[00:04] <_stink_> damn, i like both little caesars and hungry howies. [00:04] .ugh [00:05] http://local.yahoo.com/info-61191578-renderoni-s-second-slice-goodrich only truly *good* pizza [00:05] <_stink_> see, i think all pizza is good. [00:05] <_stink_> except that cheap frozen stuff you do in your oven or microwave [00:05] <_stink_> rick_h_: hah, that CHC place is like 1.5 miles closer for me [00:06] <_stink_> rick_h_: 1.9 miles [00:07] _stink_: oh shhh' [00:08] _stink_: so cool then, I think most everyone is ok with it [00:08] we'll meet normal this week, but after that CHC is moving [00:08] <_stink_> my attendance dilutes my vote, but yep [00:08] I'll write up a blog post and try to post the hell out of it [00:08] _stink_: ah true, but I'm hoping to look at doing some deeper things there, python meetup, web dev meetup [00:08] maybe we can start to make it worth your while once in a while :P [00:09] <_stink_> oh psh [00:09] since east side doesn't have groups for that stuff [00:10] <_stink_> rick_h_: is there a way to have sqlalchemy tell me about all python objects i have mapped to tables? [00:10] <_stink_> classes [00:10] <_stink_> eep, classses [00:10] grep __tablename__ **/*.py [00:10] ? [00:10] <_stink_> well, i want a view to do something with them [00:11] <_stink_> like give metadata [00:11] <_stink_> i guess i could do in project.models...? [00:11] well, yea. I'd import the container modules [00:11] <_stink_> but i wonder if i'll grab more than i want. [00:11] and then loop through their items, checking isinstance() [00:11] and for each item of the right instance type, print metadata [00:12] <_stink_> cool, i think that's the way. [00:12] <_stink_> thanks. [00:14] there might be some way to get the session and find all objects that are part of that session [00:14] or maybe ever get the metadata from the session and get stuff there [00:14] you can check the irc channel, but I'm don't know the magic without hacking through it myself [00:44] Good God, Voyager had some really crap writing. [00:45] terrible. [00:45] go watch the tuvix episode. [00:47] the go watch the Stargate Atlantis episode "Duet" and see what good writing does to a similar scifi plot. [00:48] damn I wish I had some better functional tests of this chrome extension [00:48] pita [00:55] jrwren: I think the big problem is Voyager relied too heavily on spirit / ESP / posession / near death bullshit. [00:55] And all I can tell from the Delta quadrant is it's the same crap in the alpha quadrant, but with different makeup [01:38] Sigh... waiting for a podcast to happen that isn't happening (Music Manumit) [01:38] was supposed to guest-host during August, but so far haven't recorded a lick. ;) [01:38] Ah, speaking of the devil [11:18] Morning. [11:19] morning [11:19] though I don't know for how long, I need to go back to bed...zzzzz [11:21] :-p [12:42] Good morning === ptenhoopen__ is now known as ptenhoopen [12:47] http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2011/08/15/google-buys-motorola-mobility-for-12-5b-revs-up-patent-portfolio/ [12:48] ummm, wow [12:48] Yeah. [12:48] That's all over the place. [12:48] I mean holy crap that's a big one [12:49] 12B, cash...I wonder what HTC is thinking this morning [12:49] Welcome to the patent wars. [12:49] Xoom, droid, etc...all moto [12:49] if Google wants to start making a phone, welcome to the production facilities needed [12:59] HTC is pooping their pants, hoping MS buys them [12:59] psh, sorry HTC has become the company they are because of android [13:00] but I think they're still pooping their pants [13:00] I mean, there's no way moto doesn't get more say in development, early releases, etc [13:02] HTC isn't pooping their pants. [13:02] Moto just becomes the reference platform [13:02] http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/live-blog-the-googlemotorola-acquisition-conference-call/ [13:03] well, they're saying all the right things [13:03] and the nexus details in there are interesting [13:03] it really does sound like they bought just for patents and want moto to keep running on the side like they have been [13:03] which is sad, would be cool to get a better/more reference hardware stuff out [13:03] That'll come later [13:04] would rock is every moto phone was unlocked out of the gate [13:04] after Google fends off Apple [13:04] I'd finally have an easy time picking a verizon phone [13:04] and every other patent troll [13:04] I think this just shut up a few people. [13:04] "psh, we don't need no nortel patents for 4B in a group of buyers...we'll just buy the first cell phone maker out there for 12B" [13:05] Well, they also bought fab [13:05] so if every other manufacturer deserts them, they still have the ability to make phones [13:06] yea, but too many companies making too much $$ [13:06] Now, buy T-Mobile, and things get REALLY