=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === asac_ is now known as asac === Arcademan is now known as Arcademan` === Arcademan` is now known as iArcade === iArcade is now known as Arcademan [04:40] Good morning [04:41] pitti: howdy [04:41] Morning pitti. [04:44] Morning pitti [05:05] how do you determine how much space a package takes on the CD? [05:08] Voodoo. I think the compressed .deb size is a reasonable estimate, though. [05:08] jbicha: apt-cache show | grep ^Size: [05:08] unless the package uses bzip2 or lzma compression, it's fairly precise [05:09] as the squashfs is gzipped [05:09] xz time! [05:09] are our gnome packages bzipped or still actually gzipped? [05:09] Teh archive supports it! [05:11] well I believe I found you an extra 1MB [05:11] we don't need to ship gnome-user-guide and ubuntu-docs [05:26] Ah. I see libegl has already slipped from the cds. Sad, that'd be easily enough to take them back undersize. [05:26] jbicha: The binary gnome packages are gzipped afaik. [05:27] pitti: Good morning, Martin! Hope you feel better today. [05:28] Believe it or not, but I finally fixed the use of g_spawn_sync() in the accountsservice MP. :) [05:28] hey GunnarHj [05:28] thanks, slightly better [05:29] I saw, great job! so we just need to fix the glib linking then? [05:29] pitti: Uhmm.. What do you mean by that? [05:30] GunnarHj: I thought I read that you need to add an -l option or so [05:31] pitti: Aha, that's my personal problem when compiling through away scripts localy. [05:31] ah [05:31] GunnarHj: for test scripts you usually build them with [05:31] gcc `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0` `pkg-config --libs glib-2.0` test.c [05:32] pitti: That works in Natty, but not in Oneiric. [05:32] uh, do you have a reproducer for this? [05:33] thousands of packages use glib, and use pkg-config to link against it [05:34] RAOF: do you have some time to triage bug 823576? [05:34] Launchpad bug 823576 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Inspiron 1122/M102z] External video severely corruped (as is primary display) " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823576 [05:34] pitti: No, but guess I can fix one. Let's say I provide something by tomorrow. [05:35] RAOF: judging by the screenshots it might also be a compiz issue, but I'm not entirely sure how to test the ATI driver with 3D without compiz -- ask them to use unity 2d and play planetpenguinracer? [05:39] pitti: Would be great if you could push the button today for accountsservice and l-s. Then I can proceed with talking to Rodrigo and somebody accountsservice-upstream. [05:40] robert_ancell: Is there any way that I can get orca et al to be launched when lightdm comes up and accessibility is enabled? [05:40] TheMuso, not currently [05:40] Ok. [05:40] pitti: Already on my bug list, after (a) not reproducing bug #824099, but (b) managing to get myself into a situation where none of my outputs would turn back on. :) [05:40] Launchpad bug 824099 in compiz "[~30 systems] Plugging in external monitor to VGA port makes both displays corrupted with thick slanted lines" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824099 [05:41] RAOF: ah, that might actually be a dupe? [05:41] pitti: Yeah, I think it might be. [05:41] Oh, no; the screenshot is different. [05:42] But, again, my bet is compiz [05:51] GunnarHj: ah, perhaps your problems with g_spawn_sync() are due to the missing terminating NULL in command? [05:53] (adding now) [05:54] GunnarHj: also, I don't understand why you validate command[0], and why you don't call it with full path [05:54] GunnarHj: you call "set-language-helper" and use cwd==LANGTOOLSDIR, but "." isn't in $PATH [05:54] Now, where are those kernel patches that might make it possible for me to turn on both my lvds and hdmi… [05:55] pitti: Had no problem with a missing NULL when testing. [05:55] GunnarHj: do you just want me to fix that up, or discuss about it? [05:55] GunnarHj: ah, ignore the "validate command[0]", you don't do that [05:55] pitti: I don't mind if you fix it. [05:55] pitti: right (about command[0]) [05:56] pitti: Not full path because of the first argument. [05:56] pitti: ...which sets the current directory [05:56] GunnarHj: right, I just wonder how that can work [05:57] pitti: :) it does, believe me. [05:58] that sounds like a serious bug in glib.. [05:58] * pitti checks this out [05:58] pitti: Feel free to change to full path and drop the first argument, if you think that's safer. [05:59] I will, but I'll build the current version first to see how that could work in the first plac3e [05:59] "place" [06:01] pitti: Maybe glib constructs a full path internally by concatenating them? [06:01] that would be the "serious bug in glib" thing I was aiming at, yes [06:01] it shouldn't just assume that "." is in $PATH [06:01] s/assume/work like/ [06:02] pitti: I'm beginning to see you point. [06:04] hm, it doesn't actually change .profile here [06:06] it indeed works, though [06:06] WTH [06:07] I'll still call it with full path to be safe, but I'll report this against glib [06:07] pitti: Ok. [06:08] But if it doesn't change .profile (it does for me) there is something strange... [06:08] it does, I just called SetLanguage() with "de_AT.UTF-8" [06:08] and it didn't change settings then [06:09] but when I call it with "en", it works [06:09] pitti: Actually, it should accept a full locale name - and correct it to a language. [06:10] it seems to do that, yes [06:10] but I had de_DE.UTF-8 before, and setting de_AT.UTF-8 wouldn't actually change the language part [06:11] pitti: Ok, but that's how it should be, since there is no Austrian translation available. :) [06:11] correct [06:11] if I call it with "ru" and then with "de", I get [06:11] export LANGUAGE="de:ru:en" [06:11] that's a little strange [06:11] I had expected just "de:en" [06:12] the LC_* bits are correct, though [06:12] accountsservice uploaded (with the NULL and path fix) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:20] pitti: Great! As regards the model for updating LANGUAGE, the thought (all since this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/553162/comments/27) is to change the previous list as little as possible. [06:20] Ubuntu bug 553162 in gdm "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing" [High,Fix released] [06:21] pitti: First changing to ru and then, instantly, to de is probably not a common use case. ;-) [06:27] GunnarHj: posted as gnome bug 656621 [06:27] Gnome bug 656621 in general "g_spawn_*() calls executables in current directory without G_SPAWN_SEARCH_PATH" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656621 [06:30] pitti: Interesting, just added me to the CC list. [06:31] anyway, now off to the l-s MP [06:44] GunnarHj: l-s merged/uploaded, thanks! nice cleanup [06:45] pitti: Thanks! [07:16] moin! [07:17] hey Sweetshark, how are you? [07:17] pitti: feeling better? [07:17] slightly, thanks [07:17] pitti: ubuflu? [07:18] pitti: Im fine ;) [07:18] pitti: https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-oneirictest-20110718/+packages [07:18] g morning [07:18] mvo, please let me know if you want me to rework the packagekit merge proposal [07:19] Sweetshark: ooh, ready to go now? [07:19] Sweetshark: I'm afraid this now needs a FFE [07:31] pitti: I've got a merge proposal for bug 819158 [07:31] Launchpad bug 819158 in yelp "Patch yelp for new documentation homepage" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819158 [07:34] alex3f: good morning! I will have a look in a tiny bit [07:35] jbicha: oh, nice! [07:40] pitti: and then I believe we should be able to just sync gnome-user-docs from Debian for those who want it [07:43] jbicha: this seems to go a little back and forth then [07:44] originally we kept the ubntu specific stuff in ubuntu-docs, and then that got dropped and the unity docs added to gnome-user-docs [07:44] so that gets switched back now? [07:46] pitti: yes, that's what it looks like we're doing, having a different desktop environment means we diverge a fair bit [07:46] and there's some people who prefer just running Gnome Shell so they should have help for that environment if it's available [07:46] agreed [07:47] jbicha: is the