[00:01] <antonio_> Hi everybody
[00:01] <antonio_> I'm from Brazil,,,,
[00:04] <antonio_> I'm tryng Ubutun at frist time.
[00:53] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[01:17] <hyp_spec> hello
[01:17] <hyp_spec> Does KDE have a short cut like (windows key + right/left) for window snapping?
[01:20] <hyp_spec> ello?
[01:22] <hightower88> ello
[01:31] <hightower88> dead IRC
[03:46] <jschall_> I need to set DisplaySize in xorg. Isn't xorg.conf deprecated now? how am I supposed to do that?
[04:08] <Shirakawasuna> jschall: most users don't need a xorg.conf, but you can certainly still use one
[04:08] <Shirakawasuna> jschall: you can try setting up a minimal one - add only what you need, see what /etc/xorg.conf.d has set up already (don't edit those other files)
[07:06] <si-mon> first time on an IRC channel just testing things out
[07:10] <si-mon> how is everyone doing tonight
[07:11] <teleproject> Hello! Can you help us with configuring Yate?
[07:13] <si-mon> sorry, Im not familar with that.......
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> !info yate
[07:14] <Mamarok> teleproject: they seem to have a rather well done documentation on their website: http://yate.null.ro/pmwiki/index.php?n=Main.Documentation
[07:18] <teleproject> I can't find enough information on the web-site
[07:20] <teleproject> The task is following: We have some lines from our sip-provider and some operators that make calls. We need to use another line if one of them have been already occupied by an operator.
[08:39] <doudou> bjr les gens
[08:39] <doudou> jsuis nouvelle
[08:40] <Binette> ya quelqu'un ic?
[08:40] <Binette> ici?
[08:43] <Quintasan> good morning
[08:51] <dormancy> ff
[08:51] <dormancy> hell
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> this isn't hell. hell is on your left...
[08:53] <dormancy> is this ?
[08:54] <dormancy> how install QQ in ubuntu 11.04?
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> what's QQ ?4
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> what's QQ ?
[08:55] <dormancy> this is a im tool like gtalk
[08:55] <DaemonFC> I believe it is an instant messaging service popular in China
[08:55] <dormancy> yes
[08:55] <DaemonFC> Kopete has a plug-in that claims to be compatible
[08:56] <dormancy> you are right
[08:56] <dormancy> bug that cann't use
[08:56] <dormancy> but
[08:56] <DaemonFC> Pidgin/libpurple also supports it iirc
[08:56] <dormancy> that don't work
[08:57] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure what else would, I am not familiar with their service
[08:57] <DaemonFC> if all else failed you could probably try stuffing their Windows client into Wine *shrug*
[08:58] <dormancy> in wine that not stable
[08:58] <DaemonFC> yes, Wine is hit or miss, that's why it's my last resort :)
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> are there packages for it anywhere?
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn>  a deb or .tar.bz or...
[08:59] <dormancy> not
[08:59] <DaemonFC> Wikipedia claims they have an official Linux binary
[08:59] <DaemonFC> have you tried looking for that on their site?
[09:00] <DaemonFC> oh, n/m
[09:00] <dormancy> yes ,but not find solution
[09:00] <DaemonFC> apparently what they mean by Linux is, there was one preview release three years ago :P
[09:00] <DaemonFC> that sucks
[09:01] <DaemonFC> pirate Windows is disturbingly popular in China, unfortunate really
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> the official os of china is linux based maybe that's why
[09:02] <DaemonFC> they could be teaching self-sufficiency instead of how to memorize menus and what to press when the machine crashes :)
[09:02] <dormancy> I konw,thanks
[09:14] <dormancy> in kubuntu ,when open screen protection  for moment ,the computer don't work why ?
[09:15] <dormancy> in kubuntu ,when open screen protection  for a moment ,the computer don't work why ?
[09:15] <well_laid_lawn> after locking the screen?
[09:15] <dormancy> yes
[09:16] <DaemonFC> what video driver?
[09:16] <DaemonFC> it's not FGLRX is it?
[09:17] <dormancy> how can i kown my video driver?
[09:17] <szal> e.g. 'lspci -k'
[09:18] <DaemonFC> have you installed anything that said it was proprietary video drivers?
[09:19] <dormancy> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[09:19] <DaemonFC> I've noticed lately that the proprietary AMD Radeon driver likes to suspend the monitor then fail to resume it
[09:19] <dormancy> no
[09:19] <DaemonFC> ahh, there are no proprietary Intel drivers
[09:19] <dormancy> ....
[09:19] <DaemonFC> I fixed my problem passing pcie_aspm=force on the kernel boot line
[09:20] <dormancy> how fix?
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> if it suspends when it locks there'll be a delay coming back
[09:21] <DaemonFC> some company that makes aspirin has done a lot of business thanks to ATI and various printer companies
[09:23] <dormancy> How to solve this problem
[09:27] <dormancy> "if it suspends when it locks there'll be a delay coming back " but some times,it don't come back
[09:28] <dormancy> like it is crashed ,but you can press ctrl + F1 to xterm ,
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> is that ctrl+alt+f1?
[09:30] <dormancy> yes
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> as a guess it'll be a memory issue - is it an old computer?
[09:31] <dormancy> not ,2G memery
[09:31] <dormancy> not ,2G memory
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> 4 series chip for the graphics says it's oldish - was it cheap memory you bought sometimes that doesn't work out
[09:34] <szal> "2G memory" doesn't say much about how old the machine is ;)
[09:35] <szal> my 7-yo secondary machine has 3 GiB in the meantime
[09:35] <dormancy> I know ,that said my chip is old
[09:35] <DaemonFC> I don't really like how they force you to stop using the system tray
[09:36] <DaemonFC> oops, wropng room
[09:37] <dormancy> thank you very much
[11:28] <jaimesharon> 0.0
[11:29] <Susie> >.>
[11:47] <Duolos> Quick question: when trying to install some packages (namely, restricted-extras), KPackageKit is asking for my install DVD.  How do I set it to just grab it from the repos?
[11:48] <mfraz74> Duolos: how are you with using the command line?
[11:49] <Duolos> mfraz74: Quite comfortable.  But I think I found it by just removing it from the sources :)
[11:50] <mfraz74> Duolos: that should work. The file you need to look in is /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <mfraz74> Duolos: the dvd entry is normally the first one
[11:51] <Duolos> mfraz74: Yeah, I asked for help a little too soon.  Completely forgot the dvd entry is enabled by default.
[11:52] <Duolos> Now I just gotta figure out how to install all the stuff I need for development again.  It's been about a year since I've touched Linux.
[11:53] <mfraz74> Duolos: don't worry about it. The other day I was wondering why I was getting error 403 from certain repos. Turns out I'd forgotten to update the proxy!
[11:54] <Duolos> I believe that's what the kids call a "brain fart" these days :)
[11:59] <mfraz74> true
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:09] <Duolos> Hmm... could someone please tell me how to install/run the Akonadi tray?
[12:11] <mfraz74> Duolos: easiest way is Alt-F2 and then type akonadi
[12:12] <gigitux_> errore
[12:13] <Duolos> mfraz74: Yeah, that's what I figured...  but it doesn't appear to even be installed
[12:14] <Duolos> akonadi isn't found
[12:14] <Duolos> However, I see the configuration tools in the K menu.
[12:18] <mfraz74> akonaditray is in the package kdepim-runtime
[12:33] <gigitux> apoi_ prova
[12:34] <bazhang> !it | gigitux
[13:32] <g0th> hi, how do I get digital audio out to a 5.1 surround system to work on kubuntu?
[13:39] <g0th> anyone?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> g0th, it depends what sounsetup you have , which player (I recommend VLC)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> g0th, got pulseaudio ?
[13:41] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio has DD and DTS passthru but it;s known to b buggy and unreliable
[13:42] <g0th> mplayer
[13:42] <g0th> yes I think pulseaudio
[13:44] <BluesKaj> g0th,ok so you want to use the cli with mplayer string commands to run the show , so to speak?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> g0th, ?
[13:47] <g0th> yes
[13:47] <g0th> but my problem is that it seems that I can't get 5.1 surround to work
[13:49] <g0th> the easiest would be if it could just be passed on to the amplifier
[13:49] <BluesKaj> well then i suggest you join the #mplayer chat , they'll know more ..I use vlc without pulseaudio and have been for a few yrs .. I can guide you how to set that up if you wish , otherwise ask in #mplayer, or maybe someone else here
[13:50] <g0th> but how do I get surround working in the kubuntu desktop?
