[02:12] <jjesse-netbook> ok quick question as i am working on documention, is Muon the default package manager in Oneric?
[02:14] <yofel> it is, as in both muon and muon-installer are installed by default
[02:14] <jjesse-netbook> awesome thanks yofel
[02:16] <jjesse-netbook> ok another question then running the ntebook version and in kate when i go file and then S for save nothing happens
[02:16] <jjesse-netbook> seems the secondary level dont work... file s for save or file q for quit doesnt work in Kate
[02:32] <ScottK> jjesse-netbook: Sounds like it needs a bug filed on bugs.kde.org.  It's certainly not on purpose.
[02:32] <jjesse-netbook> ScottK:  thanks its seems like i had this problem some previous releases ago
[02:32] <jjesse-netbook> under what package/option would i file fis?
[02:33] <ScottK> kate is it's own package in kde4.7.
[02:33] <jjesse-netbook> ok back
[02:33] <jjesse-netbook> looks like it is only affecting kate
[02:46] <jjesse-netbook> ok reported this to bugs: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280236
[07:30] <Quintasan> Morning
[07:39] <bambee> morning
[07:54] <stefan> hi guys - this is probably old news for you but i didn't find a bug-report
[07:54] <stefan> with today's updates i can't log in anymore
[07:54] <stefan> kdm shows a message-box with a warning
[07:54] <stefan> about qdbus - i found this in kdm.log:
[07:55] <stefan> klauncher(3467) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server. 
[07:55] <stefan> kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[07:55] <stefan>  
[07:55] <stefan> (i'm using 11.10)
[08:11] <bambee> I've probably dreamed , but a while ago a phonon video thumbnailer existed... no?
[08:12] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:13] <_StefanS_> I noticed a bug in the recent update to libqt4-dbus package, /usr/bin/qdbus is missing
[08:14] <_StefanS_> not sure who's managing this part
[08:14] <_StefanS_> or package
[08:14] <bambee> ohh you can use phonon via mplayerthumbs :)
[08:14] <stefan> _StefanS_: same problem for me
[08:15] <_StefanS_> I just took the old ubuntu4 package and copied the qdbus file in manually
[08:15] <stefan> _StefanS_: no answer yet, though... we'll just have to wait ;)
[08:15] <_StefanS_> then it works
[08:15] <_StefanS_> stefan: are they aware of this ?
[08:15] <_StefanS_> I like your name btw.
[08:16] <stefan> _StefanS_: hehe ;) i wrote a couple of minutes ago - no answer. then again, this is of course not the right place for bug reports 
[08:16] <_StefanS_> yea you're right, maybe we should spam kubuntu-devel mailinglist instead :D
[08:17] <stefan> actually, with your info on the package i can file a bug-report on launchpad
[08:18] <_StefanS_> oh please do if you have the time
[08:18] <_StefanS_> stefan: I think its simply some builderror noone noticed
[08:18] <_StefanS_> stefan: or a patch that omits the actual binary
[08:18] <stefan> _StefanS_: its actually more or less solved already: percentage <= min_community_part_
[08:19] <stefan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/827815
[08:19] <stefan> sorry for the garbage before...
[08:19] <_StefanS_> err I'm going to comment on that
[08:20] <_StefanS_> having qt4-dev-tools installed for normal operation sounds wrong
[08:21] <_StefanS_> stefan: thanks -  I'm off !
[08:42] <bambee> it's me or... mplayerthumbsconfig does absolutly NOTHING ?
[08:43] <jussi> ubiquity from the build of the 15th doesnt seem to work.
[08:55] <ulmlogger> bambee: i dont even know what it is
[08:55] <bambee> ulmlogger: seriously? it has been released with kde-multimedia
[08:55] <bambee> it does not work here
[08:56] <bambee> ulmlogger: it's a kioslave for video thumbnailing
[08:56] <ulmlogger> well
[08:56] <ulmlogger> config?
[08:56] <bambee> with two backends
[08:56] <bambee> mplayer and phonon
[08:56] <ulmlogger> the thumb aint called config :P
[08:56] <ulmlogger> also the code is crapz(tm)
[08:56]  * ulmlogger was -->>this<<-- close to propose removal from kdemm
[08:57] <bambee> mplayerthumbsconfig does not work
[08:59] <bambee> it uses a kconfigdialog (to use the kcfg class correctly),  I don't see the "settingsChanged" signal connected nor MplayerThumbsCfg::writeConfig() called... 
[08:59] <ulmlogger> wtf is it for?
[08:59] <ulmlogger> and why and when and how?
