[00:00] <hamitron> bigcalm_lappy486: 486?
[00:00] <bigcalm_lappy486> hamitron: google it ;)
[00:00] <hamitron> you can't be serious
[00:01] <hamitron> ;/
[00:01] <bigcalm_lappy486> It's an oldish webthingy that has become a meme
[00:01] <hamitron> ah
[00:01] <hamitron> strongbad
[00:01] <hamitron> I remember asking some other time
[00:02] <hamitron> laters o/
[00:03]  * StevenR orders arduino stuff :D
[00:06] <gord> its 1am and i'm on mini-itx.com - this rarely ends well for my bank balance
[00:06] <bigcalm_lappy486> I think it might be time for sleep
[00:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Ubuntu-ca LoCo Project for Global Jam in September 2011 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/ubuntu-ca-loco-project-global-jam-september-2011
[01:50] <MonsterKiller> idk if anyone know about this but when i do screen on my ubuntu server via putty, at the bottom it says no more PTY's then closes
[03:11] <zac1256> who hate ubuntu 11.04
[06:49] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all
[07:23] <MooDoo> morning
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:30] <hoover> morning all
[07:33] <diplo> Morning all
[08:12] <davmor2> morning all
[08:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: get up you slacker!
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[08:13] <MooDoo> czajkowski: get up you slacker ;)
[08:15] <MooDoo> hmmm lunchpad.net not found, think my typing is trying to tell me something?
[08:16] <jpds> MooDoo: Too early for lunch.
[08:17] <MooDoo> jpds: i'm hungry though :p
[08:18] <jpds> MooDoo: Try breakfast.
[08:23] <MooDoo> jpds: ah yeah
[08:23] <MooDoo> :)
[08:34] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[08:36] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 how goes it?  good weekend?
[08:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: so so I wasn't at oggcamp though in London now though I'll make them suffer
[08:38] <MooDoo> lol i didn't go to oggcamp either, but it sounded fab.
[08:39] <christel> it was good! they did well
[08:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:39] <MooDoo> i was in #oggcamp and did watch twitterfall, so i was kinda [in a very slim way] there :)
[08:39] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[08:40]  * AlanBell posts "popyironing.mpeg" to google plus . . .
[08:40] <AlanBell> popey even
[08:40] <christel> good morning AlanBell
[08:40] <AlanBell> hi christel
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning AlanBell
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> How is your head today?
[08:40] <AlanBell> o/ TheOpenSourcerer
[08:41] <AlanBell> surprisingly good after an unexpectedly long session in Aldershot
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:41] <AlanBell> got to take back the video camera to the rental place now
[08:42] <christel> i have taken delivery of one Dave2
[08:42] <gord> morning all, oggcamp go well this weekend?
[08:42] <christel> he seems to be in fairly good condition
[08:42] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/Z7TFNKqVYjb the place I got the cameras from
[08:46] <oimon> enjoyed saturday @ oggcamp although couldn't make the sunday...next year hopefully
[09:04] <Dudley-puppy> hi, I have decided to install ubuntu along side windows, is there anything I need to do before installing
[09:05]  * Dudley-puppy has bad memorys of this channel
[09:06] <Dudley-puppy> any ideas or are you all asleep today
[09:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <Dudley-puppy> ahh someone who can help me
[09:08] <brobostigon> Dudley-puppy: make sure you do through backups, so if something goes wrong, you dont loose anything.
[09:09] <Dudley-puppy> ok I will back up then install
[09:10] <Dudley-puppy> how long should it take to install
[09:10] <Dudley-puppy> ?
[09:10] <brobostigon> Dudley-puppy: depends on the machine.
[09:11] <Dudley-puppy> what do you need to know to work out how long it'll be
[09:12] <Dudley-puppy> ?
[09:12] <brobostigon> Dudley-puppy: i would give a couple of hours, that is what it took on my eppc, also sdome time incase of any issues.
[09:13] <Dudley-puppy> oh good I have a few hours
[09:14] <brobostigon> eeepc*
[09:15] <Dudley-puppy> the server room.smells of hot pcs and Axe deodorent
[09:17] <Dudley-puppy> ubuntu doesnt need a licence key does it?
[09:17] <brobostigon> no.
[09:17] <brobostigon> definatly not.
[09:17] <brobostigon> never.
[09:18] <Dudley-puppy> oh ok
[09:21] <Dudley-puppy> it it.normal for a hdd to make bipping noised
[09:22] <Dudley-puppy> it doesnt work stupid.external hdd
[09:23] <christel> AlanBell: do you have annbjorns email? and i'll see if we can somehow help him with his research
[09:26] <Dudley-puppy> I cant backup as my.external hdd is biping and not doing anything
[09:27] <Dudley-puppy> any ideas how to.make it work again
[09:27] <brobostigon> Dudley-puppy: are you in windows or linux?
[09:27] <popey> Dudley-puppy: we know you don't we?
[09:28] <Dudley-puppy> I am in windows
[09:28] <Dudley-puppy> popey that you dont wanna know
[09:28] <brobostigon> cnt help with that, sorry.
