[00:06] <U236Willy> probably the first gui program to burn BD but, I think the ability via growisofs existed earlier on the cli
[00:11] <Daskreech> U236Willy: Excellent point :)
[00:14] <Guest40550> hi
[00:17] <Guest40550> well i was thinking to Ubuntu or Kubuntu but idk the difference between these 2
[00:17] <Guest40550> can help me plz
[00:17] <rww> !kubuntu
[00:18] <Guest40550> ok idk i rly like kubuntu
[00:18] <Guest40550> my problem is i want to every program that can be run on Ubuntu also can run on kubuntu?
[00:20] <rww> Yes, it should be fine either way. GNOME apps work in KDE, and KDE apps work in GNOME.
[00:20] <Guest40550> hmm so they are the same but they look different
[00:21] <Guest40550> thanks also both are gr8
[00:22] <Guest40550> but i like to keep kubuntu
[00:22] <Guest40550> it's a fun os
[00:23] <Guest40550> well the Southbridge chip in my is failing and windows is not working even the safe mode
[00:23] <Guest40550> but this os is working fine
[00:24] <Guest40550> i have 1 more problem
[00:24] <Guest40550> i have problem with playing .ts files
[00:25] <Guest40550> the KMplayer play it but not like it do it on win
[00:25] <Guest40550> seeking wont work
[00:26] <Guest40550> the file it's a stream take from my TV
[00:28] <U236Willy> Guest40550: use mplayer from the command line
[00:29] <Guest40550> whats that?
[00:29] <U236Willy> that's opening konsole and running mplayer from it
[00:29] <Guest40550> ok what command
[00:29] <U236Willy> imho... i don't like the kmplayer gui... i'm not able to control it like i can at the command line.
[00:30] <U236Willy> mplayer file.ts
[00:30] <Guest40550> plz tell me how to do it
[00:30] <szal> Guest40550: he just did
[00:30] <Guest40550> oh
[00:30] <Guest40550> got it
[00:30] <Guest40550> what about kaffeine and smplayer ?
[00:31] <szal> KMPlayer and SMPlayer are quite obviously frontends to MPlayer, Kaffeine is KDE's own multimedia player primarily for video
[00:31] <Guest40550> hmm ok
[00:32] <Guest40550> thanks
[00:34] <Guest40550> wow thats cool
[00:34] <Guest40550> how i set the AR to 16:10
[00:36] <szal> the what?
[00:36] <Guest40550> oh
[00:36] <Guest40550> Aspect ratio
[00:40] <Guest40550> well runing it from command is a bit hard but fun
[00:44] <U236Willy> sorry i had to take a call
[00:44] <Guest40550> np
[00:44] <Guest40550> smplay works gr8
[00:44] <U236Willy> everything from the command line can be altered
[00:45] <U236Willy> so i don't know ... wait
[00:45] <ionite> are there any patches for KDE?
[00:45] <U236Willy> remember this command -> man mplayer | grep -i 'aspect' (one word -- or whatever you want to look up)
[00:46] <ionite> what the's most recommended messenger service for KDE?
[00:46] <Guest40550> what is mplayer gui?
[00:48] <bazhang> !im > ionite
[00:49] <ionite> bazhang: i tried kopete but it doesn't connects me to my messenger service at all. so i removed it.
[00:50] <bazhang> ionite, then please provide more info as to your exact needs, the errors you get and so on
[00:50] <Guest40550> i have to say SMPlayer is rly better than KMplayer
[00:52] <ionite> bazhang:  there's no errors. i input my MSN service and my login details but it doesn't show anything on my MSN list. offline users and so on.
[00:53] <Guest40550> thanks also for the commands :)
[00:54] <U236Willy> when you use the command line you can use your keyboard to change playback quite a bit
[00:54] <U236Willy> i like using the arrow keys to move around a file.
[00:54] <Guest40550> hmm ok thanks :)
[00:55] <ionite> how do i check what's my graphics capacity?
