[01:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Leadership Summit 2011: Rock and Roll - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/16/community-leadership-summit-2011-rock-and-roll/
[05:18] <HazRPG> anyone around that's done android rooting/flashing?
[05:45] <scoundrel50a> um, I have a problem, I had an update via update manageer just now, and went through the process, and it looked like there was a kernel update too, so it asked to reboot. My browser I use, is Google Chrome, which I had no problems with before the update, now, it crashes all the time, I can barely use it. Would anybody have any ideas why it would suddenly be like that.......I am running Ubuntu 10.10
[05:48] <scoundrel50a> when I restart it, ti keeps asking me if I want to restor back to what I last cloed but that is an error, I didnt have a problem with closing it before, but that restore keeps coming back all the time,  but I cant do anything because it keeps freezing
[05:50] <scoundrel50a> the version of Google Chrome I have is 13.0.782.112......
[06:22] <scoundrel50a> I went back a kernel and it seemed to fix the problem and it doesnt seem to be freezing, so the update did something to Google Chrome
[06:22] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: you might try moving or renaming the browser profile
[06:22] <AlanBell> probably in .chrome or something
[06:22] <scoundrel50a> ok, how would I do that?
[06:23] <AlanBell> or try chromium-browser
[06:23] <AlanBell> just rename the ~/.chrome directory (if there is one)
[06:23] <scoundrel50a> I teid that, adn it worked but they still havent got everything to work in Chromium
[06:23] <AlanBell> might be called googlechrome or something
[06:23] <scoundrel50a> where would I find it?
[06:23] <AlanBell> in your home directory
[06:24] <AlanBell> in nautilus ctrl+h to see hidden stuff
[06:24] <scoundrel50a> I am in the old kernel, should IO go into the kernel to do this?
[06:24] <AlanBell> err no
[06:24] <scoundrel50a> ok, will have a look
[06:24] <AlanBell> it is a folder in your home directory
[06:26] <scoundrel50a> no, its not in there
[06:27] <scoundrel50a> I installed it from the internet, so would it go somewhere else?
[06:28] <scoundrel50a> I found it in /etc/ would that still be the same
[06:31] <scoundrel50a> I cant find it.....anyway thanks
[06:33] <christel> good morning
[06:38] <scoundrel50a> oh well, I am still none the wiser and I cant use google chrome, I wish when they did updates, it would break stuff
[06:39] <scoundrel50a> it wouldnt break stuff
[07:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[07:35] <dwatkins> hihi
[07:36] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo
[07:41] <hoover> Good morning all
[07:41] <davmor2> morning hoover
[07:41] <davmor2> morning all
[07:42]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause she isn't up yet
[08:02] <scoundrel50a> Hi, well I been fiddling, uninstalled Google Chrome, reinstalled it, no change, went to use Chromium, and that freezes also, so both Google Chrome and Chromium now wont work since the kernel update.....I still cannot fint out where Google Chrome is situated in the Home folder
[08:03] <diplo> morning all
[08:04] <MooDoo> morning
[08:04] <popey> scoundrel50a: ~/.config/google-chrome/
[08:04] <popey> thats not where chrome is, thats where the config/profile is
[08:05] <scoundrel50a> but where it then, I still cant find it, i just found Chromium
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> dpkg -L google-chrome-beta
[08:05] <MartijnVdS> or google-chrome-stable
[08:05] <popey> scoundrel50a: what are you trying to do?
[08:06] <popey> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe
[08:06] <popey> ooooo
[08:06] <scoundrel50a> ok, this morning I was using Chrome as I ahve done for months with no problem, then came a kernel update, and Chrome broke, tried Chromium and that wont work either, everything just freezes, whatever I do in it
[08:06] <scoundrel50a> if I go back a kernel, they work ok
[08:07] <popey> what are the two kernel version numbers?
[08:07] <scoundrel50a> how do I find out without logging on and off
[08:07] <popey> uname -a
[08:07] <scoundrel50a> k, one sec
[08:07] <popey> will tell you the current one
[08:08] <scoundrel50a> 2.6.35-30-generic
[08:09] <popey> scoundrel50a: so you're on Ubuntu 10.10 right?
[08:09] <scoundrel50a> yes
[08:09] <popey> is this the one that works or the one that doesnt?
[08:10] <scoundrel50a> this omne does, the 2.6.35-29 generic works
[08:10] <popey> eh?
[08:10] <scoundrel50a> sorry, this one doesnt
[08:11] <oimon> fire alarm :(
[08:11]  * popey evacuates the channel
[08:11] <scoundrel50a> the 2.6.35-29 generic works
[08:11] <oimon> false alarm...man that went on a bit too long
[08:12] <scoundrel50a> cant even get any error messages as it freezes all the time
[08:12] <popey> scoundrel50a: does the entire machine freeze or just the browser?
[08:12] <AlanBell> what freezes, the app or the system?
[08:12] <scoundrel50a> browsers
[08:12] <AlanBell> so you can still move the windows about
[08:13] <popey> scoundrel50a: what make of video card do you have?
[08:13] <scoundrel50a> I can close them, but that is about it
[08:13] <scoundrel50a> GC I have to use the force quite sometimes to close, as it just does nothing
[08:14] <scoundrel50a> not sure, how do I find that out?
[08:15] <popey> scoundrel50a: does it crash instantly or when you're on certain sites?
[08:15] <scoundrel50a> does this mean anything an intel GMA 4500M
[08:16] <popey> thats what you have is it?
[08:17] <scoundrel50a> yes, found that on the side of the laptop
[08:17] <scoundrel50a> next to what looks like the graphics card icon
[08:18] <popey> ok, so that theory is out the window
[08:18] <AlanBell> curious
[08:18] <AlanBell> is it switchable graphics?
[08:18] <popey> you are not alone
[08:18] <popey> others have this issue too
[08:19] <popey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11149239
[08:19] <gord> hrm, was 10.10 the time that firefox introduced acceleration or was that 11.04?
[08:19] <scoundrel50a> AlanBell: what does that mean?
[08:19] <gord> i had a lot of problems with that, ended up disabling it
[08:20] <popey> scoundrel50a: do you have pastebinit installed?
[08:20] <scoundrel50a> since the upgrade to the new kernel, each time I start Google Chrome or Chromium I get at the top a message saying do I want to restore the session but it never had a broken session to start, I click on that, it works for a page or two then freezes
[08:20] <popey> if so, can you cause chrome to crash and then "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[08:21] <scoundrel50a> yep, I  think so
[08:21] <popey> scoundrel50a: right, start chrome and _don't_ click restore
[08:21] <popey> then open your regular pages one by one
[08:21] <popey> see which one crashes it
[08:22] <scoundrel50a> did that, and went to click on speed dial, and its frozen already, with the apage unresponsive box showing
[08:22] <popey> ok
[08:22] <scoundrel50a> its just stuck
[08:22] <popey> so do that and pastebin your /var/log/kern.log pls
[08:25] <scoundrel50a> how do I get the pastebin it to work in the terminal
[08:26] <popey> "pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[08:26] <popey> type that
[08:26] <popey> (without the quotes)
[08:27] <scoundrel50a> thought that was right, it didnt give out a url, I have to add it to paste bin, one sec
[08:28] <scoundrel50a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/667092/
[08:29] <popey> no, that didnt work
[08:29] <gord> i got annoyed with not having access to that google bar all over the web, so i added +Gord, Gmail, Calendar, Documents... and so on to my firefox bookmark toolbar thing :) almost as good
[08:29] <scoundrel50a> sorry :(
[08:29] <popey> you'll have to manually open /var/log/kern.log using gedit and paste to paste.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <scoundrel50a> umok, one sec, I'll see if I can find it
[08:31] <bigcalm> Howdy peeps :)
[08:31] <oimon> wow, just ran software-center-gtk3 in oneiric. talk about "busy" screen!