[09:28] <popey> Dudley-puppy: you're phineas / ferb / bolt aren't you?
[09:29] <Dudley-puppy> popey yeah but.dont ban me.or anything I havn't done  anything
[09:29] <gord> neat, mini-itx does 6 lan router boxes, should of got one of those instead of my new router *makes note*
[09:30] <kazade> morning all
[09:30] <brobostigon> morning kazade
[09:30] <kazade> I have an important question...
[09:30] <gord> 42
[09:30] <kazade> where can I find the video of popey extreme ironing?
[09:30] <popey> Dudley-puppy: you're getting exactly one warning. any stupidity and you're gone.
[09:31] <christel> i hear it will be part of the advertisement camp for the ogglympics
[09:31] <bigcalm_lappy486> Good morning kids :)
[09:31] <Dudley-puppy> popey got it
[09:31] <christel> morning bigcalm_lappy486 :)
[09:32]  * bigcalm_lappy486 hugs christel a merry morning :)
[09:32] <christel> wooo
[09:32] <christel> merry morning to you too! :D
[09:32] <bigcalm_lappy486> christel: I didn't get to say good by and have one last hug last night
[09:32] <bigcalm_lappy486> popey: Good morning to you sir
[09:33] <christel> bigcalm_lappy486: i know, you were all the way on the other side and i didnt want to interrupt the Daviey anecdotes to disturb you all!
[09:33] <bigcalm_lappy486> Awww
[09:33] <bigcalm_lappy486> I'm "glad" that I now know the stories
[09:33] <christel> hehe
[09:34] <bigcalm_lappy486> But I shall have to hug you a-new some time
[09:34] <christel> i should hope so! ;)
[09:34] <christel> say hello to your pretty little lady and tell her it was nice meeting her :)
[09:34] <bigcalm_lappy486> I shall do indeed :)
[09:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> She's in the shower, so guess what's I'm doing
[09:35] <christel> i dont dare think what you're doing, im confident it's not appropriate for -uk!
[09:35] <christel> :p
[09:35] <MooDoo> bigcalm_lappy486: 15 things come to mind and non of them good lol
[09:35] <MooDoo> christel: beat me to it :)
[09:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> Haha
[09:40] <christel> :P
[09:42] <MooDoo> :p back ner ner ner ner ner
[09:52] <oimon> if i have a single entry per line in a bash file, i can type for uuu in `cat dog.txt` ; do echo $uuu ; done
[09:52] <oimon> but what if i have 3 entries per line?
[09:54] <Dudley-puppy> the only ubuntu I have is 9.04 beta
[09:55] <Dudley-puppy> is this recent enough
[09:56]  * MooDoo is running 10.04 LTS at the moment
[09:59] <oimon> 9.04 beta is no longer supported AFAIK
[10:00] <oimon> Dudley-puppy: do you have a decent internet connection?
[10:00] <Dudley-puppy> not atn
[10:00] <Dudley-puppy> atm
[10:01] <Dudley-puppy> but I can do
[10:01] <oimon> i recommend getting a newer version
[10:05]  * Dudley-puppy is thinking about it
[10:08] <oimon> Dudley-puppy: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/long-term-support
[10:09] <MooDoo> i'm running 10.04 LTS and it's great until you want newer versions of software...shotwell for instance...i can't upgrade :(
[10:10] <MooDoo> blimey didn't know pitivi was coming off the oneiric iso :S
[10:11] <oimon> what's the default vid editor now? openshot?
[10:11] <MooDoo> oimon: no replacement
[10:12] <MooDoo> according to wikipedia...so not 100%
[10:13] <czajkowski> MooDoo: davmor2 i am up
[10:13] <oimon> right now in oneiric there's no way to see all applications installed
[10:14] <oimon> they had better fix that.
[10:14] <MooDoo> oimon: i had problems with connecting to cifs shares, it kept rebooting my laptop :D
[10:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: liar this is just a script
[10:14] <diplo> I think it's a good idea not to install a video editor by default tbh
[10:15] <diplo> More space for other things, they are there in the repos if required.
[10:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: prod czajkowski if you get stabbed then she's awake
[10:15] <czajkowski> meh
[10:16] <MooDoo> diplo: what other things?  i would of thought a video editor installed by defaulkt would be good for the home user
[10:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:19] <christel> good morning princesskowski!
[10:20] <czajkowski> sleepy
[10:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: she needs to be prodded more to wake up, some of us have been up since 6 :p
[10:26] <diplo> Sorry MooDoo phone went
[10:26] <diplo> Always see that they don't have space to add this feature or that because of lack of space
[10:26] <diplo> on the CD
[10:27] <diplo> A video editor isn't something used by someone off the bat from every install imo
[10:27] <diplo> It's defo something used but should be installed, office products are used, browsers are used, email clients etc
[10:27] <diplo> Its how I see it anyway
[10:28] <AlanBell> Dudley-puppy: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[10:29] <Dudley-puppy> AlanBell ahh save me buying more cds
[10:33] <bigcalm_lappy486> Time to go home. Thanks for a fun weekend peeps :) See you soon!