unity documentation already in ubuntu-docs, or does that need to move over before syncing? [07:47] it's already in ubuntu-docs, one noticable difference is that the ubuntu-docs version says 11.10 while the gnome one still has 11.04 on the main page [07:48] jbicha: ah, indeed! [07:51] morning [07:53] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [07:55] pitti: you can get an extra MB on the CD by removing gnome-user-guide from desktop-recommends [07:55] morning ! [07:55] hi pitti [08:00] jbicha: want me to sync gnome-user-docs now? [08:00] jbicha: if we remove it from the seeds, I wonder how people would get it when they run shell [08:00] pitti: yes, thank you [08:01] we could make it a suggests or even a recommends [08:01] I don't think we have a metapackage for "upstream GNOME session" [08:01] apart from stracciatella [08:01] however at the moment, people will have to call the gnome help manually, but maybe we could make an extra .desktop [08:02] pitti: well of course, debian has a gnome metapackage but it pulls in a lot of stuff [08:03] so adding a recommends: sounds fine for now [08:04] ok [08:25] hey [08:25] hi seb128 [08:25] bonjour seb128 [08:25] hey pitti rodrigo_ [08:25] how are you? [08:25] slightly better today, thanks! [08:26] sorry for being late, I was already late and got some connectivity issue [08:26] damn conf flu [08:26] seems like my router dhcp stopped giving ips, took me a bit to figure it was coming from it [08:26] pitti, oh, you got hackfestflu? [08:26] apparently, yes; but the fever is gone, so better today [08:27] great [08:28] pitti, oh, guadecflu? [08:28] o hackfestflu, right :) [08:29] rodrigo_, did you work yesterday or was it a day off in Spain as well? [08:29] man...anyone else getting quite a few compiz crashes today? [08:29] seb128, a day off [08:30] seb128, oh, also in France? [08:30] hey jasoncwarner_ [08:30] rodrigo_, yes [08:30] was a day off here as well [08:30] rodrigo_, I was going to ask if you started on the new GNOME [08:30] jasoncwarner_: I already got two, yes [08:30] hey, seb..pitti and rodrigo_ [08:30] for sure not for the same reason than here (Virgin of something) :) [08:30] pitti: really annoying...rebooted at least 4 times today so far [08:30] jasoncwarner_, it tends to segfault when I open of close evolution or some other dialogs [08:30] seb128, yes, doing g-s-d and g-c-c releases now, will start packaging those and others as soon as I finish [08:30] hi jasoncwarner_ [08:30] well ... you guys are farther along than me this morning [08:30] jasoncwarner_, you should be able to switch to a vt and run unity [08:31] hey rickspencer3 [08:31] neither my mouse or keyboard are working [08:31] :/ [08:31] rickspencer3, :-( [08:31] I can say, it does have the advantage of decreased resource utilization on my desktop [08:31] I'm pondering switching to gnome-shell to get work done [08:31] i switched to unity 2d ;) [08:31] less drastic [08:32] the new unity doesn't show the launcher with mouse, alt-tab is too slow to be used and it keeps segfaulting [08:32] seb128: I got Vinagre working again, if built with --no-as-needed [08:32] jbicha, oh, nice [08:32] hey chrisccoulson jbicha [08:32] how are you? [08:32] hi seb128, i'm good thanks. and you? [08:32] Heh. My unity at least doesn't segfault, although the alt-tab behaviour needs a lot of edges knocked off it. [08:33] jbicha, I tried by dropping the --as-needed rules line before but not by using --no-as-needed [08:33] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [08:33] chrisccoulson, where are on holidays btw? [08:33] seb128: yeah, --as-needed is default now, so I guess that line wasn't even needed before anyway [08:34] right [08:35] pitti, rodrigo_: the gnome-menus update is going to be "fun" [08:35] they rewrote a good part of it to be gobject friendly [08:35] oh, is that still so relevant for us? [08:35] seb128, yeah [08:36] pitti, well updating your patch will be "fun" [08:36] seb128, most modules in git should have patches for the update to the new API [08:36] since that never made it upstream [08:36] but yes, for sure there's going to be some not