey didn't know pitivi was coming off the oneiric iso :S10:10
oimonwhat's the default vid editor now? openshot?10:11
MooDoooimon: no replacement10:11
MooDooaccording to wikipedia...so not 100%10:12
czajkowskiMooDoo: davmor2 i am up10:13
oimonright now in oneiric there's no way to see all applications installed10:13
oimonthey had better fix that.10:14
MooDoooimon: i had problems with connecting to cifs shares, it kept rebooting my laptop :D10:14
davmor2czajkowski: liar this is just a script10:14
diploI think it's a good idea not to install a video editor by default tbh10:14
diploMore space for other things, they are there in the repos if required.10:15
MooDoodavmor2: prod czajkowski if you get stabbed then she's awake10:15
MooDoodiplo: what other things?  i would of thought a video editor installed by defaulkt would be good for the home user10:16
davmor2czajkowski: prod10:18
christelgood morning princesskowski!10:19
MooDoodavmor2: she needs to be prodded more to wake up, some of us have been up since 6 :p10:21
diploSorry MooDoo phone went10:26
diploAlways see that they don't have space to add this feature or that because of lack of space10:26
diploon the CD10:26
diploA video editor isn't something used by someone off the bat from every install imo10:27
diploIt's defo something used but should be installed, office products are used, browsers are used, email clients etc10:27
diploIts how I see it anyway10:27
AlanBellDudley-puppy: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/10:28
Dudley-puppyAlanBell ahh save me buying more cds10:29
bigcalm_lappy486Time to go home. Thanks for a fun weekend peeps :) See you soon!10:33
oimont's not just you! http://ubuntu-uk.org looks down from here.10:34
AlanBellbye bithir10:34
AlanBelloimon: that is an interesting point. Daviey or popey will probably fix that10:35
MooDoosame here too10:35
Myrttiboo, daubers isn't online10:38
MooDooMyrtti: i'm sure he will be at some point :D10:39
MooDooooo even then planet has quit :)10:39
MooDoohas popey broke the site/server then?10:39
popeyblame freenode10:50
diploblimey popey do yourself an injury doing that ironing :D10:54
diploHard enough in the front room10:54
diploSound out of breath as well10:54
MooDoooh that's so getting tweeted :D10:56
MooDooAlanBell: poor poor ironing board ;)10:59
AlanBellMooDoo: it is all back together now11:01
shaunodisplay errors leading to some fun conversations this morning.  "the green seems *very* green.  except when it's purple."11:19
duanedesignAlanBell: popey czajkowski dia I mention the Ubuntu One Application Developer Event coming up.Thursday 1st of September Thursday 1st of September11:47
duanedesignwe’re inviting any interested developers to an evening of talking Ubuntu One apps and a drink or two with our futures architect, Stuart Langridge, at Manchester Metropolitan University in the UK from 7pm11:47
duanedesignwe would love if anyone could help spread the word. It is the first event and the success of this event will decide if rheir are futeure events, So we could really use you help. Thank you!11:49
christelis there a url with more info anywhere duanedesign ?11:51
duanedesignchristel: haha, good catch11:53
duanedesignalso please encourage people to register so we know how much tshirts and stuff to bring11:54
TheOpenSourcererBig Deal... http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html12:23
TheOpenSourcererGoogle Buys Motorola Mobile division. All about Patents I reckon.12:24
TheOpenSourcerer"Our acquisition of Motorola will increase competition by strengthening  Google’s patent portfolio, which will enable us to better protect  Android from anti-competitive threats from Microsoft, Apple and other  companies."12:26
dwatkinsGoogle tried to buy some patents directly recently, but couldn't.12:35
gordpatents these days just seem to be a way of keeping lawyers in employment through the hard economic times12:36
MyrttiI can hear a scream all the way from Finland atm12:36
dwatkinsit's an arms race, I think12:36
TheOpenSourcererYeah - and Apple/MS will not be best pleased either ;-)12:36
dwatkinshttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html indeed12:37