[09:00] <ulmlogger> wtf
[09:01] <bambee> mplayerthumbsconfig  is the gui used the select the video backend (mplayer/phonon) and to configure the kcfg class correctly
[09:01] <bambee> s/the select/to select/
[09:01] <kubotu> bambee meant: "mplayerthumbsconfig  is the gui used to select the video backend (mplayer/phonon) and to configure the kcfg class correctly"
[09:01] <bambee> additionnally you can clean the thumbnails cache... etc...
[09:02] <bambee> install mplayerthumbs and test it (using phonon as backend)
[09:02] <bambee> it does not work :)
[09:02] <bambee> (change the backend does not work too)
[09:06] <ulmlogger> bambee: because it is kaput
[09:06] <ulmlogger> the thumbers should all be removed
[09:06] <ulmlogger> and replaced with a phonon backend
[09:06] <bambee> I agree
[09:56] <bambee> ulmlogger: mplayerthumbs use VideoWidget::snapshot() (which is not implemented in pvlc nor pgst)
[09:56] <bambee> uses *
[09:57] <bambee> it should use videodataoutput imho
[10:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: Name = Jonathan Kolberg
[10:36] <bulldog98> Affiliation = Kubuntu Ninja
[10:38] <Riddell> congrats on your celebrity status bulldog98, nice article on dot news :)
[10:41] <bulldog98> Riddell: thanks
[13:16] <debfx> fabo: I'd like to convert gtk2-engines-oxygen to multiarch which requires moving the binaries to a new package
[13:16] <debfx> can we agree on a package name? gtk2-engines-oxygen-tools?
[13:19] <fabo> debfx: -bin
[13:20] <fabo> we have a bunch of packages prefixed -bin
[13:20] <debfx> fabo: ok, works for me
[13:21] <fabo> s/prefixed/suffixed ;)
[13:21]  * debfx has already purged ia32-libs :-)
[14:12] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[14:49] <rbelem> Quintasan, ping
[14:56] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[14:58] <Quintasan> rbelem: pong
[14:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, :-)
[14:59] <rbelem> Quintasan, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime-active-4.7 ?
[15:00] <Quintasan> I can merge it once I get home
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, ulmlogger acked 
[15:00] <Quintasan> I see.
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, oki :-)
[15:00] <Quintasan> I will merge and upload
[15:00] <Quintasan> or I think ScottK has to upload
[15:00] <rbelem> Quintasan, thks :-)
[15:00]  * Quintasan is not sure on who is uploading after FFe
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, maybe only ScottK 
[15:01] <Quintasan> rbelem: Do we have FFe for runtime?
[15:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[15:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/827283
[15:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: Awesome, could you also do FFe for s-l-c and plasma-mobile?
[15:03] <Quintasan> I will review and ack and ScottK can just upload
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, i will do that right now
[15:03] <Quintasan> Great.
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, lets add contour too
[15:03] <rbelem> :-)
[15:03] <rbelem> Quintasan, they announced today i think
[15:03]  * Quintasan has to get another FFe for workspace with KWin GL ES as well
[15:04] <Quintasan> Hmm, I am not sure if we want contour in repo
[15:04]  * Quintasan would like PPA better
[15:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, i'd go with a PPA too
[15:05] <shadeslayer> i've seen contour ... not so stable
[15:06] <rbelem> :'(
[15:06] <Quintasan> rbelem: Besides, PPA can be updated whenever you want
[15:06] <Quintasan> You can't really do that with archive
[15:06] <rbelem> that's the good side
[15:07] <Quintasan> rbelem: While you are at FFe, could you file one for kde-workspace and link the bug no. here?
[15:07]  * Quintasan is at driving license course right now
[15:07] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup ;-)
[15:08] <Quintasan> Thanks! 
[15:08] <rbelem> Quintasan, you are very welcome :-)
[15:08] <Quintasan> That would be getting much more done for oneeyerick
[15:09] <Quintasan> Too bad we are doing it after feature freeze :P
[15:14] <rbelem> Quintasan, there isn't how to do that before
[15:15] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i uploaded TH last night, went to sleep late doing the pakcage... today is digikam2 turn
[15:16] <_Groo_> Quintasan: sorry for the delay :P i had a few packaging problems
[15:31] <Quintasan> I myself didn't finish kwin gles up until today :) 
[15:33] <debfx> fabo: do we even need those oxygen-gtk programs? oxygen-gtk-deco seem to be broken, whatever it's supposed to be doing
[15:52] <Quintasan> duh
[15:52] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: lol, Im at the course and I forgot to turn off sounds, suddenly: I AM BULLETPROOF
[15:52] <Quintasan> someone sent me a text message
[15:56] <fabo> debfx: demo is useless, dunno for deco. we could ask upstream
[16:01]  * ulmlogger thinks ScottK is supposed to start a shitstorm WRT breaking qt
[16:04] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: pingpingpingopgp0ingoignpoigong
[16:04] <ulmlogger> {@!!!E!!
