[02:12] I'd like to try out oneiric on a separate partition, but I have trouble since I use an encrypted LVM: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+question/165563 Help appreciated. [04:03] !info linux [04:03] linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.0.8.9 (oneiric), package size 1 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 all armel powerpc) [04:37] Alpha 3 distribution upgrade is always crashing and failing. What can I do? I can't get it to update at all. [04:40] brsbner: it's difficult to know what exactly is going wrong with your setup...you could try a clean install [04:43] brsbner: look for files in /var/crash and use ubuntu-bug or apport on those files to report the crashes [04:43] I just installed this... [04:43] It -is- a clean install. [04:44] Laibsch: no relevant crash files there :/ [04:44] brsbner: run "ls -l /var/crash | pastebinit" on the command line. You may need to install pastebinit first [04:44] I see [04:44] brsbner, have you tried the 2d session? [04:45] I am on it because 3D refuses to start anymore, crashes crashes and crashes at login. [04:45] (and I didn't even manage to install any drivers or such yet, just rebooted once) [04:45] Can't report the bug either, packages haven't been updated yet - and I can't do that, because distribution upgrade crashes after taking half an hour to compute [04:46] brsbner, Laibsch' options may be a good start. [04:46] There are no relevant crash files relating to apt in there [04:46] brsbner, did you get the daily to install with? [04:46] I installed alpha 3. [04:47] Not the daily unfortunatly. Got it off ubuntu.com/testing as the bug report told me to try. [04:47] *unfortunately [04:47] brsbner,I always install from the daily release you can rsync it as well. [04:47] brsbner: are there any crash files? Does a live CD crash as well? How did you install? [04:48] Yeah, there is a compiz, jockey crash report (from when 3D session was failing right at the start), empathy-auth-client crash (from when I was trying to add an account) and a unity 2d launcher crash (just did that out of the blue) [04:48] I just installed from the live cd, didn't test [04:48] Installed via USB which was made with the USB creator from 11.04 [04:48] OK [04:49] report the crashes against the files that are there [04:49] do you absolutely need oneiric? [04:49] Nope, but an old bug report relating to an app got closed and the comment said to test if it's here as well. So I decided to give it a go [04:49] hmpf [04:50] bug number? [04:50] that's nonsense, any supported version should be OK [04:50] some bug triagers are all too eager [04:50] let me know the bug number and I'll have a look. [04:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/576638 [04:50] Ubuntu bug 576638 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) "Default spanish setting no longer works" [Low,Incomplete] [04:50] thanks [04:51] it's not closed! [04:51] it says incomplete up there [04:51] Well that's closed to me heh [04:51] well, the dictionary is no longer installed by default so that's partially "fixed" [04:51] nope [04:52] incomplete is asking for further information [04:52] and he is not asking you to INSTALL oneiric, he is asking you to run the live CD [04:52] yes after 3 years :) [04:52] so what? [04:52] -> nobody will ever bother to take a look at it [04:52] we are all volunteers [04:53] you can get a paid support contract with canonical or anybody else if you are not prepared to wait ;-) [04:53] brsbner: you have to agree that this bug is not relevant to 99% of the people out there [04:53] I did a service by reporting a quality problem, I can not file it next time [04:53] more important bugs linger just as long [04:54] Yeah like alpha3 crashing all over and being unpgradable :) [04:54] I know you did a service, but you are also on the demanding side here, demanding your report be dealt in time-frame X [04:54] I've never said that. [04:54] (12:52:41) brsbner: yes after 3 years :) [04:54] So point out the time frame I mentioned please :) I just said it's a dead end [04:54] No [04:54] I said nobody looked at it for 3 years [04:54] brsbner: do you want to have a serious discussion and fix problems? [04:55] I didn't say get it fixed within 3 years! [04:55] Yes sure, how can I do updates? [04:55] My suggestion, do as Pedro told you, run the live CD, reproduce the problem, report back and otherwise do not bother with oneiric (unless you want to help get those problems fixed) [04:55] brsbner: at any rate, I can confirm that it still doesn't work [04:56] jbicha: OK, can you please make that comment