[08:38] <gord> yeah, but i quite like it
[08:38] <gord> or at least, i like the idea
[08:41]  * popey reboots into oneiric
[08:41] <oimon> maybe i just get used to the current stuff and don't like change :-|
[08:41] <oimon> it obviously will get a bit more work
[08:50] <scoundrel50a> sorry, having a few problems, will post the pastebin when I can get it
[08:51] <ClarkNova> Good morning
[08:51] <MooDoo> morning
[08:52] <scoundrel50a> http://paste.ubuntu.com/667101/
[08:53] <scoundrel50a> I dont know if that is enough, it kept on freezing firefox
[08:56] <EditorDaub> lo
[08:56] <popey> lo daubers
[08:57] <MooDoo> lo daubers, how goes it
[08:57] <EditorDaub> Good :) Just editing videos
[08:58] <popey> scoundrel50a: I would file a bug with "ubuntu-bug linux"
[08:59] <scoundrel50a> ok
[08:59] <directhex> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320744355779&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1123
[08:59] <popey> heh, firefox has just locked up for me :D
[08:59]  * popey bets thats a Sony experia?
[08:59] <scoundrel50a> do you know the url for that ubuntu-bug linux
[08:59] <gord> popey, minecraft is now available on the experia play y'know? maybe time to pick one up ;)
[09:00] <bigcalm> ooooo
[09:00] <popey> nah, its not proper minecraft
[09:00] <popey> only the local play one
[09:00] <popey> scoundrel50a: its not a url, type that in a terminal
[09:00] <gord> yeah i think its closer to lego, but its an "alpha" deal-y. maybe in the future
[09:02] <popey> wheee, software updates on oneiric are much more bareable on an SSD!
[09:05] <popey> gord: what do I have to do to get someone to look at the drop shadow in oneiric?
[09:06] <davmor2> popey: pay them?
[09:09] <scoundrel50a> ok, did that, and filled in a bit, the terminal started to produce something but has stuck on 'Attemting to load the system libmoon, and I dont know what to do now with the bug report,
[09:09] <gord> popey, ayatana-dev - its the ayatana mailing list we (programmers) actually read :) - designers read the ayatana ml but not us
[09:09] <popey> ok
[09:09] <gord> popey, at the very least, i'm pretty sure the guys involved know the problem but are swamped with other stuff. so if they detail the problem, one of the awesome community peeps might take a look
[09:09] <gord> seriously, those guys do crazy stuff these days
[09:10] <AlanBell> popey: can you type into a unity text box using onboard yet?
[09:11] <popey> hang on, the act of "go on ayatana-dev" list has me now discovering 3 other bugs
[09:11] <bigcalm> Is it possible to install older versions of FireFox along side the default v5?
[09:11] <popey> need to file those first before I forget
[09:12] <popey> so frustrating
[09:12] <popey> can't do CTRL+ALT+T to open a terminal
[09:12] <popey> middle click on icon doesn't open new window
[09:13] <AlanBell> scoundrel50a: did you get as far as getting a bug number?
[09:14] <scoundrel50a> yes, here it is Bug #827198
[09:14] <scoundrel50a> looks like it added loads ofthings to the bug report
[09:15] <scoundrel50a> should have done that for the backlight problem might have helped more
[09:15] <popey> !
[09:15] <AlanBell> great, next it needs to be confirmed, you need to try and find someone else who can reproduce it
[09:15] <oimon> people on the ubuntu forums :P
[09:16] <oimon> scoundrel50a: do you have a ubuntu forums accoint?
[09:16] <popey> AlanBell: you can't even _paste_ into a unity box yet
[09:17] <AlanBell> indeed, but that doesn't answer the question :)
[09:17] <scoundrel50a> yes I do, I was going to ask, is there a thread in the Ubuntu forums showing this
[09:17] <oimon> yes, popey posted it earlier http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11149239
[09:17] <popey> AlanBell: see previous statement about bugs
[09:17]  * AlanBell takes popey's point
[09:17] <AlanBell> I will have a go later
[09:18] <Dudley-puppy> Im back again
[09:18] <MooDoo> welcome back
[09:18] <scoundrel50a> sorry, didnt see, thank you for posting again, will go ask if somebody can confirm this bug for me
[09:19] <feisar> good morning, what do people use as IDEs for css & html in ubuntu?
[09:19] <directhex> vim!
[09:19] <AlanBell> gedit
[09:19] <directhex> someone was gonna say it, i wanted to be first
[09:19] <feisar> im using gedit at the mo but autocomplete would be useful
[09:19] <hoover> emacs
[09:19] <hoover> ;-)
[09:20] <feisar> I love vi and gedit!
[09:20] <davmor2> geany
[09:20]  * Dudley-puppy has a fussy pc that doesnt boot.from.cd so.installing ubuntu is tricky
[09:20] <feisar> davmor2: is that to me?
[09:21] <davmor2> feisar: yeap I use it for most things it's basically gedit set up for dev mode :)
[09:22] <feisar> davmor2: sounds good, thanks : ] In the default repos too...
[09:23] <davmor2> feisar: Yeap
[09:24]  * bigcalm cracks up: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/6041112753/ # Just got into the photo
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> added my bit and the bug number
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[09:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:32] <Dudley-puppy> good morning to.you too
[09:32] <brobostigon> morning Dudley-puppy
[09:33] <Dudley-puppy> thanks
[09:33] <Dudley-puppy> :)
[09:33] <oimon> oh :D Déjà Dup in Ubuntu 11.10 now supports Ubuntu One backups
[09:34] <oimon> "Deja Dup’s Ubuntu One support, it will create a new cloud folder that is not (by default) synchronized to your computers. Thus, it doesn’t waste space duplicating the same bits on all your machines."
[09:35] <popey> i have set to English(UK) in 11.10, but the layout is wrong
[09:36] <popey> it has @ on number 2
[09:38] <davmor2> popey: I'm betting one is set to English(US) still
[09:38] <Dudley-puppy> good morning to you popey
[09:38] <AlanBell> if people would like to make the reapproval form look more awesome that would be fantastic
[09:39] <popey> davmor2: no, it was set to some other whacky thing
[09:39] <popey> davmor2: fixed with a change and logout/in
[09:40] <popey> also fixed terminal on ctrl+alt+t \o/
[09:40] <popey> AlanBell: how am I supposed to use onboard?
[09:41] <popey> if I press super key, unity gets focus, away from onboard
[09:41] <popey> if I click on onboard the unity box goes away
[09:42] <popey> and pressing the ubuntu key in onboard doesnt make the unity thing appear
[09:43] <oimon> popey: you found a way to show all applications yet?
[09:43] <popey> oh
[09:43] <popey> no
[09:44] <popey> "Clear attention" in the messaging menu looks odd
[09:44] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what do we need to do?
[09:45] <bigcalm> I'd like to take a more active role in the team rather than just sitting in here and helping peeps now and then
[09:45] <Dudley-puppy> yay ubuntu is now installing (for once)
[09:45] <directhex> xperia minecraft supports wifi local play? that's pretty sweet
[09:48] <AlanBell> popey: sounds like it doesn't work then
[09:48] <AlanBell> bigcalm: make the application look awesome
[09:48] <oimon> popey: try alt-tab :D
[09:49] <oimon> i get weird results
[09:50] <AlanBell> bug 739812
[09:51] <daubers> bigcalm: The oggcamp photo probably needs putting in :)
[09:52] <AlanBell> it is I think
[09:52] <AlanBell> dates and sorting stuff into years would be good
[09:54] <oimon> should app descriptions in the software centre have the local language applied?
[10:05] <diplo> popey, When you got HDD's for you HP Micro server did you look into it at all or just buy what you thought was best
[10:05] <diplo> ?
[10:06] <diplo> Just about to order myself one in next few days wondering if you recommend any hdd's or worth investigating
[10:06] <diplo> Going in the front room, so would like it to be as quiet as poss
[10:07] <shauno> you're playing straight into his ssd addiction here :p
[10:12] <diplo> :)
[10:12] <diplo> Might be out of my price range, need space more than spee
[10:13] <diplo> speed*
[10:13] <bigcalm> If you need space over speed, have you considered tapes?
[10:13] <directhex> mag tapes! on end-to-end reels!