[00:56] <U236Willy> so.. you can look over the manpage 'man mplayer' at the command line and there's alot of power in the command line version that most graphical frontends (kmplayer/smplayer/etc) don't build into it... it's like a swiss-army knife of video and is far to extensive to put into something pretty.
[00:56] <Guest40550> hmm also it can convert?
[00:57] <avihay> ionite: I like kopete, but it behaves strange, not connecting in some networks I use, partially connecting at other networks. I looked through a few alternatives and settled for Pidgin. it's cross-platform and it used to have a different name
[00:58] <ionite> avihay: great! :) btw do u know how can i check for my graphics card capacity?
[00:58] <Guest40550> mplayer can convert files also?
[01:00] <avihay> ionite: umm, if you mean what your card can do, then ther's a program called glxinfo to list what your card supports
[01:01] <ionite> avihay: so what do i do? install it? can it be found in the synaptics manager?
[01:03] <ionite> avihay: besides that. doesn't KDE have it's own software to show the infos for graphics, ram, processor, etc?
[01:04] <Guest40550> ok thanks a lot for the commands well i gtg now
[01:05] <U236Willy> mplayer can.. but most use mencoder for video conversion or a
[01:05] <U236Willy> different program altogehter
[01:05] <Guest40550> oh ok
[01:05] <ionite> doesn't KDE have it's own software to show the infos for graphics, ram, processor, etc?
[01:05] <U236Willy> kinfocenter
[01:06] <U236Willy> or 'system monitor'
[01:07] <Guest40550> mencoder is it by command line?
[01:07] <U236Willy> but of course
[01:08] <U236Willy> and the list of flags for that is equally as long and extensive
[01:08] <U236Willy> i think devede was a mencoder gui frontend
[01:09] <Guest40550> kk let me look
[01:09] <Guest40550> it's downloading the KPackageKit list
[01:10] <jmichaelx> would anyone here know whether or not it is possible to get the calendar widget in kde 4.7 to appear and behave similar to the way it did in 4.6?
[01:11] <Guest40550> yes it's for DVD making
[01:14] <Guest40550> yap thats also cool
[01:14] <Guest40550> sorry i gtg so take care bye
[01:14] <Guest40550> thanks a lot
[01:15] <yofel> jmichaelx: if you disable displaying events in the widgets calendar settings the 2nd panel should go away
[01:15] <jmichaelx> yofel: it doesn't go away
[01:16] <jmichaelx> yofel: nor does it quit displaying events, apparently
[01:16] <yofel> file a bug, for me it does on one system but doesn't on this one, I didn't file a bug yet though
[01:16] <ionite> U236Willy: but i can't see my graphics memory because it's integrated
[01:17] <jmichaelx> yofel: if a person filed a report for every bug in kde 4.7, they'd have work to last for a very long time
[01:17] <yofel> so? they have time till 4.7.5 to fix them ^^
[01:18] <jmichaelx> yofel: this is KDE, you know that it does not work that way
[01:18] <jmichaelx> many KDE bugs live on and on
[01:18] <yofel> well yeah, but if people don't file bugs they don't get fixed either
[01:18] <yofel> rather even less
[01:18] <jmichaelx> yofel, the bugs that get reported ofyen never get fixed, either
[01:19] <jmichaelx> often*
[01:19] <U236Willy> ionite: this is true... I'm not sure how to monitor that
[01:19] <yofel> that's true for most software. Filing a bug does give you at least a minimal chance that it'll be fixed though
[01:21] <jmichaelx> yofel: i do totally agree with you on that, although i maintain that there is a persistent and significant quality control problem with KDE (as much as i do very much like this DE)
[01:23] <U236Willy> i'm just now coming back
[01:23] <U236Willy> i loved kde ... i was a diehard
[01:23] <jmichaelx> ach... i do need to learn how to become more involve. if only to work on squashing the bugs i hate so much
[01:23] <U236Willy> then 8.10 just broke so hard... i went back to gnome waiting for the dust to clear.... NOW i'm falling in love again.