up-to-date ones :( [08:36] rodrigo_, oh, rdepends are fine [08:36] the issue is the patches we have [08:36] especially the cache one [08:36] ah, ok [08:37] not sure how much it will apply to the new code [08:37] seb128, i've got 2 weeks holiday from 26th september, and we're staying in a holiday cottage on a farm in cornwall ;) [08:37] we'll see soon, I need it for the new g-s-d/g-c-c [08:37] so there will probably no wifi :/ [08:37] not sure how i'll cope ;) [08:37] Is lightdm expected to work these days? When I try to start a session, it simply fails and restarts. [08:37] chrisccoulson, ok, great, enjoy ;-) no wifi> good for you [08:37] heh [08:37] soren, yes, works great [08:37] :) [08:38] brb, need to restart [08:38] seb128, not so good for whoever's going to have to maintain firefox and thunderbird builds for 2 weeks ;) [08:38] I can't say I'm surprised. Looking at lightdm.log, it tries to point gnome-sesion at an XAUTHORITY in /var/lib/lightdm which my user obviously can't access. [08:38] soren, oh, if you use ecryptfs there is a mount race, you need to log into a vt to mount your user directory before logging in [08:38] chrisccoulson, not me! [08:38] seb128: I do use ecryptfs and I was logged in on a VT. [08:38] seb128: .... I think. [08:38] seb128: Let me try again. [08:39] pitti, seb128 any suggestions? [08:39] seb128, ok, i'll add your name to the list of people who have volunteered ;) [08:39] chrisccoulson, ok, I was wondering, I though your holidays were not soon yet but you wrote on your fb that you were ready for holidays so I was wondering [08:39] I'm looking at the recovery menu, but not sure what to try [08:39] rickspencer3, do you have usb devices? did you try to unplug, plug them again? [08:40] seb128, ok, I;ll try that [08:40] chrisccoulson: well it's a good time for a vacation with Firefox 6 being complete [08:40] jbicha, my vacation coincides with the firefox 7 release ;) [08:40] oh, didn't read close enough, it should be fine though [08:41] which means that the person who takes over for 2 weeks is going to have to do the next trunk -> aurora, aurora -> beta and beta -> release merges, to keep all the builds working ;) [08:41] unlucky! [08:41] ;) [08:41] chrisccoulson, did jasoncwarner_ approved your holidays yet? ;-) [08:41] seb128, yeah, he approved them ages ago ;) [08:42] bah :p [08:43] seb128: YEah, it worked this time. [08:43] soren, ok [08:43] seb128: Do you have the bug number handy? [08:44] soren, bug #824594 and bug #823775 [08:44] Launchpad bug 824594 in lightdm "Cannot login unless ~/.Xauthority is removed" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824594 [08:44] Launchpad bug 823775 in lightdm "Cannot login: could not update ICEauthority file .ICEauthority" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823775 [08:44] let me retitle on [08:45] I also can't login through lightdm right now [08:45] it focuses the wrong user by default, and seems to start a PAM session for that [08:45] pitti, ^ what I wrote [08:45] oh? [08:45] but even removing .Xauthority and .ICEauthority doesn't fix it [08:45] pitti, please comment on the bug [08:45] it could very well be a separate bug, though [08:45] if removing the file works for other people [08:45] pitti, well that was a false hint, what fixes it is to be logged into a vt so the ecrypts mount is done [08:46] that could also be the case, yes [08:46] (also using ecryptfs here) [08:46] pitti, it just happened that to delete the file I was logging in [08:46] pitti, please add your "start pam session on the wrong user" to the bug [08:47] not sure if that's part of what makes ecryptfs not being unlocked before the login... [08:48] jbicha, did you guys stop patching gnome-user-docs for the ubuntu documentation? [08:48] jbicha, waouh, you have been very active ;-) [08:48] seb128: yes, we branched to ubuntu-docs [08:48] (just looked at the etherpad) [08:48] seb128: :-) [08:49] maaaan, the eds API really could use some better documentation [08:49] writing a calendar app with such poor documentation is not easy ;) [08:49] chrisccoulson, why not starting from "dates"? [08:49] rather