[15:10] http://madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter.png [15:10] knome: [15:10] comments? [15:11] The < > are for iterating through users and sessinos [15:11] madnick: how will the user know that means that? [15:12] That is about as intuitive as the gear unity is using [15:12] So it should cleary state [15:12] please [15:12] Sessions: [15:12] okay [15:16] charlie-tca: how would you want it presented? Usability wise, a list that is always visable? [15:17] I don't care if the list itself is always there, but the identity of what the list is needs to be there. [15:17] ah [15:17] The idea that new users will not know anything anyway is fine for unity. That is their goal. Mine is users need to know what anything we put up means [15:18] If the user has to click everything on the page to guess what anything is, it fails [15:19] right now, since unity login defaults to the original user of the system, I get password failed on every login [15:19] There is nothing easy to show who is logging in, what session they are picking, where to pick a session, etc. [15:20] There is not even a blinking cursor to say you actually managed to select the password bos [15:20] s/bos/box [15:20] nope, they hide that [15:20] ok [15:20] So usability is priority 1 :) [15:20] Ill see what I can do [15:20] yes [15:21] If we have a pretty interface that is horrible to use, it fails [15:22] yeah [15:22] I would rather stay with the gtk greeter than have something remotely resembling unity right now [15:22] Sorry. I know that doesn't sound right, but usability is everything [15:23] Maybe I should explain what I was thinking :) I thought "default session -> default user -> enter password -> login" [15:23] I was thinking that was a clean way for new users not to poke around too much [15:24] But I do understand that It lacks explainatory features, and I will fix them [15:24] That works, but if a user doesn't know what to do to change a session??? [15:25] Yeah it must state Session there, I wouldnt understand it myself tbh when i think about it :P [15:25] Users do not know by tele-kinesis what we expect them to, even if Unity thinks they do [15:26] you mean tele-cognition? [15:26] i guess i could make a panel like in 11.04 [15:26] kinesis is when things move [15:26] More and more, designers are planning things that users "can learn to do", instead of "using it should not take learning" [15:26] for session selection [15:26] Thanks, TheSheep [15:26] charlie-tca: everything takes learning [15:27] on the bbottom :) [15:27] charlie-tca: the only intuitive interface is the nipple [15:27] TheSheep: does that mean we can't make it easy to learn? [15:27] charlie-tca: you can make it similar to other things you have learned [15:27] Obviously, you haven't tried the unity-greeter lately? [15:27] charlie-tca: but new people will find *that* awkward, as they will lack your exposure to windows 95 user interface [15:28] huh? [15:28] what did windows 95 have? [15:28] charlie-tca: unity is horrible, but not because of reinventing things [15:28] I liked the windows 3.1 login [15:28] heh [15:28] charlie-tca: it's horrible because of a really bad process of inventing and testing them [15:28] and no, I am not opposed to change :) [15:29] charlie-tca: no, I didn't see unity greeter, but I can imagine it [15:29] They have a gear now, which might be hidden by having too long a name, to click on to change sessions [15:30] why would you want to change sessions? ;) [15:30] You can have about 20 letters in name only now [15:30] I was thinking about switching to haiku [15:30] it has a nice and well thought out user interface [15:30] * charlie-tca slaps head. never occurred to him they don't want the user changing sessions [15:31] Hopefully, Xubuntu will have a nice, well thought out interface, too. [15:32] it's breaking down slowly [15:32] how do i see what version of lightdm is in the repo? [15:32] (using the channel bot) :P [15:32] madnick: we do still have crt users, too. Not everyone has high-quality, high-definition lcd or plasma displays yet. [15:32] !info lightdm [15:32] lightdm (source: lightdm): Display Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.3-0ubuntu2 (natty), package size 47 kB, installed size 236 kB [15:32] thanks [15:32] If you need the oneiric one, use [15:32] !info lightdm oneiric [15:33] lightdm (source: lightdm): Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 79 kB, installed size 356 kB [15:33] Since oneiric is development only at this time, it takes extra work to see the package [15:34] but that is a big jump in versions [15:35] I have to order another motherboard, I guess. This latest used computer I picked up just keeps failing [15:35] I guess that is what $10.00 US dollars buys now [15:38] http://madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/xubuntu-greeter-draft.png [15:38] quick change [15:38] ill do something about users also [15:38] But something like that (even tho it wont look like that, but you get the idea:)) [15:38] Sessions and keyboard settings at bottom [15:46] That's the idea. [15:46] Thank you [15:46] Don't let anyone tell you we don't want that, though [15:47] You can't make everyone happy, I know that. Trying to get all of us to agree will result in no display at all [15:49] speaking of that, the plymouth stuff; you wanted a package on monday? knome said he get back to me before friday, so i will have ~2 days :P [15:49] ochosi still not here [15:49] :( [15:49] If I was you, I would have a package ready or close to it. [15:49] charlie-tca: i do already ;) [15:49] I just have not built it yet [15:50] User interface freeze is August 25. We have to have it in before that [15:50] But all scripts etc are in place to just hit "build" [15:50] I see ochosi isn't here yet. Maybe he is on holidays this week too? [15:51] You can always ask TheSheep too. He is very good with critique of the work [15:51] :) [15:56] is it possible to set the background with the gtk greeter using lightdm-set-defaults? [15:59] I can't even seem to get rid of the unity-greeter here. Without it, lightdm won't start [15:59] charlie-tca: heh, I said that the other day :) [16:00] Got to have a new install, I guess [16:00] desktop images working today [16:01] Lightdm is working good with lightdm-gtk-greeter on fresh installs and live sessions [16:02] Guess I will remove it from this machine completely, and then reinstall it [16:02] I really dislike unity-greeter [16:03] I have reached the point of really, really not liking the way it works [16:06] I think lightdm needs package triggers [16:07] charlie-tca: can you try dpkg-reconfigure xubuntu-default-settings? [16:07] to get rid of unity-greeter? [16:09] $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xubuntu-default-settings [16:09] [sudo] password for charlie: [16:09] dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing [16:09] dpkg-maintscript-helper: warning: environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE missing [16:09] \o/ [16:09] * charlie-tca nods [16:10] charlie-tca: not to get rid of unity, but it should reconfigure lightdm to use the gtk greeter [16:10] I see [16:10] It doesn't run [16:10] in theory [16:10] heh [16:10] at least I don't think it did [16:13] well, mr_pouit made xubuntu-default-settings set certain env settings for lightdm IIRC [16:15] It seems very difficult this cycle to get the already installed stuff at the same place as the fresh installs [16:15] And I don't mean just us, either [16:20] I will be doing a fresh installation here for beta1, if not sooner [17:37] o hai (sorry for being silent for a week, but i've been a bit bored but all these lightdm issues, so I took a "forced" break until they did something :/) [17:38] micahg: dpkg-reconfiguring won't do, because the maintainer scripts only change lightdm's config if nothing is already defined [17:38] s/but/by/ [17:39] you can run manually: sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session=xubuntu [17:39] and sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --greeter=lightdm-gtk-greeter [17:39] (if you don't want to override any existing settings, add --keep-old [17:39] mr_pouit: cool, thanks [18:23] mr_pouit: the only problem I have with that is the "they" decided lightdm was finished and working, and I had to figure out what to push hard to get it fixed. [18:24] But anyway, it seems we got it done! [21:06] Seems a bit late for this mutliarch things :) [21:06] i mean ia32 wont live much longer :P [21:32] madnick: multiarch has been in progress since last cycle and will continue for a few more [21:40] :)