[01:23] <avihay> I agree, for example, there's the screen corner behaviour setting, in one version, setting a corner prevent screen locking caused putting the pointer there to lock the screen instead. that issue dragged along for about a year...
[01:24] <jmichaelx> U236Willy: yes, i moved to xfce for a while, at the time kde started trying to call their alpha software 'release quality'... but i was back again by 4.2
[01:25] <jmichaelx> (i am speaking of kde4.0)
[01:26] <U236Willy> i think at the time 8.10 was merging into kde3
[01:28] <jmichaelx> linus torvalds made a statement once that sometimes devs need to be told to shut up for a while, and spend some time listening to the feelings expressed by the people who use their software
[01:28] <jmichaelx> right now, both gnome and ubuntu/unity devs need to take some of that advice
[01:29] <U236Willy> unity is what made me install kubuntu and mint on separate drives..
[01:29] <yofel> I don't quite agree with him there. If the project is small enough - ok, but for large projects you need a Q/A team to filter that input or the devs will drown in chaotic user input
[01:31] <jmichaelx> yofel: devs can turn a large project into chaos all by themselves, too... and that is not a rare thing.
[01:32] <U236Willy> at that earlier time I felt kde went too 'cutting edge' and many people had many problems ... now i think the pendulum swing has come back to 'stability & cutting edge'
[01:32] <jmichaelx> yofel: although i would not at all suggest that what you just said wasn't true
[02:48] <_BS_> Can Samba make use of / store passwords encrypted. (NOT talking about exchanging encrypted passwords.)
[02:59] <U236Willy> _BS_: I don't really get your question but have you seen this -> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/passdb.html
[03:11] <_BS_> U236Willy: Thanks, working on chewing through that now. Let me reask the question more simply - Can Samba make use of /etc/passwd directly, and solely?
[05:30] <g0th> moin
[05:30] <g0th> BluesKaj: are you here?
[07:44] <Jarris> Hello there, i am using a "elsa winner 1000", can you tell me which driver is best, and how do i change drivers? (linux version 10.04) great thanks in advance
[09:19] <Jarris> sorry for asking again, restarted xserver.. is there someone who can halp me configuring my graphics adapter "elsa winner 1000" on linux 10.04 ?? i would be very thankful for some help
[09:44] <mrjosa> hi at all!
[10:01] <JohnFlux__> Hey all
[10:01] <JohnFlux__> Where does samba store which folders are being shared, what the workgroup name is etc?
[10:01] <JohnFlux> Because I can see that I'm sharing two folders
[10:01] <JohnFlux> and my workgroup name is "Workgroup"
[10:02] <JohnFlux> But /etc/samba/smb.conf  says something completely different!
[10:02] <JohnFlux> The smb.conf has a different workgroup name ("HOME")  and no mention of the folders that I'm sharing
[10:06] <JohnFlux> oh
[10:06] <JohnFlux> I needed to restart nmbd too
[10:51] <alvin> I just sent a message to the mailing list, but maybe someone here knows: How can I launch songs from Amarok using krunner, as katapult used to be?
[10:52] <alvin> For people who never worked with KDE3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katapult
[10:53] <James147> alvin: alt+f2:song name... assuming you have the plugin enabled
[10:53] <alvin> James147: All plugins are enabled. That's actually the default.
[10:54] <James147> alvin: and you have the amarok plugin installed?
[10:54] <alvin> Do you mean plasma-runner-amarok?
[10:54] <James147> plasma-runner-amarok
[10:54] <James147> yeah
[10:54] <DaemonFC> I'm still trying to regain my composure after the last round of updates moved qdbus into a dev package (Oneiric) for some reason I can't even imagine
[10:54] <alvin> I removed it. That plugin makes play, pause, etc,... available, but not playing a certain song
[10:54] <DaemonFC> then didn't bother making KDE depend on it so it wouldn't start up without that dev package
[10:54]  * DaemonFC head desks
[10:56] <James147> alvin: are you sure? it looks like it does (though I dont ahve any songs on this computer to test)
[10:57] <alvin> James147: Yes, I tried and the pakage description doesn't list the funcionality I want. Moreover, the link in the package description to the homepage of the plugin is broken.