in the tracker [04:56] OK thanks jbicha [04:56] however, it is no longer installed by default [04:56] Laibsch: yes, just a moment [04:56] cool [04:56] if it's no longer installed by default, then I guess it's a lower priority, but it's already set to low which I think is OK. [04:57] the problem itself is still valid even in a non-default package [04:57] of course [04:57] brsbner: do you want to run oneiric and fix the crashes or rather not bother with it? [04:57] fix the crashes = report them ;-) [04:58] Ideally I'd like to continue the QA testing [04:58] sure [04:58] next step is then to run apport against the crasher files you already have [04:59] BTW, I am not running oneiric, but I have a ticket that I'd like somebody to confirm or disconfirm as being present in oneiric: bug 379382. jbicha? ;-) [04:59] Launchpad bug 379382 in gnome-utils "gnome-screenshot (Alt-Printscreen) black/blanks out top of windows in multi monitor xinerama" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379382 [05:00] "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package" What do I do now, I have not installed any extra packages yet. [05:00] Laibsch: I am only using 1 monitor these days... [05:00] brsbner: are you running very new or very old or otherwise unusual hardware? necessity for proprietary drivers? [05:00] I'm on a system76 machine which is 2-3 years old [05:00] brsbner: that's strange [05:01] what is system76? [05:01] brsbner: that error message is a bit misleading [05:01] So no, nothing unusual, everthing is Ubuntu compatible. [05:01] excuse my ignorance [05:01] A Ubuntu-only computer provider? [05:01] I think it also shows up if you have an old version of a package or if your local repository cache is out of date [05:01] jbicha: I see [05:01] brsbner: how are you trying to update by the way? [05:01] * Laibsch suggests aptitude [05:01] via the update manager [05:02] cli rules [05:02] What is the syntax for that> [05:02] "sudo aptitude" [05:02] sudo apt-get update [05:02] ;-) [05:02] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [05:02] aptitude isn't installed by default & apt-get does ok too [05:02] OK [05:02] * Laibsch is an aptitude guy [05:03] Thanks for the tip. It seems to have skipped the troublesome calculating phase. [05:08] somebody around whose main system is not oneiric and on an encrypted LVM? I want to add a partition for ubuntu+1, but fail to boot it: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+question/165563 [05:09] fail to boot it? [05:11] Laibsch, have you run the bootscript to look at the whoje setup? [05:11] nope. what bootscript? [05:11] Have you visited the URL to see what I did? [05:11] http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/ [05:11] yes [05:12] that is why i ask [05:12] the lvm is grub-legacy? [05:13] sorry lucid grub2 [05:13] yes, grub2 from lucid [05:14] I'm starting to wonder if the natty/oneiric partition for boot would also need to be outside the encrypted LVM container [05:15] Laibsch: could be, Fedora still uses grub-legacy [05:15] generally it is in the mbr unless you have built a partition, of course there are grub files in the OS as well. [05:16] lucid [05:16] can someone explain to me what the package colord is for? [05:16] -!info colord doesn't clear it up [05:16] IdleOne, http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/ [05:16] IdleOne: I suppose your real question is "why is that package installed"? [05:17] "aptitude why colord" will tell you [05:17] Laibsch: really two questions. 1- What is it for and 2- why does it want to install [05:18] urlin2u: thanks for the link, reading now [05:19] Laibsch, oneiric was your last install is this correct? [05:20] urlin2u: no. My main system is lucid. IIRC I installed it from scratch with the installer CD. I want to add one partition to the LVM holding a playground for ubuntu+1. Currently it contains a debootstrapped natty. [05:21] ahh I see. [05:21] hmm I don't imagine myself ever needing to use colord but may as well install it. [05:23] urlin2u: http://paste.debian.net/126356/ is the result of the bootinfo script [05:25] Laibsch, the debootstrap is booting the ISO, or a install sorry for tthe dumb question. [05:25] colord is basically mandatory with GNOME 3.2 anyway [05:27] urlin2u: "mount /dev/mapper/1001P-natty64 /tmp/somewhere && cd /tmp/somewhere && debootstrap natty", something of that nature [05:27] a couple of sudos and mounts randomly thrown in [05:28] Laibsch, boy I'm not sure with this I have a link for ISO's in a partition is about it. [05:28] IdleOne: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/ [05:29] jbicha: thanks, urlin2u already gave me that link :) [05:29] urlin2u: what version of grub? And how do you boot the ISO? AFAIK that is something only recent grub can do, plus you need hybrid ISOs which I think Ubuntu only got recently. [05:29] Laibsch, grub2 here it is it may be helpful you never know. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=189a8642fb8f02dcd9a9e4fea21ce534&t=1549847 [05:30] urlin2u: but what version of grub2? [05:30] regualr iso [05:30] you can boot a hardy ISO with that? [05:30] let me have a look at that link [05:31] Laibsch, I know what your referring to as far as Natty grub2 1.99 setup, the thread is kept up to date the first post by the thread starter will have the updated info. [05:31] urlin2u: that ISO is on an unencrypted partition, though, isn't it? [05:31] well, my grub is from lucid. [05:32] I believe so but it is running of the grub in the OS and mbr. [05:32] the complication in my case is that grub/initramfs need to unencrypt the partition [05:33] that may be the problem, that mod the thread starter is about the best I have seen they maitain with others the grub2 wiki's the forum may help. [07:42] hello [07:43] i want to go to 1110 64 bit from 1104 32 bit how so [07:43] also i need to make space on my disc but out of ideas [07:44] not possible Ubuntu1104User [07:44] You can't change from 32-bit to 64-bit without reinstalling Ubuntu. If you're going from 11.04 to 11.10 anyway, easiest thing to do would be getting an 11.10 daily or milestone ISO. [07:51] but i dont have cd or usb [07:51] someone stole my usb [07:51] it was really cool too [07:51] Too bad. We're not miracle workers :) [07:52] yea right lier [07:53] Ubuntu1104User: if you had an extra partition, you could install boot from an ISO stored to your hard drive [07:53] but you're on your own for that endeavour [07:54] Ubuntu1104User: As two different channels have now told you, there is no supported method for doing 32-bit to 64-bit sidegrades. I'd appreciate it if you kept comments like "lier" to yourself. [08:00] will 11.10 have notafaction applets and indecator applets? [08:04] philipballew: yes, they are part of Unity [08:05] but they are not in 11.04 that i can find [08:05] * philipballew wants banshee to be there and also have cpu monitor [08:06] what do you mean they're not in 11.04? [08:06] philipballew: missed cpu monitor too. [08:06] jbicha: have not found one for Kubuntu [08:06] * jussi thinks philipballew should go to sleep :P [08:07] jbicha: xsensors is not quite as nice as kima, for example. [08:07] Lynoure: theres a cpu monitor plasmoid for kde last time I checked [08:07] oh, cpu monitoring is different, I believe someone built an indicator for it though [08:07] jbicha, well with unity all i have is my wifi sound and battery but in 10.10 i had cpu monitoe. caps lock indactor and a banshee notifaction [08:07] jussi: does it do other sensors too? (I'm not on my 11.10 right now) [08:08] is anyone using google contacts in evolution? are they working for you in oneiric? [08:09] Lynoure: there are 2. Bubble mon, which does a whole load of stuff, temp, battery etc, and cpumon which does only cpu [08:09] guess no-body knows what i mean [08:10] oh well [08:14] jussi: ok, good to know. Did not find them in apt-cache searches [08:14] Lynoure: thought theuy came by default. [08:16] jussi: maybe, I mostly searched for sensors, not monitors. :) [08:30] the screen brightness sliders are missing , any alternative ? [08:31] Lynoure: in unity you are going to want to look for "indicators" [08:31] iirc, since jussi turned me on to KDE I <3 Kubuntu [08:32] IdleOne: I'm not sure what "unity" is. Was under impression that it would be something with/for Gnome [08:33] Unity is what the default GUI is called now [08:33] IdleOne: also the KDE GUI? [08:33] Lynoure: no, just in Ubuntu [08:33] how do i increase lcd backlight [08:33] anyone running oneiric try alt-tab for me please? i'm getting 2 switchers right now when i do it [08:33] form command line [08:33] omnion all ok here [08:34] IdleOne: oh, then no wonder I was not clear on the term, I'm on Kubuntu myself. Trying not to spread myself over different desktop environments [08:34] Lynoure: then you want plasma widgets I believe they are called [08:35] right click on the panel or desktop and click widgets, you may need to unlock them first [08:36] IdleOne: yes, I know where they are, and jussi gave me names [08:36] ah, that will teach me not to read the full scroll back [08:36] :) [08:37] IdleOne: it happens. Thank you for your helpfulness (I kind of think I remember seeing you here and on other buntu