[10:34] <oimon> t's not just you! http://ubuntu-uk.org looks down from here.
[10:34] <AlanBell> bye bithir
[10:35] <AlanBell> oimon: that is an interesting point. Daviey or popey will probably fix that
[10:35] <MooDoo> same here too
[10:38] <Myrtti> boo, daubers isn't online
[10:39] <MooDoo> Myrtti: i'm sure he will be at some point :D
[10:39] <MooDoo> ooo even then planet has quit :)
[10:39] <MooDoo> has popey broke the site/server then?
[10:50] <popey> nah
[10:50] <popey> blame freenode
[10:54] <diplo> blimey popey do yourself an injury doing that ironing :D
[10:54] <diplo> Hard enough in the front room
[10:54] <diplo> Sound out of breath as well
[10:55] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5smhy9OB-CM
[10:56] <MooDoo> oh that's so getting tweeted :D
[10:59] <MooDoo> AlanBell: poor poor ironing board ;)
[11:01] <AlanBell> MooDoo: it is all back together now
[11:01] <MooDoo> :)
[11:02] <AlanBell> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/6041112753/
[11:19] <shauno> display errors leading to some fun conversations this morning.  "the green seems *very* green.  except when it's purple."
[11:47] <duanedesign> AlanBell: popey czajkowski dia I mention the Ubuntu One Application Developer Event coming up.Thursday 1st of September Thursday 1st of September
[11:47] <duanedesign> we’re inviting any interested developers to an evening of talking Ubuntu One apps and a drink or two with our futures architect, Stuart Langridge, at Manchester Metropolitan University in the UK from 7pm
[11:49] <duanedesign> we would love if anyone could help spread the word. It is the first event and the success of this event will decide if rheir are futeure events, So we could really use you help. Thank you!
[11:51] <christel> is there a url with more info anywhere duanedesign ?
[11:53] <duanedesign> christel: haha, good catch
[11:53] <christel> ;)
[11:53] <duanedesign> http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/?p=1053
[11:54] <duanedesign> also please encourage people to register so we know how much tshirts and stuff to bring
[12:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Big Deal... http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
[12:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Google Buys Motorola Mobile division. All about Patents I reckon.
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Our acquisition of Motorola will increase competition by strengthening  Google’s patent portfolio, which will enable us to better protect  Android from anti-competitive threats from Microsoft, Apple and other  companies."
[12:35] <dwatkins> Google tried to buy some patents directly recently, but couldn't.
[12:36] <gord> patents these days just seem to be a way of keeping lawyers in employment through the hard economic times
[12:36] <Myrtti> I can hear a scream all the way from Finland atm
[12:36] <dwatkins> it's an arms race, I think
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - and Apple/MS will not be best pleased either ;-)
[12:37] <dwatkins> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-patents-attack-android.html indeed
[12:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Motorola "invented" the mobile. They must have some serious patents.
[12:38] <dwatkins> They did? I always assumed that was Nokia.
[12:39] <oimon> motorola invented the legendary brick phone
[12:39] <Myrtti> go on
[12:39] <oimon> and also the ear warmer
[12:39] <oimon> http://www.retrofones.com/images/SV208021.JPG
[12:40] <oimon> i had one of these
[12:40] <Myrtti> 1981: The mobile era begins
[12:40] <Myrtti> Nordic Mobile Telephone (NMT), the first international mobile phone network, is built.
[12:40] <dwatkins> I had a Nokia 2110 first: http://www.minddriller.com/mind-driller/uploads/2011/07/1226158990mob_pic1Nokia_2110_Med.jpg
[12:40] <Myrtti> 1984: Mobira Talkman launched
[12:40] <dwatkins> I guess they had been around a while then, though.
[12:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> There's a blog updating the conference call live if anyone is interested: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/live-blog-the-googlemotorola-acquisition-conference-call/
[12:43] <AlanBell> I wonder if this is worthy of a blog post from our telecoms correspondent
[12:43] <oimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_DynaTAC
[12:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - and yesterday sabdfl said he was "short on Apple" Man - I bet he's going to well on this news.
[12:43] <oimon> The first cellular phone was the culmination of efforts begun at Bell Labs, which first proposed the idea of a cellular system in 1947, and continued to petition the FCC for channels through the 1950s and 1960s, and research conducted at Motorola.
[12:44] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: why's safbfdldld shorting apple?
[12:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Coz he thinks the value of their stock will go down.
[12:45] <oimon> my ARM shares dropped 20% in a week due to the yanks farting around
[12:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> That now looks like quite a shrewd position :-D
[12:46] <directhex> i had a startac
[12:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Didn't think you were old enough!
[12:48] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, :o
[12:49] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, it was pretty old as a phone when i got it, but still unrivalled for weight & durability
[12:49] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, i got it as a replacement for my previous phone, an NEC, which broken if you coughed near it. i wanted a phone which was indestructable
[12:50] <directhex> let's see... nec db4000 -> motorola startac -> nokia 7110 -> samsung t100
[12:50] <directhex> i think a d600 next?