[10:57] <natman2> Hi, can anyone give some Firefox help ( the problem is only in Kubuntu, not in windows )
[10:57] <alvin> !ask
[10:57] <James147> well, it seems to work here
[10:58] <alvin> James147: I'll retry, but that's weird...
[10:58] <James147> but not without the plugin
[10:58]  * James147 notes hes on 4.7... which seems to have improved the plugin but it should work on other versions
[10:58] <James147> ^^ i just tryped the name of the song with out a prefix as well ^^
[10:59] <alvin> James147: Me too. Now it works... And I have tried this before. Well, thank you for askin me to try again.
[10:59] <natman2> Cool!, Since yesterday ( i think ) but i can no longer attach a file in yahoo email when using Firefox in kubuntu - i have no problems in windows and my flash plugin seems to have no issues with youtube. In yahoo mail it just appears as if the file is taking forever ( never ends ) to attach
[10:59] <alvin> The only thing that could be better is the default action. That should be 'play'. Not 'remove from playlist'. Let's see if I can change that.
[11:01] <alvin> James147: Something is wrong though. It doesn't always work. If I type the same name of the song that worked a while ago, now nothing appears
[11:01] <alvin> James147: nevermind, it appeared.... only took half a minute. ok. Katapult used to be much faster.
[11:02] <alvin> Maybe nepomuk is needed? But that eats my resources too much. I need the computer to work.
[11:02] <James147> alvin: nepomuk should eat all your resources... the indexer might...
[11:02] <James147> shouldnt ^^
[11:03]  * James147 wonders why he always missed the nt :p
[11:03] <alvin> aaand, that krunner plugin is buggy... I search for a song, find it (after a while), press the 'play song' button, and, it plays the wrong song.
[11:03] <alvin> it just repeats the currently playing song
[11:04] <James147> alvin: then you should file a bug report ^^
[11:04] <alvin> I don't think you missed it there :-) it's indeed virtuoso or something.
[11:04] <James147> alvin: virtuoso is teh indexer
[11:04] <alvin> James147: Yes, several. But where? Does the plugin uses http://bugs.kde.org
[11:06] <natman2> okay, re my firefox yahoo mail issue, the problem goes away if i default back to "classic" yahoo mail
[11:06] <James147> alvin: not entirly sure ^^
[11:06] <alvin> I'll try against krunner
[11:06] <natman2> so must be some ajax type issue im guessing
[11:14] <alvin> Ahm, I just lost weeks of mails? To reproduce: 1) switch to desktop where Kontact is open. 2) stare in disbelief.
[11:17] <lcb> hi. anyone know where basket stores its data?
[11:17] <lcb> users's data ...
[11:19] <James147> lcb: ~/.kde/share/apps/basket I think
[11:22] <lcb> James147: thanks
[11:23] <lcb> James147: that's the app location but i can't recover some data i had already in a previous installation
[11:23] <James147> lcb: try ~/.kde4 (thats the old location)
[11:24] <lcb> James147: thank you
[11:29] <eean> will I need the alternate install to deal with encrypted partitions?
[11:30] <eean> ah shite, thats what the wiki says
[11:30] <alvin> eean: I think so. I never use the desktop install, so I don't know if the desktop install can do it, but maybe it can do encrypted /home
[11:30] <eean> yea I need whole disk encryption. plus I already have a encrypted setup and I just want to wipe root
[11:30] <James147> eean: what drives you planning to encrypt? / or /home?
[11:31] <eean> root, /home and swap
[11:32] <James147> then i think you need the alt cd
[11:32] <eean> I have this already, but need to switch to 32bit from 64bit
[11:45] <Duolos> How would I go about figuring out how Linux sees a certain keypress on my laptop?
[11:46] <Duolos> For example, my touchpad had a touch area to disable it (but it doesn't work in Linux yet)... curious if linux notices me tapping the area but doesn't know what to do with it.