[13:50] <g0th> like normal sound effects etc
[13:50] <g0th> resp. in multimedia
[13:50] <g0th> I should first do this before I go to specific applications, no?
[13:50] <g0th> i.e. first check if the audio driver/phonon/pulse/alsa/whatever settings I have work ok
[13:51] <BluesKaj> first of all , open alsamixer and make sure you choose spdif output
[13:51] <g0th> -ao pulse -channels 6 at least gives audio
[13:51] <g0th> but it is not surround audio
[13:52] <g0th> alsamixer or pavucontrol or what?
[13:52] <g0th> in alsamixer I have not muted spdif
[13:52] <g0th> what do you mean by "choose spdif output"?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is not necessary , unless you want several different audio streams going at the same time
[13:55] <g0th> but it is present
[13:55] <g0th> so we have to deal with it
[13:55] <BluesKaj> in phonon without pulseaudio , you will have more options
[13:55] <g0th> e.g. iirc alsa stuff is actually using pulseaudio
[13:55] <g0th> but it is not possible to easily remove pulseaudio
[13:55] <g0th> I tried it once and it caused more harm than it did good
[13:55] <g0th> I hate pulseaudio
[13:55] <BluesKaj> yes pulse audio rides on top of alsa as a sound server , it's not required
[13:56] <g0th> but it seems I am better of with it than without because it is bundled so tight
[13:56] <BluesKaj> no it's not
[13:56] <g0th> all right I try again
[13:56] <g0th> so what do I do?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> we had alsa working on kubuntu before pa was introduced
[13:57] <BluesKaj> remove pulseaudio
[13:57] <g0th> and what do I use?
[13:57] <g0th> alsa directly?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:57] <g0th> no
[13:57] <g0th> sorry I tried that
[13:57] <g0th> it is not working
[13:57] <BluesKaj> it's default anyway
[13:57] <g0th> example:
[13:57] <g0th> I open a firfox browser go to flash video page somewhere
[13:57] <g0th> play it
[13:58] <g0th> return do some other stuff
[13:58] <g0th> now audio is blocked
[13:58] <g0th> sometimes even if I kill firefox
[13:58] <BluesKaj> well . you have to set it up properly in phonon
[13:58] <g0th> hmm?
[13:58] <g0th> what does this have to do with the issue I mentioned?
[13:58] <g0th> alsa directly has the tendency to be "captured" by some stupid things like "flash/java/whatever"
[13:59] <g0th> I mean kind of hijacked
[13:59] <g0th> extremely annoying
[13:59] <g0th> that was another reason I switched back to pulse, even though I hate pulse
[14:01] <BluesKaj> g0th, do you want go any further ..I have digital out going to my audio receiver and alsa/phonon/vlc passes the signal properly
[14:01] <g0th> yes I want to go further
[14:01] <g0th> so you say it only works without pulse?
[14:02] <g0th> I "killall -9 pulseaudio"
[14:02] <g0th> but -ao alsa still gives no audio at -channels 6
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ok , if you want to try my method , the we can go further...
[14:03] <BluesKaj> just remove pulseaudio and logout and in , then we can proceed
[14:04] <g0th> why?
[14:04] <g0th> why can I not just kill pulseaudio?
[14:05] <g0th> I want to test it first instead of "removing it testing, seeing it doesnt work and installing everything again"
[14:05] <BluesKaj> to get rid of pulseaudio, it's persistent otherwise
[14:05] <g0th> hmpf
[14:05] <g0th> how do I solve this flash issue?
[14:05] <g0th> that applications hijack my audio?
[14:06] <g0th> anyway, doing it right now
[14:06] <g0th> hmm
[14:06] <g0th> need to go in 10 minutes though
[14:07] <g0th> brb
[14:12] <g0th> re
[14:12] <g0th> so I removed pulseaudio
[14:12] <g0th> now my whole phonon setup is messed up
[14:12] <g0th> :(
[14:13] <James147> g0th: have you tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Alternative_configurations   (for 5.1 using pulseaudio)
[14:13] <g0th> why do you say this after telling me to remove pulseaudio?
[14:13] <g0th> now all old configurations are gone
[14:13] <James147> beacuse you left before I could :)
[14:14] <James147> g0th: did you purge or remove? only purging would remove the configs
[14:14] <James147> (and user configs are never auto deleted)
[14:14] <g0th> K re ve
[14:14] <g0th> I removed it
[14:14] <g0th> but the configuration is still lost
[14:14] <g0th> it asked me when I started the phonon settings
[14:14] <g0th> anyway
[14:14] <g0th> so what do I do now with alsa?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> g0th, the phonon is not messed up , you just need to use the right setting dev=0 or whatever the alsamixer driver uses
[14:15] <g0th> why does it say "PulseAudio Sound Server" ?
[14:15] <g0th> even though I have no pulseaudio?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> what does?
[14:15] <g0th> phono
[14:15] <g0th> under device preferences
[14:15] <g0th> everything there is gone now, just pulse audio server left
[14:16] <BluesKaj> then you dodn't remove pulseaudio , you just killed it right/
[14:16] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:16] <g0th> no
[14:16] <g0th> I removed it
[14:17] <bazhang> !google | me
[14:17] <James147> g0th: what exactly did you remove?
[14:17] <g0th> everthing with "pulse" in its name
[14:17] <g0th> except libpulse
[14:17] <g0th> hmm but audio adapter digitel stereo now works :)
[14:18] <g0th> hmm actually I am not sure if it works because there is no test button, but mplayer still plays audio after I select the digital stereo in phonon...
[14:19] <g0th> hmm ok it doesnt work
[14:19] <g0th> but mplayer seems to work independently<
[14:19] <g0th> basically my whole phonon settings is total garbage
[14:20] <g0th> nothing is working and a lot of strange/wrong things written
[14:20] <BluesKaj> g0th, it's not , it just shows all your options
[14:20] <g0th> like "PulseAudio Sound Server" which is not here
[14:20] <g0th> I cannot select _anything_ now under Audio Hardware test
[14:20] <g0th> it is completely blank
[14:20] <g0th> shows no options
[14:21] <BluesKaj> open alsamixer in the terminal , what's the driver listed in the top left
[14:21] <g0th> HDA Intel
[14:22] <g0th> Chip: Realtek ALC888
[14:22] <BluesKaj> you probly need to reboot , to re-establish the phonon device list
[14:23] <g0th> ok
[14:23] <g0th> last thing I try
[14:23] <BluesKaj> damn pulseaudio
[14:24] <BluesKaj> it should be optional
[14:25]  * James147 finds pulseaudio works better then raw alsa :P
[14:26] <BluesKaj> James147, depends on the setup ...he needs to feed a digital stream to his audio amp ..not just a set of pc speakers
[14:28] <g0th> re
[14:28] <g0th> ok now everything looks completely different
[14:28] <g0th> (in a good way)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yes , now look for the alc888 digital in the phonon device list
[14:30] <g0th> yes there are now like 5 digital devices there
[14:30] <g0th> but there is no more device list
[14:30] <g0th> just device preference
[14:30] <g0th> direcat hardware with(out) software conversion
[14:31] <g0th> no comment
[14:31] <BluesKaj> usually the default is device=0 , pass the cursor over each one , but do the test sound on it first
[14:31] <g0th> and
[14:31] <g0th> it works
[14:31] <BluesKaj> does it say dev=0
[14:31] <g0th> but it seems to be dev=3
[14:31] <g0th> the digital one
[14:31] <g0th> dev=0 is analog
[14:32] <g0th> I need to go soon
[14:32] <g0th> mplayer -ao alsa -channels 6 still not working
[14:33] <g0th> is spdif the usual optical out?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok , that's fine , mine is intel/nvidia , alc1200 .. well, now if you think you absolutely have to use the cli , then you should go to #mplayer to ask about the proper command string
[14:34] <g0th> how do I setup kubnut/phonon?
[14:34] <g0th> I have now sound but I am not sure it is surround
[14:34] <BluesKaj> depends on your soundcard , is there a coax or optical out then try them
[14:35] <g0th> optical out
[14:35] <BluesKaj> is it connected your DAC on the amplifier ?
