[00:04] <_stink_> damn, i like both little caesars and hungry howies.
[00:04] <rick_h_> .ugh
[00:05] <rick_h_> http://local.yahoo.com/info-61191578-renderoni-s-second-slice-goodrich only truly *good* pizza
[00:05] <_stink_> see, i think all pizza is good.
[00:05] <_stink_> except that cheap frozen stuff you do in your oven or microwave
[00:05] <_stink_> rick_h_: hah, that CHC place is like 1.5 miles closer for me
[00:06] <_stink_> rick_h_: 1.9 miles
[00:07] <rick_h_> _stink_: oh shhh'
[00:08] <rick_h_> _stink_: so cool then, I think most everyone is ok with it
[00:08] <rick_h_> we'll meet normal this week, but after that CHC is moving
[00:08] <_stink_> my attendance dilutes my vote, but yep
[00:08] <rick_h_> I'll write up a blog post and try to post the hell out of it
[00:08] <rick_h_> _stink_: ah true, but I'm hoping to look at doing some deeper things there, python meetup, web dev meetup
[00:08] <rick_h_> maybe we can start to make it worth your while once in a while :P
[00:09] <_stink_> oh psh
[00:09] <rick_h_> since east side doesn't have groups for that stuff
[00:10] <_stink_> rick_h_: is there a way to have sqlalchemy tell me about all python objects i have mapped to tables?
[00:10] <_stink_> classes
[00:10] <_stink_> eep, classses
[00:10] <rick_h_> grep __tablename__ **/*.py
[00:10] <rick_h_> ?
[00:10] <_stink_> well, i want a view to do something with them
[00:11] <_stink_> like give metadata
[00:11] <_stink_> i guess i could do in project.models...?
[00:11] <rick_h_> well, yea. I'd import the container modules
[00:11] <_stink_> but i wonder if i'll grab more than i want.
[00:11] <rick_h_> and then loop through their items, checking isinstance()
[00:11] <rick_h_> and for each item of the right instance type, print metadata
[00:12] <_stink_> cool, i think that's the way.
[00:12] <_stink_> thanks.
[00:14] <rick_h_> there might be some way to get the session and find all objects that are part of that session
[00:14] <rick_h_> or maybe ever get the metadata from the session and get stuff there
[00:14] <rick_h_> you can check the irc channel, but I'm don't know the magic without hacking through it myself
[00:44] <snap-l> Good God, Voyager had some really crap writing.
[00:45] <jrwren> terrible.
[00:45] <jrwren> go watch the tuvix episode.
[00:47] <jrwren> the go watch the Stargate Atlantis episode "Duet" and see what good writing does to a similar scifi plot.
[00:48] <rick_h_> damn I wish I had some better functional tests of this chrome extension
[00:48] <rick_h_> pita
[00:55] <snap-l> jrwren: I think the big problem is Voyager relied too heavily on spirit / ESP / posession / near death bullshit.
[00:55] <snap-l> And all I can tell from the Delta quadrant is it's the same crap in the alpha quadrant, but with different makeup
[01:38] <snap-l> Sigh... waiting for a podcast to happen that isn't happening (Music Manumit)
[01:38] <snap-l> was supposed to guest-host during August, but so far haven't recorded a lick. ;)
[01:38] <snap-l> Ah, speaking of the devil
[11:18] <Wolfger> Morning.
[11:19] <rick_h_> morning
[11:19] <rick_h_> though I don't know for how long, I need to go back to bed...zzzzz
[11:21] <Wolfger> :-p
[12:42] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:47] <rick_h_> http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2011/08/15/google-buys-motorola-mobility-for-12-5b-revs-up-patent-portfolio/
[12:48] <rick_h_> ummm, wow
[12:48] <snap-l> Yeah.
[12:48] <snap-l> That's all over the place.
[12:48] <rick_h_> I mean holy crap that's a big one
[12:49] <rick_h_> 12B, cash...I wonder what HTC is thinking this morning
[12:49] <snap-l> Welcome to the patent wars.