[10:14] <diplo> Not for backups bigcalm
[10:15] <diplo> Well.. it's for my film collection, use it as a NAS
[10:15] <diplo> to my Revo
[10:15] <diplo> I have a multitude of drives in varying sizes, want to buy maybe 2 x 2TB discs
[10:15] <diplo> And consolidate or my data to one box
[10:18]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[10:19]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski then prods some more
[10:19] <oimon> i discovered a cool way to store my film collection. since i rarely watch a film more than once, it remains on dvd upstairs somewhere :D
[10:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: you in london ?
[10:21] <diplo> oimon, I quite often watch films more than once, I wrote a plugin a long time ago to randomly pick a film from my few 100
[10:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski you two behave....don't make me put you on the naughty step
[10:21] <diplo> Also wrote one to play all the kids series that I have bought in random order, before i had sky back
[10:21] <oimon> i have a bit of a thing about watching/reading things i remember too well. there is nothing worse than yesterday's newspaper to me
[10:21] <czajkowski> MooDoo: eh since when you in charge mister
[10:21] <czajkowski> don't be getting any ideas
[10:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm already there so your idle threat worries me not :P
[10:22] <oimon> i wish i could watch endless repeats on telly like my missis seems to enjoy
[10:22] <gord> i pretty much see the three of you all sitting on the naughty step arguing ;)
[10:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski: davmor2 right that's it, go to your rooms
[10:22] <czajkowski> gord: wanna join
[10:22] <Dudley-puppy> my wireless card is not recognised by ubuntu
[10:23] <davmor2> gord:  goto #naughtystep I'm right there
[10:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: was up at 5 with laddo wanting to play
[10:24] <MooDoo> oooo loco renewal this evening
[10:24] <AlanBell> yes (help)
[10:26] <Dudley-puppy> help my wireless is not.working
[10:26] <Dudley-puppy> it does not detect any networks
[10:27] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: what wireless card is it as it might need additional drivers
[10:28] <Dudley-puppy> its a bt voyger 1040 wireless card
[10:29] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: from google - http://www.linuxformat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76875
[10:34] <Dudley-puppy> yeah its supported
[10:34] <czajkowski> canot believe there is nobody in mill bank to give emily on the ML a working Ubuntu machine :/
[10:35] <Dudley-puppy> but I can't install.as I dont have internet on the pc
[10:37] <Dudley-puppy> lspci says I have a wireless care
[10:37] <Dudley-puppy> card
[10:37] <Dudley-puppy> but i.realy have know idea what Im doing
[10:41] <Dudley-puppy> any ideas
[10:41] <popey> czajkowski: sure you can
[10:47] <Gary> say hello to Jay15, a friend of mine :-)
[10:48] <czajkowski> Jay15: aloha
[10:48] <bigcalm> Ug ug
[10:49] <Dudley-puppy> ug ug??
[10:49] <Jay15> hello every one! :D
[10:49] <Dudley-puppy> hi Jay15
[10:50] <Jay15> hey cz<tab> (lol) how ya doing?
[10:50]  * bigcalm sneaks off to find lunch
[10:51]  * Dudley-puppy follows bigcalm
[10:53] <Jay15> czajkowski, i hear you are a very nice person, and a good friend of gary?!
[10:53]  * Gary wonders if czajkowski is going to hurt him for that
[10:54] <Jay15> no czajkowski should hurt you for telling me to do that! i am new to this and you are already making me have enemies! :D :S
[10:54] <MooDoo> Gary: you giving Jay15 incorrect information about czajkowski ??
[10:54] <czajkowski> oi
[10:54] <Gary> I'm starving, what can I nom on when I cannot open my mouth too far?
[10:54] <popey> Gary: soup
[10:54] <Gary> MooDoo: yessir
[10:54] <Jay15> hello MooDoo
[10:54] <MooDoo> hi Jay15
[10:55] <Gary> I did a silly on Sunday, kinda faceplanted the pavement!
[10:55] <Jay15> yes Gary is miss leading me already! not good :'(
[10:55] <Jay15> yeah and now you look really funny Gary :D
[10:56] <Jay15> sorry czajkowski for the cz<tab>, its gary miss leading me. :S thnks Gary :D
[10:57] <MooDoo> Jay15: don't worry czajkowski is lovely really lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :)
[10:58] <Dudley-puppy> how do I add support for.mp3 s without internet
[10:58] <andypiper> how do you use irc without internet
[10:58] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: you can't really
[10:58] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: can't you teather your computer with your phone?
[10:58] <Jay15> ok but didn't make a good first imprseeion really
[10:58] <shauno> the lost art of the sneakernet :/
[10:59] <Dudley-puppy> MooDoo I dont think I can with ubuntu
[11:00] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: what phone you got?  it's not a android phone is it?
[11:01] <Dudley-puppy> yes its android
[11:01] <MooDoo> and does it have wireless?
[11:01] <MooDoo> sorry 3g not wireless
[11:01] <MooDoo> lol
[11:01] <Dudley-puppy>  yeah it does
[11:02] <MooDoo> then have you tried connecting it via a usb cable ?  and enabling teather mode from your phone?
[11:03] <Dudley-puppy> yeah but there is no tethering mode
[11:03] <MooDoo> oh
[11:03] <MooDoo> what android phone you got?
[11:04] <Dudley-puppy> Sony Ericsson xperia x8
[11:06] <MooDoo> there are a couple of apps to get tethering working on that phone
[11:06] <MooDoo> might be slow but you could try that....other than that, without an internet connection you'regoing to truggle
[11:07] <Dudley-puppy> yeah but none work.with ubuntu
[11:07] <MooDoo> you don't need a tethering app for ubuntu, you'd install it on your phone, then ubuntu would recognise it as a modem and use your 3g as connection
[11:08] <Dudley-puppy> which app do I get
[11:08] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: up to you, there are a few, go reasearch good
[11:08] <MooDoo> google
[11:08] <AlanBell> which version of android
[11:08] <AlanBell> it is built in for the new versions
[11:08] <Dudley-puppy> 2.1
[11:09] <MooDoo> don't think the x8 has it iirc
[11:09] <AlanBell> ok, if it isn't in the settings menu then some kind of app would be in order I guess
[11:10] <MooDoo> PDANet or Easyteather, they are trial apps but you could try one
[11:10] <MooDoo> ps i'm finding all this from google, so it's not hard to find.
[11:11] <shauno> if the mp3 support comes in from repos, apt-zip would be a completely different approach
[11:22] <directhex> ubuntu's official mp3 support comes from the package gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[11:23] <directhex> well, gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner
[11:23] <directhex> if you just download that deb, that'll add mp3 to gstreamer apps
[11:23] <Dudley-puppy> which package do I need amd64 or the other one
[11:24] <directhex> Dudley-puppy, do you have amd64 or i386 ubuntu?
[11:24] <directhex> "uname -m" in a terminal.
[11:24] <Dudley-puppy> I dont know
[11:24] <MooDoo> ^^^ see above
[11:24] <Dudley-puppy> i386
[11:24] <MooDoo> then you need that version :)
[11:25] <Dudley-puppy> i686 sorry
[11:25] <MooDoo> amd64 is for 64bit os version
[11:26] <directhex> http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/g/gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-partner/gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner_7.0.20100316-3_i386.deb
[11:26] <Dudley-puppy> but its not fedora
[11:27] <directhex> ......
[11:27] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: what's that got to do with anything?
[11:27] <directhex> if i express myself as i desire at this point, i'll get kickbanned.
[11:28] <Dudley-puppy> oh soz
[11:28] <directhex> it may involve words which sound like "duck"
[11:28] <MooDoo> directhex: calm it down :D
[11:29] <directhex> MooDoo, EVERY TIME i go out of my way to help - not just giving hints, but the full answer with links to everything that could be desired, it turns out to be something like this.
[11:29] <directhex> never happens when i just give a throwaway answer which is right-ish but largely unhelpful. only when i go the extra length.
[11:30] <MooDoo> directhex: pita i know, but we all have to learn and i'm guessing that not all people are as old as us ;)
[11:32] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: ARE YOU USING FEDORA OR UBUNTU?