[12:50] <shauno> we still have nokia 6310's at work.  they just refuse to die
[12:50] <directhex> had another samsung slide one after the d600 broke, but i forgot what. didn't like it at all
[12:51] <directhex> then lg viewty, then htc hero
[12:51] <shauno> altho it is nice having a phone that you can throw at someone, safe in the knowledge that it'll damage someone more than the phone
[12:51] <oimon> it does seem to be about patents
[12:51] <oimon> "I’m really excited about protecting and supporting the Android ecosystem. "
[12:52] <shauno> sounds about right.  that's all moto have had going for them for a long time
[12:54] <directhex> that's not fair
[12:54] <directhex> moto have made some decent efforts at android handsets
[12:54] <directhex> the atrix is about the best battery life of any current-gen superphone
[12:56] <shauno> I had two motos in a row 5-6 years ago.  the build quality was so bad, I decided never again
[12:57] <shauno> altho having the microphone die on one after 4 months did make for an interesting role as mobile voicemail
[12:58] <oimon> there's now a bestbuy in my home town...any good?
[12:58] <directhex> oimon, kinda like pc world/currys. but not DSGi.
[12:58] <oimon> surely better than PCW?
 oimon, kinda like pc world/currys. but not DSGi.
[12:59] <oimon> directhex: but are they better?
[12:59] <directhex> they're not DSGi.
[13:00] <oimon> which would normally mean better..but there are other bad companies
[13:00] <directhex> how many of them abandoned their entire branding strategy, because their brand was so tainted as to be unusable on the high street?
[13:00] <oimon> directhex: i thought they were just clueless
[13:01] <shauno> I've only used bestbuy in the states.  based on that, they're so bad that it actually has some comedic value.  (no idea how dis/similar they are in the UK)
[13:01] <directhex> oimon, why do you think "dixons" disappeared, and Dixons Stores Group International became DSGi?
[13:01] <oimon> i have heard anecdotal stories of USians complaining about how bad BB were and always compared them to PCW
[13:03] <oimon> everything about them looks like a PCW copy, i am thinking they will be just as crap
[13:03] <shauno> in the US, they're bad in ways that wouldn't even be legal in the UK.  so I'm not sure it'd be safe to draw a straight comparison
[13:03] <Myrtti> bestbuy isn't good even in US
[13:03] <popey> how does one remove one of those giant stereos from a car these days?
[13:03] <oimon> ask a chav
[13:04] <popey> I am
[13:04] <popey> :D
[13:04] <shauno> diamond picaxe
[13:04] <Myrtti> and I wholeheartedly agree with any american that complains about BestBuy
[13:04] <popey> hah
[13:04] <daubers> Afternoon
[13:04] <popey> cd stuck in the drive
[13:04] <popey> I want to power down the radio
[13:05] <directhex> shauno++
[13:06] <shauno> I've no idea.  my car's from 1974.  removing my tape deck just means peeling off the duct tape I used to stop it sliding around :/
[13:07] <oimon> google are paying $40 per share, when the current price is $26
[13:08] <diplo> Last time I did one popey it was the same as old way
[13:09] <diplo> You should have a removal pins and slides out
[13:09] <popey> this doesnt have the same holes as a DIN-E one
[13:09] <czajkowski> duanedesign: yes multiple times and it's on my slides
[13:09] <diplo> Quite often have to buy them off ebay :(
[13:09] <diplo> lol @ shauno
[13:10] <diplo> Luckily my '04 still had old style slot
[13:10] <diplo> So just replaced with aftermarket
[13:18] <shauno> of course, the fun bit will be when you put it back, and it wants a pin code to unlock it :/
[13:28] <duanedesign> czajkowski: :)
[13:28] <czajkowski> duanedesign: and we've sent a freenode wallop
[13:29] <duanedesign> awesome
[13:38] <daubers> Woot! Rendering footage into something editable :)
[13:40] <MooDoo> :)
[13:48] <czajkowski> daubers: whooo
[13:48] <daubers> should be finished tomorrow
[13:48] <czajkowski> daubers: all of them?
[13:49] <daubers> czajkowski: They'll be editable then, and assuming some bad things don't happen and I'm in the office tomorrow, I should have 5 or 6 uploading tomorrow evening
[13:49] <AlanBell> awesome \o/
[13:50] <daubers> However.... if the bad thing happens.. I may not be in the office until Thursday/Friday :( But we shall see
[13:53] <MooDoo> daubers: bad thing?
[13:53] <MooDoo> you ok?
[13:53]  * Myrtti pokes daubers 
[13:54] <directhex> ikonia, did you see the latest?
[13:54] <daubers> MooDoo: At the moment all is well. Missus' 90 odd y/o nan is in hospital and the sugeons have decided not to operate on her hip as she probably wouldn't survive the surgery. Waiting on some test stuff this evening
[13:54] <MooDoo> daubers: hugs :D
[13:54] <daubers> She's a tough old bird, so she'll probably be fine
[13:55] <MooDoo> awesome
[13:56] <ali1234> HazRPG: got to choose your battles
[13:56]  * Myrtti would tag herself in the group photo...
[13:57] <daubers> Myrtti: But flickr is dumb?