[16:13] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What exactly was broken?
[16:15] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: pong
[16:16] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: we need kubuntu tablet
[16:16] <ulmlogger> ASAP
[16:16] <ulmlogger> so
[16:17] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: dunno, qdbus was moved around, see mail on kubuntu-devel
[16:17] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: so, I have default settings semi-ready, if you could make sure that we get the packages in with help from Quintasan that would be super awesome
[16:17] <ulmlogger> also bulldog98 or Quintasan should poke cjwatson so that we get a tablet image going
[16:17] <Quintasan> Oh, ScottK told me to work with slangasek on it but I wasn't able to irc much until 17
[16:20] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: When I'm supposed to ping him to get tablet image rolling?
[16:23] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: now ^^
[16:23] <Quintasan> lol
[16:24] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: I guess we'll need a seed and then he can do the setup in ubuntu-cd and stuff
[16:24] <Quintasan> Do we have a seed?
[16:24] <ulmlogger> ScottK actually might know the process of getting an image better than me
[16:24] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: not yet
[16:25] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: for now we could just use desktop as the seed, I suppose we should talk about the relations between seeds
[16:25] <ulmlogger> I think that tablet should be part of the mobile seed branch
[16:25] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: actually cancel that
[16:25] <ulmlogger> hold on
[16:25] <ulmlogger> let me think
[16:25] <Quintasan> How about you do that?
[16:25]  * ulmlogger is busy with phonon and kde stuff unfortunately
[16:26] <ulmlogger> also I'll need to get the settings done as bulldog98 and I are the only people with a tablet
[16:26] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: so it might make sense to simply merge tablet into mobile and perhaps rename mobile
[16:27]  * bulldog98 hasn’t got too much time, since my grandma is visiting us
[16:27] <ulmlogger> as both require touch-enabled interfaces it would make sense to be the same image, or at least in the same seed branch (as we had with netbook and desktop)
[16:27]  * ulmlogger waves fist at bulldog98
[16:27] <ulmlogger> well, doing settings now
[16:27] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: but I’ll do as much as possible
[16:27] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: lets wait with the seeds until ScottK is available so we can talk this over
[16:28] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: you just need to delegate the upload process and stuff :P
[16:28]  * ulmlogger tests his settings package
[16:29] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: send it too me, cause the current one doesn’t works well
[16:29] <debfx> fabo: deco just displays two weird windows. seems to be a test tool for window decorations
[16:31] <Quintasan> rbelem: How are FFe's?
[16:32] <markey> good evening from Ulm :)
[16:32] <markey> ulmlogger (Harald Sitter) is sitting next to me
[16:32] <Quintasan> We kinda noticed that :P
[16:33] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:33] <bulldog98> Quintasan: +1
[16:35] <rbelem> Quintasan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/828111 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/828159 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/828093
[16:35] <rbelem> :-)
[16:35] <Quintasan> Awesome
[16:35]  * Quintasan is building kwin-gles and testing it
[16:36]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[16:37] <shadeslayer> "Team to pring the power of plasma active to Kubuntu."
[16:37] <shadeslayer> fun
[16:37] <Quintasan> pring?
[16:37] <Quintasan> :O
[16:37] <shadeslayer> hehe ;P
[16:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: that one is good :)
[16:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fix it on your team lp page
[16:40] <Quintasan> How am I responsible for THAT?
[16:40] <Quintasan> I'm not even a member :P
[16:40] <Quintasan> yofel: ^^
[16:41] <shadeslayer> hahah :P
[16:46] <Quintasan> and kde-workspace runs with -j1
[16:46] <Quintasan> I wonder wtf
[16:46] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: ping
[16:46] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: pong
[16:47] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Is it possible to build only kwin and kwineffects from whole kde-workspace or one would need to patch the source?
[16:47] <mgraesslin> you need the kde-workspace libraries around
[16:48] <mgraesslin> if you have that you can run cmake in workspace directory and afterwards compile only kwin
[16:48] <Quintasan> Well, now I'm essentialy double-building workspace but in another directory
[16:50] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: compile kde-workspace -> install it -> go to debian/build-kwin-gles -> build workspace with GLES -> install to debian/tmp-kwin-gles <--- that's how we do it now (in short)
[16:50] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:50] <Quintasan> That won't work too
[16:51] <mgraesslin> the easiest solution is to pull the build system changes from master
[16:51] <Quintasan> How do they work?