[14:36] <g0th> DAC?
[14:36] <g0th> the cable is connected if that is your question
[14:36] <BluesKaj> digital to analog converter
[14:36] <g0th> it is connected to optical digital in
[14:36] <g0th> basically it looks the same on the amp as on the pc
[14:37] <BluesKaj> do you have a dolby digital light or indicator on the amp?
[14:37] <g0th> I have a menu
[14:37] <g0th> there I can press info to see how many channels
[14:37] <g0th> I never got anything else besides 2 channels
[14:38] <g0th> on the info
[14:38] <BluesKaj> mine lights up a display telling me what digital stream is 3/2/1 etc
[14:38] <BluesKaj> 3=front 2=back  1=subwoofer
[14:39] <BluesKaj> g0th, that's why i use vlc rather than mplayer , it has configurable audi section which passes the DD and DTS to your amp properly
[14:40] <BluesKaj> audio
[14:40] <g0th> ok I try vlc
[14:40] <g0th> but that was not my question
[14:40] <g0th> my question was about the phonon settings
[14:41] <g0th> I want all these to be done "properly"
[14:42] <BluesKaj> g0th, we need to make sure that vlc is looking at the right feed from phonon
[14:43] <g0th> that's why we want to setup the default feed properly no?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:44] <g0th> where?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> you want the digital dev that passes from spdif to phonon then to vlc
[14:44] <g0th> what?
[14:44] <g0th> this has nothing to do with vl
[14:44] <g0th> vlc
[14:44] <g0th> I am asking about phonon
[14:45] <g0th> I can get mplayer/vlc etc to work with the help from their channels
[14:45] <g0th> but more importantly I want the base settings of alsa/phonon/etc to be correct
[14:45] <g0th> that is what I am worrying about atm
[14:46] <BluesKaj> alc888 digital dev=3 , or whichever one works is the one we choose in phonon , don't worry we''ll work that out after you install vlc
[14:46] <g0th> ok so I don't need to open any other program or edit alsa configuration files?
[14:46] <soee> any idea why apps cant remember activity they are assigned to ?
[14:47] <soee> looks like setting desktop in app properties doesnt work either :/
[14:47] <BluesKaj> no , leave alsa alone ..just need to make sure alsamixer is set up right
[14:47] <soee> i mean it works but isnt save
[14:48] <g0th> still isnt working
[14:48] <g0th> no surround
[14:48] <BluesKaj> soee I don't understand the activity option
[14:48] <BluesKaj> g0th, have patience . we're not finished yet
[14:50] <BluesKaj> g0th, open alsamixer , make sure digital is 90% and spdif is not muted
[14:50] <g0th> there is no "digital" in alsamixer
[14:51] <BluesKaj> g0th, f5 chooses " all " , then you 'll see it
[14:52] <BluesKaj> oops sorry I mean pcm
[14:52] <BluesKaj> to me pcm is digital :)
[14:53] <g0th> all up
[14:53] <g0th> to 90
[14:53] <g0th> still no surround
[14:54] <BluesKaj> open vlc /tools/preferences/audio
[14:55] <g0th> k
[14:56] <g0th> I have to go now
[14:56] <g0th> but it is not working
[14:57] <BluesKaj> g0th,in vlc   choose alsa output , spdif when aavailable , alc888 dev=3
[14:58] <g0th> I cannot set options
[14:58] <g0th> I choose alsa
[14:58] <g0th> bye
[14:58] <g0th> bb in 10 hours or so
[14:58] <Duolos> Hmm... trying to install a .deb but it's telling me I can't because it's 32-bit (I'm on Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit). Any way around that?
[14:58] <bazhang> Duolos, deb of what
[14:59] <Duolos> bazhang: Amazon MP3 Downloader
[14:59] <Duolos> They don't offer a 64-bit option, apparently.
[15:00] <anebi> hi, i just installed kubuntu on my pc as this is my first touch with kde. I almost configured everything but i need something that i miss yet.
[15:01] <anebi> When i open the terminal and select a string, it does not go to clipboard, this was default on ubuntu with gnome
[15:01] <anebi> can you tell me how can i get this working? this was very useful for me with gnome
[15:02] <Duolos> anebi: Do you mean you want it copied to the clipboard as soon as it's selected without having to right-click and choose copy?
[15:02] <Duolos> I didn't know Gnome did that.
[15:03] <anebi> Duolos: Yeah, exactly. :)
[15:03] <anebi> gnome does it and is very useful as it helps for faster work in terminal :)
[15:05] <James147> anebi: in klipper (in the systray) settings set iut to sync the clipboar and selection  buffers
[15:06] <James147> (also, middle click pastes the selection buffer)
[15:06] <James147> general idea is if you using the mouse to select you can middle click :)
[15:07] <anebi> James147: cool thanks, setting sync option did what i was looking for :) Yes, middle click is also very useful. paste is easier, but for copy it is difficult as we cannot use CTR + C in terminal :) Thanks again
[15:08] <James147> anebi: you can ^^ ctrl+shift+[c|v]
[15:09] <James147> (at least in konsole)
[15:09] <anebi> James147: yes, i do this right now, but combination if 3 buttons is too much for me :) i prefer other ways for this :) in case there is no other ways, then i use this :)
[15:10] <James147> you can change it to meta+c ^^ :)
[15:10] <anebi> James147: i didn't know about this, i just learned something new :)
[15:10] <James147> (you can change just about any keyboard shorcut in kde)
[15:10] <James147> either in the program or in system settings
[15:12] <anebi> James147: i will check this, i suppose it will not be necessary for now :)
[15:13] <anebi> can you give me any tips about better font configuration? i was playing little bit with it and get better results, but it looks like it still need some tuning. i'm with LCD display
[15:14] <James147> anebi: you played with the anti-aliasing settings?
[15:14] <anebi> James147: yes, it is enabled right now
[15:15] <James147> anebi: have you played with its setting though?
[15:15] <anebi> James147: yes. maybe i have to choose a better font. i'm using now ubuntu font, it was default i think
[15:15] <James147> yea
[15:17] <anebi> James147: thanks, i will do that. i have to leave now, bye bye for now
[15:23] <BluesKaj> James147, where's the set to sync option in the cipboard for klipper ?
[15:23] <James147> BluesKaj: setting > general
[15:24] <BluesKaj> heh, I have no clipboard anyway
[15:24] <James147> rather configure klipper > general :)
[15:26] <BluesKaj> there's no configure klipper here ...must be missing something
[15:26] <James147> BluesKaj: you have klipper running in the systray?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> yes  James147
[15:27] <James147> :s never seen it without that option
[15:27] <BluesKaj> edit contents ?
[15:28] <James147> nop
[15:30] <BluesKaj> err suddenly appeared with a whole lot of other stuff
[15:31] <BluesKaj> al I had was help , edit contents and a list of lines that had been copied
[15:34] <BluesKaj> James147, on neiric , some strange things happening ..keyring pw popups out of nowhere etc
[15:34] <BluesKaj> oneiric
[15:35] <James147> BluesKaj: what do you expect form a pre-released version? :)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> :)
[15:50] <Duolos> I recently install Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit and my max volume is EXTREMELY low.  Any way to fix that?
[15:50] <Duolos> ... kmix refuses to launch, by the way.
[15:51] <James147> Duolos: tried alsamixer?
[15:51] <Duolos> I didn't think KDE used alsa anymore...
[15:52] <BluesKaj> it sure does
[15:52] <Duolos> hey!  That did it.  Thanks, James147
[15:52] <BluesKaj> kmix is just a gui for alsamixer
[15:53] <Duolos> James147, BluesKaj: However, by increasing the master volume in alsamixer, while it increased my volume no longer allows me to control my volume with my laptop's physical controls.
[15:54] <Duolos> Any idea how to get the boost from a max "Master" in alsamixer but also have control?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> Duolos, then you need to find the right KB layout to make sure the ctrls will work
[15:55] <James147> Duolos: need kmix running to control the colum with shorcuts
[15:55] <James147> volume
[15:56] <Duolos> BluesKaj: the keys worked fine before I ran alsamixer, so I must have the right layout.
[15:56] <BluesKaj> yeah , kmix should do it
[15:56] <Duolos> Except that kmix refuses to run.  Even trying to run it from the konsole produces no output at all.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Duolos, do the KB vol ctrls show on the scrn when keyed?