[13:57] <Myrtti> yup...
[13:59] <daubers> Open to suggestions on where to put it where everyone can tag themselves :)
[14:00] <MooDoo> leave it where it is and just make it taggable :)
[14:01] <daubers> How do I do that?
[14:01] <MooDoo> erm
[14:02] <daubers> Ah ha!
[14:02] <daubers> Found it
[14:02] <MooDoo> daubers: check your global settings :)
[14:02] <daubers> didn't realise you couldn't do that by default :)
[14:02] <MooDoo> pah! to slow
[14:03] <MooDoo> :)
[14:04] <daubers> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/6041112753/ <- Can now be tagged
[15:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Kwabena Aning] Installing Scala on Debian Based Systems (e.g Ubuntu) - http://blog.kaning.co.uk/archives/306
[15:31] <oimon> mozilla earned > $104M in 2009..what do they do with the cash?
[15:32] <Laney> look at the accounts
[15:33] <czajkowski> Laney: meego conferences :)
[15:35] <oimon> Laney: $40M spent on "software development"
[15:35] <oimon> lots of cash banked
[15:37] <gord> i wonder how much of that comes straight from google
[15:37] <oimon> most of it, from web search
[15:38] <oimon> royalties on google search ~100M
[15:38] <oimon> in 2009
[15:38] <gord> wonder if thats the real reason google made chrome
[15:38] <oimon> and why firefox are now copying chrome
[15:38] <oimon> hey, don't change! look, we're the same as chrome!
[15:39] <gord> erm, i don't think thats it at all
[15:39] <oimon> looks like the organisation is as bloated as the browser though
[15:39] <gord> good ideas are good ideas, ignoring them would be stupid
[15:40] <oimon> i prefer firefox, i just use chrome because firefox started sucking performance-wise since ff4
[15:42] <gord> firefox 6 seems plenty performant here
[15:42] <oimon> gord: any change from ff5?
[15:42] <oimon> or ff4
[15:44] <gord> can't remember
[15:44] <gord> i roll with the latest firefox beta's so i'm not sure what was in at stable
[15:45] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: AAPL stock has gone up today
[15:45] <oimon> i'll try the ff6 if i can get it on lucid
[15:52] <oimon> reading about LUG camp in switzerland http://www.linux-magazine.com/w3/issue/130/055-055_Charly.pdf
[16:54] <daubers> First talk is now titled and compressing \o/
[16:55] <popey> \o/
[16:56] <andypiper> whence will it be delivered...
[16:56]  * andypiper watches blip
[16:57]  * TheOpenSourcerer get ready to go to the pub - meeting an old mate for a beer in 1/2hr.
[16:57] <daubers> andypiper: I'll do a batch by batch upload to blip tomorrow evening. Will take a couple of hours to compress
[17:13] <lazarus_> sniggers at the fact that when microsoft bought skype the linux version as of 2.2 sux ass
[17:19] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm?
[17:25] <HazRPG> afternoon all :)
[17:26] <brobostigon> good evening HazRPG :)
[17:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how's it going?
[17:32] <HazRPG> everyone have fun at oggcamp?
[17:35] <czajkowski> indeed we did
[17:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not bad, could be better, eczema calming alittle. and you?
[17:52] <HazRPG> brobostigon: that's good to hear :). Yeah, can't complain really.
[17:53] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[18:14] <daubers> Evening
[18:14] <popey> pip pip
[18:14]  * popey invites daubers to #oggcamp whereupon he can receive pokes repeatedly from people wanting video online :D
[18:47] <daubers> What what whaaat?
[19:01] <ahayzen> Hi I am having an issue with my HDD where the PC won't boot ... either Ubuntu gets stuck loading or it gets stuck at BIOS 'Detecting IDE drives' ... I have booted off a live cd and have run a few commands and can't even access the HDD ..
[19:01] <ahayzen> 'sudo fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sda1
[19:01] <ahayzen> e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[19:01] <ahayzen> fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda1
[19:01] <ahayzen> Could this be a zero-length partition?'
[19:01] <ahayzen> I feel that it is a SATA controller issue as it seems to be temperamental but has now stopped the pc from working.
[19:01] <ahayzen> Can anyone help me?
[19:01] <ahayzen> Andy
[19:04] <czajkowski> ahayzen: hi
[19:04] <ahayzen> Hi
[19:04] <czajkowski> ahayzen: just ask the question
[19:04] <ahayzen> can you help me debug the machine?
[19:05] <czajkowski> ahayzen: start at the beginging and tell us what's wrong
[19:05] <czajkowski> and we can see if we can help ok
[19:05] <ahayzen> well I started my machine a few weeks ago and all was fine ... then upon high IO it froze ....
[19:06] <ahayzen> i rebooted and then it would boot and got stuck at the cursor ...
[19:06] <czajkowski> ahayzen: what version are you running
[19:06] <ahayzen> so i rebooted again and the BIOS got stuck at 'Detecting IDE drives'... then i moved the drive to a different SATA port and managed to get POST BIOS and boot a livecd .... Ubuntu 11.04
[19:07] <ahayzen> ... From there i rebuilt GRUB and the machine magically worked again ...