[16:52] <mgraesslin> it builds kwin twice: once as kwin and once as kwin_gles binary
[16:52] <Quintasan> :O
[16:52] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: ^^^
[16:53] <Quintasan> Can we somehow magically patch the source and think it will go unnoticed?
[16:53] <mgraesslin> but it's only a temporary solution till kwin can load the right backend at runtime
[16:53] <Quintasan> Well, now I'm DOUBLE building the whole workspace
[16:53] <Quintasan> :S
[16:54]  * mgraesslin does that all the time in the CI system
[16:57] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: Well, that temporary solution is better than building whole workspace, would be the diff to source code big?
[16:57] <mgraesslin> mostly CMake files are changed
[16:59] <Quintasan> Hmmmmmm.
[16:59] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101979/
[16:59] <CIA-52> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Rohan Garg * 117 * bin/astyle-kubuntu Update arguments passed to astyle for astyle versions 2.01 and upwards
[16:59] <mgraesslin> and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/102002/
[17:00] <mgraesslin> but the kwineffects library has been split into kwineffects and kwingl(es)utils libraries
[17:00] <Quintasan> GLES doesn't work with NVIDIA driver?
[17:00] <mgraesslin> yes
[17:00] <mgraesslin> in 4.7 there is still GL code in kwineffects
[17:01] <mgraesslin> so you would have to change the patches to keep one library and build just kwineffects twice
[17:01] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: IS there a list of working drivers?
[17:04] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: what have you installed on your tablet an modified?
[17:05] <bulldog98> to get it working
[17:05] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: no, radeon works fine, nouveau sometimes, Intel mostly
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ^^ \o/
[17:06] <shadeslayer> now if only radeon could ... wait a minute
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ZOMG
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ulmlogger: bulldog98 yofel NO MORE AMD UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE OVERLAY
[17:07] <shadeslayer> booya
[17:07] <shadeslayer> i just noticed that :P
[17:10] <ulmlogger> bulldog98: plasma-mobile & runtime & libs & share-like-connect
[17:10] <ulmlogger> settings will be up in a bit
[17:10] <ulmlogger> currently having dinnger
[17:11] <bulldog98> ulmlogger: have you added the PPA?
[17:11] <ulmlogger> nope
[17:11] <ulmlogger> all from git
[17:13] <debfx> ScottK: do I need a FFe to build gtk2-engines-oxygen for multiarch?
[17:18] <shadeslayer> debfx: question, i don't understand why we need to re/build packages for multiarch
[17:18] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[17:18] <shadeslayer> i mean, all multiarch does is give x86_64 users access to x86 packages right?
[17:22] <Quintasan> rbelem: Were patched kdelibs uploaded? I want to testbuild s-l-c before advocating
[17:24] <Quintasan> We have to wait for ScottK anyways, since only he can do anything about uploading
[17:27]  * shadeslayer wonders whats the best way to strangle DBus
[17:32] <micahg> debfx: I can tell you that slangasek has requested and FFe in the past for multiarch since it has the potential to break other applications that use the package in question
[17:34] <micahg> shadeslayer: multiarch changes where files are stored on the fs which can break applications which make improper assumptions about file locations
[17:34] <shadeslayer> oh ..
[17:35] <shadeslayer> did i mention the new apport package is broken?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/110857/
[17:40] <micahg> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/apport/1.21.3-0ubuntu4
[17:40] <shadeslayer> aw
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i already fixed that myself
[17:47] <bambee> ulmlogger: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/desktop-summit-akademy-guadec-group-photo-2011.html  <-- where are you?
[17:57] <yofel> shadeslayer: oh fun, fixing
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: wait, what are you talking about?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> neon?
[17:58] <yofel> no, 'pring' :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:59]  * bambee has a new game... "where is harald?"... the goal is simple, you must find harald on the ds photo in 5 minutes... good luck :P
[18:00] <bambee> the winner wins a cookie, a beer and a chocolate :D
[18:06] <yofel> bambee: make that find rohan, more of a challange :P
[18:07] <bambee> mouarf :P
[18:07] <bambee> indeed...actually I've only found Riddell, valorie and you
[18:12] <bambee> trying to find lydia too...