[15:57] <Duolos> BluesKaj: Yes.  But with no effect on the actual volume.
[15:58] <James147> Duolos: is it running already? (pgrep -l kmix)
[15:58] <Duolos> James147: Ah.  Yes, it is.
[15:58] <James147> Duolos: if its not in the systray then try killing it and rerunning it
[15:59] <Duolos> James147: It is in the systray.  And changing the volume there has no effect either.
[15:59] <James147> hmm
[15:59]  * BluesKaj is reluctant to bring up the pulseaudio issues ..pavucontrol  might help tho
[16:00] <Duolos> James147: yeah, makes no sense to me.  It's like a completely different process has taken over my audio.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl ...lunchtime
[16:01] <James147> Duolos: pulseaudio should grab the audio when kde starts
[16:02] <James147> (then everything goes through that)
[16:03] <Duolos> What is Phonon?  ... sorry, it's been a long time since I've used KDE
[16:04] <Duolos> I don't know.  I remember I stopped using linux a couple years ago because I couldn't get the sound figured out :-/
[16:04] <Duolos> It's more of a minor issue for me now, but still annoying.
[16:08] <James147> Duolos: its a layer in kde that deals with sound :)
[16:08] <Duolos> I did get Kmix open and tried setting shortcuts, but they're already set properly.  So Kmix is no longer handling volume.
[16:17] <BluesKaj> kmix should handle the master volume ..it's ied directly to it, Duolos
[16:17] <BluesKaj> tied
[16:19] <Duolos> BluesKaj: Right.  I know that.  But I'm telling you, it's not lol
[16:19] <Duolos> Even in the Kmix mixer, I can move the sliders for the volume and nothing changes
[16:20] <Duolos> Doesn't matter which device I change the sliders for (unless it's the "ALSA" device)...
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Duolos, open the phonon device list and do the sound "test" by highlighting the device at the top
[16:21] <Duolos> The ALSA plugin under Kmix controls the volume fine, but I can't set my keyboard to control that.
[16:21] <BluesKaj> then click the test button
[16:21] <Duolos> BluesKaj: I've tried that... nothing happens when I click the test buttons
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Duolos, what devices are listed in phonon ?
[16:22] <Duolos> "Internal Audio" and my Radeon HD sound card.
[16:22] <Duolos> Those are the only two devices listed.
[16:23] <Duolos> The Radeon is the RS880
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Duolos, ok we need to know which soundcard is default. lspci -nn | grep -i audio
[16:25] <Duolos> p0:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] (rev 40)
[16:25] <Duolos> 01:05.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc RS880 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4200] [1002:970f]
[16:25] <BluesKaj> also alsamixer will list the card that it's using
[16:26] <BluesKaj> in the upper left
[16:26] <Duolos> BluesKaj: Just says ATI HDA SB as the card.
[16:27] <Duolos> That seems more like the first one than the second (which I know is what Windows used...the Radeon HD)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yes it's the first'
[16:28] <Duolos> However, when trying to assign my keyboard audio keys to shortcuts, I'm only given the option to assign them to the Radeon.
[16:28] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  short question:  I can not find the option in kmail to turn on quotations in every reply...  my reply emails are always blank..   any idea?
[16:28] <Duolos> (which I know is still  ATI, but not the same in this case)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Duolos, in the terminal run . alsmixer -V all
[16:31] <BluesKaj> err alsamixer -V all
[16:32] <Duolos> BluesKaj: It loaded the same alsamixer I've been using.  What am I looking for?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> it just turna the volume up to max on all outputs
[16:33] <Duolos> BluesKaj: Right.  That DOES increase the volume.
[16:33] <Duolos> But I can't change volume without using alsamixer anymore; that's the problem.
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Duolos, sounds like kmix is linked to the other card some how
[16:36] <BluesKaj> we need to make the alksamixer card the default globally
[16:38] <BluesKaj> Duolos, sudo asoundconf list then , sudo asoundconf set-default-card nameofcard ,then sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[16:44] <BluesKaj> Duolos, innplace of sudo asoundconf list  , run sudo aplay -l
[16:45] <Duolos> asoundconfig was not found
[16:45] <Duolos> err asoundconf
[16:45] <Duolos> Anyway, BluesKaj, I appreciate your help, but I've got to run
[16:46] <Duolos> I'll look into it a bit more later.
[16:55] <gorgonzola_> hello! can anyone help me with the network folder wizard? its just refusing to connect...
[16:59] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola_, what kind of OS does the target pc run ?
[16:59] <gorgonzola_> kubuntu
[16:59] <gorgonzola_> it repliees perfectly to ssh over the ommand line
[16:59] <gorgonzola_> but it fails with solaris machines too
[16:59] <gorgonzola_> it's clearly a problem in knetattach specifically.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> in add network folder are you choosing secure shell option ?
[17:02] <gorgonzola_> yup
[17:02] <gorgonzola_> BluesKaj, i'm doing everything as i've always done it, and this setup used to work flawlessly until the update too 4.7
[17:03] <gorgonzola_> BluesKaj i have several entries in my network folder, two solaris machines and my home computer runnning kubuntu
[17:03] <gorgonzola_> BluesKaj now they all fail in knetattach, but still work on regular ssh
[17:03] <BluesKaj> ok, some dispute the efficacy of /etc/hosts.allow, but I always list the IPs of networked machines there for good measure
[17:04] <gorgonzola_> mmm, i had never done that before... problem is, these machines all have dynamic ips, so i connect to them through dns names
[17:05] <gorgonzola_> they re all remote machines...
[17:05] <BluesKaj> are you using dns masq as well ?
[17:05] <gorgonzola_> as dns client?
[17:05] <gorgonzola_> i guess, if it's the default
[17:05] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:05] <BluesKaj> it's not default
[17:05] <gorgonzola_> but the dns client is working fine, the machines does connet through ssh.
[17:06] <BluesKaj>  but not that important in your case
[17:06] <gorgonzola_> ok
[17:07] <gorgonzola_> fyi, knetattach doesn't just fails, it hangs... if the entries are already created, dolphin stays saying "Opening SFTP connection to $HOST"
[17:07] <gorgonzola_> if the entry is not created before hand, the dialog itself hangs.
[17:07] <gorgonzola_> only if i cancel the onnection does it complain with the "unable to establish connection, heck settings" message
[17:09] <BluesKaj> why are you trying the network folder appraoch , gorgonzola_ ?
[17:10] <gorgonzola_> because it's awesome? i like how kio handles the folders transparently, and i don't want to configure nfs servers and clients with mobile machines
[17:11] <gorgonzola_> this way, i can just use the ssh server that is running anyhow, and stop worrying about it. needless to say, this bug has really f*cked up my workflow :(
[17:11] <BluesKaj> so you use a dns server for the remote machine that have dynamic IPs ?
[17:12] <gorgonzola> ok, details...
[17:13] <gorgonzola> i control two machines. they are laptops, and move around. they have ddns clients and report their ips to my dns service as soon as they get online, wherever they are
[17:13] <gorgonzola> so machine1.domain.tlc always points to my home machine
[17:13] <gorgonzola> and machine2.domain.tlc always points to my work machine
[17:14] <gorgonzola> on addition to that, i use two remote machines that i doon't control. a university cluster that probably uses several static ips for workload
[17:14] <gorgonzola> and my brother's lan
[17:14] <gorgonzola> my machines run kubuntu
[17:14] <gorgonzola> the others solaris.
[17:15] <gorgonzola> i would reallly like to be able to do what i always did until a week ago.
[17:15] <gorgonzola> but i have no idea how to debug knetattach, or even where to report the bug...
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ok gorgonzola . that's a very intersting problem, unfortunately I have no experience with "real remote" machines ..I'm, limited to lan type networking
[17:25] <gorgonzola> let me check if it fails when connecting to localhost :P
[17:25] <gorgonzola> AHA
[17:26] <gorgonzola> if i connect to thsi machine using its fqdn, it works...
[17:26] <gorgonzola> let me see if using the ip directly works...
[17:27] <gorgonzola> yup. it seems it's a name issue
[17:28] <gorgonzola> using the ip works.
[17:28] <gorgonzola> BlueKaj soooo... any changes in kde's dns client in 4.7?