TheOpenSourcererMotorola "invented" the mobile. They must have some serious patents.12:37
dwatkinsThey did? I always assumed that was Nokia.12:38
oimonmotorola invented the legendary brick phone12:39
Myrttigo on12:39
oimonand also the ear warmer12:39
oimoni had one of these12:40
Myrtti1981: The mobile era begins12:40
MyrttiNordic Mobile Telephone (NMT), the first international mobile phone network, is built.12:40
dwatkinsI had a Nokia 2110 first: http://www.minddriller.com/mind-driller/uploads/2011/07/1226158990mob_pic1Nokia_2110_Med.jpg12:40
Myrtti1984: Mobira Talkman launched12:40
dwatkinsI guess they had been around a while then, though.12:40
TheOpenSourcererThere's a blog updating the conference call live if anyone is interested: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/live-blog-the-googlemotorola-acquisition-conference-call/12:42
AlanBellI wonder if this is worthy of a blog post from our telecoms correspondent12:43
TheOpenSourcererHah - and yesterday sabdfl said he was "short on Apple" Man - I bet he's going to well on this news.12:43
oimonThe first cellular phone was the culmination of efforts begun at Bell Labs, which first proposed the idea of a cellular system in 1947, and continued to petition the FCC for channels through the 1950s and 1960s, and research conducted at Motorola.12:43
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: why's safbfdldld shorting apple?12:44
TheOpenSourcererCoz he thinks the value of their stock will go down.12:44
oimonmy ARM shares dropped 20% in a week due to the yanks farting around12:45
TheOpenSourcererThat now looks like quite a shrewd position :-D12:45
directhexi had a startac12:46
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Didn't think you were old enough!12:48
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, :o12:48
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, it was pretty old as a phone when i got it, but still unrivalled for weight & durability12:49
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, i got it as a replacement for my previous phone, an NEC, which broken if you coughed near it. i wanted a phone which was indestructable12:49
directhexlet's see... nec db4000 -> motorola startac -> nokia 7110 -> samsung t10012:50
directhexi think a d600 next?12:50
shaunowe still have nokia 6310's at work.  they just refuse to die12:50
directhexhad another samsung slide one after the d600 broke, but i forgot what. didn't like it at all12:50
directhexthen lg viewty, then htc hero12:51
shaunoaltho it is nice having a phone that you can throw at someone, safe in the knowledge that it'll damage someone more than the phone12:51
oimonit does seem to be about patents12:51
oimon"I’m really excited about protecting and supporting the Android ecosystem. "12:51
shaunosounds about right.  that's all moto have had going for them for a long time12:52
directhexthat's not fair12:54
directhexmoto have made some decent efforts at android handsets12:54
directhexthe atrix is about the best battery life of any current-gen superphone12:54
shaunoI had two motos in a row 5-6 years ago.  the build quality was so bad, I decided never again12:56
shaunoaltho having the microphone die on one after 4 months did make for an interesting role as mobile voicemail12:57
oimonthere's now a bestbuy in my home town...any good?12:58
directhexoimon, kinda like pc world/currys. but not DSGi.12:58
oimonsurely better than PCW?12:58
directhex<directhex> oimon, kinda like pc world/currys. but not DSGi.12:59
oimondirecthex: but are they better?12:59
directhexthey're not DSGi.12:59
oimonwhich would normally mean better..but there are other bad companies13:00
directhexhow many of them abandoned their entire branding strategy, because their brand was so tainted as to be unusable on the high street?13:00
oimondirecthex: i thought they were just clueless13:00
shaunoI've only used bestbuy in the states.  based on that, they're so bad that it actually has some comedic value.  (no idea how dis/similar they are in the UK)13:01
directhexoimon, why do you think "dixons" disappeared, and Dixons Stores Group International became DSGi?13:01