[11:50] <alvin> Duolos: Try xev
[11:52] <Duolos> alvin: hmm that doesn't show any response.  Thing is, to disable my touchpad, I'd have to double-tap the upper-left corner of the touchpad itself.  Probably needs a specific driver to handle that?
[11:53] <alvin> I suppose you need some support for that, yes.
[11:55] <Duolos> alvin: is there a workaround to disable and re-enable the touchpad relatively easily?
[12:06] <alvin> Duolos: I'm sorry. I have no experience with touchpads. If the driver is a module, I suppose you could use modprobe to disable and enable.
[12:07] <Duolos> alvin: No worries.   I did some searching in the repos and found a synaptics utility that does it automatically when typing (which was a pain to accidentally hit the touchpad and move my cursor in mid-sentence lol
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:53] <apparle> hello guys, my unrar executable is in a non standard location, how do I make ark find it?
[12:55] <supeadmin> who use w3af
[12:55] <supeadmin> welcome w3af
[12:55] <supeadmin> #w3af
[12:56] <James147> apparle: best way is probably to add it to your PATH variable
[12:57] <apparle> James147: that's what I'm wondering, how to add to PATH, for bash its ~/.bashrc. What about other apps
[12:57] <apparle> James147: And I don't have admin access, so can't modify /etc/profile
[12:59] <James147> apparle: ~/.profile ^^
[13:00] <apparle> James147: actually, I'm using a very old system, and it doesn't have ~/.profile. So should I write setenv PATH <whatever> or only PATH=<whatever>?
[13:12] <James147> apparle: not all system have one by default but it should be used if it exists
[13:12] <James147> not sure on the syntax though
[13:13] <apparle> James147: logically, creating should work right?
[13:14] <James147> yea
[13:14] <apparle> James147: okay... I'll check, logging out
[13:14] <James147> (you will need to log out and back in for it to be read by the session though)
[13:18] <apparle> James147: yeah it worked :)
[13:19] <apparle> James147: do you mind, if I send you a private message?
[13:21] <James147> apparle: for what reason?
[13:21] <apparle> James147: KDE related question but not for kubuntu...
[13:21] <James147> apparle: sure
[13:22] <James147> (though if it is just kde realted then here should be fine)
[13:46] <ionite> are there any patches for KDE?
[13:48] <James147> ionite: ^^
[13:49] <James147> ionite: um... i would think so... there are patch for all large projects in some form or another
[13:56] <ionite> James147: do u know how can i do a auto scan for hardware?
[13:56] <James147> ionite: auto scan? you mean list your hardware? lspci lsusb lshw  all cant do that
[13:57] <ionite> James147: my printer has a all in one functions. how can i scan documents over in KDE?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ionite, install sane
[14:00] <BluesKaj> !sane | ionite
[14:01] <ionite> BluesKaj: what's the command line i should type in my terminal? or does synaptics have it?
[14:02] <DarthFrog> ionite: Use synaptic to install xsane (graphical user program to do scanning).  It'll pull in all the SANE dependencies.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> if synaptics has it then it's in apt as well, synaptics is just a gui for apt , ionite , same goes for muon or any package manager
[14:03] <BluesKaj> err synaptic
[14:05] <BluesKaj> synaptic was broken after the upgrade to oneiric , no textbox for direct entry
[14:05] <ionite> DarthFrog: BluesKaj i got this error You have failed to provide correct authentication. Please check any passwords or account settings.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ionite, did you mistype your pw maybe ?
[14:07] <DarthFrog> ionite: Did you preface the command with sudo?
[14:07] <ionite> BluesKaj:  i wasn't even prompted for my password like usual
[14:07] <ionite> DarthFrog: i'm using synaptics to install. why does this prompt appears?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> it's synaptic , no "s"
[14:08] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[14:08] <DarthFrog> ionite: Because you're attempting to do a system administration task, it requires root privileges.
[14:09] <DarthFrog> ionite: Press Alt-F2 and type "kdesudo synaptic".