[11:33] <popey> MooDoo: he's already said he's installed Ubuntu
[11:33] <Dudley-puppy> ubuntu
[11:33] <MooDoo> ah cool sorry  :)
[11:33] <popey> 10:45:10 < Dudley-puppy> yay ubuntu is now installing (for once)
[11:33] <MooDoo> ah must of missed that :)
 but its not fedora
[11:35]  * MooDoo wonders if he should mention RPM Fusion :p lol
[11:36] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: just out of interest, unless i've missed this too, how are you on IRC?  at work? and computer is at home?
[11:37] <popey> MooDoo: you missed it, he's on a phone
[11:37] <MooDoo> aha!
[11:38] <oimon> but also dual boot with windows, right?
[11:38] <oimon> isn't the issue to get the wireless working rather than mp3 without internet
[11:38] <popey> i suspect so
[11:49] <Jay15> hello :D
[11:50] <Jay15> sorry ignore that
[11:57] <oimon> using this website reminds me of unity: http://www.calgary.ca/SitePages/cocis/default.aspx
[12:02] <diplo> What type of micro SD card do I want for a mobile, if anyone can recommend, used to buy the cheapest but does anyone know better
[12:02] <diplo> ?
[12:02] <dwatkins> I can't imagine the speed/class matters, diplo - I'd get as large as is affordable, in case you need to transport large amounts of data or music
[12:03] <ClarkNova> You can get a 16gig card for ~£15 nowadays I think
[12:03] <diplo> yeah, seeing different classes are better for speed
[12:03] <diplo> yeah got a sandisk one here for £13.99
[12:03] <diplo> But it's a type2 ?
[12:04] <ClarkNova> I think you only need a fast speed card if you are doing something like writing his-red video to the card. For music I would just buy a cheap card.
[12:05] <ClarkNova> Type 2 is what I have, no problems with it for the most part. Only issue is if I want to record video at 1080p, gets a bit jerky because it's not writing fast enough I think.
[12:05] <daubers> Woot! Lunch time
[12:07] <diplo> Cheers
[12:07] <Gary> I got a class 6 for my phone, I use apps to sd a bit and have seen the performance improve from the class 2 I had before
[12:08] <diplo> Will take a look at price difference ta
[12:09] <diplo> Hmm, tenner dearer
[12:18] <Gary> what site diplo ?  ebuyer seems good pricewise, so is play.com
[12:19] <oimon> diplo: i got a class 10 for my phone
[12:20] <oimon> had been having issues recording HD video to the sd card with a class 2
[12:21] <diplo> Sorry wen twith Amazon has i had a fiver left on a voucher
[12:22] <diplo> Going to go for class6/10 next pay day
[12:22] <diplo> Have a backup card with the 2 and replace it
[12:22] <diplo> Not got HD video yet so need to worry on that side
[12:27] <Dudley-puppy> who highlighted me?
[12:32] <Dudley-puppy> dependency is not satisfiable: lsusb-1.0-0
[12:32] <Dudley-puppy> what does this mean
[12:33] <Dudley-puppy>  and how do I solve it
[12:34] <MooDoo> it just means you're trying to install something that requires something else that is a specific version.....
[12:34] <MooDoo> to fix it, i would google it.
[12:36] <Dudley-puppy> I dont know what to do
[12:37] <MooDoo> neither do i to be honest, but there may be something on google that could help you, especially if no one knows here.
[12:37] <Dudley-puppy> *sigh* ok then
[12:38] <MooDoo> no need to sigh, we're trying to help, but you also need to try to help yourself :)
[12:38] <directhex> or provide detailed info required to give specific answers
[12:38] <directhex> e.g. in this case, the version of ubuntu you're using would be a start
[12:38] <MooDoo> what version is it?
[12:39] <Dudley-puppy> 9.10 beta
[12:40] <MooDoo> beta?
[12:40] <hoover> That's quite old Dudley-puppy
[12:40] <MooDoo> don't you have a later version?
[12:40] <Dudley-puppy> yeah
[12:40] <Dudley-puppy> I know and I cant update without the internet
[12:41] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: are you unable to get a copy of natty?
[12:41] <hoover> you might pick up some cover disk at the local newsagent#s
[12:41] <Dudley-puppy> not that I know of
[12:42] <directhex> you know that'll be the main problem with your wifi, right?
[12:42] <directhex> i.e. a release from 2009 won't have modern wifi drivers
[12:42] <Dudley-puppy> not without the internet
[12:42] <Dudley-puppy> I think.so
[12:43] <directhex> plus, 9.10 isn't supported anymore, so any guides etc you find will no longer apply
[12:43] <oimon> e.g. Ubuntu User magazine
[12:44] <hoover> I'd check the local store for a disc with something newer on it.
[12:44] <diplo> Dudley-puppy, you could go to a library and get all required files for an update, if i remember correctly you can export to a text file what a system needs to update and go to the library or a friends and grab them all ?
[12:45] <Dudley-puppy> I have just asked work if the router is working (that might be the issue)
[12:55] <diplo> If you have internet there but your wireless doesn't work, can't you try hard wiring it ?
[13:07] <Dudley-puppy> just reset the router hopefully it works now
[13:07] <shauno> a network .. with a network cable?  that's crazy enough that it might work
[13:10] <directhex> cables are old school. these days you get your internets wirelessly and charge wirelessly
[13:11] <Dudley-puppy> dont have a Ethernet care soz
[13:12] <oimon> personally i think you are gonna enter a world of fail running an unsupported version, and a beta version at that
[13:14] <popey> Dudley-puppy: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[13:14] <oimon> \o/
[13:15] <Dudley-puppy> popey that would be helpful if my phone liked the site
[13:15] <popey> Dudley-puppy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/667284/
[13:16] <ali1234> have you thought about making a "ubuntu-uk" android app?
[13:16] <ali1234> (or iphone if you like)
[13:17] <EditorDaub> writing stuff for iphones sucks
[13:18] <Dudley-puppy> my wireless shows no networks still
[13:20] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: have you updated software, ran all the stuff from the links we've given you?
[13:21] <Dudley-puppy> I dont see anything
[13:21] <popey> Dudley-puppy: did you see the pastebin link I just gave you?
[13:22] <Dudley-puppy> yup
[13:22] <popey> so you know how to get a new cd then?
[13:23] <Dudley-puppy> kinda
[13:23] <Dudley-puppy> you just "g**r-%**+-" (thats what came up)
[13:24] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/cd.txt
[13:24] <popey> what do you see there?
[13:25] <Dudley-puppy> a bunch of text
[13:25] <hoover> helpful text ;-)
[13:26] <MooDoo> Dudley-puppy: i think the hint was to read it :D
[13:26] <popey> Dudley-puppy: the text describes how you can get a free cd
[13:26] <Dudley-puppy> oh so you email someone
[13:26] <AlanBell> me
[13:27] <Dudley-puppy> AlanBell I guessed that
[13:29] <Dudley-puppy> ahh malwere attack
[13:29] <Dudley-puppy> and its gone
[13:32] <bigcalm> o.O
[13:32] <Dudley-puppy> AlanBell it sent
[13:34] <Dudley-puppy> sent the e-mail
[13:43] <popey> does anyone else on 11.10 have two alt-tabs come up?
[13:43] <oimon> popey: i did
[13:43] <popey> the one that was on ctrl+tab is now on alt-tab too
[13:43] <popey> so two windows appear
[13:43] <oimon> then i fixed it with unity --reset
[13:43]  * popey does that
[13:44] <oimon> bug 824929
[13:44] <Dudley-puppy> how do I force install a .den package
[13:45] <Dudley-puppy> .deb
[13:45] <popey> double click it
[13:47] <MooDoo> sudo dpkg -i --force-depends package.deb is another way i think
[13:47] <Dudley-puppy> then I get dependency is not satisfiable: lsusb-1.0-0
[13:47] <oimon> popey: did that fix your issue?
[13:51] <EditorDaub> 1/3 of the way through editing the videos now
[13:52] <oimon> woo
[13:53] <oimon> EditorDaub: how are they turning out?
[13:54] <EditorDaub> oimon: Good :) Quad core box is munging the compressions too, just hoping theyturn out small enough to go up onto blip (stupid 1GB limit)
[13:55] <oimon> Was the audio recorded via the sound desk?