oimoni have heard anecdotal stories of USians complaining about how bad BB were and always compared them to PCW13:01
oimoneverything about them looks like a PCW copy, i am thinking they will be just as crap13:03
shaunoin the US, they're bad in ways that wouldn't even be legal in the UK.  so I'm not sure it'd be safe to draw a straight comparison13:03
Myrttibestbuy isn't good even in US13:03
popeyhow does one remove one of those giant stereos from a car these days?13:03
oimonask a chav13:03
popeyI am13:04
shaunodiamond picaxe13:04
Myrttiand I wholeheartedly agree with any american that complains about BestBuy13:04
popeycd stuck in the drive13:04
popeyI want to power down the radio13:04
shaunoI've no idea.  my car's from 1974.  removing my tape deck just means peeling off the duct tape I used to stop it sliding around :/13:06
oimongoogle are paying $40 per share, when the current price is $2613:07
diploLast time I did one popey it was the same as old way13:08
diploYou should have a removal pins and slides out13:09
popeythis doesnt have the same holes as a DIN-E one13:09
czajkowskiduanedesign: yes multiple times and it's on my slides13:09
diploQuite often have to buy them off ebay :(13:09
diplolol @ shauno13:09
diploLuckily my '04 still had old style slot13:10
diploSo just replaced with aftermarket13:10
shaunoof course, the fun bit will be when you put it back, and it wants a pin code to unlock it :/13:18
duanedesignczajkowski: :)13:28
czajkowskiduanedesign: and we've sent a freenode wallop13:28
daubersWoot! Rendering footage into something editable :)13:38
czajkowskidaubers: whooo13:48
daubersshould be finished tomorrow13:48
czajkowskidaubers: all of them?13:48
daubersczajkowski: They'll be editable then, and assuming some bad things don't happen and I'm in the office tomorrow, I should have 5 or 6 uploading tomorrow evening13:49
AlanBellawesome \o/13:49
daubersHowever.... if the bad thing happens.. I may not be in the office until Thursday/Friday :( But we shall see13:50
MooDoodaubers: bad thing?13:53
MooDooyou ok?13:53
* Myrtti pokes daubers 13:53
directhexikonia, did you see the latest?13:54
daubersMooDoo: At the moment all is well. Missus' 90 odd y/o nan is in hospital and the sugeons have decided not to operate on her hip as she probably wouldn't survive the surgery. Waiting on some test stuff this evening13:54
MooDoodaubers: hugs :D13:54
daubersShe's a tough old bird, so she'll probably be fine13:54
ali1234HazRPG: got to choose your battles13:56
* Myrtti would tag herself in the group photo...13:56
daubersMyrtti: But flickr is dumb?13:57
daubersOpen to suggestions on where to put it where everyone can tag themselves :)13:59
MooDooleave it where it is and just make it taggable :)14:00
daubersHow do I do that?14:01
daubersAh ha!14:02
daubersFound it14:02
MooDoodaubers: check your global settings :)14:02
daubersdidn't realise you couldn't do that by default :)14:02
MooDoopah! to slow14:02
daubershttp://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/6041112753/ <- Can now be tagged14:04
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ubuntuuk-planet[Kwabena Aning] Installing Scala on Debian Based Systems (e.g Ubuntu) - http://blog.kaning.co.uk/archives/30615:21
oimonmozilla earned > $104M in 2009..what do they do with the cash?15:31
Laneylook at the accounts15:32
czajkowskiLaney: meego conferences :)15:33
oimonLaney: $40M spent on "software development"15:35
oimonlots of cash banked15:35
gordi wonder how much of that comes straight from google15:37
oimonmost of it, from web search15:37
oimonroyalties on google search ~100M15:38
oimonin 200915:38
gordwonder if thats the real reason google made chrome15:38
oimonand why firefox are now copying chrome15:38
oimonhey, don't change! look, we're the same as chrome!15:38
gorderm, i don't think thats it at all15:39
oimonlooks like the organisation is as bloated as the browser though15:39
gordgood ideas are good ideas, ignoring them would be stupid15:39
oimoni prefer firefox, i just use chrome because firefox started sucking performance-wise since ff415:40
gordfirefox 6 seems plenty performant here15:42
oimongord: any change from ff5?15:42
oimonor ff415:42