[17:28] <gorgonzola> or at least the dns client used by kneetattach?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, kde dns client ?..not sure what you mean
[17:31] <gorgonzola> well, knetattach fails when using fqdn's for remote machines. fqdn's for local machines work. but everything else works fine... i.e. ssh over cli, or web browsers
[17:32] <gorgonzola> and this same setup worked perfectly before 4.7. so they must have changed something in the way dolphin, or kde, or whatever knetattach uses for dns translation, works.
[17:32] <BluesKaj> changes ? ...I haven't changed any settings in network/interfaces , resolv.conf any other network conf files
[17:32] <gorgonzola> nono. i mean upstream
[17:32] <gorgonzola> this worked perfectly until i updated to 4.7
[17:34] <BluesKaj> odd . i did notice the network folder problem alright , but I run nfs server on this machine for the others on the network and they are ok, so i din't bother trying to track it down
[17:35] <gigitux> Good
[17:35] <gorgonzola> but nfs doesn't use kio, right?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, don't know
[17:37] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj ok. well, i guess i'll translate names manually until i find someone in #kde willing to lietn to my story... thanks for your time.
[17:38] <BluesKaj> etc/fstab on client and server seems to mount the dirs , and I'm not familiar with what kio does
[17:44] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj, yes, fstab is lower level than kde or kio. frome the point of view of kde, nfs filesystems are just like local harddrives. kio, on the other hand, takes some arbitrary service and presents it as a filesystem through kde, to apps that use kde's virtual filesystem. different beasts. this is a problem in kio, ie, internal to kde.
[17:44] <gorgonzola> but i really don't want to configure or use nfs :)
[17:45] <BluesKaj> right gorgonzola thanks for the explanation ..nfs can be a pita to setup , even just on a lan
[17:46] <BluesKaj> it's not real secure for one thing
[17:47] <BluesKaj> natively that is ..I guess one could use encryption
[17:48] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, one question are you X forwarding with ssh to the remotes ?
[17:52] <Hootch> hey all, i installed k-11.04 :) should i also install the nvidia driver for 3d support?
[17:52] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj nope. but on the cli it works with it too
[17:53] <Hootch> the difference to ubuntu was the dialog to install nvidia after the ubuntu setup. whats happen with kubuntu?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> Hootch, kmenu>apps.>system>additional drivers
[17:55] <Hootch> BluesKaj: thx a lot :)
[17:56] <BluesKaj> Hootch, np :)
[18:05] <freerabit> has it occurd to any1,tat while restartin a hibernatd kubuntu11.04, my kmail/dimap  files are all lost..??
[18:07] <PiotrN> freerabit: to be honest never had a problem with kmail after a hibernation wakeup fails
[18:08] <PiotrN> and.. well that happens quite a lot have to say
[18:08] <freerabit> PiotrN: hmm..im downloadin my mails again.. :-) everythng is lost..share/kmail/dimap is empty..
[18:08] <freerabit> PiotrN: ok
[18:09] <freerabit> *apps/kmail/dimap..
[18:10] <PiotrN> freerabit: you use pop3 or imap account ?
[18:10] <freerabit> disconnectd imap..
[18:10] <PiotrN> same here...
[18:10] <freerabit> PiotrN: whn did this happn to u??
[18:11] <Quintasan> freerabit: By any chance, are you using the 4.7 PIM?
[18:11] <PiotrN> last time my laptop failed to wakeup from hibernation ? saturday for sure
[18:12] <PiotrN> lost nothing, kmail was running when comp went into hibernation
[18:12] <PiotrN> kmail 4.4* here
[18:12] <Quintasan> If he is using 4.7 PIM stack then I'd suggest filing a bug upstream
[18:13] <PiotrN> seems like something kde folks would have think about anyways...
[18:13] <freerabit> Quintasan: its 4.6.2
[18:14] <Quintasan> Hmm,
[18:14] <Quintasan> No idea, really, hibernation shouldn't eat your emails
[18:14] <PiotrN> at least not by design :)
[18:19] <freerabit> PiotrN, Quintasan: hmm..lets see..will check again and will let you guys know..
[18:20] <PiotrN> in the mean time... i'll backup my files...
[18:21] <PiotrN> how knows what next update will bring !
[18:23] <Quintasan> New features!
[18:24] <freerabit> PiotrN: good one.. :-)
[18:24] <PiotrN> :-)  new featrures are cool, but I like the old ones working :)
[18:28] <freerabit> PiotrN: kubuntu initiative is very good.but it would have been even better if the release cycle was made atleast 1 yr.so tat developers+testers can atleast sit and have time to fix/analyze bugs and make it more prefect..
[18:30] <PiotrN> kubuntu is so small (in terms of numer of devs), i hardly expext them to introduce/fix errors others then packaging and configuration
[18:30] <tsimpson> KDE SC developers are the ones that are supposed to fix bugs, not Kubuntu developers ;)
[18:34] <PiotrN> well, if they had the time, they could send patches upstream... but as said before, i'm happy kubuntu is as good as it is
[18:35]  * PiotrN is waiting patiently untill new PIM is ready for prime time
[18:35] <freerabit> tsimpson: i might be wrong,but isn't it kubuntu devels packagin and maintaining the packages??& alpha/beta team can be given some more time to analyze..
[18:36] <PiotrN> freerabit: much of the system is based on ubuntu, so kubuntu kinda has to follow their release cycle
[18:37] <freerabit> PiotrN: oh..
[18:37] <PiotrN> kde is just the window manager...
[18:37] <rww> KDE is a desktop environment, not a window manager.
[18:37] <freerabit> PiotrN: so ubuntu is more stable compared to *ubuntu??
[18:38] <rww> freerabit: no, not noticibly
[18:38] <tsimpson> Ubuntu is a project, which includes the projects "Ubuntu" (for Ubuntu + Gnome/Unity) and "Kubuntu" (Ubuntu + KDE SC), and others
[18:38] <tsimpson> the only differences are the GUI
[18:38] <freerabit> PiotrN: i was thnkin the major/default packages in both gnome and kde are differnet and have differnt progrmmin env (Qt and GTK??)
[18:39] <PiotrN> freerabit: well.. nothign is simple, some pople love gnome, others prefer kde
[18:40] <PiotrN> gnome is bigger in terms of numer of developers
[18:40] <PiotrN> and it uses different philosophy
[18:40] <PiotrN> kde is a bit like windows, common theme, common base library
[18:40] <PiotrN> qt is everywhere
[18:41] <freerabit> hmm
[18:41] <tsimpson> GTK+ is also cross-platform
[18:41] <freerabit> ok
[18:41] <PiotrN> not meaning the platforms, but how much does the qt bring with itself
[18:42] <PiotrN> you now get webkit in qt...
[18:42] <tsimpson> and with GTK
[18:42] <PiotrN> there is ?
[18:43] <tsimpson> WebKit is not a Qt product, it's just included in Qt (as with GTK)
[18:43] <rww> PiotrN: you haven't heard of Epiphany, I take it :P
[18:43] <PiotrN> ok, does it show i dont use gnome ? :)
[18:44] <tsimpson> I don't use Gnome either, or GTK+, I just like to hate it for the proper reasons rather than FUD ;p
[18:45] <PiotrN> i dont hate gnome, i just like kde better
[18:45] <tsimpson> I do hate GTK+, writing code in it that is
[18:45] <PiotrN> had a problem with it not being based on open library for a time, but since now qt is free, i like kde even more
[18:46] <tsimpson> Qt was always free
[18:46] <PiotrN> for opensource
[18:46] <tsimpson> it was GPL, now it's LGPL
[18:46] <tsimpson> depending on who you ask, LGPL is less "free" than GPL
[18:47] <rww> or more Free, again depending on who you ask :)
[18:47] <PiotrN> it was not free (as beer) for non-free projects
[18:47] <rww> anyways, Qt was originally under some FreeQt license that, predictably, wasn't Free.
[18:48] <tsimpson> the only reason it wasn't always LGPL (or similar), is that Trolltech needed to make money to pay developers
[18:48] <PiotrN> in any case, long time ago, kde 3 was better the the gnome, and so i stick with kde till now
[18:48] <rww> Qt2 switched to QPL, which was Free but not GPL-compatible, then 2.2 was GPL2
[18:50] <PiotrN> well.. the whole reason for creation of gnome, was the fact that at the time, qt was not free...