intersting. ;) [13:06] name the samsung smart phone before their android devices? [13:06] * snap-l thinks the AT&T T-Mo deal isn't going to go through [13:06] it has to, if it fails ATT writes a 3B check to tmo and gives them spectrum [13:06] Pfft [13:06] AT&T doesn't need spectrum. AT&T needs customers. [13:06] it's going to be one of those "see, we gave it tons of careful thought, this was no push through deal...but it's cool" [13:07] no no no [13:07] att needs spectrum to get their 4g up [13:07] that's the whole point of the tmo deal [13:07] get everyone onto att's current spectrum, and then use tmo's for the 4g rollout [13:07] they don't have enough to do the full rollout right now [13:08] http://www.slashgear.com/att-letter-damages-case-for-t-mobile-acquisition-12171486/ [13:09] it's more cost effective because they just go up tmo towers and replace the radios [13:09] no need to land lease more, build new towers, etc [13:11] But Ralph de la Vega, AT&T's head of wireless and consumer services, told the Associated Press shortly after the merger — and official AT&T documents on the merger reflect this — that AT&T is completely repurposing T-Mobile's 3G airwaves for LTE. [13:11] A few years down the line, T-Mobile 3G phones will no longer receive 3G data after the merger once AT&T begins repurposing those towers. According to AT&T documents, the carrier will deploy “multi-mode devices” for these T-Mobile customers and migrate them over to AT&T's 3G network. [13:11] it's in the docs submitted to the fcc as the plan [13:12] I doubt they "need" t-mo to go through with that. [13:12] well, they're using all of their spectrum right now, and it' can't do both 3g/4g at the same time [13:13] so they'd have to reduce 3g capacity in order to deploy 3g, and att can't do that, they've already got a reputation sorrier than such [13:13] /such/suck [13:38] I love how this deal has pretty much taken over all of my social media streams [13:38] between that and Warren Buffet saying he's OK with being taxed, I'm not seeing much else. [13:39] Oh, and Michelle Bachmann opened her corndog-hole, and words came out. [13:39] :-) [13:39] again? [13:39] heh, I don't know. I've got a good mix going [13:39] and until now, I've been ignorant of all of that. Thanks, snap-l [13:39] someone needs to tell them to stop letting words come out [13:39] all in your follows [13:40] next time she opens her corndog hole, stick a corndog in it? [13:40] ¯\ (シ) /¯ [13:40] ColonelPanic001++ [13:40] ok, I'm not sure what that is, but it's scary [13:40] that is an awesome ascii art [13:41] well... unicode art, I'm sure [13:42] Is that the trollface? [13:42] (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ [13:43] The best part of unicode was the possibilities presented for emoticons and other single-line character art. [13:43] and libreoffice got an update, and dhcp has a security bug [13:43] that's all for the morning's news. [13:43] Oh, and Bookie 0.3 nears release [13:43] snap-l should do a daily 10 minute podcast [13:43] I'd listen to it [13:44] ColonelPanic001: Hell no [13:44] DO IT [13:44] I NEED MY NEWS [13:44] read a paper [13:44] You expect me to read dead trees? How primitive. [13:45] yes, yes I do [13:46] * ColonelPanic001 goes off to read the news like a barbarian. [13:46] maybe for lunch I'll club a deer with a stick. [13:46] DO IT [13:46] I NEED MY VENISON [13:46] there are no deer in Detroit. Plenty of shooting though, so there's a chance. [13:46] Actually, could you club a sheep instead? [13:47] I NEED MY EWES [13:47] You won't want the sheep when I'm done with it. [13:47] TMI [13:48] I have noticed there's now a handful of OSS folks posting on identi.ca [13:48] most, if not all of the folks that I follow on identi.ca are on twitter. [13:48] and active on Twitter. [13:49] yeah [13:49] chromatic comes to mind, he's been on identica for as long as I was, at least. He's also on twitter too [13:49] I stopped following him on Twitter. [13:49] since he crossposts [13:50] (not that I don't do that either) [13:50] heh [13:50] I haven't been keeping up woth identica at all. [13:50] I am a bad FOSS user [13:50] they need someone like google or something to do an installation, so the protocol will pick up [13:50] I think the problem is all of the mobile clients suck [13:51] The statusnet client for iPhone is pretty poor [13:51] Problem is, I don't think there's a way to do things like push notifications, etc for identica like sites [13:51] since statusnet is supposed to be distributed. [13:52] ah, hadn't thought of that [13:53] think I just heard _stink_ come in [13:56] you don't hear _stink_ come in, you smell him [13:56] <_stink_> indeed [13:56] <_stink_> you did [13:56] <_stink_> both [13:56] I have no argument against that [13:57] best use of QR Code, ever: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/did-you-see-that-0811/content.16.html [13:57] sfw? [13:58] I defied danger and just went anyway. Amusing [13:59] Sports Illustrated is almost always SFW... I mean, it is available on every newstand, no ID required. [13:59] true enough [14:33] Downloading oneiric via torrent [14:33] going to give it a thorough once-over and file plenty of bugs [14:52] snap-l: It being Monday isn't enough pain for you? [15:09] brousch: Har har [15:36] We're on hour 3 of the amazing news that Google has bought Morotola [15:37] Apparently the west coast just woke up, and is now shitting themselves silly. [15:37] that's always how I wake up [15:41] snap-l: it makes RSS, twitter, and g+ useless [15:41] it's like, thanks for resharing that dude, I DIDN'T KNOW. [15:41] Yeah, no shit [15:41] * greg-g waves from Minneapolis [15:42] What's awesome are all of the people on one side saying that Android's Ecosystem will change [15:42] hey greg-g ! [15:42] and the other side saying that Google did this for patent protection. [15:42] And like a reeses peanut butter cup, it's likely both. [15:42] easier to buy them than be stuck in court for 10 years with patents [15:43] but not as drastic as anyone would like to make it [15:43] mmmmm, peanut butter cups [15:43] and then you tell all the other android people you'll use them to protect all android partners [15:43] greg-g: You need to track down Iron Thrones and say Hi. ;) [15:43] which is why all their quotes are the same, lol [15:43] "thank you google for protecting android" [15:43] snap-l: hah :) [15:43] "Thank you Google for protecting your vested interests." [15:44] amazing, a business protecting its interests? NO WAY! [15:44] YA-WAY [15:44] I'd rather they spend that money on improving android tbh [15:45] That's OK. I heard that This American Life did a segment on software patents, so they'll be doing away soon [15:45] nobody messes with Ira Glass. [15:45] s/doing away soon/doing away with them soon/ [15:45] heh [15:45] <_stink_> hah, heard some of that [15:46] It was a good piece. [15:46] But yeah, that went all over the place with the FLOSS community. [15:48] today's XKCD nearly made me lol (in the literal sense) [15:49] It's true, though [15:52] bah, you know it's a crappy monday when you get in IM "do you remember your PHP?" [15:52] <_stink_> hah [15:52] woo hoo [15:53] haven't touched the language in 18+mo [15:53] but I supposed it might come back to me...ugh why? [15:53] hehehe... php. [15:53] IM from whom? [15:53] boss [15:53] ewe [16:11] oh it gets better. Originally written by a german with comments in german and there's a line referencing magic quotes [16:11] i win! [16:16] rick_h_: full of win [16:27] wait until you find the section where he praises register_globals. [16:29] Blazeix: you're not helping :P [16:32] rick_h_: That's awesome. [16:41] gah this is horrible, looks too much like JS, the todo list is in english, but the html is all german, bah [16:41] what did I do this weekend that pissed someone off lol [16:42] Oh wow... news flash on Slashdot... ISP's don't reach their advertised speeds. [16:42] I'm stunned [16:44] Also, have been downloading like a mad fool from Magnatune [16:44] awesome [16:44] they've got a lot of awesome classical. [16:44] Definitely worth it if you like Baroque stuff [16:45] and romantic stuff [16:45] Wolfger: Gee, there's a surprise [16:45] If anyone wants some samples. let me know [16:45] <3 Magnatune [16:46] http://magnatune.com/info/give [16:49] Would love to see them record some bigger orchestral works. [16:50] Would love a Mahler cycle or two. ;) [16:54] http://magnatune.com/artists/sebastian_forster [16:54] http://magnatune.com/artists/lara_st_john <- The vivaldi album is awesome [16:55] unfortunately, it's only the Vivaldi Four Seasons. There's also a Piazzolla Four Seasons recorded on the SACD. [16:56] http://larastjohn.com/ <- Also uses Drupal [17:12] phew, php mission complete [17:12] that was scary, I miss my list comprehensions [17:31] Wow, taking a look at the new Status.net software. [17:31] 1.0 is going to rock. [17:33] bah, appengine and it's stupid py2.5 [17:43] py2.5 is all you need [17:43] that's the least of appengine's annoyances ;) [17:44] oh...my...crap... [17:44] the CHC website is a joke, ugh [17:47] heh [17:48] straight GAE, or something shoehorned in? [17:56] https://gist.github.com/1147318 [17:56] http://coffeehousecode.appspot.com/locations/detroit.html is that [17:56] You're shitting me [17:57] I was worried updating would be hard lol [18:18] http://www.eclipse.org/orion/ along the lines of the firefox announcement today [18:18] http://antennasoft.net/robcee/2011/08/15/scratchpad-can-haz-orion/ [18:51] http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/15/coffeehousecoders-is-dead-long-live-coffeehousecoders/ [18:51] waldo323_: snap-l _stink_ Blazeix widox ^^ [18:51] pass the word