gordcan't remember15:44
gordi roll with the latest firefox beta's so i'm not sure what was in at stable15:44
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: AAPL stock has gone up today15:45
oimoni'll try the ff6 if i can get it on lucid15:45
oimonreading about LUG camp in switzerland http://www.linux-magazine.com/w3/issue/130/055-055_Charly.pdf15:52
daubersFirst talk is now titled and compressing \o/16:54
andypiperwhence will it be delivered...16:56
* andypiper watches blip16:56
* TheOpenSourcerer get ready to go to the pub - meeting an old mate for a beer in 1/2hr.16:57
daubersandypiper: I'll do a batch by batch upload to blip tomorrow evening. Will take a couple of hours to compress16:57
lazarus_sniggers at the fact that when microsoft bought skype the linux version as of 2.2 sux ass17:13
HazRPGali1234: hmm?17:19
HazRPGafternoon all :)17:25
brobostigongood evening HazRPG :)17:26
HazRPGbrobostigon: how's it going?17:28
HazRPGeveryone have fun at oggcamp?17:32
czajkowskiindeed we did17:35
brobostigonHazRPG: not bad, could be better, eczema calming alittle. and you?17:36
HazRPGbrobostigon: that's good to hear :). Yeah, can't complain really.17:52
brobostigonHazRPG: :)17:53
popeypip pip18:14
* popey invites daubers to #oggcamp whereupon he can receive pokes repeatedly from people wanting video online :D18:14
daubersWhat what whaaat?18:47
ahayzenHi I am having an issue with my HDD where the PC won't boot ... either Ubuntu gets stuck loading or it gets stuck at BIOS 'Detecting IDE drives' ... I have booted off a live cd and have run a few commands and can't even access the HDD ..19:01
ahayzen'sudo fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sda119:01
ahayzene2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)19:01
ahayzenfsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda119:01
ahayzenCould this be a zero-length partition?'19:01
ahayzenI feel that it is a SATA controller issue as it seems to be temperamental but has now stopped the pc from working.19:01
ahayzenCan anyone help me?19:01
czajkowskiahayzen: hi19:04
czajkowskiahayzen: just ask the question19:04
ahayzencan you help me debug the machine?19:04
czajkowskiahayzen: start at the beginging and tell us what's wrong19:05
czajkowskiand we can see if we can help ok19:05
ahayzenwell I started my machine a few weeks ago and all was fine ... then upon high IO it froze ....19:05
ahayzeni rebooted and then it would boot and got stuck at the cursor ...19:06
czajkowskiahayzen: what version are you running19:06
ahayzenso i rebooted again and the BIOS got stuck at 'Detecting IDE drives'... then i moved the drive to a different SATA port and managed to get POST BIOS and boot a livecd .... Ubuntu 11.0419:06
ahayzen... From there i rebuilt GRUB and the machine magically worked again ...19:07
ahayzenthen it did the same and stopped working completely this time...19:07
AlanBellevening all19:07
ahayzeneg ..sudo fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sda1 returns e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)19:07
ahayzenfsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda119:08
ahayzenCould this be a zero-length partition?19:08
AlanBellsounds like hardware one way or another19:09
ahayzenabout 6 months ago on a previous HDD i had a similar issue and i found the RAM was faulty and got a new HDD at the same time ... but this time the RAM is fine... i think it is a SATA controller issue but i'm not sure19:09
AlanBellany information from SMART?19:09
ahayzenSMART doesn't appear to be working?!??!19:09
ahayzenit says 'Not supported' ... although i thought it was :-/19:10
AlanBellanything on the disk that you care about?19:10
ahayzenwell i managed to backup everything when it first died ...19:10
ahayzenso i have all the data19:10
ahayzenbut i do have / and /home on separate partitions19:10
ahayzenwhen i try and mount the HDD through nautilus i get ... 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda6'19:11
AlanBelldrives fail more than sata controllers do19:11
ahayzenbut i got a new HDD? ... cause it went wrong around 6 months ago and i got a brand new HDD at the time ...19:12