channels way back when I was more active) [08:37] yeah, I'm like old furniture you don't want but can't throw out [08:40] IdleOne: maybe we can sell you to a good home eventually =) [08:40] hehe [08:40] maybe [08:46] * jussi puts IdleOne in the sheep pen for the sheep to sleep on :D [08:47] I've become a blanket for animals made of blanket [08:48] What does that even mean? [08:49] sheep make wool, wool blanket [08:49] But your not a sheep, so "I've become a blanket for animals" doesn't make sense... unless you are made out of wool... [08:51] Not to change this amazing conversation or anything, but I have a question about 11.10... Namely, will it have a login as guest from GDM? [09:17] Hi! is there a way to disable utouch? [09:20] triunity: from lightdm you mean? [09:21] jbicha: I mean Oracle VM VirtualBox [09:21] Ohh sorry wrong convo [09:22] From the new login manager, yes [09:22] triunity: lightdm is default now instead of gdm, & I believe the guest button works but I haven't tried it [09:23] The other question is this. One of my clients is a school district, and through some tinkering, I created a "guest login" that's name is student. So the students click the "Student" Account, and it creates a guest session. Do you know if the "guest login" name can be changed to "Student Login" [09:25] triunity: it might be hard-coded which would require recompiling, alternately you might be able to use gdm instead [09:25] Hmm... Nothin' i hate more than recompilin'... Call me lazy but its not really my thing... [09:26] I forsee that I will be using a test box for a while before i let the school district upgrade... [09:27] Do you have an alpha release of 11.10? [09:27] The question may end up being this, if i can disable the guest login button, and then create a student account that actually creates a guest session... that might work.. [09:28] In Users and Groups, is there a way to remove the guest login button? [09:46] triunity: sorry, I don't know details of how the guest login works [09:47] Its ok! [09:47] I have a funny feeling I am going to get very knowlable on the subject in 53 days... [10:47] where may i find the 11.04 roll to 11.10 Alpha commands ? [10:48] I have not rolled into unstable before. [10:55] do-dist-upgrade -d [11:14] hello, my oneiric installation only offers me "unity" and "unity 2d" sessions, how can I get regular gnome? [11:15] you can't [11:16] hmm... a friend showed me that he got gnome 3.0 on natty via ppa, but these were somewhat broken. do ppas with g3 exist for oneiric and are they usable? [11:16] hmm [11:16] you can IdleOne , no? [11:16] there's gnome-shell [11:18] Janisozaur, Ubuntu Classic should be on the list [11:18] gnome-shell is not classic gnome [11:18] triunity, well, it isn't [11:18] and classic won't be in 11.10 afaik [11:18] triunity: only when you're upgraded from 11.04 [11:19] Ian_Corne, does that mean, once 11.10 is up, we can't have a normal desktop???? only that crappy unity garbage?? [11:19] Ian_Corne, I did upgrade from 11.04 and I have no "classic" [11:20] hmm, i still have it [11:20] mind that because it's there doesn't mean it works [11:20] I think alot of dependencies break [11:22] Man, this sucks... I've used ubuntu for 4 years now... I think for the first time, i am going to have to switch, I hate unity sooo much. But at least Classic allowed me to keep using it.... [11:24] triunity: there is always Kubuntu or Xubuntu or Lubuntu or..... [11:25] Idle, i heart me some gnome... kde xfce aren't my taste [11:25] But actually, i can install ubuntu server, then install xserver + gnome3 [11:25] It should work, right? [11:25] and install gdm [11:28] triunity, gnome3 isn't quite as nice as gnome2 [11:28] If I have to choose, I might be more keen to use unity than g3, unless there is a way to restore the g2-default two panel layout [11:29] Well, even if i install xserver + gnome2 + gmd, it would work, ehh? [11:31] triunity, for some time, yes. but as Ian_Corne mentioned, dependencies will break, etc. [11:32] Ian_Corne. Ok it worked great. thanks [11:33] huh? [11:33] ah :) [11:33] good to hear [11:34] Man, I see the end of my days with ubuntu comming... The only problem is, I run the IT for a school district, and that means, i am going to have to change 200+ computers from ubuntu to another os, once 11.04 dies completely [11:34] I've got 100 computers [11:34] we're just on 10.04 [11:34] using ppa's where needed [11:34] LTS does make sense, ehh? [11:35] 12.04 will be fine to use [11:35] but if they are dropping gnome now, you know that by 12.04 they will have completely removed any trace of it... [11:36] yes [11:36] triunity: why not save yourself the trouble and start getting used to Unity now. [11:36] and why is change bad? [11:37] by the time you need to upgrade you will be able to use and trouble shoot any problems. [11:37] I used UNR (ubuntu netbook remix) and that was unity, and i HATED it. Not to mention, when i sit clients down, they 100% prefer the look and feel of gnome over unity [11:37] i've been using unity for a few months now [11:37] gnome2 is going EOL sooner or later [11:37] you never get used to it [11:37] And i have asked them, 2 computers side by side, and they all said gnome2 felt more natural [11:37] it sucks === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:37] Thanks for support ali1234 [11:38] Can somebody please verify whether or not bug 379382 also occurs in oneiric? [11:38] well, what you're used to always feels more natural [11:38] Launchpad bug 379382 in gnome-utils "gnome-screenshot (Alt-Printscreen) black/blanks out top of windows in multi monitor xinerama" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/379382 [11:38] well, I switched to kubuntu and love it [11:38] and also i can't troubleshoot or test for bugs because of the gtk3 dependencies in the latest version [11:38] yofel, these are windows users, never used linux in there life, and gnome was more natural [11:39] triunity: that I agree with, but we're not windows. Why not try Xfce? [11:39] or lxde [11:39] triunity: they should feel right at home with KDE [11:39] KDE at least won't do any major UI rewrite in the near future [11:39] Used xfce, didn't like it either... remember, i deal with windows users all day, and the less windows it feels the more i hear about it... [11:40] I don't like the file manager and internet browser being joined in KDE... but other than that its not horrable [11:40] you mean like it is in windows? [11:40] triunity: then use KDE and change single click opening into double click, then they should be fine [11:41] triunity: and nothing stops you from using firefox in KDE [11:41] or chromium [11:41] Yofel, i may look into that. Or better, change there file manager out completely, replace it with Naudilus (or however you spell it), then install firefox. Good as new ;) [11:41] And of course the one click thing ;) [11:42] triunity: what's so bad about dolphin? And if you're changing it try konqueror first [11:43] Dolphin, if i recall its file manager + internet browser, correct? And I know for a fact that would confuse they user base ( 4000 14 - 18 year olds) [11:43] confuse the user base** [11:43] no, konqueror was the old file manager + browser, dolphin is only a file manager [11:45] Ohh, maybe i am confused. Either way, i want file manager to be seperate from browser. Question does kde have a guest session? [11:45] not sure, although I think not (I don't know how that's implemented in ubuntu) [11:48] guest session is in ubuntu, and required. The students login to a highly modifed guest session in all the computer labs. (as so they can't break anything( [12:00] Howdy all [12:00] one of the big problems with KDE (besides the way it looks) is the way it handles file types. since all KDE apps use the same widget collections you never know where a file is going to end up. [12:00] it used to be really bad with konqueror where you could click on just about any file and conqueror would always open it in a tab, embedding a text editor or an image viewer (and therefore having different menus and keyboard shortcuts) [12:01] widget collections? [12:01] yes [12:01] eg a default install of KDEhas about 3 different text editors [12:01] but they all use the same text edit widget [12:01] they all have an identical UI layout [12:02] they all use the same KDE widgets, and they all share the same bugs [12:03] I like the way kde looks ...it isn't cartooney like gnome ,,,and what text edit bugs ? [12:05] the way it handles temp files for one [12:06] example: you are editing some code, and you need to refer to some source file on the web [12:06] so you click on it in konq - and the plain text file was opened ina new tab in konq, as a temp file [12:06] I keep getting a keyring dialog asking for my pw once the desktop loads , I'm supposed have pw-less logins. guess I'll have to include it i sudoers [12:06] but you could still edit it [12:06] and it didn't warn you or anything [12:07] code ? what's that :) [12:07] and then you switch back to the code editor... and then you can't find the other text file again, because konq has a zillion tabs because it opens everything in a tab [12:07] and the same problem with images [12:08] and pretty much any file you