around to those I'm not thinking of [18:51] and aaron if you run across him [18:51] trying to break into my racket? [18:52] heh, your racket? [18:52] bow to the original :P [18:52] well, I guess AA was the original, but they meet every blue moon so don't count [18:55] It's not dead. [18:56] at the old location it will be [18:56] I'll change the title if it makes a wrong impression [18:57] Yeah, I think it does [18:58] I mean, nothing died, we're just looking to expand [18:59] http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/15/chc_moving/ [19:00] shouldn't that be chc_detroit is moving? [19:01] probably, but I typed this, detroit is in the new page title [19:01] consider it shock and awe to get you to read the post :P [19:01] Also, we're just rying this out to see if it'll work, right? :) [19:02] well, everyone that are regulars says it won't prevent them from going [19:02] so I'm not sure how it won't work out [19:02] I'd rather just commit, this is the change. I guess if something comes up we can backtrack, but not planning to backtrack off the start [19:02] it's still a 2.5 hour drive for me :( [19:02] OK [19:27] its "on my way home" [19:28] i just need to take a different way home [19:28] waldo323_: awesome, good to hear [19:29] with work in troy and home in livonia there are many ways to get home so it won't be much of a change for me [19:29] cool, we'll be at the old location this week [19:29] so will have a chance to remind everyone in person [19:29] ok [19:32] "whining about what that co-worker did to your code while you weren’t looking." nice. [19:32] :) [19:33] rick_h_: saw your "chc is moving" thing, but it doesn't say what the "new location" is [19:34] ?? the blog post? [19:34] has an embedded google map, the address, etc [19:34] last one I was at was a Caribou Coffee... did you guys move away from there for a while? [19:34] it's way down at the bottom, where i would expect an ad [19:34] no, we're moving to a new caribou coffee [19:34] oh, nevermind then. [19:35] well, figured once people got the map they'd not read further down [19:35] and want to be clear the dates/etc [19:35] yeah, i'm just pickin on you [19:57] ColonelPanic001: BTW: if you ever decide to sign up for FICS, my nick is snapl [19:58] fics [19:58] ? [19:58] ah. Not familiar with it [19:58] I'll poke at it later tonight if I remember [19:58] http://freechess.org [19:59] Goes for anyone else, if you're interested [20:00] eboard is a very good Linux interface. [20:01] as long as you promise to keep your comments about how much I suck at chess to a reasonable minimum [20:01] I'm horrible as well. [20:01] so never you mind. ;) [20:03] oh, yeah, everyone says that. Then I teach them what "horrible" means. [20:04] ;) [20:09] snap-l: status.net ? [20:10] that's a great idea. chess over identi'ca [20:11] everyone could watch your game [20:13] brousch: You'd likely need a special client for it [20:13] brousch: But it would be do-able. [20:13] jrwren: Status.net is the software running identi.ca [20:15] that'd be interesting [20:21] <_stink_> damn AT&T [20:22] <_stink_> i made a perverted joke and i don't think it got through [20:22] and this is ATT's fault? [20:22] <_stink_> it dropped my broadband connection [20:22] <_stink_> must be their decency filters [20:23] filters are good for some people [20:35] heh [20:42] oh crap https://github.com/blog/905-edit-like-an-ace [20:43] d00d [20:43] rick_h_: DOOOOOOOOD [20:43] THAT IS AWESOME! [20:43] ;) [20:44] I wonder if that's bespin behind the covers? [20:44] getting close to being able to use the chromebook for everything [20:44] Nope, cloud9 [20:45] which is the same thing, Google and Kevin Dangoor's blog tells me. [20:45] bespin == skywriter == ace [20:45] http://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/2011/01/18/mozilla-skywriter-has-been-merged-into-ace/ [20:46] yep, was just asking kevin why that wasn't in this new scratchpad thing in FF [20:47] damn, i need to try some of this out [20:48] hah, awesome [20:48] editing .rst docs on bookie from github [20:51] how do you commit? is that built into github? [20:53] Yea [20:54] so you can brach, and edit, and merge all through their webui? [20:54] well fork it commit and then pull request [20:55] and then merging the pull request is one button in the web ui [20:55] nice [20:56] so i won't have to learn after all. i can do it all in my web browser O:-) [20:57] will be cool for those small doc updates.. I don't have to git clone it locally to make the changes [20:59] snapl podcast tomorrow? [20:59] now it's easier to code from your phone, too [20:59] rick_h_droid: Possibly? [21:09] rick_h_droid: I should be free tomorrow to podcast. [21:09] cool, and will get notes together [21:15] rick_h_droid: What time, roughly? [21:16] 8? [21:16] kk [21:36] Anyone know who to escalate issues with Launchpad to?