AlanBellyeah, that is a thoroughly unhappy filesystem at this stage19:12
ahayzenso i thought it would be pretty unlikely ...19:12
ahayzenis there any way i can test if it is the HDD/Sata controller/or other?19:13
ahayzenhow often do SATA cables fail?19:15
ahayzencould tht be the cause?19:15
AlanBellyou can test the drive in a known good system19:15
AlanBellI don't know about cables failing, but you could check for obvious damage19:16
ahayzenhmm ... could do ... but the other machine in the house are M$ :( ... and i don't want to break them19:16
AlanBellcracked plastic in the end bits perhaps might make a loose connection19:16
ahayzenI am running from the liveCD at the moment so does tht eliminate parts of the machine?19:17
AlanBellsudo smartctl -i /dev/sda19:17
AlanBellwhat does that report exactly?19:17
ahayzensudo: smartctl: command not found ...does the livecd not have smartctl?....19:18
AlanBellsudo apt-get install smartmontools first19:18
AlanBellyou can do that from a liveCD, but no, it isn't on the disk19:18
ahayzen'ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda19:19
ahayzensmartctl 5.40 2010-07-12 r3124 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)19:19
ahayzenCopyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net19:19
ahayzenDevice: /3:0:0:0  Version:19:20
ahayzenscsiModePageOffset: response length too short, resp_len=47 offset=50 bd_len=4619:20
ahayzen>> Terminate command early due to bad response to IEC mode page19:20
ahayzenA mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.19:20
ahayzen'ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda119:20
ahayzensmartctl 5.40 2010-07-12 r3124 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)19:20
ahayzenCopyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net19:20
ahayzenShort INQUIRY response, skip product id19:20
ahayzenA mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.'19:20
ahayzenthis is bad right?19:20
AlanBellyeah, I would say that is bad19:21
lubotu3Pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)19:21
ahayzenoh yh forgot about pastbin ... sorry19:21
AlanBellno problem19:22
AlanBellabove is what I get from that command19:22
ahayzeni can tell u tht information i u need it ... i have a WD Black 500GB ... SATA 2...19:23
ahayzenbut i guess it should work it out itself?19:23
ahayzenif it is working19:23
AlanBellI think I have about run out of knowledge and suggestions at this point. The thing looks broken to me if it won't respond right to smart19:23
ahayzenbut the problem is, is it HDD or MOBO?19:24
ahayzenso if it was a SATA controller getting a PCI card with a SATA controller would solve the issue? ...19:25
AlanBellthink I would still bet on it being the HDD19:25
ahayzenand if the HDD didn't work in another PC then this would point to a HDD failure...19:25
ahayzeni have another HDD in my machine ... but it unplugged and probably still corrupt from when it went wrong last time ...19:26
ahayzenthat was a RAM issue then19:26
AlanBellif you got a new SATA controller the filesystem on the disk might still be corrupted but a reformat should make it happy again19:26
ahayzenwell i haven't got a new SATA controller ... but if i figure tht is the issue thts wot i'll buy rather than a new MOBO19:27
ahayzenooo... a off topic question how do u format ur HDD's with the different partitions?19:27
ahayzenI usually do / /home and swap but is it better having /boot /usr /var as separate?19:28
AlanBellformatting and creating a filesystem is the same thing really19:28
AlanBellso you create partitions, and put filesystems in the partitions. different partitions can be formatted to different filesystems19:28
mgdmahayzen: the only one I ever bother with on a desktop is /home. Ona  server I might do /home and /var as another partition19:28
AlanBellpersonally I just have / and swap19:29
ahayzeni mean wht structure do u use with ur different partitions? do u do 1 or lots like /home /use etc19:29
ahayzenok ...19:29
ahayzenok i'll continue having a play about with the HDD in different machines etc..and see if i can narrow it down a bit :) ....19:30
ahayzenthank you for ur help19:30