[18:50] <PiotrN> at least not enough...
[18:50] <PiotrN> that's at least how i remember it
[18:53] <tobago> i'm on vim Vi IMproved 7.3 (natty narwhal), but when i yank some lines, close the file, open another file and try to paste the lines, the "register '' is empty". what's going wrong?
[18:55] <tobago> with vim  Vi IMproved 7.1 (ubuntu hardy heron) it works perfectly...
[18:55] <James147> tobago: might want to ask #vim  :)
[18:57] <tobago> James147: i did so... thought maybe it's more a default setting of vim, which differs between the versions, and somebody here might know.
[19:02] <noaXess> hey
[19:02] <noaXess> ups
[19:03] <noaXess> killed my network plasma widget.. cause reinstalled plasma-widget-networkmanagement... now i can't configure over networkmanagement... before i had wicd and it worked perfect.. i just wanted to test something in networkmanager..
[19:04] <noaXess> is have done this: sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[19:04] <noaXess> and remove wicd...
[19:04] <noaXess> cable networking is working now... but can't see anything on the widget.
[19:05] <noaXess> any idea what package i need also to install?
[19:06] <skierpage> I'm running Kubuntu 11.04 on an HP desktop with two CD-ROM drives. Everything works fine, except that nothing happens when I insert a CD.
[19:07] <James147> noaXess: is networkmanager installed?
[19:07] <skierpage> There's no device action notification, no popup offering to open in Dolphin or play with a music player. I have the usual rules for this in System Settings > Device Actions, but they don't fire.
[19:07] <noaXess> James147: letme check
[19:07] <noaXess> James147: yep
[19:08] <noaXess> but network-manager-kde not...
[19:08] <noaXess> do i need that?
[19:08] <James147> noaXess: dont think you need that... if i remember correctly is holds the old knetworkmanager
[19:08] <PiotrN> skierpage: how about system settings -> removable devices
[19:08] <James147> noaXess: is networkmanager running?
[19:08] <skierpage> I think 'The devices property for Device Type: Optical Disc" for "Available Content: Audio" doesn't match', but I'm not sure how to debug.
[19:09] <noaXess> James147: so.. in background networking is running.. even i can't be her ;) LOL..
[19:09] <noaXess> James147: let me check..
[19:09] <noaXess> James147: start: Job is already running: network-manager
[19:09] <skierpage> PiotrN, aha, enable automatic mounting of removable media is grayed out.
[19:10] <PiotrN> skierpage: has it work before ?
[19:10] <PiotrN> might be some issue with permissions
[19:11] <noaXess> James147: strange thing. in the network-manager widget i see data statistic..
[19:11] <skierpage> PiotrN, I got a notification and options for CDs on my previous PC, but 11.04 is the first distro I've installed on this PC.
[19:12] <James147> noaXess: remove and readd the widget
[19:12] <PiotrN> skierpage: it's only for CDs ? how about usb flash drives ?
[19:12] <PiotrN> do those work normally ?
[19:13] <noaXess1> James147: in the widget i see cable unplugged.. but i see statistic??
[19:14] <skierpage> PiotrN, yes, they give me an option to mount.  Let me try some things, brb
[19:14] <PiotrN> skierpage: if you can, make sure the cd's are readable
[19:18] <noaXess1> any idea how can i bring back my network manager.. also the widget?
[19:21] <James147> noaXess1: you could try rebooting ^^ :)
[19:22] <noaXess1> James147: ahh.. done that already.. but test now another way.. be back sooooon
[19:24] <skierpage> Piotr, CD shows up fine in dolphin, device action "kioclient exec audiocd:/" works fine, vlc can File > Open Disk >  /dev/cdrom1" fine...
[19:25] <skierpage> It's the Device Actions that doesn't trigger.  Is there a way to run this piece of code in debug mode?
[19:25] <noaXess> grrr-
[19:25] <noaXess> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:26] <noaXess> comeon guys.. some tips.. need control my network...
[19:27] <BluesKaj> wifi or ethernet?
[19:27] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj... both.. eth0 is working in background.. but i can't controll it over the widget... cable unplugged.. and wifi i can't see any wifi network...
[19:28] <noaXess> and i can't enable the wlan checkbox in the widget
[19:29] <noaXess> before i worked with wicd.. and all was fine.. i just wanted to test something in network-manager..
[19:29] <Peace-> noaXess: there is wicd-qt
[19:30] <James147> noaXess: you could try deleteing /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state and restarting networkmanager but I am not sure it will help
[19:30] <Peace-> noaXess: have you supend to ram ?
[19:30] <noaXess> Peace-: and what to do with that?
[19:30] <noaXess> Peace-: no..
[19:30] <Peace-> ok
[19:30] <BluesKaj> network manager has me stymied on kde and not using any wifi , so I use static ip in /etc/network/interfaces without network manager installed
[19:31] <Peace-> noaXess: you can replace network manager with wicd-qt
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Peace-, does wicd-qt work on wifi ?
[19:31] <Peace-> BluesKaj: of course then
[19:31] <Peace-> it should be on the repository
[19:31] <Peace-> i did one time the package
[19:31] <Peace-> xD
[19:32] <BluesKaj> wicd hasn't worked for me on wifi since 9,10
[19:32] <noaXess> Peace-: i know.. but in wicd there is a problem with wlan's that share the same ESSID.. they willb e listed both and i need to manually swtich to the better wlan connection.. maybe in the network manager widget i just see one essid.. so it uses autmatically the best connection
[19:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj:  noaXess don't install my package is old try to read this http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/kubuntu-wicd-client-kde-install-it/
[19:32] <James147> BluesKaj: have you been tring it every release?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> James147, yes
[19:33] <noaXess> i haven't any problem with wicd.. i now tha network-manager needed to be uninstalled to get wicd work perfect
[19:33] <Peace-> noaXess: have you tried the qt version i mean...
[19:33] <Peace-> btw
[19:34] <James147> noaXess: think that might be handeled by lower level tools then networkmanager/wicd
[19:34] <BluesKaj> wicd isn't rt 2870 (ralink) friendly, James147
[19:34] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mm really ?
[19:34] <Peace-> it should
[19:34] <noaXess> Peace-: will try
[19:34] <James147> BluesKaj:  :)
[19:35] <BluesKaj> I tried the rt2800 blacklist method etc , no luck
[19:36] <James147> BluesKaj: I think i might have that card... last I checked with networkmanager it worked (except for ah-hoc networking)
[19:37] <BluesKaj> usb belkin /ralink , James147
[19:39] <James147> BluesKaj: Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2800 802.11n PCI    ^^ is mine :p
[19:39] <BluesKaj> ok going to the other pc to try wicd-qt
[19:39] <skierpage> Hey IRC channel operators, this forum's topic points to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ, but that winds up redirecting to a generic not-very-helpful Ubuntu FAQ
[19:40] <cher> When I try to watch videos on Youtube, I get a message that I need to download flash first. I've checked with KPackageKit that adobe flash is installed, even re-installed it. The problem appears in Firefox as well as in Chrome. Is this a known problem? And what is the workaround?
[19:41] <James147> cher: http://www.youtube.com/html5    :)  is one way
[19:41] <cher> The version requested by Youtube is 10, and KPackageKit says I've installed version 10.3.183
[19:41] <cher> The problem does not onl appear on youtube, but other sites as well.
[19:41] <skierpage> cher, which browser?
[19:41] <cher> skierpage: Firefox and Chrome. Didn't try rekonq / konqueror yet.
[19:41] <skierpage> Sorry, firefox.  What does about:plugins say?
[19:42] <PiotrN> cher: go to firefox, addons manager -> extensions and see if you have the flash player extension there
[19:43] <cher> Also tried konqueror, rekonq and Opera now, same problem.
[19:43] <skierpage> Mine lists Shockwave Flash, File: libflashplayer.so.  PiotrN, it appears under Plugins, not Extensions
[19:44] <PiotrN> yea, plugins...
[19:45] <PiotrN> the point being, there was a problem with the flash update about a week ago
[19:45] <skierpage> cher, PackageKit should have done the right thing but you can look at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins in Dolphin or a terminal and there should be a libflashplayer.so in there.
[19:45] <cher> It doesn't list flash in plugins. And when I try "install missing plugins", it says "no matching plugin found".