[12:49] <rick_h_> Xoom, droid, etc...all moto
[12:49] <rick_h_> if Google wants to start making a phone, welcome to the production facilities needed
[12:59] <brousch> HTC is pooping their pants, hoping MS buys them
[12:59] <rick_h_> psh, sorry HTC has become the company they are because of android
[13:00] <rick_h_> but I think they're still pooping their pants
[13:00] <rick_h_> I mean, there's no way moto doesn't get more say in development, early releases, etc
[13:02] <snap-l> HTC isn't pooping their pants.
[13:02] <snap-l> Moto just becomes the reference platform
[13:02] <rick_h_> http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/live-blog-the-googlemotorola-acquisition-conference-call/
[13:03] <rick_h_> well, they're saying all the right things
[13:03] <rick_h_> and the nexus details in there are interesting
[13:03] <rick_h_> it really does sound like they bought just for patents and want moto to keep running on the side like they have been
[13:03] <rick_h_> which is sad, would be cool to get a better/more reference hardware stuff out
[13:03] <snap-l> That'll come later
[13:04] <rick_h_> would rock is every moto phone was unlocked out of the gate
[13:04] <snap-l> after Google fends off Apple
[13:04] <rick_h_> I'd finally have an easy time picking a verizon phone
[13:04] <snap-l> and every other patent troll
[13:04] <rick_h_> I think this just shut up a few people.
[13:04] <rick_h_> "psh, we don't need no nortel patents for 4B in a group of buyers...we'll just buy the first cell phone maker out there for 12B"
[13:05] <snap-l> Well, they also bought fab
[13:05] <snap-l> so if every other manufacturer deserts them, they still have the ability to make phones
[13:06] <rick_h_> yea, but too many companies making too much $$
[13:06] <snap-l> Now, buy T-Mobile, and things get REALLY intersting. ;)
[13:06] <rick_h_> name the samsung smart phone before their android devices?
[13:06]  * snap-l thinks the AT&T T-Mo deal isn't going to go through
[13:06] <rick_h_> it has to, if it fails ATT writes a 3B check to tmo and gives them spectrum
[13:06] <snap-l> Pfft
[13:06] <snap-l> AT&T doesn't need spectrum. AT&T needs customers.
[13:06] <rick_h_> it's going to be one of those "see, we gave it tons of careful thought, this was no push through deal...but it's cool"
[13:07] <rick_h_> no no no
[13:07] <rick_h_> att needs spectrum to get their 4g up
[13:07] <rick_h_> that's the whole point of the tmo deal
[13:07] <rick_h_> get everyone onto att's current spectrum, and then use tmo's for the 4g rollout
[13:07] <rick_h_> they don't have enough to do the full rollout right now
[13:08] <snap-l> http://www.slashgear.com/att-letter-damages-case-for-t-mobile-acquisition-12171486/
[13:09] <rick_h_> it's more cost effective because they just go up tmo towers and replace the radios
[13:09] <rick_h_> no need to land lease more, build new towers, etc
[13:11] <rick_h_> But Ralph de la Vega, AT&T's head of wireless and consumer services, told the Associated Press shortly after the merger — and official AT&T documents on the merger reflect this — that AT&T is completely repurposing T-Mobile's 3G airwaves for LTE.
[13:11] <rick_h_> A few years down the line, T-Mobile 3G phones will no longer receive 3G data after the merger once AT&T begins repurposing those towers. According to AT&T documents, the carrier will deploy “multi-mode devices” for these T-Mobile customers and migrate them over to AT&T's 3G network.
[13:11] <rick_h_> it's in the docs submitted to the fcc as the plan
[13:12] <snap-l> I doubt they "need" t-mo to go through with that.
[13:12] <rick_h_> well, they're using all of their spectrum right now, and it' can't do both 3g/4g at the same time
[13:13] <rick_h_> so they'd have to reduce 3g capacity in order to deploy 3g, and att can't do that, they've already got a reputation sorrier than such
[13:13] <rick_h_> /such/suck
[13:38] <snap-l> I love how this deal has pretty much taken over all of my social media streams
[13:38] <snap-l> between that and Warren Buffet saying he's OK with being taxed, I'm not seeing much else.