might find online [12:08] since everything is a widget in KDE, konq can open anything [12:09] but it just ends up confusing and you can't find anything if you have a few different windows open since the task bar ends up as [konq] [konq] [konq] etc [12:09] well, s/widget/kpart/ - as long as there's a kpart that can do something konq can embed it [12:09] i assume this is why they started over with dolphin [12:09] in this case the kate kpart [12:09] yofel: yes, kparts... whatever you call them... they are just widgets [12:10] so? Like that every KDE application that needs a text editor (kate, kdevelop, kile, ...) have the same editor settings [12:10] yes, to the point where you can't have different settings in different apps [12:11] because the config is done for the widget, and then everything uses it [12:11] so you can't have syntax highlighting and line numbers on in one editor and of in other [12:11] at least you couldn't in KDE 3.x [12:12] and if you don't like how the editor works in kedit... don't even bother looking at the others, because they are all the same [12:12] hm, not sure if you can now, konsole has profiles for that, but I'm not sure about kate [12:13] i actually thought KDE 4 was a huge improvement [12:13] but i didn't use it for long enough to see if these things have been fixed [12:13] because they still haven't fixed the font rendering [12:13] and that is the first thing you notice [12:14] the ease of reusing kparts also means that every single program ends up looking like this, until you configure it: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/kdefail2.png [12:15] but this is a place where there is no global config... you have to turn all the panels and toolbars off in every individual app [12:15] Heyy just for an FYI, you can use ubuntu classic in 11.10, you just have to install it, its called somethin' like ubuntu-gnome-fallback [12:16] triunity: yes, and i doubt that will be removed from the archive any time soon [12:16] it just isn't on the CD any more [12:16] how do i emulate a keypress event on ubuntu [12:16] ??? [12:17] dsathe: xdotool [12:18] then run a command like: xdotool key -clearmodifiers alt+F1 [12:18] or whatever... [12:18] ali, i don't need it on the cd, i just need it somewhere. As long as i can install it, as part of my setup script, its ok ;) [12:20] dsathe, just as an fyi, that would be more of an #ubuntu question, not #ubuntu+1 question [12:21] thanks [12:21] triunity: need to emulate XF86KbdBrightnessUp [12:22] lol wut? [12:22] is that allowed [12:22] brightness press [12:22] Is that an fn key? [12:22] Ohh ok [12:22] liquid damaged my key :D [12:22] ekk sorry to hear [12:22] Yes is is possable, but i'd have to find the key... [12:23] mind sticking around for a minute, while i poke around my system [12:24] sure [12:25] i am ol most day :P [12:25] Hey i accidently did a screen clear, what key did you need? [12:26] YOu know, the other option would be just change the key set. System --> Preferences --> Keyboard shortcuts, change screen brightness to ALT- (whatever) [12:26] XF86KbdBrightnessUp [12:28] problem is gnome 3 [12:28] sliders disappeared [12:29] For your problem you could try: http://www.ubuntuka.com/ubuntu-command-line-tricks-set-1/ [12:29] Jockey died at me upon offering some non-free drivers, what's the right way to restart it (clicking on the restart button did seemingly nothing)? [12:29] echo 100 > /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness [12:29] (in kde, if it matters) [12:30] tried [12:30] cat: /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCD/brightness: No such file or directory [12:30] if i dont have it [12:30] will it still do the tirck ? [12:32] what happend to gnome 3 brightness control sliders ??? [12:32] I can't say about the brightness sliders, as i use a desktop [12:32] kk [12:33] Lynoure, you could drop to a tty and do jockey-text -a [12:34] Ok, i got one for you: [12:34] gconf-editor [12:34] and go to apps/gnome-power-manager/backlight [12:34] brightness_ac and brightness_dim_battery [12:37] aha [12:37] Works? [12:38] trying [12:38] *crosses fingers* [12:38] gconf not have power [12:38] lemme try dconf [12:39] are you on ubuntu or kubuntu? [12:40] ubuntu 11.10 [12:41] Im running ubuntu 11.04 and gconf-editor has it, maybe 11.10 hasn't implemented it yet... [12:41] yeah [12:41] exactly [12:41] no gnome 3 migrated to dconf [12:41] i had it all well timm now [12:41] now is the trouble [12:42] like 3-4 days ago it came in [12:44] Hrm... tricky stuff [12:44] Obviously this is why alpha releases are not used for production... [12:44] haha yeah [12:46]