[13:55]  * oimon assumes so
[13:56] <EditorDaub> oimon: Unfortunatly not in this instance
[13:57] <EditorDaub> oimon: Since we're doing this ourselves this year, start simple and extend next year :)
[13:57] <oimon> :)
[13:57] <oimon> the only time i've had geek envy lately is when i saw simon phipps with an eee pad transformer
[14:05] <popey> oimon: yes, and what made it even better was rebooting into natty
[14:05] <popey> Dudley-puppy: what are you trying to install?
[14:06] <Dudley-puppy> some teathering app
[14:08] <Dudley-puppy> but I gave up
[14:09] <popey> I dont understand why you're installing stuff on ubuntu
[14:09] <popey> the tethering apps go on the phone
[14:10] <directhex> tethering apps make your phone get detected as a usb modem, or a wifi access point. nothing on ubuntu will change that
[14:10] <EditorDaub> Dudley-puppy: I'd suggest you go speak to your local lug. If you take the machine with problems to them they can probably help you fix it better than we can, as they'll have the machine in front of them and be able to explain things better in person (probably)
[14:10] <EditorDaub> !lug
[14:11] <oimon> EditorDaub: ...and supply a recent version of ubuntu
[14:13] <MooDoo> i'm sure i mentioned this earlier.
[14:19]  * popey noted EditorDaub mentioned "next year"
[14:22] <EditorDaub> popey: Indeed :)
[14:23] <EditorDaub> popey: If it's constantly mentioned, you'll get used to the idea and then it will happen
[14:32] <AlanBell> Dudley-puppy: "2nd large" is the stamp you need on the outside and inside package
[14:32] <AlanBell> or that was what worked on the last one that went through
[14:33] <scoundrel50a> the updates this morning, to the new kernel, were they security updates, and if I went back to the kernel before, till you can get the problem with Google Chrome fixed, and its been confirmed by the way, will I have any securoty problems with the kernel before this new one...
[14:33] <ali1234> read the changelog and find out
[14:33] <Dudley-puppy> AlanBell okey
[14:34] <scoundrel50a> how do I find the changelog
[14:35] <ali1234> apt-get changelog
[14:35] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[14:35] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-August/thread.html
[14:35] <popey> i see no security updates to the kernel in the last few days
[14:36] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-August/001389.html is the most recent to 10.10
[14:36] <popey> have you not updated for a week or so?
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> ali1234: says that is an invalid operation
[14:36] <scoundrel50a> that up0date didnt come through till today
[14:36] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.35-30.56
[14:36] <popey> thats the changelog
[14:37] <scoundrel50a> popey:thank you for the info
[14:37] <popey> bug #827198
[14:38] <scoundrel50a> yeh, that wa the one I entered and just got a message saying it was confirmed
[14:38] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-1020.html
[14:38] <ali1234> ooo nasty
[14:40] <scoundrel50a> oh that reminds me, I have to change my default browser, I cant open those links,
[14:41] <scoundrel50a> ok, well I will go back to the last kernel, till they patch it hopefully
[14:41] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[14:41] <scoundrel50a> logging off
[14:55] <bigcalm> Humm
[14:56] <bigcalm> Is LibreOffice (and OOo) unable to open password protected spreadsheets read-write?
[15:06] <Dudley-puppy> how do I install a .tar.gz package
[15:07] <dogmatic69> Dudley-puppy: you should mostly be installing with apt-get etc
[15:07] <Dudley-puppy> yeah but how do I install it
[15:08] <MooDoo> you need to unpack it and read the instructions....
[15:08] <bigcalm> Dudley-puppy: you will need to extract the archive: tar zxvf filename.tar.gz
[15:08] <popey> what is it you're installing Dudley-puppy ?
[15:08] <Dudley-puppy> lame
[15:08] <directhex> lame the mp3 ENCODING command-line tool?
[15:09] <bigcalm> I hope that's the package and not an insult ;)
[15:11] <Dudley-puppy> what command do I run
[15:11] <popey> why not just install it the right way?
[15:12] <Dudley-puppy> cos I dont have internet
[15:12] <MooDoo> why don't you wait till you do, it'll be so much easier.
[15:12] <bigcalm> Dudley-puppy: you can download .deb files to install from
[15:13] <popey> you're now on Sky broadband which says to me you have a sky broadband router that you could plug into?
[15:13] <ali1234> how did you download a tgz if you don't have internet?
[15:14] <ali1234> how are you even talking to us??
[15:14] <popey> on his phone
[15:14] <Dudley-puppy> dont have a Ethernet
[15:14] <MooDoo> you're still trying to do this on 9.04 i would give up and wait till you have a later version
[15:14] <popey> I'd buy an ethernet cable
[15:14] <ali1234> are the repos even still available for 9.04?
[15:15] <popey> its 9.10, not 9.04
[15:15] <ali1234> ok
[15:15] <ali1234> are the repos even still available for 9.10?
[15:15] <popey> and yes, on old-releases
[15:21] <shauno> u-uk needs a fleet of lil guys on scooters delivering free dvds.  this conversation could have been 5 hours shorter that way :o)
[15:22] <scoundrel50a> sorry, just had a e-mail from the bug report saying status confirmed > Invalid, what does that mean?
[15:23] <popey> it's not a general problem
[15:23] <popey> only in the kernel specifically in 10.10
[15:27] <scoundrel50a> oh, ok just wanted to know that is all, I am using the old kernel, I hope that gets fixed, that will another problem added to the back light problem
[15:32] <oimon> shauno: http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Magazine/Archive/2011/9
[15:33] <oimon> fleet of guys on scooters deliver to whsmith
[15:35] <shauno> not quite the same mental picture :)
[15:36] <oimon> they also have a way of converting the cds into 1s and 0s and then go down a tube , come out at the end, and end up on a CD..amazing :D
[15:37] <popey> is the tube called "royal mail"?
[15:37] <oimon> smaller tubes...like fibre or copper
[15:40] <shauno> just picking up an ethernet cable is a fine suggestion.  I just like the mental picture of having a 'geek squad' that's actually geeks
[15:41] <oimon> alanbell coming out of the like wallace and gromit with a cd strapped on his helmet?
[15:50] <bigcalm> Getting jaw ache from consuming this malt loaf
[15:50] <popey> haha
[15:50] <popey> reminds me, I have some MSG now
[15:50] <bigcalm> Thank you for the tip on sawing
[15:50]  * popey wonders what to put it in
[15:50] <bigcalm> EVERYTHING
[15:50] <popey> there is that, yes
[15:51] <bigcalm> How about a nice stir-fry?
[15:51] <popey> someone said to me "have you got that so your crap cooking tastes ever so slightly less crap?"
[15:51] <popey> ooo, good call
[15:54] <bigcalm> I think I should do one here as well soon
[15:54] <bigcalm> Doubt that MSG will make it into the mix though
[15:58] <oimon> doesn't msg give bellyache?
[15:58]  * oimon is going offline for a week
[15:59] <oimon> behave without me
[15:59] <scoundrel50a> ok, just had an e-mail through from canonical, and its gave me this to install instead wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/lp-827198/0/linux-image-2.6.35-30-generic_2.6.35-30.58_amd64.deb I just installed it, but I want to make sure I click on the right one when booting up, so I did this in the command line uname -a and got this Linux droopal-laptop 2.6.35-30-generic #58 SMP Tue Aug 16 15:05:36 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux, is that the same?
[16:00] <scoundrel50a> if it is, its not working
[16:03] <scoundrel50a> is it the same? Can somebody let me know, so I can get back to canonical and let them know
[16:04] <popey> scoundrel50a: looks good
[16:05] <scoundrel50a> well, it doesnt seem to work, in GC I am still getting unresponsive pages
[16:05] <scoundrel50a> oh welll, thanks popey
[16:05] <scoundrel50a> I'll let canonical know
[16:12] <dutchie> scoundrel50a: fwiw i am seeing the same issue
[16:12] <dutchie> i might test with mainline kernel later
[16:14] <scoundrel50a> ah, thank goodness for that, thanks for letting me know, I really appreciate it
[16:14] <scoundrel50a> sorry, your having problems too, though
[16:41] <ali1234> does anyone know how to download ipad apps when you don't have an ipad or a mac or itunes and you just want to reverse engineer it? (lol)
[16:41] <Azelphur> haha
[16:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: what app? :D
[16:41] <ali1234> the bbc iplayer global one
[16:42] <drussell> ali1234: find someone else that has an ipad or a mac and itunes ;o)
[16:42] <ali1234> actually i have a mac if that helps
[16:42] <ali1234> but no ipad
[16:42] <Azelphur> lol
[16:43] <brobostigon> i dont think it is like android, where you can frely make and or pickup apk's.