[13:39] <snap-l> Oh, and Michelle Bachmann opened her corndog-hole, and words came out.
[13:39] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:39] <ColonelPanic001> again?
[13:39] <rick_h_> heh, I don't know. I've got a good mix going
[13:39] <Wolfger> and until now, I've been ignorant of all of that. Thanks, snap-l
[13:39] <ColonelPanic001> someone needs to tell them to stop letting words come out
[13:39] <rick_h_> all in your follows
[13:40] <Wolfger> next time she opens her corndog hole, stick a corndog in it?
[13:40] <ColonelPanic001> ¯\ (シ) /¯
[13:40] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001++
[13:40] <rick_h_> ok, I'm not sure what that is, but it's scary
[13:40] <Wolfger> that is an awesome ascii art
[13:41] <Wolfger> well... unicode art, I'm sure
[13:42] <snap-l> Is that the trollface?
[13:42] <ColonelPanic001> (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> The best part of unicode was the possibilities presented for emoticons and other single-line character art.
[13:43] <snap-l> and libreoffice got an update, and dhcp has a security bug
[13:43] <snap-l> that's all for the morning's news.
[13:43] <snap-l> Oh, and Bookie 0.3 nears release
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l should do a daily 10 minute podcast
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> I'd listen to it
[13:44] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Hell no
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> DO IT
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> I NEED MY NEWS
[13:44] <snap-l> read a paper
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> You expect me to read dead trees? How primitive.
[13:45] <snap-l> yes, yes I do
[13:46]  * ColonelPanic001 goes off to read the news like a barbarian.
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> maybe for lunch I'll club a deer with a stick.
[13:46] <snap-l> DO IT
[13:46] <snap-l> I NEED MY VENISON
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> there are no deer in Detroit. Plenty of shooting though, so there's a chance.
[13:46] <snap-l> Actually, could you club a sheep instead?
[13:47] <snap-l> I NEED MY EWES
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> You won't want the sheep when I'm done with it.
[13:47] <snap-l> TMI
[13:48] <snap-l> I have noticed there's now a handful of OSS folks posting on identi.ca
[13:48] <snap-l> most, if not all of the folks that I follow on identi.ca are on twitter.
[13:48] <snap-l> and active on Twitter.
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> chromatic comes to mind, he's been on identica for as long as I was, at least. He's also on twitter too
[13:49] <snap-l> I stopped following him on Twitter.
[13:49] <snap-l> since he crossposts
[13:50] <snap-l> (not that I don't do that either)
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't been keeping up woth identica at all.
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> I am a bad FOSS user
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> they need someone like google or something to do an installation, so the protocol will pick up
[13:50] <snap-l> I think the problem is all of the mobile clients suck
[13:51] <snap-l> The statusnet client for iPhone is pretty poor
[13:51] <snap-l> Problem is, I don't think there's a way to do things like push notifications, etc for identica like sites
[13:51] <snap-l> since statusnet is supposed to be distributed.
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> ah, hadn't thought of that
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> think I just heard _stink_ come in
[13:56] <brousch> you don't hear _stink_ come in, you smell him
[13:56] <_stink_> indeed
[13:56] <_stink_> you did
[13:56] <_stink_> both
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> I have no argument against that
[13:57] <Wolfger> best use of QR Code, ever: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/did-you-see-that-0811/content.16.html
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> sfw?
[13:58] <ColonelPanic001> I defied danger and just went anyway. Amusing
[13:59] <Wolfger> Sports Illustrated is almost always SFW... I mean, it is available on every newstand, no ID required.
[13:59] <ColonelPanic001> true enough
[14:33] <snap-l> Downloading oneiric via torrent
[14:33] <snap-l> going to give it a thorough once-over and file plenty of bugs
[14:52] <brousch> snap-l: It being Monday isn't enough pain for you?