AlanBellon one machine I have running 24/7 I boot from a small SD card and have a HDD which is mounted but not spinning most of the time19:30
ahayzenwell at the moment while my machine is dead i'm running of a USB memory stick on my netbook :) ...19:31
ahayzenOnce my machine is back running i would like to help the community more ... previously I assisted in testing unity-2d for natty and have started my own project with a friend... I have been using python and pygtk for around 4 months and enjoying it ... wht sort of involvement is there that I could do in the future?19:35
AlanBellcool, lots of stuff really :)19:37
AlanBellone thing we want to do is an en_GB localised iso - there is a new project and infrastructure to do that19:38
ahayzenso all the applications would have the en_GB language pack rather than en_US as default in tht iso?19:39
AlanBellsomething like that19:40
ahayzenok well thanks for your help :) ... hopefully i will be up and running soon and then inbetween school i will try and help the community a bit more :)19:42
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gord"Password - Please choose a password with at least 6 characters. Please use only letters, numbers and the underscore character in your password." - *facedesk*20:20
AlanBellgord: http://xkcd.com/936/20:26
gordAlanBell, easy to remember, easy to typo, takes forever to input ;)20:27
ali1234what's the problem?20:33
ali1234you insist on using punctuation?20:33
ali1234the problem with the suggestion of xkcd is it's a lot easier to shoulder surf passwords like that20:34
gordmy passwords are not alpha numeric only20:45
funkyHatgord: I'm going to assume they are composed of only characters that can be typed on a regular keyboard without using modifiers other than shift, though20:47
gordsure. but why would a website put this unnecessary imposition on me? the only reason i can think of is that they store the password in a database field that only allows alpha numeric and thus, they don't hash20:48
funkyHatpwdhash looks quite interesting to me20:49
funkyHatNot that it's relevant to that site20:49
HazRPGhmm, "sudo dmidecode -t 17" doesn't seem to know what my RAM is on this machine21:06
HazRPGit seems to pick up my CPU fine21:07
HazRPGwell, aside for the fact that it says "Family: <OUT OF SPEC>"21:07
HazRPGand "Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M."21:07
mgdmcheap RAM per chance? :)21:09
christelmgdm! you are the man i need21:11
mgdmchristel: !21:11
mgdmHow are you? LTNS :)21:11
* AlanBell predicts MooDoo jumping to the wrong conclusion again21:12
christeli am well! all buzzed after a magical oggcamp weekend -- how are you? :D21:12
christelAlanBell: haha21:12
mgdmpretty good. Getting stuff ready for FrOSCon \o/21:12
christelexciting! :D21:12
* mgdm is in suspense21:13
christeloh yes! duh, i should tell you what i want you for21:15
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Membership and Developer Surveys - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/15/ubuntu-membership-and-developer-surveys/21:21
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brobostigongood night everyone, sleep well.21:32
dwatkinsciao brobostigon21:33
brobostigongood night dwatkins21:33
* dwatkins is taking a trip down memory lane with Mr Benn on DVD21:34
babuI am brand new to irc, so go easy on me21:35
AlanBellhi babu21:35
babuhi allanbell21:36
AlanBellare you the babu who was at oggcamp?21:36
babuI am the same21:36
babuit was great fun and informative21:36
dwatkinswelcome, babu21:36
babuthanks dwatkins21:37
dwatkinsare you also new to linux/ubuntu, babu?21:37
babuin a sense, I did work in IT about 20 years ago21:38
dwatkinsMay I ask what industry you transferred to, babu?21:39
babuI now work in sales, selling BT products, but I moved through finance21:40
babuwhat do you do dwatkins21:41
dwatkinsI know someone on another channel who spends his days installing Asterisk linux-based telephone systems ;)21:41
AlanBellthat reminds me, must book a new BT engineer visit21:41
dwatkinsI'm in tech support, babu21:41
babugreat, I'm still getting into ubuntu21:42
dwatkinsI like being able to customise so much of the OS.21:42
