[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <philipballew> dholbach, good morning
[07:00] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[07:00] <philipballew> :) have a great day on the irc dude!
[07:00] <dholbach> thanks :)
[07:00] <dholbach> philipballew, good night!
[07:01]  * philipballew hopes someday to go to bed before the sun rises over the horizon
[07:05] <jussi> philipballew: come live here, sun doesnt really get over the horizon in winter :D
[07:05] <philipballew> jussi, where is here
[07:05] <jussi> philipballew: north of finland :)
[07:06] <philipballew> im told i trase back to norway.
[07:06] <philipballew> here in ca it hit 100f
[07:07] <philipballew> 38 Celsius then
[07:07] <philipballew> jussi, is that hot for you?
[07:07] <jussi> ouch, very
[07:08] <jussi> Mind, its normal where Im from (australia). I just live here :D
[07:08] <philipballew> the weather there. whats it like?
[07:08] <jussi> in australia or finland?
[07:09] <akheron> -25°C and 2 meters of snow in the winter is quite normal
[07:09] <philipballew> i snowed 3 times here
[07:09] <jussi> yup
[07:09] <philipballew> 3 inches each time
[07:09] <akheron> 3 meters = 9 feet, right?
[07:09] <philipballew> yeah
[07:09] <akheron> erm 2 meters = 6 feet
[07:10] <philipballew> 1 inch = 2.54 cm
[07:11] <philipballew> jussi, do you like it there>
[07:11] <philipballew> ?
[07:12] <jussi> strangely enough, I do - love it here :)
[07:12] <philipballew> It seems like a nice area. Im thinking of leaving california sometime
[07:12] <jussi> something like this can happen if you leave your car for a cpouple of days... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0JPSNaR7sqA/TTDPCbXftGI/AAAAAAAAH2E/ytp7_Ud4UpU/s1600/window.jpg
[07:13] <philipballew> how do you get it out?
[07:14] <jussi> a spade and a brush :)
[07:15] <jussi> doesnt take long, but a garage is a really good thing to have here ;)
[07:15] <akheron> http://i.imgur.com/qlrHy.jpg  I like this pic
[07:15] <akheron> it's been like that in southern finland for two consecutive winters now
[07:15] <akheron> usually we have less snow here :)
[07:17] <philipballew> I met a man who has never seen snow last year
[07:18] <philipballew> also owns no pants. just shorts
[07:40] <Laney> welcome back dholbach!
[07:55] <dholbach> hey Laney - thanks :)
[07:55] <Laney> :-)
[07:55] <Laney> how was your trip?
[07:55] <huats> morning !
[08:02] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[08:04] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:05] <dholbach> Laney, it was great - a week in very relaxed North of Norway and a less relaxed week with travelling around Norway, Germany and Luxembourg where we visited loads of people - it was still lots of fun though :)
[08:17] <Laney> awesome
[08:20] <Laney> would love to visit norway some time . o O ( like this? http://www.northsea-cycle.com/ )
[08:22] <dholbach> Laney, nice
[09:12] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: can I directly subscribe archive for bug 826856 or should it first go through sponsoring again?
[09:15] <geser> jtaylor: I'm not sure about this myself, perhaps tumbleweed can answer this
[09:16] <tumbleweed> in my experince it should be sponsored separately
[09:16] <tumbleweed> (although release-team can self-approve, so I could have sponsored it too)
[09:19] <jtaylor> I subscribed sponsors
[09:24] <tumbleweed> there, ubuntu-dev-tools uploaded. I thought it would be a quick 5 minute thing, but turned into an hour of pain, thanks to mox :/
[09:25] <tumbleweed> I'll request a sync later
[09:43] <Laney> can/can't (there was a discussion in #-release about that the other day)
[09:47] <tumbleweed> Laney: oh, right, I think I misread what ScottK said in that conversation :)
[09:47] <Laney> it's ok for backports but not for release
[09:49] <tumbleweed> yup
[09:56] <dholbach> tumbleweed, after your last commit to the sponsoring page, a bunch of other code is unnecessary, I removed it in a merge proposal
[10:30] <tumbleweed> dholbach: oh, thanks
[10:30] <Laney> did that api bug get worked around?