[15:09] <snap-l> brousch: Har har
[15:36] <snap-l> We're on hour 3 of the amazing news that Google has bought Morotola
[15:37] <snap-l> Apparently the west coast just woke up, and is now shitting themselves silly.
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> that's always how I wake up
[15:41] <jcastro> snap-l: it makes RSS, twitter, and g+ useless
[15:41] <jcastro> it's like, thanks for resharing that dude, I DIDN'T KNOW.
[15:41] <snap-l> Yeah, no shit
[15:41]  * greg-g waves from Minneapolis
[15:42] <snap-l> What's awesome are all of the people on one side saying that Android's Ecosystem will change
[15:42] <snap-l> hey greg-g !
[15:42] <snap-l> and the other side saying that Google did this for patent protection.
[15:42] <snap-l> And like a reeses peanut butter cup, it's likely both.
[15:42] <jcastro> easier to buy them than be stuck in court for 10 years with patents
[15:43] <snap-l> but not as drastic as anyone would like to make it
[15:43] <greg-g> mmmmm, peanut butter cups
[15:43] <jcastro> and then you tell all the other android people you'll use them to protect all android partners
[15:43] <snap-l> greg-g: You need to track down Iron Thrones and say Hi. ;)
[15:43] <jcastro> which is why all their quotes are the same, lol
[15:43] <jcastro> "thank you google for protecting android"
[15:43] <greg-g> snap-l: hah :)
[15:43] <snap-l> "Thank you Google for protecting your vested interests."
[15:44] <greg-g> amazing, a business protecting its interests? NO WAY!
[15:44] <snap-l> YA-WAY
[15:44] <jcastro> I'd rather they spend that money on improving android tbh
[15:45] <snap-l> That's OK. I heard that This American Life did a segment on software patents, so they'll be doing away soon
[15:45] <snap-l> nobody messes with Ira Glass.
[15:45] <snap-l> s/doing away soon/doing away with them soon/
[15:45] <jcastro> heh
[15:45] <_stink_> hah, heard some of that
[15:46] <snap-l> It was a good piece.
[15:46] <snap-l> But yeah, that went all over the place with the FLOSS community.
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> today's XKCD nearly made me lol (in the literal sense)
[15:49] <snap-l> It's true, though
[15:52] <rick_h_> bah, you know it's a crappy monday when you get in IM "do you remember your PHP?"
[15:52] <_stink_> hah
[15:52] <snap-l> woo hoo
[15:53] <rick_h_> haven't touched the language in 18+mo
[15:53] <rick_h_> but I supposed it might come back to me...ugh why?
[15:53] <jrwren> hehehe... php.
[15:53] <jrwren> IM from whom?
[15:53] <rick_h_> boss
[15:53] <jrwren> ewe
[16:11] <rick_h_> oh it gets better. Originally written by a german with comments in german and there's a line referencing magic quotes
[16:11] <rick_h_> i win!
[16:16] <Wolfger> rick_h_: full of win
[16:27] <Blazeix> wait until you find the section where he praises register_globals.
[16:29] <rick_h_> Blazeix: you're not helping :P
[16:32] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's awesome.
[16:41] <rick_h_> gah this is horrible, looks too much like JS, the todo list is in english, but the html is all german, bah
[16:41] <rick_h_> what did I do this weekend that pissed someone off lol
[16:42] <Wolfger> Oh wow... news flash on Slashdot... ISP's don't reach their advertised speeds.
[16:42] <Wolfger> I'm stunned
[16:44] <snap-l> Also, have been downloading like a mad fool from Magnatune
[16:44] <rick_h_> awesome
[16:44] <snap-l> they've got a lot of awesome classical.
[16:44] <snap-l> Definitely worth it if you like Baroque stuff
[16:45] <snap-l> and romantic stuff
[16:45] <snap-l> Wolfger: Gee, there's a surprise
[16:45] <snap-l> If anyone wants some samples. let me know
[16:45] <snap-l> <3 Magnatune
[16:46] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/info/give
[16:49] <snap-l> Would love to see them record some bigger orchestral works.