[18:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i'm hidden behind Vishesh Handa xD
[18:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, it is in the https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa
[18:18] <Quintasan> nope, it is on REVU
[18:18] <Quintasan> new packages are on revu
[18:18] <rbelem> Quintasan, about the kdelibs
[18:18] <Quintasan> ppa packages are not really a material to submit imo
[18:19] <Quintasan> oh
[18:19] <rbelem> #:-D
[18:19] <Quintasan> we need it in archive
[18:19] <rbelem> Quintasan, to testbuild slc
[18:47] <Quintasan> rbelem: You've got a nice business card
[18:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can one use Ubuntu font for business cards?
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, business card?
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, i uploaded latest slc to revu
[19:01] <rbelem> Quintasan, the openbossa one?
[19:01] <Quintasan> yeah
[19:02] <rbelem> :-D
[19:02]  * Quintasan suddenly wanted to have his own business card
[19:02]  * yofel needs a kubuntu business card..
[19:02] <Quintasan> Makes me look professional
[19:02] <yofel> +1 ^^
[19:02] <Quintasan> yofel: Use gLabels dude
[19:03] <yofel> haven't tried that yet, thanks
[19:03] <Quintasan> sheytan did some but I can't no longer find them nor I think printing them would be cost-effective
[19:07] <sheytan> Quintasan http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6il10
[19:14] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/88J20.png
[19:14] <Quintasan> Here is what I did
[19:14] <Quintasan> :P
[19:15]  * Quintasan thinks we could include icons for contact info
[19:15] <Quintasan> but I have to go:P
[19:15] <Quintasan> brb
[19:55] <_Groo_> gn guys, gonna go home, have digikam2 to upload :P
[20:00] <debfx> micahg: moving a gtk2 theme to a multiarch path can't really break applications
[20:00] <muntiKubu> can't login to 11.10. kdm is saying  'can't start Dbus. can you call qdbus?'. ??
[20:01] <debfx> muntiKubu: known bug, as a workaround you can install qt4-dev-tools
[20:01] <micahg> debfx: in theory it would break anything looking for it in a hardcoded dir
[20:01] <muntiKubu> debfx: ok..will try. thnks
[20:03] <debfx> micahg: well sure, the theme could stop working but that doesn't really break applications
[20:03] <debfx> but I'll just ask for a FFe
[20:50] <ScottK> debfx: We've been doing FFe for multi-arch changes.
[20:56] <Quintasan> yofel: What do you think about the plain-ol' business card of mine?
[20:56] <yofel> ~ok, although I would move the 'kubuntu' to the top right corner
[20:57] <yofel> and maybe some font size changes
[20:57] <yofel> but not sure there
[20:57] <Quintasan> We need designers!
[20:58]  * bambee thinks to sheytan
[21:01] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ping nuno :)
[21:01] <bulldog98> or agateau
[21:04] <debfx> ScottK: bug #828360
[21:04] <ScottK> debfx: Please attach the diff and then ask slangasek to review.
[21:07] <bambee> fringe ... this serie rocks... really ... <3
[21:08] <Quintasan> I'm pushing kwin-gles branch, can anyone review?
[21:08] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you upload modified kdelibs and runtime?
[21:08] <ScottK> After I approve the FFe.
[21:08] <ScottK> Did I do that already?
[21:09] <Quintasan> Where the hell is Rodrigo?
[21:09] <ScottK> I'll probably need a nap anyway.
[21:09] <Quintasan> Pullin' a Rodrigo I guess
[21:09] <ScottK> Speaking of Rodrigo.
[21:09] <Quintasan> Yeah.
[21:09] <Quintasan> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/827286 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/827283
[21:09] <Quintasan> Both have ulmlogger's ack
[21:10] <Quintasan> Once I'm done with pushing kde-workspace I'll attach a diff to my FFe
[21:11] <Quintasan> yofel: pingo
[21:11] <yofel> like pongo
[21:11] <Quintasan> Feelin' like reviewin' mah gles branch?
[21:12] <yofel> sure
[21:12] <Quintasan> Now with fixed' library
[21:12] <Quintasan> Let me push this stupid branch
[21:12] <Quintasan> 20mb lol
[21:12] <Quintasan> Someone must have pushed some pornon in there at some point
[21:13] <Quintasan> yofel: IMHO the logo should be a little bit smaller :S
[21:15] <Quintasan> yofel: How about we get Rodrigo get the guy who designed his business card to design something for us?