dwatkinsAlso, there are some nice little tricks - although I'm not sure you can still run an application on the desktop background with Unity.21:43
gordif you could do it with nautilus, you can21:43
babuwhat tricks21:43
dwatkinsIt requires you to stop nautilus from managing the desktop, then you run xmatrix or xmountains within devilspie to get it to draw under all the windows21:44
dwatkinsthis, for example, babu http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmountains/21:44
dwatkinsanyway, that's not something I would reccomend for the failt-hearted21:45
babuno, but looks interesting21:46
dwatkinsI prefer minimalist window managers, so also played around with Gnome themes quite a lot.21:46
babuI'll have to try some new themes21:47
dwatkinsI don't know if they're also compatible with Unity, but there are loads of them on art.gnome.org, such as http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/112421:47
babuthanks, I'm off to bed21:51
* Laney congratulates Daviey on making the DPN! http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2011/12/21:51
Azelphurpopey: latest update breaks all source based games, not an optional update. Hahaha22:41
Azelphurby breaks I mean, crash on startup, for everyone \m/22:41
ali1234even windows users?22:46
Azelphurali1234: yep22:46
Azelphurali1234: when I say everyone I mean EVERYONE22:46
Azelphurthe player count dropped 7k in 60 seconds haha22:46
Azelphurali1234: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/azelphur-servers/announcements/detail/1405341570573491370 lol22:48
Azelphurzomg lol22:49
hamitronAzelphur: they planned it22:50
hamitronoffer tf2 on f2p, then break it later.... players get bored and buy more games22:50
ali1234well, not all source games are free right?22:52
Azelphurhamitron: that would work except I think they broke all source games22:52
Azelphur3 pages of comments on that announcement now, 4 minutes22:53
hamitronyeh, but they get commission for all games22:53
Azelphur1 page of comments a minute, haha22:53
hamitronI bet there was a huge increase in steam users, with "free stuff"22:54
ali1234they already had free stuff before....22:54
ali1234i joined when they had portal on for free22:54
hamitronthis was f2p forever22:54
ali1234now that and tf2 are the only 2 games i have22:54
* hamitron shakes head at the tight git in the corner22:55
ali1234tbh i think portal was overrated22:55
hamitronI got it for free, but not tried it yet22:56
ali1234i mean it was good, but it's only about 1/4 of a game. and it still gets repetitive22:56
ali1234also i really don't like the way valve does storytelling22:57
ali1234hl2 being a good example of this22:58
ali1234you don't actually do anything of importance in that game at all22:58
ali1234all you do is walk across a wasteland, then get stuck in a teleport for a week, by which time the humans have pretty much already won (and you missed it all)22:59
hamitronit showed some good tech on release though22:59
ali1234yes there is no doubt of that22:59
hamitronbut this the game makers need to learn22:59
ali1234but you know what they say about storytelling - show it, don't tell it22:59
hamitronit isn't the tech that makes the game22:59
gordwell, i think hl2 is more about the personal story between gordon and alyx than the overarching plotline of rebellion23:00
ali1234i didn't play the episodes, i heard they are a bit different23:01
ali1234but... meh23:01
hamitronI refuse to buy much more from steam23:02
hamitronall these online accounts that basically take control away from me, of what I bought23:03
hamitronand then my personal details getting leaked23:03
hamitronjsut had enough23:03
ali1234steam had a leak?23:03
hamitronbut sony and codemasters have23:04
hamitronbut it all carries that same risk23:05
hamitronhaving online accounts23:05
hamitronsteam upset me when they dropped win98 support23:05
hamitronnot trusted these online services since23:05
ali1234hmm. after that recent flash update the white rectanlge bug has got worse23:23
ali1234now it affects more sites :(23:23
emGood eve23:54
emali1234: some sort of odd thing messed up my updates i hope it sorts itself out23:55

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