[16:50] <snap-l> Would love a Mahler cycle or two. ;)
[16:54] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/sebastian_forster
[16:54] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/lara_st_john <- The vivaldi album is awesome
[16:55] <snap-l> unfortunately, it's only the Vivaldi Four Seasons. There's also a Piazzolla Four Seasons recorded on the SACD.
[16:56] <snap-l> http://larastjohn.com/ <- Also uses Drupal
[17:12] <rick_h_> phew, php mission complete
[17:12] <rick_h_> that was scary, I miss my list comprehensions
[17:31] <snap-l> Wow, taking a look at the new Status.net software.
[17:31] <snap-l> 1.0 is going to rock.
[17:33] <rick_h_> bah, appengine and it's stupid py2.5
[17:43] <brousch> py2.5 is all you need
[17:43] <brousch> that's the least of appengine's annoyances ;)
[17:44] <rick_h_> oh...my...crap...
[17:44] <rick_h_> the CHC website is a joke, ugh
[17:47] <brousch> heh
[17:48] <brousch> straight GAE, or something shoehorned in?
[17:56] <rick_h_> https://gist.github.com/1147318
[17:56] <rick_h_> http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html is that
[17:56] <snap-l> You're shitting me
[17:57] <rick_h_> I was worried updating would be hard lol
[18:18] <rick_h_> http://www.eclipse.org/orion/ along the lines of the firefox announcement today
[18:18] <rick_h_> http://antennasoft.net/robcee/2011/08/15/scratchpad-can-haz-orion/
[18:51] <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/15/coffeehousecoders-is-dead-long-live-coffeehousecoders/
[18:51] <rick_h_> waldo323_: snap-l _stink_ Blazeix widox ^^
[18:51] <rick_h_> pass the word around to those I'm not thinking of
[18:51] <rick_h_> and aaron if you run across him
[18:51] <brousch> trying to break into my racket?
[18:52] <rick_h_> heh, your racket?
[18:52] <rick_h_> bow to the original :P
[18:52] <rick_h_> well, I guess AA was the original, but they meet every blue moon so don't count
[18:55] <snap-l> It's not dead.
[18:56] <rick_h_> at the old location it will be
[18:56] <rick_h_> I'll change the title if it makes a wrong impression
[18:57] <snap-l> Yeah, I think it does
[18:58] <snap-l> I mean, nothing died, we're just looking to expand
[18:59] <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/15/chc_moving/
[19:00] <brousch> shouldn't that be chc_detroit is moving?
[19:01] <rick_h_> probably, but I typed this, detroit is in the new page title
[19:01] <rick_h_> consider it shock and awe to get you to read the post :P
[19:01] <snap-l> Also, we're just rying this out to see if it'll work, right? :)
[19:02] <rick_h_> well, everyone that are regulars says it won't prevent them from going
[19:02] <rick_h_> so I'm not sure how it won't work out
[19:02] <rick_h_> I'd rather just commit, this is the change. I guess if something comes up we can backtrack, but not planning to backtrack off the start
[19:02] <brousch> it's still a 2.5 hour drive for me :(
[19:02] <snap-l> OK
[19:27] <waldo323_> its "on my way home"
[19:28] <waldo323_> i just need to take a different way home
[19:28] <rick_h_> waldo323_: awesome, good to hear
[19:29] <waldo323_> with work in troy and home in livonia there are many ways to get home so it won't be much of a change for me
[19:29] <rick_h_> cool, we'll be at the old location this week
[19:29] <rick_h_> so will have a chance to remind everyone in person
[19:29] <waldo323_> ok
[19:32] <Blazeix> "whining about what that co-worker did to your code while you weren’t looking." nice.
[19:32] <rick_h_> :)
[19:33] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h_: saw your "chc is moving" thing, but it doesn't say what the "new location" is
[19:34] <rick_h_> ?? the blog post?
[19:34] <rick_h_> has an embedded google map, the address, etc
[19:34] <ColonelPanic001> last one I was at was a Caribou Coffee... did you guys move away from there for a while?