than writting a new one? [08:51] seb128: done; when my current stuff in my sessino is done I'll examine this more closely [08:52] pitti, do you still plan to do some sponsoring? if you do please note on the etherpad which ones you review, I'm going to do some as well [08:52] i.e vino vinagre gnome-session [08:52] seb128: I can do some more if needed, yes [08:53] pitti, not needed yet, just check the etherpad before doing some so we don't review the same things ;-) [08:53] seb128: wnat me to check gnome-destkop3? [08:53] if you want sure [08:53] pitti, I note you down for the pygobject update btw [08:54] seb128, unplugging and plugging in again worked [08:54] rickspencer3, seems like an udev-ish issue sort of issue again [08:55] rickspencer3, pitti updated udev yesterday, I wonder if that has to due with it [08:55] jbicha: [08:55] - gnome_rr_screen_set_dpms_mode@Base 3.1.4-0ubuntu1 [08:55] 233+ gnome_rr_screen_set_dpms_mode@Base 3.1.4-0ubuntu1~ [08:55] jbicha: FYI, that should just be "3.1.4" [08:55] * pitti will fix that while merging [08:55] of course, no unity [08:56] jbicha: usually new symbols come through upstream versions; we just need the debian revision in the symbols file if it really came through a revision [08:56] pitti: cool, I don't really understand dbgsymbols [08:56] rickspencer3, no unity might not be a bad thing seeing how much issues the current version has ;-) [08:56] oh ok [08:56] seb128, are they going to be fixed in the update tomorrow [08:56] ? [08:57] rickspencer3, dunno, yesterday was an holiday in France and I've not talked to the dx guys today yet, but I doubt they will have anything by tomorrow [08:57] we could just switch to Gnome Shell if it doesn't work out ;-) [08:58] nooooooooooo! [08:58] urk [09:00] seb128, I am not the one responsible for the issues rickspencer3 is facing :) [09:00] it would be funny though... [09:00] for some sort of fun ;-) [09:00] well, 2d seems to be working well [09:00] lut huats, yeah, I blame you! [09:00] seb128, I'd rather say it before you did ;) [09:02] poor huats, he tries to speak French with me [09:02] rickspencer3, don't say that : we DO speak french [09:08] huats: Excusez-moi, mais ce qui est "français"? [09:10] seb128: gnome-desktop3 done [09:10] pitti, danke [09:10] seb128: pygobject is a little more "fun" [09:10] pitti, I can imagine [09:10] pitti, not sure how busy you are but do you think you could do gnome-menus? [09:10] seb128: we need a new python-gobject-gi (-or -3) source which now builds the GI bits only [09:10] pitti, it's going to be "fun" as well [09:10] and disable the GI parts of python-gobject [09:11] but gnome-menus is actually going to block a good part of GNOME [09:11] the two should be installable in parallel [09:11] ok [09:12] cdbs, I am not sure I understood what you mean :) [09:12] seb128: ok, doing g-menus first then [09:12] huats: I used google translate to translate "Excuse me, but what is "French"?" into french and posted that here :) [09:13] cdbs, hehe [09:14] so cdbs French is the language that is spoken in France ;) [09:14] lol [09:15] anyway, any chances of the black terminal tabs re-appearing in oneiric? We have black toolbars but the white tabs look weird in comparison [09:16] pitti, danke [09:16] pitti, I'm wondering if we should just drop the cache there [09:17] seb128: I suppose we still read the menus, though? [09:17] ah, bamf has its own cache [09:19] pitti, well the menus are still used yes [09:19] not sure when though [09:19] pitti, I guess the application lens still use those [09:19] but it might just activate on first use [09:26] seb128: hm, this drops python-gmenu in favor of GI bindings [09:26] that'll need porting in alacarte (which I suppose is happening upstream) and software-center [09:27] and a couple of other packages, but these don't seem very interesting [09:27] pitti, alacarte is deprecated and not maintained [09:27] mvo: is it realistic to port s-c from python-gmenu to gir1.2-gmenu-2.0? [09:28] (for oneiric) [09:29] 23_add_inherited_gnome_session.patch also doesn't apply, and doesn't have a patch header, meh [09:29] and nothing