[16:46]  * popey looks on his mac
[16:47] <popey> i suspect i wont be able to download it because I am UK based?
[16:47] <ali1234> right.
[16:47] <ali1234> anyway we got the answer we needed
[16:47] <popey> ok
[16:47] <popey> what was the question?
[16:48] <ali1234> does it use apple's payment api?
[16:48] <popey> ahh, does it?
[16:49] <ali1234> (it does - "top purchases" on the itunes description page are 6.99 and 49.99 which are the subscription fees)
[16:49] <popey> blimey
[16:49] <popey> 6.99 a mo, and 49.99 a year?
[16:50] <shauno> starting to make an ipad look like an interesting buy =x
[16:54] <directhex> ipad's for girls. touchpad!
[17:03] <jacobw> how was oggcamp for everybody?
[17:16] <popey> jacobw: see http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/OggCamp11BlogPosts
[17:34] <ali1234> popey: yeah i guess so... less than the license fee tho...
[17:35] <ahayzen> Hi I was speaking to u guys yesterday about a HDD issue ...
[17:36] <ahayzen> @AlanBell: I have just changed my SATA cable and put the HDD into a different port and the HDD now appear in the livecd with SMART working :)
[17:36] <ahayzen> although it says that it has a 'Bad sector'
[17:37] <ahayzen> I can also access all the data now ... does this mean i should be able to boot normally?
[17:38] <ali1234> popey: that's euros as well of course
[17:39] <ahayzen> would i just run a 'Check Filesystem' from Disk utility to fix the bad sectors?
[17:42] <jacobw> popey: thanks
[17:43] <ahayzen> sorry din dins ... will ask again later :) ...
[18:15] <bernhard2> Having about 5 errors in my log during bootup. help fixing these would be great.. check em out here..  http://pastebin.com/dFABgSqe
[18:16] <tsimpson> bernhard2: cross-posting is rude, fyi
[18:22] <ali1234> bernhard2: for the first one install package linux-firmware-nonfree
[18:22] <ali1234> bernhard2: second one is normal, it just means there was no resume image, which is normal if you didn't suspend
[18:25] <ali1234> third is only an issue if you need to use pci hotplugging (you almost certainly don't)
[18:25] <ali1234> sorry that's the 4th one
[18:26] <ali1234> 5th is to do with motherboard temperature sensors - they changed how those all work recently, and some drivers still lag
[18:42] <exobuzz> lol @ popey
[18:42] <exobuzz> your not going near my ironing!! rotfl
[18:42] <exobuzz> you're
[18:44] <ahayzen> Hi ... If my disk has a bad sector do i just run 'Check Filesystem' from disk utility to resolve this issue? Thanks in advance.
[18:45] <exobuzz> ahayzen, i tend to do a selftest with smartctl and then see where the bad block is, and then use hdparm to overwrite it at the drive level.
[18:46] <ahayzen> how would i do this?
[18:46] <ahayzen> 'Run self-test' :) ?
[18:46] <exobuzz> smartctl -t long /dev/drive
[18:46] <ahayzen> ok
[18:47] <exobuzz> smartctl -a /dev/drive to see the results. then if you have a bad block marked, you can use hdparm --write-sector with it. - with care. i take no responsibility heh
[18:48] <ahayzen> how can i work out which sda has the bad sector?
[18:48] <ahayzen> cause the disk utility just says the drive does
[18:48] <exobuzz> its in an array ?
[18:48] <ahayzen> no it has partitions
[18:48] <exobuzz> we are working on the raw device. not partitions
[18:48] <exobuzz> to be honest, i wouldnt do this unless you are confident you know what you are doing
[18:48] <ahayzen> well my HDD is formatted with ext4 :S
[18:49] <exobuzz> run a long test on the drive with smartctl.
[18:50] <exobuzz> and read the logs - it will log errors should already have some stuff in the log if it had read errors
[18:50] <ahayzen> i have sda1, sda2, sda5 -> swap, sda6 is there a way to work out which partition has the bad sector rather than running the test on each?
[18:50] <exobuzz> note - everything i am saying assumes you have a full daily backup of your files etc
[18:50] <exobuzz>  /sda - we are working on the actual drive. not logical partitions
[18:50] <ahayzen> i have my files backed up but i'm running off a livecd
[18:50] <exobuzz> you run the test on the drive. not a partition
[18:51] <ahayzen> ah ... will this delete any data or just fix the bad sectors?
[18:51] <exobuzz> no. it will read the entire disk and some other stuff
[18:51] <exobuzz> do smartctl -a /dev/sda and paste the output somewhere
[18:51]  * AlanBell returns home at last
[18:51] <AlanBell> hour and a bit to the reapproval meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:52] <StevenR> AlanBell: anything that needs doing before then?
[18:53] <AlanBell> probably :)
[18:53] <exobuzz> some more ironing ? :)
[18:53] <ahayzen0> @exobuzz: here is the link ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/667580/
[18:54] <AlanBell> any improvement that can be made to the application would be great
[18:54] <AlanBell> I have just walked in the house and I am preparing a sausage sarnie and a pint of pimms
[18:54] <exobuzz> ahayzen0, ok so you have a pending sector. now do smartctl -t short /dev/sda if it finds nothing do smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[18:55] <ahayzen> ok ....
[18:55] <exobuzz> strange there are no errors logged mind. we shall see after the test. this just does some read tests btw. it doesnt write anything 9apart from to smart log)
[18:56] <ahayzen0> the test has started?!? .... 'Please wait 2 minutes for test to complete.'... how do i view the results?
[18:56] <exobuzz> smartctl -a shows everything .
[18:56] <exobuzz> AlanBell, pint of pimms? straight? :) heh
[18:57] <AlanBell> with lemonade
[18:57] <AlanBell> end of a jug from the BBQ
[18:57] <ahayzen0> ok so run tht in ~2 mins
[18:57] <exobuzz> or whever you like to see progerss
[18:57] <dutchie> AlanBell: sounds lovely
[18:57] <brobostigon> AlanBell: 9pm it is yes?
[18:57] <AlanBell> yes, 9PM
[18:57] <brobostigon> ok,
[18:58] <ahayzen0> @exobuzz: shall i pastebin the output?
[18:58] <exobuzz> please
[18:58] <ahayzen0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/667589/
[18:59] <exobuzz> ok so now, you can see the lba of a failed sector
[18:59] <ahayzen0> in disk utility after refreshing it says 'Self tests: FAILED (Read)'
[19:00] <ahayzen0> ok
[19:00] <exobuzz> you can do "hdparm --write-sector 148493569 /dev/sda" note this will write over data on the disk.
[19:00] <ahayzen0> but just over tht sector?
[19:00] <exobuzz> yes
[19:01] <ahayzen0> 'Please supply the --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing flag if you really want this.' <- lol
[19:01] <exobuzz> first of all. try this
[19:01] <exobuzz> hdparm --read-sector 148493569 /dev/sda
[19:01] <ahayzen0> ok..
[19:01] <ahayzen0> 'reading sector 148493569: FAILED: Input/output error'
[19:02] <exobuzz> ok.. now write it with hdparm
[19:02] <ahayzen0> ok
[19:02] <exobuzz> and then try reading it again
[19:03] <ahayzen0> what is the '--yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing flag'...
[19:03] <exobuzz> you have to add that. i didnt tell you that. thats part of the test :)
[19:03] <exobuzz> its to make sure you dont accidently run stuff that is potentially dangerous
[19:04] <ahayzen0> hmmm but it doesn't then run ...