[19:34] <brousch> it's way down at the bottom, where i would expect an ad
[19:34] <rick_h_> no, we're moving to a new caribou coffee
[19:34] <ColonelPanic001> oh, nevermind then.
[19:35] <rick_h_> well, figured once people got the map they'd not read further down
[19:35] <rick_h_> and want to be clear the dates/etc
[19:35] <brousch> yeah, i'm just pickin on you
[19:57] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: BTW: if you ever decide to sign up for FICS, my nick is snapl
[19:58] <ColonelPanic001> fics
[19:58] <ColonelPanic001> ?
[19:58] <ColonelPanic001> ah. Not familiar with it
[19:58] <ColonelPanic001> I'll poke at it later tonight if I remember
[19:58] <snap-l> http://freechess.org
[19:59] <snap-l> Goes for anyone else, if you're interested
[20:00] <snap-l> eboard is a very good Linux interface.
[20:01] <ColonelPanic001> as long as you promise to keep your comments about how much I suck at chess to a reasonable minimum
[20:01] <snap-l> I'm horrible as well.
[20:01] <snap-l> so never you mind. ;)
[20:03] <ColonelPanic001> oh, yeah, everyone says that. Then I teach them what "horrible" means.
[20:04] <ColonelPanic001> ;)
[20:09] <jrwren> snap-l: status.net ?
[20:10] <brousch> that's a great idea. chess over identi'ca
[20:11] <brousch> everyone could watch your game
[20:13] <snap-l> brousch: You'd likely need a special client for it
[20:13] <snap-l> brousch: But it would be do-able.
[20:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Status.net is the software running identi.ca
[20:15] <ColonelPanic001> that'd be interesting
[20:21] <_stink_> damn AT&T
[20:22] <_stink_> i made a perverted joke and i don't think it got through
[20:22] <brousch> and this is ATT's fault?
[20:22] <_stink_> it dropped my broadband connection
[20:22] <_stink_> must be their decency filters
[20:23] <brousch> filters are good for some people
[20:35] <snap-l> heh
[20:42] <rick_h_> oh crap https://github.com/blog/905-edit-like-an-ace
[20:43] <brousch> d00d
[20:43] <snap-l> rick_h_: DOOOOOOOOD
[20:43] <snap-l> THAT IS AWESOME!
[20:43] <snap-l> ;)
[20:44] <snap-l> I wonder if that's bespin behind the covers?
[20:44] <brousch> getting close to being able to use the chromebook for everything
[20:44] <snap-l> Nope, cloud9
[20:45] <snap-l> which is the same thing, Google and Kevin Dangoor's blog tells me.
[20:45] <rick_h_> bespin == skywriter == ace
[20:45] <snap-l> http://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/2011/01/18/mozilla-skywriter-has-been-merged-into-ace/
[20:46] <rick_h_> yep, was just asking kevin why that wasn't in this new scratchpad thing in FF
[20:47] <brousch> damn, i need to try some of this out
[20:48] <rick_h_> hah, awesome
[20:48] <rick_h_> editing .rst docs on bookie from github
[20:51] <brousch> how do you commit? is that built into github?
[20:53] <rick_h_droid> Yea
[20:54] <brousch> so you can brach, and edit, and merge all through their webui?
[20:54] <rick_h_droid> well fork it commit and then pull request
[20:55] <rick_h_droid> and then merging the pull request is one button in the web ui
[20:55] <brousch> nice
[20:56] <brousch> so i won't have to learn after all. i can do it all in my web browser O:-)
[20:57] <rick_h_droid> will be cool for those small doc updates.. I don't have to git clone it locally to make the changes
[20:59] <rick_h_droid> snapl podcast tomorrow?
[20:59] <brousch> now it's easier to code from your phone, too
[20:59] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Possibly?
[21:09] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: I should be free tomorrow to podcast.
[21:09] <rick_h_droid> cool, and will get notes together
[21:15] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: What time, roughly?
[21:16] <rick_h_droid> 8?
[21:16] <snap-l> kk
[21:36] <snap-l> Anyone know who to escalate issues with Launchpad to?