useful in changelog [09:30] it was added by didrocks in r78 it seems [09:30] pitti, it was likely an UNE thing [09:31] pitti, mvo, hi, i think it is better to look into getting gnome-menues 3.1.5 in first [09:31] pitti, no X-UBUNTU-OnlyShowIn-Derivative in my installed files [09:31] ricotz, what do you think pitti is doing? ;-) [09:31] as well [09:31] "right, here..." [09:31] seb128: so, I'll drop that one [09:32] pitti, ok [09:32] oh, sorry, i havent read the backlog :\ [09:32] I will make a note on the etherpad to tell didrocks when he's back from holidays [09:34] pitti: yes, that should be relatively straightforward, I can have a look later [09:35] (as straightforward as any of this anyway) [09:35] mvo: FYI, http://www.j5live.com/2011/08/15/gobjects-in-berlin-the-search-for-more-documentation/ :) [09:36] lots of activity on building proper documentation these days [09:36] \o/ [09:43] the debian versio on merge-o-matic is from unstable? [09:43] * Sweetshark needs translate-toolkit-1.9 for libreoffice-l10n :( [09:44] ogra@horus:~$ unity-2d-launcher [09:44] unity-2d-launcher: error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [09:44] GRMPF [09:44] who broke my desktop ? [09:44] (started with last nights upgrade) [09:48] seb128: hm, new gmenus needs glib 2.29.15 [09:48] pitti, I will do the update in a bit [09:50] * ogra_ doesnt get why unity-2d is linked against mesa now, there is nothing in the changelog that indicates it (and i doubt it is usable that way at all) [09:50] seb128: "jhbuild run dpkg-buildpackage ..." seems to work for now :) [09:51] well, not quite [09:52] pitti, sorry about that, will ping you back once glib is done then [09:52] ogra_, likely coming from some unity-3d bits it's using [09:52] seb128: NP, I have some other stuff to do in the meantime; will resume with new glib [09:52] pitti, danke [09:52] oh, rodrigo_ is back [09:52] seb128, hmm, it shouldnt, sould it ? [09:52] *should [09:52] ogra_, dunno, ask Kaleo [09:52] k [09:53] pitti, you could use a git snapshot package of glib [09:53] in any case if thats really needed, there is a dep on libegl1-mesa missing [09:53] * ogra_ installs that now to see if its usable at all [09:57] seb128, oh, you wanted me for anything? [09:57] rodrigo_, get some of the GNOME updates done ;-) [09:58] getting [09:58] yes, on it :) [09:58] rodrigo_, great, pitti is looking a gnome-menus but it needs new glib first which I'm going to do [09:58] I am in g-s-d and will package any dep that is not yet available [09:58] ok [10:11] "bzr: ERROR: Tree transform is malformed [('duplicate', 'new-2', 'new-25', u'debian_gaupol_library_path')]" when trying to merge translate-toolkit from debian with bzr. any hints? [10:12] Sweetshark: have never seen this :( #bzr might have a better idea [10:13] rodrigo_, btw it seems we don't enable the gsettings to gconf code in g-s-d [10:14] seb128, hmm, we used to, looking [10:14] $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libgconf.so [10:14] gnome-settings-daemon: /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon-3.0/libgconf.so [10:14] looking at the package [10:15] seb128, it seems we do enable it: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS = --enable-pulse --enable-gconf-bridge [10:15] seb128, why do you think we don't? [10:15] oh, the gsettings key [10:15] rodrigo_, because it's not activated in gsettings for me [10:16] yeah, right [10:16] ;-) [10:16] can you fix in the new version upload? [10:16] already uploaded, but will do another upload [10:16] ok [10:16] well no hurry [10:16] can be done with the next upload [10:17] you can put it in the vcs [10:17] yeah [10:19] hm, I get a memory error when trying to get a GMenu.Tree(), I check after lunch [10:21] * ogra_ has it back running ... but clicking on anything in the new dash takes between 3 and 5 sec to respond [10:24] mvo: you need to wait for gnome-menus 3.1.5 with the porting [10:26] hmm, is there anything needed in debian/rules for the .gsettings-override file to be applied? [10:26] hey folks, i've create a new 'team' for tracking all the desktop packages we take care of [10:26]