[19:07] <ahayzen> then it did the same and stopped working completely this time...
[19:07] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:07] <ahayzen> eg ..sudo fsck.ext4 -v /dev/sda1 returns e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[19:08] <ahayzen> fsck.ext4: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda1
[19:08] <ahayzen> Could this be a zero-length partition?
[19:09] <AlanBell> sounds like hardware one way or another
[19:09] <ahayzen> about 6 months ago on a previous HDD i had a similar issue and i found the RAM was faulty and got a new HDD at the same time ... but this time the RAM is fine... i think it is a SATA controller issue but i'm not sure
[19:09] <AlanBell> any information from SMART?
[19:09] <ahayzen> SMART doesn't appear to be working?!??!
[19:10] <ahayzen> it says 'Not supported' ... although i thought it was :-/
[19:10] <AlanBell> anything on the disk that you care about?
[19:10] <ahayzen> well i managed to backup everything when it first died ...
[19:10] <ahayzen> so i have all the data
[19:10] <AlanBell> good
[19:10] <ahayzen> but i do have / and /home on separate partitions
[19:11] <ahayzen> when i try and mount the HDD through nautilus i get ... 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda6'
[19:11] <AlanBell> drives fail more than sata controllers do
[19:12] <ahayzen> but i got a new HDD? ... cause it went wrong around 6 months ago and i got a brand new HDD at the time ...
[19:12] <AlanBell> yeah, that is a thoroughly unhappy filesystem at this stage
[19:12] <ahayzen> so i thought it would be pretty unlikely ...
[19:13] <ahayzen> is there any way i can test if it is the HDD/Sata controller/or other?
[19:15] <ahayzen> how often do SATA cables fail?
[19:15] <ahayzen> could tht be the cause?
[19:15] <AlanBell> you can test the drive in a known good system
[19:16] <AlanBell> I don't know about cables failing, but you could check for obvious damage
[19:16] <ahayzen> hmm ... could do ... but the other machine in the house are M$ :( ... and i don't want to break them
[19:16] <AlanBell> cracked plastic in the end bits perhaps might make a loose connection
[19:17] <ahayzen> I am running from the liveCD at the moment so does tht eliminate parts of the machine?
[19:17] <AlanBell> sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda
[19:17] <AlanBell> what does that report exactly?
[19:18] <ahayzen> sudo: smartctl: command not found ...does the livecd not have smartctl?....
[19:18] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install smartmontools first
[19:18] <AlanBell> you can do that from a liveCD, but no, it isn't on the disk
[19:18] <ahayzen> :)
[19:19] <ahayzen> installing...
[19:19] <ahayzen> 'ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda
[19:19] <ahayzen> smartctl 5.40 2010-07-12 r3124 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
[19:19] <ahayzen> Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
[19:20] <ahayzen> Device: /3:0:0:0  Version:
[19:20] <ahayzen> scsiModePageOffset: response length too short, resp_len=47 offset=50 bd_len=46
[19:20] <ahayzen> >> Terminate command early due to bad response to IEC mode page
[19:20] <ahayzen> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
[19:20] <ahayzen> '
[19:20] <ahayzen> 'ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda1
[19:20] <ahayzen> smartctl 5.40 2010-07-12 r3124 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
[19:20] <ahayzen> Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
[19:20] <ahayzen> Short INQUIRY response, skip product id
[19:20] <ahayzen> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.'
[19:20] <ahayzen> this is bad right?
[19:21] <AlanBell> yeah, I would say that is bad
[19:21] <AlanBell> !paste
[19:21] <ahayzen> oh yh forgot about pastbin ... sorry
[19:21] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/666726/
[19:22] <AlanBell> no problem
[19:22] <AlanBell> above is what I get from that command
[19:23] <ahayzen> i can tell u tht information i u need it ... i have a WD Black 500GB ... SATA 2...
[19:23] <ahayzen> but i guess it should work it out itself?
[19:23] <ahayzen> if it is working
[19:23] <AlanBell> I think I have about run out of knowledge and suggestions at this point. The thing looks broken to me if it won't respond right to smart
[19:24] <ahayzen> but the problem is, is it HDD or MOBO?
[19:25] <ahayzen> so if it was a SATA controller getting a PCI card with a SATA controller would solve the issue? ...
[19:25] <AlanBell> think I would still bet on it being the HDD
[19:25] <ahayzen> and if the HDD didn't work in another PC then this would point to a HDD failure...
[19:26] <ahayzen> i have another HDD in my machine ... but it unplugged and probably still corrupt from when it went wrong last time ...
[19:26] <ahayzen> that was a RAM issue then
[19:26] <AlanBell> if you got a new SATA controller the filesystem on the disk might still be corrupted but a reformat should make it happy again
[19:27] <ahayzen> well i haven't got a new SATA controller ... but if i figure tht is the issue thts wot i'll buy rather than a new MOBO
[19:27] <ahayzen> ooo... a off topic question how do u format ur HDD's with the different partitions?
[19:28] <ahayzen> I usually do / /home and swap but is it better having /boot /usr /var as separate?