[19:04] <ahayzen0> 'sudo hdparm --write-sector 148493569 /dev/sda --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing' just outputs the options for the cmd
[19:04] <exobuzz> /dev/sda comes last
[19:04] <exobuzz> btw are your partitions unmounted. i didnt ask that. i assumed heh
[19:04] <exobuzz> since you are booting from livecd
[19:05] <ahayzen0> yep :)
[19:05] <ahayzen0> 're-writing sector 148493569: succeeded'
[19:05] <ahayzen0> so now test the read
[19:05] <exobuzz> now try the read again. if it works. then do the smartctl test again and wait
[19:05] <ahayzen0> 'reading sector 148493569: succeeded' ... and then lots of 0000 :D
[19:05] <exobuzz> good
[19:06] <ahayzen0> right so now the disk is 'Healthy' ...
[19:06] <ahayzen0> hopefully now i have changed the SATA cable to one tht worked the PC will start working :)
[19:06] <exobuzz> run the short test. then if thats good, fsck every partition
[19:07] <ahayzen0> could u just remind me of the fsck cmd
[19:07] <exobuzz> note we will have overwritten data on the disk, so its wise to restore from the backup on the partition that had the problem
[19:07] <ahayzen0> ok :)
[19:07] <exobuzz> fsck.ext4 /dev/sdaX for ext4
[19:07] <ahayzen0> is there any way of actually working out wht bit of data tht was?
[19:07] <exobuzz> -f to force it
[19:07] <ahayzen0> thx
[19:07] <exobuzz> fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sdaX
[19:08] <exobuzz> there is a way, but its slightly complicated.
[19:08] <ahayzen0> ok :(
[19:08] <ahayzen0> could u work out which partition?
[19:08] <ahayzen0> so i know if it is / or /home or swap
[19:08] <ahayzen0> 'Self-tests: Completed OK' :)
[19:08] <exobuzz> the info you need is in http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html
[19:09] <ahayzen0> ok thx
[19:09] <exobuzz> however just fsck the drives and you will likely find out anyway
[19:09] <exobuzz> the partitions i mean
[19:09] <ahayzen0> running sda1 atm
[19:10] <ahayzen0> 'Error reading block 146 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read).  Ignore error<y>? '
[19:11] <ahayzen0> do i say no?
[19:11] <exobuzz> ctrl+c and do a smartctl -t long /dev/sda on the disk first
[19:11] <exobuzz> to make srue there are no more bad blocks
[19:11] <ahayzen0> ok
[19:11] <exobuzz> it can take a few hours
[19:11] <exobuzz> if you have plenty of errors, send the drive back :)
[19:12] <ahayzen0> u weren't joking ... 22:00 it will finish
[19:12] <exobuzz> (if it's in warranty)
[19:12] <exobuzz> yeh heh
[19:12] <ahayzen0> well i think it is more the SATA cable...
[19:12] <exobuzz> oh. well get that replaced right now and stop everything heh
[19:12] <ahayzen0> cause yesterday i couldn't even read the disk ... so today i tried a different SATA cable in a different port and it seems to be working a bit better
[19:13] <ahayzen0> i'm on a different SATA cable at the moment :) thts why it is able to read the disk
[19:14] <ahayzen0> in the current state wht would happen if i just ran the Ubuntu install would it then write over the bad sectors or should i wait for the test to end?
[19:15] <exobuzz> wait for the test.
[19:15] <ahayzen0> it appears one bad sector has already been found
[19:16] <exobuzz> basically you can do as before. read it with hdparm. fails. write it (block gets remapped). retest. you may have a bunch of them. if drive is under warranty send it back. else rinse and repeat this, and maybe reinstall once its "clean".
[19:17] <ahayzen0> ok thx :)
[19:20] <ahayzen0> ok ... thank you for ur help ... i was really worried the other day because the machine couldn't get POST BIOS as it kept getting stuck at 'Detecting IDE drives' i thought tht this was the end of my disk/mobo but it appears to be the cable (yn)
[19:50] <AlanBell> 10 minutes everyone
[19:50] <AlanBell> if you could all pile in to #ubuntu-meeting that would be great
[19:50] <brobostigon> :)
[19:57] <AlanBell> 5 minutes
[19:57] <AlanBell> 3 even
[20:02] <AlanBell> right now, and we are first up
[20:03] <bigcalm_lappy486> Wondered why it was quiet in here
[20:06] <bigcalm_lappy486> Support in what sense?
[20:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm_lappy486: say hi in #ubuntu-meeting *right now*
[20:08] <bigcalm_lappy486> I've never attended a meeting before so have no idea how they work
[20:08] <bigcalm_lappy486> Don't want to put my foot in it
[20:17] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ubuntu-cymru might be worth a mention.
[20:22] <popey> :D
[20:22] <popey> \o/
[20:22] <AlanBell> \o/
[20:22] <bigcalm> Was there really any worry? With the amount of work you lots put in
[20:23] <daubershome> Sorry for being late!
[20:24] <bigcalm> Time for Minecraft then :D
[20:24] <daubershome> Also! Well done AlanBell and others on the hard work on the application :)
[20:24]  * AlanBell sits down with a stiff drink
[20:24] <brobostigon> :)
[20:24] <airurando> congrats ubuntu-uk
[20:25] <airurando> enjoy the drink AlanBell. Well deserved!
[20:25] <StevenR> woo
[20:26]  * StevenR glares at openvpn that won't start on boot
[20:26] <bernhard1> cant seem to disable sinhosun in php.. idears ?
[20:27]  * daubershome adds that to the list of "good" things that happened this evening
[20:31] <StevenR> right. that's special of it. It's trying to start before the network is ready
[20:32] <StevenR> so it attempts to bind to the static IP that isn't there yet
[20:32] <czajkowski> poor AlanBell you'd swear he was beaten u
[20:32] <czajkowski> *up
[20:33] <daubershome> czajkowski: I watched some of your talk today :) Not too bad on the talking fast thing this time
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have you all seen this? http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/ Need to use Chrome. It's really freaky...
[20:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Especially when you turn on Gravity.
[20:36] <czajkowski> daubershome: how slow did you go
[20:36] <daubershome> I didn't in the end
[20:36] <czajkowski> daubershome: when yer finsined wth mine can you mail cypher@skynet.ie
[20:36] <czajkowski> thanks
[20:37] <daubershome> Can do :)
[20:37] <shauno> heh, the talking fast thing must be awkward.  most people assume it means you're nervous.  here, it just means you're local
[20:38] <daubershome> If they deinterlace ok, Im hoping to start uploading tomorrow
[20:38] <diplo-> TheOpenSourcerer, Doesn't work in Chromium ?
[20:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno?
[20:38] <diplo-> Your browser does not support WebGL
[20:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> No then.
[20:39] <czajkowski> shauno: yeah and I talk fast :/
[20:43] <shauno> in the states I just told people they were listening too slow.  that doesn't work so well when you're not trying to offend people tho :/
[20:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I am going to have an early night. Laterz all.
[20:44] <AlanBell> o/
[20:47] <bigcalm> Goodness it is early
[20:47] <bigcalm> Tempting to not do anything more for the evening
[21:06] <popey> AlanBell: your mail looks like arse
[21:06] <shauno> heh.  oops.  I'd have to agree
[21:07] <shauno> (on the plus side, that's a pretty guaranteed way to get people to go and read it)
[21:10]  * daubershome heads to bed
[21:10] <czajkowski> popey: you have a way wiht words
[21:13] <AlanBell> popey: it does
[21:43] <judgey> hey guys i need some help, i have installed ubuntu server and setup a forum but as i dont have my domain yet i can not access it so need to do it via ip, i have my own server so there is no username as such. How would i get to my foums just using the IP ?
[21:43] <judgey> forums*
[21:43] <Azelphur> judgey: http://i.p ?
[21:43] <Azelphur> replace i.p with the ip of course
[21:44] <judgey> i can get to the ip but it just loads my hosting pannel
[21:44] <judgey> not the forums
[21:44] <Azelphur> hosting panel?
[21:44] <judgey> yer sorry
[21:44] <Azelphur> you installed ubuntu, you installed a hosting panel too?
[21:44] <judgey> yep ehcp
[21:45] <Azelphur> so your ubuntu server machine is at home
[21:45] <judgey> no server in france
[21:45] <Azelphur> oh ok
[21:45] <Azelphur> a dedi?