[21:15] <Quintasan> yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/551
[21:15] <Quintasan> This
[21:15] <yofel> heh, sure. But IMO the logo is ok, but it's in the wrong corner and the other text is mis-aligned
[21:16] <yofel> the card is a tad too... plain though
[21:16] <Quintasan> Here is http://i.imgur.com/xvV1q.png
[21:16] <yofel> there are ubuntu example cards, those aren't too bad
[21:16] <Quintasan> Where?
[21:16] <Quintasan> Never seen em'
[21:16] <Quintasan> I might steal something
[21:17]  * yofel hits the wiki
[21:17] <Quintasan> Oh there
[21:17] <Quintasan> ...
[21:17] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BusinessCards
[21:17] <Quintasan> "You have won $350000000" from Google Lottery
[21:18] <Quintasan> Seems legit.
[21:18] <shadeslayer> of course :P
[21:18] <Quintasan> yofel: Well, TBH the fonts there look like !@$$%#@
[21:19] <Quintasan> And try printing those :/
[21:19] <yofel> the one from Jacob is nice, but it's missing content
[21:19] <Quintasan> rbelem's is black, meaning you get black paper and print the hell out of it
[21:19] <shadeslayer> anyone seen this :http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/dash_home_11.10.png ?
[21:19] <yofel> I wouldn't go for black, but there's defenitely not enough blue on yours
[21:20] <Quintasan> not enough blue? :DDDDD
[21:20] <Quintasan> brb fixing
[21:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: What is this? Looks like err
[21:20] <Quintasan> bleh
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:20] <yofel> well, blue dots with shadow like on plymouth in a corner would look nice (if it fits)
[21:21] <shadeslayer> i can't quite figure out wth is being done on the screen :P
[21:21] <yofel> that is *far* too translucent and hurts my eyes just looking at it
[21:21] <Quintasan> MAKE IT FULL OF RAINBOWS
[21:21] <Quintasan> :D
[21:22] <shadeslayer> altho ... it actually is pretty neat in terms of a touch friendly interface
[21:22] <shadeslayer> nice large buttons
[21:22] <yofel> yeah, but make the dash darker
[21:22] <shadeslayer> less ... translucent
[21:23] <yofel> right, and this "window" border looks gross
[21:24]  * Quintasan has no design sense
[21:25] <yofel> agreed :P
[21:25] <yofel> then again, mine isn't much better I think
[21:25] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/aBrdz.png I heard you want blue so we put blue in your text so you can poke your eyeballs while you use your eyes
[21:25]  * Quintasan does the "No design sense" dance and runs away
[21:25] <yofel> for the fingerprint that's actually not bad...
[21:25]  * yofel would've used some gray level
[21:26] <Quintasan> "Close without saving"
[21:26] <bulldog98> Quintasan: actually it looks quite good
[21:26] <Quintasan> lol
[21:26] <Quintasan> Troll is a art
[21:27] <ulmlogger> bambee: no where
[21:27] <ulmlogger> I only attended the intersting bits
[21:28]  * Quintasan thinks the sheytan ones are nice but printing those would be "Y U SO EXPENSIVE BUSINESS CARDS?!"
[21:28] <bambee> oh ok
[21:28] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/551
[21:28] <Quintasan> How does that look?
[21:30] <yofel> hm
[21:30] <yofel> Conflicts: kde-window-manager (= ${binary:Version})
[21:30] <bulldog98> Quintasan: link to sheytan’s desing?
[21:30] <yofel> are you sure that should be '=' ?
[21:30] <Quintasan> Hmm, more like =<
[21:31] <yofel> yeah
[21:31] <Quintasan> bulldog98: http://www.sendspace.com/file/n6il10
[21:31] <Quintasan> Apart from that?
[21:32] <bulldog98> tnx
[21:32] <Quintasan> Ahh, shouldn't kde-window-manager conflict with -gles as well? :S
[21:32]  * Quintasan fixes
[21:33] <Quintasan> nope
[21:33] <Quintasan> not =<
[21:33] <Quintasan> >= :P
[21:34] <yofel> er, >= ?
[21:34] <yofel> why?
[21:34] <Quintasan> greater or equal, right?
[21:34] <yofel> well, why greater?
[21:35] <yofel> or I'm too tired...
[21:35] <Quintasan> If you think like that we can make it =
[21:35] <Quintasan> Since you can't have BOTH installed at the same time
[21:36] <Quintasan> And you won't get -gles package before that upload
[21:36] <Quintasan> :P
[21:36] <yofel> IMO <= would be right. Also, looking at the policy you can junk the Breaks part if you use Conflicts
[21:36]  * Quintasan drops the breaks then
[21:37] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: What the hell I'm supposed to use =< , = or >=?