[10:30] <tumbleweed> dholbach: btw, we appear to have broken teh "can-upload" detection by dropping authentication
[10:30] <Laney> ah
[10:30]  * tumbleweed seems to remember proposing it in the past, and someone telling me this would happen
[10:31] <dholbach> ok, I'll remove my MP - can you propose something that readds the auth code with a comment why we need it? :)
[10:31] <dholbach> so we don't re-remove it again :)
[10:31] <tumbleweed> indeed
[10:31] <Laney> we should rather fix the bug
[10:31] <Laney> or find out if it is one
[10:31] <tumbleweed> yeah, I'd also prefer a better workaround
[10:32] <dholbach> or note the LP bug number
[10:32] <dholbach> I'm sure it's filed already
[10:32]  * tumbleweed couldn't find one
[10:32] <dholbach> oh
[10:32] <Laney> ask #lp?
[10:32] <tumbleweed> #lp-dev is usually better for this kind of thing
[10:33] <Laney> yeah, except i'm not there :(
[10:34]  * tumbleweed does a little more digging first
[10:38] <tumbleweed> Laney: so, isSourceUploadAllowed works unauthenticated, which can give us PPU rights. All we need are per-component upload rights, which we can hardcode to motu / core-dev membership
[10:39]  * tumbleweed doesn't hang out there either
[10:41] <Laney> does isS... only work for PPU?
[10:41] <tumbleweed> yes
[10:41] <Laney> :(
[10:41] <tumbleweed> well, packagesets too
[10:43] <tumbleweed> actually I haven't tested non-packageset PPU. Any examples you can think of?
[10:52] <tumbleweed> Laney: meh, it doesn't support PPU, just packageset
[10:52] <Laney> weird
[10:53] <Laney> did you ask in lp-dev?
[10:53] <tumbleweed> yeah: 12:48 < lifeless> thats a good question
[10:53] <tumbleweed> < lifeless> why shouldn't you be authenticated though ?
[10:53] <Laney> why /should/ you? :-)
[10:54] <tumbleweed> that was kind of my response. The # then got distracted
[10:55] <tumbleweed> basically the problem is that the permission entries aren't visible to unauthenticated users. We don't know why
[12:15] <Laney> tumbleweed: where is the bug? i'd like to subscribe
[12:16] <tumbleweed> Laney: didn't file one. lifeless didn't seem very interested
[12:17] <Laney> :(
[12:22] <lifeless> well
[12:22] <lifeless> I said I'm not convinced its a bug
[12:23] <lifeless> and separately that knowing who is running cron jobs is very useful when they go rogue
[12:23] <lifeless> we only really support anonymous API access for folk doing experimentation in browsers etc - thats the primary anonymous use case.
[12:26] <tumbleweed> lifeless: I wish that were better documented. I use anonymous API access whenever I can
[18:34] <randomaction> Hello guys. Are debcheck results for Oneiric available anywhere? This page seems out of date - http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/
[18:52] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok so I almost have the stuff for the ARM pxe booting with cobbler
[18:52] <zul> sweet
[19:30] <jtaylor> ups I just removed half my system in an attempt to install a i386 multiarch pacakge :(
[19:31] <jtaylor> I really ought to rad those apt reports better
[19:31] <Laney> the boring half anyway
[19:38] <jtaylor> so all installed again, I hope it does not explode on the next reboot :)
[20:06] <geser> at least we know what happened to you when you disappear for a few days
[22:05] <cody-somerville> Any awk experts in here? If so, I'd love if someone could show me an example of how to get the package names and versions listed in a Packages file. :-)
[22:08] <jtaylor> grep -E "^Package|^Version" package-file?
[22:11] <cody-somerville> jtaylor, Looking to have the package name and version on the same line (and just the values, not the field names too).
[22:15] <Rhonda> cody-somerville: grep-dctrl | tbl-dctrl
[22:15] <Rhonda> with appropriate options
[22:15] <Rhonda> or tbl-dctrl right ahead, depending on whether you want to filter at all
[22:18] <Rhonda> tbl-dctrl -d\  -cPackage -cVersion -H < yourPackagesFile
[22:19]  * Rhonda . o O ( part of dctrl-tools )