[21:45] <judgey> yep
[21:45] <Azelphur> ah, making sense :D
[21:45] <judgey> heh :) sorry my bad
[21:45] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:45] <Azelphur> ok and you have ehcp on there and you want to go to your website not ehcp
[21:46] <Azelphur> Can you not move ehcp to a subdirectory or something?
[21:46] <judgey> yer if thats pos
[21:46] <Azelphur> ex 127.0.0.1/ehcp
[21:46] <Azelphur> what webserver are you using
[21:46] <judgey> apche2 u mean?
[21:46] <Azelphur> yep
[21:46] <judgey> thats the one
[21:46] <Azelphur> did you install ehcp with apt?
[21:47] <judgey> no from source
[21:47] <Azelphur> looking at this ehcp thing it doesn't exactly look like something I'd want on my server :x
[21:47] <judgey> wget www.ehcp.net/ehcp_latest.tgz
[21:47] <Azelphur> what does it even do?
[21:48] <judgey> its just to host domain and mysql
[21:48] <judgey> just easy for me to use
[21:48] <Azelphur> heh, ssh is easy too :D
[21:48] <Azelphur> judgey: so you downloaded this tgz then what did you do with it
[21:49] <judgey> after untar ./install.sh
[21:49]  * Azelphur reads install.sh to see what it does
[21:50] <judgey> if it was just pleask or somthing how would u do it? would it not be the same ? Im a newbie so im not to clued up
[21:50] <Azelphur> cat debug.txt | sendmail bvidinli@gmail.com > /dev/null 2>&1
[21:50] <Azelphur> wow, seriously why are you using this thing
[21:50] <Azelphur> woa wtf
[21:50] <Azelphur> judgey: uninstall this thing, seriously
[21:51] <Azelphur> ps aux > debug.txt and cat debug.txt | sendmail bvidinli@gmail.com > /dev/null 2>&1
[21:51] <Azelphur> in install.sh
[21:51] <Azelphur> judgey: you know what that does?
[21:51] <judgey> no lol
[21:51] <Azelphur> wtf it sends your syslog too
[21:51] <judgey> its on forums :|
[21:52] <Azelphur> judgey: it's scanning your system, looking at everything you have installed, everything that's running, system logs,
[21:52] <Azelphur> and then sending it to bvidinli@gmail.com
[21:52] <Azelphur> wtf and it's adding nginx repositories even if you use apache
[21:52] <judgey> its on ubuntu forums i though it would be safe
[21:53] <Azelphur> maybe time to get a Ubuntu forum mod to take it down then, that things at best a major privacy violation
[21:53] <Azelphur> can you link the thread?
[21:53] <judgey> let try and find it sec
[21:54] <judgey> load of posts on the forums
[21:54] <judgey> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=82516017
[21:55] <Azelphur> bad :/
[21:55] <Azelphur> judgey: I'd be tempted to just reinstall ubuntu server to ensure all the crap this thing has done is gone
[21:56] <Azelphur> it's doing some very dodgy, weird things that it absolutely doesn't need to be doing
[21:56] <judgey> if there somthing eles i can use thats newbie freindly?
[21:56] <Azelphur> judgey: what does EHCP even do?
[21:56] <judgey> easy host control panel
[21:56] <judgey> or somthing
[21:57] <Azelphur> yay now I know what the acronym stands for but that doesn't answer the question
[21:57] <judgey> liek plesk
[21:57] <judgey> like
[21:57] <Azelphur> your aiming at reselling webspace?
[21:58] <judgey> no just for my forums and a private tracker
[21:58] <Azelphur> right so the answer is you don't need ehcp at all
[21:58] <Azelphur> lol
[21:59] <judgey> lol i dont know how eles todo it
[21:59] <Azelphur> for the love of FSM, what is "it"
[21:59] <judgey> i have tryed but allways get lost
[21:59] <judgey> like host my forums and install apche2 mysql
[22:00] <judgey> a web server
[22:00] <Azelphur> right, ehcp doesn't do any of that though
[22:00] <Azelphur> >.<
[22:00] <Azelphur> judgey: have you done much work, is it easy for you to just reinstall ubuntu server fresh?
[22:00] <judgey> yer all i have done is teh install of the server and ehcp
[22:00] <judgey> the
[22:01] <Azelphur> start off by doing that then, so we can get rid of the ehcp stuff
[22:01] <Azelphur> it looks rather dodgy :p
[22:01]  * diplo- agrees with Azelphur 
[22:01] <judgey> Azelphur: right this sec i dont have time, will u be about tomorrow?
[22:01] <judgey> and do u mind helping me?
[22:02] <judgey> i will uninstall this now tho ill do a reinstall of the os
[22:02] <Azelphur> judgey: I may be here, if I am I'll help
[22:02] <Azelphur> if not, sudo apt-get install tasksel && sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[22:02] <diplo-> Me 2
[22:02] <Azelphur> tada you have apache mysql php all setup >.>
[22:03] <Azelphur> (that's all install.sh does, only in a much more haphazard manner)
[22:03] <Azelphur> (on top of the mailing of various system information, too)
[22:03] <judgey> lol thats great Azelphur  and diplo-  ;) i wish it was that easy i allways get stuck
[22:03] <Azelphur> :)
[22:04] <judgey> u both uk?
[22:04] <Azelphur> I am, yes
[22:04] <diplo-> Where is the server located judgey at home ?
[22:04] <diplo-> Yep
[22:04] <judgey> no france OVH
[22:04] <Azelphur> judgey: kimsufi? :)
[22:04] <judgey> yer lol
[22:04] <Azelphur> not a bad choice, I know a few people who host with them
[22:05] <judgey> Kimsufi 16G
[22:05] <Azelphur> judgey: hehe, I have a slightly bigger server :)
[22:05] <judgey> ovh?
[22:05] <judgey> i wish i had more money
[22:05] <Azelphur> nah, http://reliablesite.net/v4/dedicated-server-detail.aspx?server=intel-core-i7-860
[22:05] <judgey> just money os tight
[22:05] <Azelphur> I needed the high connection quality
[22:06] <judgey> nice :)
[22:07] <judgey> i got the car MOT at 2pm so will be after that :) thanks for the heads up and i shall be back to bother u loads im sure :)
[22:08] <diplo-> As Azelphur says it's really easy to set up a basic install
[22:09] <judgey> can not wait now lol can not belive ehcp has all that bad stuff my bad
[22:10] <diplo-> For me, I just install from repos
[22:10] <diplo-> Rarely from anywhere else, you always get security upgrades and you know from a source you can trust
[22:11] <judgey> Ubuntu Server 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" --- Ubuntu Server 10.10 "Maverick Meerkat" --- Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx"
[22:11] <judgey> whats the diffrence?
[22:12] <judgey> its on my list of os i can install
[22:12] <diplo-> LTS is long term support
[22:12] <diplo-> So server gets 5 years i believe of security upgrades
[22:12] <diplo-> Where as mav and natty are i think 3 years
[22:12] <judgey> oic
[22:13] <diplo-> Depends if you want latest and greatest versions of php/mysql etc
[22:13] <diplo-> Or stable security.
[22:13] <diplo-> I personally run natty as i am not worried about being overly stable
[22:13] <diplo-> Well not stable..
[22:13] <shauno> I tend to recommend LTS for servers, unless you really want to babysit a major upgrade every 6 months.  because the other huge catch is that you can upgrade from one LTS to the next, every 2 years.  for non-LTS releases, you need to upgrade via each consecutive 6-monthly release
[22:14] <diplo-> And that's the other side :)
[22:14] <diplo-> Glad you typed that and not me
[22:14] <diplo-> :D
[22:14] <judgey> kool thx for heads up
[22:14] <judgey> i have dyslexia just so u know thats why my spelling is bad so not a kiddy :)
[22:14] <judgey> even tho its looks liek i am
[22:14] <judgey> by the way i type
[22:14] <judgey> like*
[22:15] <judgey> had to google dyslexia btw ;)
[22:15] <diplo-> Typing is fine, most people online don't type that well i find.
[22:16] <judgey> :)
[22:23] <judgey> oky im off night and will cya 2mos thanks again