[21:37] <Quintasan> <= lesser or equal
[21:37] <Quintasan> ARGH
[21:37] <Quintasan> You even made me confused
[21:37] <Quintasan> FFS
[21:37] <yofel> ^^
[21:38] <bambee> <= lesser or equal than, >= greater or equal than, = exactly equal to ,  << stricly lesser than
[21:39]  * Quintasan goes with >=
[21:39] <Quintasan> I also think we should make libkwineffects conflict with each other
[21:39] <Quintasan> really
[21:40]  * yofel doesn't get why we need to conflict against future packages, but whatever
[21:40] <Quintasan> brrr
[21:40]  * Quintasan drops conflicts on library and testbuilds to see what happens when he installs
[21:41] <yofel> uh, the libs should conflict each other right, but I think it's enough if you add that to one of them
[21:41] <Quintasan> final edition is http://paste.kde.org/111085
[21:41] <Quintasan> Only conflicts, right?
[21:42] <yofel> conflicts is enough, but the libs should conflict too
[21:43] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/111097
[21:44] <yofel> I still don't agree with the >, otherwise fine
[21:44] <Quintasan> BRRR
[21:44] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: PING
[21:44] <Quintasan> or ScottK
[21:45] <Quintasan> One of them should be able to enlighten us
[21:46] <bulldog98> Quintasan: I can’t download that
[21:46] <Quintasan> brr
[21:46] <Quintasan> bulldog98: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/kubuntu-buisnesscard-dark.svg.tar.gz
[21:47] <bulldog98> Quintasan: thx
[21:48] <Quintasan> yofel: IMO, why on Earth should we conflict with EARLIER version you are not going to have?
[21:48] <yofel> because you don't want to fix that in the NEXT upload?
[21:48] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:49] <Quintasan> Makes sense
[21:49] <Quintasan> Let's see what policy says
[21:49] <yofel> or rather, if you use >=, and build ubuntu6 and have ubuntu5 installed, it WILL break
[21:50] <Quintasan> That makes even more sense
[21:52] <Quintasan> Also, why do I have Conflicts on -gles as well?
[21:52] <Quintasan> BRRR
[21:57] <Quintasan> yofel: <pinheiro> Quintasan: just use our wallpapers and moo
[21:57] <Quintasan> :D
[21:58] <yofel> lol
[22:01] <Quintasan> moo as in http://uk.moo.com/c
[22:02] <Quintasan> -c
[22:06] <Quintasan> WHERE THE HELL ARE WALLPAPERS IN GIT?
[22:11] <yofel> Quintasan: they're in svn
[22:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can use the Ubuntu font for anything you like (same as any font, there's no copyright law in that regard)
[22:14] <Quintasan> oooh Riddell is here
[22:14] <Quintasan> :D
[22:15] <Riddell> dobry wieczór
[22:15] <Quintasan> !!!!!!
[22:16] <Riddell> gosh, how do you even begin to pronounce wieczór?
[22:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: Apparently "This is pronounced as “DOH-brayh VEE-choorh”."
[22:18] <Quintasan> I mean, our grammar is even more fck up
[22:22] <bulldog98> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/668665/
[22:23] <yofel> yes?
[22:23] <yofel> ah thanks
[22:24] <Quintasan> yofel: uk.moo.com
[22:24] <Quintasan> LOOK AT THE READY DESIGNS
[22:24] <Quintasan> SPACE INVADERS
[22:24]  * Quintasan orders 1000
[22:25] <yofel> hehe
[22:26] <yofel> hm, they're even affordable
[22:28] <bulldog98> yofel: how do you set ninjas?
[22:28] <yofel> I just set ninja=1 when calling pbuilder: sudo -E ninja=1 pbuilder build...
[22:28] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[22:29] <yofel> you need to edit the sources list by hand though after creating the basetgz
[22:30] <bulldog98> yofel: that was what I’m up to right now :)
[22:36] <ulmlogger> Quintasan: pong
[22:37] <Quintasan> nvm
[22:37] <ulmlogger> ok
[22:45] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/ku0y3.png
[22:45] <Quintasan> FRONT
[22:46] <Quintasan> http://i.imgur.com/oF4xR.png
[22:46] <Quintasan> back
[22:54] <Quintasan> ulmlogger: Do you has KDE e.V business card?