[19:28] <AlanBell> formatting and creating a filesystem is the same thing really
[19:28] <AlanBell> so you create partitions, and put filesystems in the partitions. different partitions can be formatted to different filesystems
[19:28] <mgdm> ahayzen: the only one I ever bother with on a desktop is /home. Ona  server I might do /home and /var as another partition
[19:29] <AlanBell> personally I just have / and swap
[19:29] <ahayzen> i mean wht structure do u use with ur different partitions? do u do 1 or lots like /home /use etc
[19:29] <ahayzen> ok ...
[19:30] <ahayzen> ok i'll continue having a play about with the HDD in different machines etc..and see if i can narrow it down a bit :) ....
[19:30] <ahayzen> thank you for ur help
[19:30] <AlanBell> on one machine I have running 24/7 I boot from a small SD card and have a HDD which is mounted but not spinning most of the time
[19:31] <ahayzen> well at the moment while my machine is dead i'm running of a USB memory stick on my netbook :) ...
[19:35] <ahayzen> Once my machine is back running i would like to help the community more ... previously I assisted in testing unity-2d for natty and have started my own project with a friend... I have been using python and pygtk for around 4 months and enjoying it ... wht sort of involvement is there that I could do in the future?
[19:37] <AlanBell> cool, lots of stuff really :)
[19:38] <AlanBell> one thing we want to do is an en_GB localised iso - there is a new project and infrastructure to do that
[19:39] <ahayzen> so all the applications would have the en_GB language pack rather than en_US as default in tht iso?
[19:40] <AlanBell> something like that
[19:42] <ahayzen> ok well thanks for your help :) ... hopefully i will be up and running soon and then inbetween school i will try and help the community a bit more :)
[19:45] <AlanBell> yay
[20:20] <gord> "Password - Please choose a password with at least 6 characters. Please use only letters, numbers and the underscore character in your password." - *facedesk*
[20:26] <AlanBell> gord: http://xkcd.com/936/
[20:27] <gord> AlanBell, easy to remember, easy to typo, takes forever to input ;)
[20:33] <ali1234> what's the problem?
[20:33] <ali1234> you insist on using punctuation?
[20:34] <ali1234> the problem with the suggestion of xkcd is it's a lot easier to shoulder surf passwords like that
[20:45] <gord> my passwords are not alpha numeric only
[20:47] <funkyHat> gord: I'm going to assume they are composed of only characters that can be typed on a regular keyboard without using modifiers other than shift, though
[20:48] <gord> sure. but why would a website put this unnecessary imposition on me? the only reason i can think of is that they store the password in a database field that only allows alpha numeric and thus, they don't hash
[20:49] <funkyHat> pwdhash looks quite interesting to me
[20:49] <funkyHat> Not that it's relevant to that site
[21:06] <HazRPG> hmm, "sudo dmidecode -t 17" doesn't seem to know what my RAM is on this machine
[21:07] <HazRPG> it seems to pick up my CPU fine
[21:07] <HazRPG> well, aside for the fact that it says "Family: <OUT OF SPEC>"
[21:07] <HazRPG> and "Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M."
[21:09] <mgdm> cheap RAM per chance? :)
[21:11] <christel> mgdm! you are the man i need
[21:11] <mgdm> christel: !
[21:11] <christel> <3
[21:11] <mgdm> How are you? LTNS :)
[21:12]  * AlanBell predicts MooDoo jumping to the wrong conclusion again
[21:12] <christel> i am well! all buzzed after a magical oggcamp weekend -- how are you? :D
[21:12] <christel> AlanBell: haha
[21:12] <mgdm> pretty good. Getting stuff ready for FrOSCon \o/
[21:12] <christel> exciting! :D
[21:13]  * mgdm is in suspense
[21:15] <christel> oh yes! duh, i should tell you what i want you for
[21:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Membership and Developer Surveys - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/15/ubuntu-membership-and-developer-surveys/
[21:32] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:33] <dwatkins> ciao brobostigon
[21:33] <brobostigon> good night dwatkins
[21:34]  * dwatkins is taking a trip down memory lane with Mr Benn on DVD
[21:35] <babu> ok
[21:35] <babu> I am brand new to irc, so go easy on me
[21:35] <AlanBell> hi babu
[21:36] <babu> hi allanbell
[21:36] <AlanBell> are you the babu who was at oggcamp?
[21:36] <babu> I am the same
[21:36] <AlanBell> o/
[21:36] <babu> it was great fun and informative
[21:36] <dwatkins> welcome, babu
[21:37] <babu> thanks dwatkins
[21:37] <dwatkins> are you also new to linux/ubuntu, babu?
[21:38] <babu> in a sense, I did work in IT about 20 years ago
[21:39] <dwatkins> May I ask what industry you transferred to, babu?
[21:40] <babu> I now work in sales, selling BT products, but I moved through finance
[21:40] <dwatkins> interesting
[21:41] <babu> what do you do dwatkins
[21:41] <dwatkins> I know someone on another channel who spends his days installing Asterisk linux-based telephone systems ;)
[21:41] <AlanBell> that reminds me, must book a new BT engineer visit
[21:41] <dwatkins> I'm in tech support, babu
[21:42] <babu> great, I'm still getting into ubuntu
[21:42] <dwatkins> I like being able to customise so much of the OS.