[19:46] <PiotrN> cher, try issueing: sudo apt-get remove flashplayer-installer, then sudo apt-get clean, and then sudo apt-get install flashplayer-installer
[19:46] <cher> Okay, in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins there is no libflashplayer.so, only libjavaplugin.so and skypebuttons.so
[19:47] <cher> Are you sure that the name flashplayer-installer is the correct package name?
[19:48] <PiotrN> sorry, flashplugin
[19:48] <PiotrN> my bad
[19:48] <PiotrN> flashplugin-installer
[19:48] <BluesKaj-Den> wicd-qt must be wicd-kde in the repos ..right ?
[19:50] <PiotrN> there was a problem with the package, it tried to download not existing file from cannonical partners ftp, kpackagekit showed it as installed, but libflashplugin was not there...
[19:50] <cher> Okay that worked. Somehow when I tried this with KPackageKit, it did not work. I guess the apt-get clean step was important, and KPackageKit seems not to trigger that.
[19:50] <noaXess> -- back with wicd...
[19:50] <noaXess> and all is working fine..
[19:51] <BluesKaj-Den> ok reboot
[19:54] <cher> For konqueror and Opera, a restart of the app was required. Firefox, Chrome and rekonq found the plugin without restart.
[19:58] <BluesKaj-Den> well , wicd-kde , so far so good , James147 :)
[19:59] <James147> :) never much liked wicd and dont really ahve a problem with the current networkmanager :
[19:59] <BluesKaj-Den> belkin usb wifi rt2870 actully works
[20:00] <James147> BluesKaj: does it work with networkmanager?
[20:01] <BluesKaj-Den> dunno , , haven't tried since May
[20:02] <dragunner> teste
[20:02] <dragunner> weojkfnewf
[20:02] <James147> dragunner: please use words ^^
[20:02] <BluesKaj-Den> James147:  wicd-kde worked from the get-go , just ran the wpa2 passphrase and it connected in about 20 secs
[20:03] <skierpage> Re my not-happening CD Device Actions, `solid-hardware list details` lists "udi = '/org/freedesktop/UDisks/devices/sr0:media'" and knows "  OpticalDisc.availableContent = 'Audio|Data'  (0x3)  (flag)" , so you'd think the Device Actions would work!
[20:05] <Firefishe> I just upgraded to maverick from lucid, and I want to continue the upgrade to 11.04, but my networking system, wireless and ethernet, are completely down.
[20:05] <James147> Firefishe: you tried connecting via command line?
[20:07] <Firefishe> James147: How might I do that?
[20:08] <James147> Firefishe: "sudo services network-manager stop",  "sudo ifconfig eth0 down" "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" and finially "sudo dhclient"     (for wired at least)
[20:09] <Firefishe> James147: I'll give it a try, thanks.
[20:13] <skierpage> are you the same "Firefishe" who patiently helped me partition for Kubuntu 9.04?  Good times ;-) !  http://userbase.kde.org/User:Skierpage#Partitioning
[20:17] <skierpage> Re my not happening CD Device Actions, I think from disorganized bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/709868 the problem is my drives have " StorageVolume.ignored = true" in Solid.
[20:25] <KomiaPoi1a> hi
[20:25] <KomiaPoi1a> does kubuntu have read-write capability with ntfs-3g package installed?
[20:26] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: yes
[20:27] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: or at least its in the repos
[20:27]  * James147 cant remember anymore...
[20:27] <KomiaPoi1a> thanks
[20:27] <James147> try installing kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:27] <KomiaPoi1a> i will
[20:29] <KomiaPoi1a> what version of kubuntu should i pick if i like cutting edge but still require some usabililty
[20:29] <KomiaPoi1a> usability*
[20:29] <KomiaPoi1a> Kubuntu Oneiric Alpha 3 Released
[20:29] <KomiaPoi1a> ?
[20:29] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: latest stable is best bet unless you like your system breaking everynow and then :)
[20:29] <KomiaPoi1a> i like not
[20:30] <James147> (normally best to have at least one stable install somewhere)
[20:31] <KomiaPoi1a> i got an old laptop pc for free, how do i find out if i need kubuntu 32bit or 64bit
[20:31] <KomiaPoi1a> its a 3 years old asus
[20:32] <James147> what does it have on it atm?
[20:33] <KomiaPoi1a> James147: it has ati radeon xpress 1100
[20:33]  * James147 ment os
[20:33] <KomiaPoi1a> intel pentium dualcore
[20:33] <KomiaPoi1a> it has no os on it atm since it has no hard disk
[20:33] <KomiaPoi1a> but it had windows vista on it before
[20:33] <skierpage> KomiaPoi1a, Kubuntu 64-bit will probably work, you can try booting the live CD or live USB to verify.
[20:33] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: then if you know the cpu look it up online :)#
[20:34] <KomiaPoi1a> heh
[20:34] <skierpage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual-Core says there were both 32- and 64-bit versions
[20:34] <KomiaPoi1a> i just found out from the stickers
[20:34] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: 32bit will just work... 64bit probally will work... if you have the banwidth then you could try the 64bit iso and if it failes to boot then dl the 32bit one
[20:34] <James147> (or look up the cpu online first to make sure)
[20:35] <James147> KomiaPoi1a: yeah... need a model number to find out exactly :)
[20:35] <skierpage> KomiaPoi1a , BTW lots of laptops still come with 32-bit Windows even though they have 64-bit CPUs.
[20:38] <skierpage> I want to file a bug about my CD woes with Device Actions/Solid, but "KDE Base Runtime does not use Launchpad for bug tracking." ?
[20:38] <James147> skierpage: bugs.kde.org if i remember correctly :)
[20:41] <skierpage> James147, right, clicking around gave a different notice "Bugs are tracked in KDE Bug Tracking System."  So I can use Help > Report Bug
[20:42] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Is it possible to use a ssh key with fish:// in dolphin?
[20:42] <hazamonzo> As if i were using the ssh / scp -i argument
[20:42] <James147> hazamonzo: why not use sftp://  ??
[20:43] <hazamonzo> James147: Hmm. never used it. i will have a look
[20:43] <hazamonzo> James147: Cheers
[20:43] <Daskreech> James147: I don't think that answers the question :)
[20:43] <James147> Daskreech: no... :)
[20:44] <Daskreech> If the server has no password then it still won't login
[20:44] <hazamonzo> James147: umm. you couldn't tell me the syntax for a sftp connection with a key file passed along?
[20:44] <hazamonzo> Daskreech: Yeah there is no password. Its an EC2 server
[20:44] <James147> hazamonzo: your not using the default key?
[20:44] <hazamonzo> So i have a private key here
[20:44] <James147> (location...)
[20:45] <James147> fish seems to use the default key here :)
[20:45] <James147> like sftp
[20:45] <James147> (though I am useing ssh-agent)
[20:46] <Daskreech> ssh-agent! that might work
[20:46] <hazamonzo> James147: Sorry for sounding like an idiot but what do you mean by default key?
[20:46] <Daskreech> Never thought of that
[20:46] <hazamonzo> Im used to just using something like scp -i mykeyfile user@host
[20:46] <hazamonzo> I kinda wanted to create a shortcut in my dolphin that will allow me to easily open up the connection to the server to move files
[20:47] <hazamonzo> i have one already that i use my that server uses a password
[20:47]  * hazamonzo google ssh-agent
[20:47] <James147> hazamonzo: ssh-agent is a way of loading keys in memry so you dont need to keep typeing their passwords for every connection..
[20:47] <hazamonzo> coaboa|afk: Interesting!
[20:48] <hazamonzo> ummm
[20:48] <James147> (you can instead do ssh-add once and load the keys)
[20:48] <hazamonzo> I meant James147
[20:50] <U236Willy> I'm at 84% of a major package update inside KPackageKit and it hasn't budged off of 84% for probably 10 mins now. (it's at 'Installed -- KDM ...'  Should I be concerned?
[20:51] <Daskreech> hazamonzo: Those two get mixed up allllll the time
[20:51] <James147> U236Willy: mildly
[20:51] <Daskreech> ;)
[20:52] <hazamonzo> Daskreech: Hehehe :)
[20:59] <g0th> re
[20:59] <g0th> BluesKaj: hi, are you here?
[21:36] <systemclient> is there a way to get the output of some command (tail -f) printed onto the desktop?