[22:54] <ulmlogger> well, I am e.v. member yet I do not know about it
[22:54] <ulmlogger> the e.v. is a big time mess
[22:55] <ulmlogger> I blame Nightrose
[22:56]  * Quintasan demands Kubuntu business card
[22:57] <Quintasan> I'm not designer-ish enought to get something good looking done
[22:57]  * yofel needs some time to think about his design
[22:57] <Quintasan> services over at moo seem to be good
[22:57] <Quintasan> for printing
[22:57] <Quintasan> just give me a design
[22:58] <Quintasan> No matter how you look at it rbelem has superior business card
[22:58]  * yofel hasn't seen his
[22:59] <Quintasan> let me scan em
[22:59]  * Quintasan abandons the design warship
[22:59] <yofel> I got a redhat and a collabora one at the key signing session
[23:00] <yofel> I can't say I like the design much though...
[23:00] <yofel> at least not the front
[23:02] <Quintasan> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/TBGMt.jpg
[23:02] <Quintasan> and http://i.imgur.com/UjbTF.jpg
[23:02] <Quintasan> The third one has the other side white so I didn't bother :P
[23:02] <bulldog98> yofel: is icecc fixed in oneiric?
[23:03] <yofel> it is
[23:03] <bulldog98> by whom?
[23:03] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, not too bad. But not quite my taste either
[23:03] <yofel> bulldog98: fabo fixed it in debian and we synced
[23:04]  * bulldog98 hugs fabo
[23:05] <Quintasan> no matter where I slap the Kubuntu logo it doesn't somehow fit
[23:05] <Quintasan> we might have a crappy logo
[23:05] <Quintasan> :S
[23:06] <yofel> the 'kubuntu' part is ok, but the tiny icon looks totally off
[23:07] <Quintasan> MAKE IT BIGGER
[23:07] <Quintasan> BIGGER IS GOOD
[23:07] <Quintasan> :S
[23:07] <yofel> that looks even more horrible
[23:07] <Quintasan> brrr
[23:07] <yofel> put the icon at the backside
[23:07] <Quintasan> !
[23:07] <Quintasan> You mean
[23:07] <Quintasan> white background
[23:08] <yofel> although I was wondering if I should put a KDE-ish logo there
[23:08] <Quintasan> only the blue gears there in the middle
[23:08] <yofel> for example
[23:08] <Quintasan> and on the other side your info with kubuntu
[23:08] <Quintasan> Meh
[23:08] <Quintasan> I'm tired
[23:08] <Quintasan> Good night.
[23:08] <yofel> gn
[23:13] <rbelem> ulmlogger, ping
[23:14] <rbelem> Quintasan, sleep tight :-)
[23:14] <rbelem> ScottK, ping
[23:17] <ulmlogger> rbelem: pong
[23:18] <rbelem> ulmlogger, i will postpone fileshare stuff. afiestaas asked me to work on the kfileplaces
[23:19] <ulmlogger> ok
[23:19] <rbelem> ulmlogger, he thinks that it higher priority 
[23:20] <rbelem> ulmlogger, and it will be ready for 11.10 :-)
[23:20] <ulmlogger> I have no idea what kfileplaces is, but if alex thinks it is more important I'll trust his judegment :)
[23:21] <rbelem> ulmlogger, it is the places from dolphin and file select dialogs
[23:21] <ulmlogger> rbelem: ah, the sidebar thing?
[23:21] <rbelem> ulmlogger, yup
[23:22] <ulmlogger> what is there to be done?
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, refactoring
[23:22] <ulmlogger> I see
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, to a better look
[23:22] <rbelem> ulmlogger, and more networking funcionality
[23:23] <ulmlogger> oh, that i really over due
[23:23] <ulmlogger> sllll
[23:23] <ulmlogger> bleeh, I am drunk :D
[23:24] <rbelem> ulmlogger, :-D
[23:24] <ulmlogger> also I am talking to way too many people at once :D
[23:25] <ulmlogger> I blame it all on Ulm, it makes you wanna drink more, pretty horrible I might say :P
[23:25] <rbelem> nice :-D ulmlogger is a multi threaded guy
[23:25] <rbelem> :-D
[23:25] <ulmlogger> multi thread with segfaults :P
[23:25] <rbelem> hahahaha
[23:27]  * rbelem misses these moments with the kubuntu team
[23:27] <rbelem> :-D
[23:34] <yofel> ok, glabels is far too simple of an app for the design I have in mind..
[23:35] <bulldog98> yofel: write klabels and make it better :P
[23:36] <yofel> nah, I think what I have in my mind is complicated enough to require inkscape or krita ^^
[23:37] <rbelem> yofel, do you know if kdelibs and -runtime got uploaded?
[23:37] <yofel> no
[23:37] <yofel> and no
[23:37] <rbelem> :'(