[21:43] <dwatkins> Also, there are some nice little tricks - although I'm not sure you can still run an application on the desktop background with Unity.
[21:43] <gord> if you could do it with nautilus, you can
[21:43] <babu> what tricks
[21:44] <dwatkins> It requires you to stop nautilus from managing the desktop, then you run xmatrix or xmountains within devilspie to get it to draw under all the windows
[21:44] <dwatkins> this, for example, babu http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmountains/
[21:45] <dwatkins> anyway, that's not something I would reccomend for the failt-hearted
[21:46] <babu> no, but looks interesting
[21:46] <dwatkins> I prefer minimalist window managers, so also played around with Gnome themes quite a lot.
[21:47] <babu> I'll have to try some new themes
[21:47] <dwatkins> I don't know if they're also compatible with Unity, but there are loads of them on art.gnome.org, such as http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/1124
[21:51] <babu> thanks, I'm off to bed
[21:51]  * Laney congratulates Daviey on making the DPN! http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2011/12/
[22:41] <Azelphur> popey: latest update breaks all source based games, not an optional update. Hahaha
[22:41] <Azelphur> by breaks I mean, crash on startup, for everyone \m/
[22:41] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24583970/funnyshit/i_dont_always_test_my_code.jpg
[22:46] <ali1234> even windows users?
[22:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: yep
[22:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: when I say everyone I mean EVERYONE
[22:46] <Azelphur> the player count dropped 7k in 60 seconds haha
[22:47] <ali1234> nice
[22:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/azelphur-servers/announcements/detail/1405341570573491370 lol
[22:49] <Azelphur> LOL THAT MANY COMMENTS IN LIKE 5 SECONDS
[22:49] <Azelphur> zomg lol
[22:50] <hamitron> Azelphur: they planned it
[22:50] <Azelphur> xD
[22:50] <hamitron> offer tf2 on f2p, then break it later.... players get bored and buy more games
[22:52] <Azelphur> lol
[22:52] <ali1234> well, not all source games are free right?
[22:52] <Azelphur> hamitron: that would work except I think they broke all source games
[22:53] <Azelphur> 3 pages of comments on that announcement now, 4 minutes
[22:53] <hamitron> yeh, but they get commission for all games
[22:53] <Azelphur> 1 page of comments a minute, haha
[22:54] <hamitron> I bet there was a huge increase in steam users, with "free stuff"
[22:54] <ali1234> they already had free stuff before....
[22:54] <ali1234> i joined when they had portal on for free
[22:54] <hamitron> hehe
[22:54] <hamitron> :D
[22:54] <hamitron> this was f2p forever
[22:54] <ali1234> now that and tf2 are the only 2 games i have
[22:55]  * hamitron shakes head at the tight git in the corner
[22:55] <hamitron> ;)
[22:55] <ali1234> tbh i think portal was overrated
[22:56] <hamitron> I got it for free, but not tried it yet
[22:56] <ali1234> i mean it was good, but it's only about 1/4 of a game. and it still gets repetitive
[22:57] <ali1234> also i really don't like the way valve does storytelling
[22:57] <hamitron> :/
[22:58] <ali1234> hl2 being a good example of this
[22:58] <ali1234> you don't actually do anything of importance in that game at all
[22:59] <ali1234> all you do is walk across a wasteland, then get stuck in a teleport for a week, by which time the humans have pretty much already won (and you missed it all)
[22:59] <hamitron> it showed some good tech on release though
[22:59] <ali1234> yes there is no doubt of that
[22:59] <hamitron> but this the game makers need to learn
[22:59] <ali1234> but you know what they say about storytelling - show it, don't tell it
[22:59] <hamitron> it isn't the tech that makes the game
[22:59] <hamitron> :/
[23:00] <gord> well, i think hl2 is more about the personal story between gordon and alyx than the overarching plotline of rebellion
[23:01] <ali1234> i didn't play the episodes, i heard they are a bit different
[23:01] <ali1234> but... meh
[23:02] <hamitron> I refuse to buy much more from steam
[23:03] <hamitron> all these online accounts that basically take control away from me, of what I bought
[23:03] <hamitron> and then my personal details getting leaked
[23:03] <hamitron> jsut had enough
[23:03] <hamitron> :/
[23:03] <ali1234> steam had a leak?
[23:04] <hamitron> no
[23:04] <hamitron> but sony and codemasters have
[23:05] <ali1234> ok
[23:05] <hamitron> but it all carries that same risk
[23:05] <hamitron> having online accounts
[23:05] <hamitron> steam upset me when they dropped win98 support
[23:05] <hamitron> not trusted these online services since
[23:23] <ali1234> hmm. after that recent flash update the white rectanlge bug has got worse
[23:23] <ali1234> now it affects more sites :(
[23:54] <em> Good eve
[23:55] <em> ali1234: some sort of odd thing messed up my updates i hope it sorts itself out