[21:36] <systemclient> something like the file watcher plasmoid
[21:41] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm running Kubuntu 8.04 and am not able to record sound. Would I ask for help in here or in another channel?
[21:41] <systemclient> littlegirl: sounds good for this channel
[21:42] <systemclient> do you have selected the right audio channel and is the volumed turned up?
[21:42] <littlegirl> Cool, thanks. It's internal audio I'm having trouble recording. The details are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/667692/
[21:42] <littlegirl> And my current mixer settings are here, although I fiddled with them a bit to try to get it working: http://imagebin.org/168151
[21:43] <littlegirl> Apparently arecord is installed by default, but I can't record with anything else I've tried either, if that helps any. (:
[21:43] <Daskreech> systemclient: you want some random command to show on the desktop?
[21:44] <systemclient> Daskreech: pretty much
[21:44] <systemclient> Daskreech: it is tail -f ~/log/*
[21:44] <Daskreech> systemclient: I remember there was some konsole plasmoid for that. Did you check kde-look.org ?
[21:44] <systemclient> Daskreech: I saw a konsole plasmoid, but I fear that I have to enter that command on every single system start
[21:46] <systemclient> littlegirl: it says input source CD, that does not really sound right?
[21:46] <systemclient> littlegirl: and btw … why do you have a purple theme?
[21:46] <littlegirl> My choices are Front mic, Line, Mic, CD, and Mix, and I tried each of them one by one.
[21:47] <littlegirl> systemclient: I love the colors. (:
[21:47] <littlegirl> I forgot to mention that my result is that I get no sound at all, although a wav file is created.
[21:47] <systemclient> littlegirl: try using alsamixer in the terminal … I sometimes have cases where there is a hidden volume control
[21:47] <James147> littlegirl: ^^ you might want to upgrade 8.04 has passed its end of life
[21:48] <littlegirl> James147: Whoops, it's 10.04 - sorry about that!
[21:49] <littlegirl> Also, the iec968 Playback source choices are: PCM, ADC1, ADC2, ADC3.
[21:50] <U236Willy> Well all of a sudden it finished and updated... so huzzah.
[21:50] <James147> systemclient: I remember there being a filewatch widget ^^
[21:51] <systemclient> James147: true, but I want to watch multiple files :-/
[21:51] <James147> multiple widgets? or modify the current one :)
[21:52] <Daskreech> U236Willy: Huzzah!
[21:52] <systemclient> James147: there are countless files
[21:54] <James147> systemclient: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/tail?content=11806
[21:55] <James147> 7
[21:55] <James147> ^^ :)
[21:55] <James147> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/tail?content=118067    :)
[21:55] <James147> may or may not work
[21:55] <James147> with multiple files that is
[21:56] <James147> actually no... it says it cannot
[21:56] <systemclient> I think I just created a nice situation |
[21:56] <Tinman> Hi eveyone
[21:56] <systemclient> but isn't that a geeky thing to do?
[21:56]  * Tinman is back.
[21:57]  * Daskreech watches an amusing battle between virtuoso-t and choqok
[21:57] <systemclient> I mean terminal output is linux … kinda … you know what I mean?
[21:57] <Daskreech> one is taking 108% of my CPU the other is taking 116%
[21:57] <systemclient> Daskreech: what are those?
[21:57] <James147> Daskreech: haha
[21:57] <systemclient> Daskreech: quadcore?
[21:57] <Daskreech> sexta
[21:57] <systemclient> hexa :)
[21:57] <James147> Daskreech: virtuoso-t here is useing 2% and been about that for the past few hours
[21:58] <James147> (indexing a few hundered gigs from a clean index that is)
[21:58] <James147> though its memory usage has more then doubled :S
[21:58] <systemclient> I got rsync hogging some 30% and the then some lukscrypt takes some 50%
[21:59] <Daskreech> systemclient: depends on if you are greek or roman I guess :)
[21:59] <systemclient> Daskreech: definitly greek in that sense
[21:59] <systemclient> Daskreech: ever looked at roman numerals? I can't stand them
[21:59] <systemclient> Daskreech: greek letters are fine with me though
[21:59] <Daskreech> why compare letters with numbers?
[22:00] <hunger__> hey, if anyone's around, any idea if k3b can burn a cue sheet with an MP3 file?, googled around a bit seems to be a common problem, on another note i thought i had done this before also (using ubuntu latest version with libk3b6-extracodecs installed) TIA
[22:00] <systemclient> Daskreech: If I say I do not like the romans for their numbers, somebody will say "but you use their letters every day -- ever looked at greek letter?"
[22:00] <James147> Daskreech: have you seen modern math?
[22:00] <systemclient> James147: I think multiplication with arabic is easier than addition with roman …
[22:01] <systemclient> James147: and what is modern math? Calc? Algebra?
[22:06] <U236Willy> hunger__: are you asking can you point k3b to a cue sheet and have it burn the mp3 files? or are you looking for a tool that would create cuesheets and split an mp3 by a cue sheet
[22:08] <U236Willy> for the former... I'm not so sure... for the latter... I say check out the package 'cuetools'
[22:09] <hunger__> u236 the former, i thought i had done it before with k3b but i'm beginning to think i didn't lol...
[22:32] <skierpage> When I insert CDs into either of my CD-ROMs, Solid sets StorageVolume.ignored = true , so I don't get any Device Actions for them. Any ideas how to change this?
[22:33] <skierpage> I have inserted my hard drive into a new PC, so maybe I have to tell Solid to rescan hardware or forget some settings or even recreate some /dev entry ... ?
[22:41] <skierpage> No matter what link I follow on solid.kde.org, I see the home page.  E.g. http://solid.kde.org/cms/1072
[22:58] <asdqq> Hi, when will Firefox 6 be available in the repo?
[23:12] <Daskreech> asdqq: for the main repos in 11.04 it probably won't be available
[23:14] <asdqq> Daskreech: I thought that canonical would keep updating Firefox and Chrome in the stable release.
[23:15] <Daskreech> asdqq: No they are stable
[23:16] <asdqq> Daskreech: They are not stable?  Right now there is only Firefox 6 in the PPA for older version of Ubuntu. https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[23:16] <Daskreech> if they keep changing then they are not stable :)
[23:16] <Daskreech> That's a PPA. That can do whatever it wants
[23:16] <asdqq> Daskreech: I mean in the current stabe Ubuntu version.
[23:16] <asdqq> and the latest stable Firefox version
[23:17] <Daskreech> Sure there will be a PPA for it
[23:19] <asdqq> Daskreech: I think my english is to bad hehe. Take a look to the current 11.04 version, It came with Firefox 4, but now it is in version 5 in the main repo.
[23:19] <asdqq> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=firefox
[23:20] <Daskreech> asdqq: I think that's because it came out within a time period soon enough for them to make an exception.
[23:21] <Daskreech> There are certain applications that if a new version is shipping say within a month after Ubuntu ships they will make an exception before Ubuntu releases that the application will be updated
[23:21] <Daskreech> I don't know what the policy is with all applications but for example Chromium releases about every 3-6 weeks and it's kept in a PPA for people who want to be up todate
[23:22] <Daskreech> They may make a permanent exception for Firefox since it's considered a main application for Ubuntu but for the most part a stable repo is to be stable
[23:22] <asdqq> Daskreech: that is maybe the reason... nah, I only want FF 6, but with KDE integration, that is why I'm waiting for the package.
[23:23] <Daskreech> asdqq: there will probably be a ppa for it. As for the KDE integration you could ask in #kubuntu-devel but I fear that may be pretty low on the list of things they care about right now
[23:24] <asdqq> Daskreech: I think they will put the integration, the versions for 10.04 and 10.10 had it.
[23:24] <Daskreech> if they have the packages then they will probably do it
[23:29] <asdqq> Daskreech:  Ah, it is in the Ubuntu Mozilla Security PPA since 4 days... ( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa ), I was searching in the Mozilla Team PPA ( https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable )
[23:48] <U236Willy> too bad Hungry__ didn't idle... It seems that the latest k3b does allow you to click on a .cue file and it loads the splits into an AudioCD project.
[23:49] <U236Willy> i'll burn the disk and see how it turns out.
[23:54] <Daskreech> U236Willy: K3b is constantly amazing
[23:54] <Daskreech>  I think it was the first burning software to support bluray burning
[23:58] <sythe> Cool