[14:10] <ionite> DarthFrog: now all my hot keys are not working. :( why does my net book function FN key not working? :(
[14:11] <latagore> ionite: Do you have a FN lock key?
[14:12] <ionite> latagore: how do i check?
[14:12] <latagore> Look for a button called FN lock on your keyboard :P
[14:13] <ionite> DarthFrog: i did that and i am still prompted for password
[14:13] <DarthFrog> ionite: Good.  That's what you want.
[14:13] <DarthFrog> Give it your password.
[14:14] <ionite> DarthFrog: no i mean. i'm still prompted for the wrong password aunthentication
[14:14] <DarthFrog> What do you mean, wrong authentication?
[14:14] <ionite> DarthFrog: i used to be able to input my password and then it'll proceed to install but now it just by pass asking me and prompts me a authgentication failure.
[14:14] <DarthFrog> Strange.
[14:15] <DarthFrog> You must have waved a dead chicken at it.
[14:16] <ionite> DarthFrog: anyway just give me the terminal command line to install
[14:16] <ionite> DarthFrog: that might help. thanks
[14:17] <DarthFrog> ionite:  "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xsane"  All on one line.
[14:18] <ionite> DarthFrog: now the terminal is working. so affer installing SANE i'll be able to scan right?
[14:19] <DarthFrog> Probably. :-)
[14:19] <ionite> DarthFrog: on many occasions i have to restart inorder to detect my WLAN. why is that so? can't it auto detect and connect?
[14:20] <DarthFrog> ionite: Do you have the network mini-icon in your systray?
[14:20] <ionite> DarthFrog: yes i do
[14:20] <DarthFrog> Can you use that instead?
[14:21] <ionite> DarthFrog: that's what i've been using. and i've already set it to connect automatically but on many occasions it can't detect either my mobile broadband or my present WLAN. i have to restart inorder to do so.
[14:22] <DarthFrog> ionite: That's a nuisance.
[14:22] <ionite> DarthFrog: sane installed successfully but it can't detect my all in one scanner and printer
[14:23] <ionite> DarthFrog: where do i insert this? Add ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0182", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" to /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules.
[14:24] <DarthFrog>  /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules. :-)
[14:24] <ionite> DarthFrog: where do i type this?
[14:24] <ionite> DarthFrog: how do i even begin typing this?
[14:24] <DarthFrog> Edit that file and append that line.
[14:25] <ionite> DarthFrog: edit that file? i've got no file?
[14:25] <ionite> DarthFrog: where's the file located?
[14:26] <DarthFrog> kdesudo kate /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules
[14:26] <DarthFrog>  /lib/udev/rules.d/40-libsane.rules *is* the file.
[14:26] <DarthFrog> ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0182", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"    is the line you want to append.
[14:27] <ionite> DarthFrog: that's the above line for?
[14:27] <ionite> DarthFrog: what do u mean append?
[14:28] <DarthFrog> Add the line at the  bottom of the file.
[14:29] <ionite> DarthFrog: how do i add? all in a single line?
[14:29] <DarthFrog> Yes, it's one line.
[14:29] <ionite> DarthFrog: do i have to add before label ends
[14:30] <DarthFrog> ??
[14:31] <ionite> DarthFrog: u mean i can add that line anywhere?
[14:31] <DarthFrog> Stick it at the bottom.
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: last line: libsane_rules_end
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: i'll enter right after it?
[14:32] <ionite> DarthFrog: then i'll click save?
[14:33] <DarthFrog> Enter it above the rules_end line.
[14:33] <ionite> DarthFrog: what about scsi_rules_end?
[14:33] <ionite> DarthFrog: before or after?
[14:35] <DarthFrog> Enter it above the rules_end line.
[14:35] <ionite> DarthFrog: there after? save and then restart comp?
[14:36] <DarthFrog> Yeah sure, above the scsi line.  Stick it between two other "ATTR" lines.
[14:36] <ionite> DarthFrog: so i'm restarting now...
[14:37] <ionite> DarthFrog: so much for u help! :) btw, any idea about my networking problem?
[14:37] <DarthFrog> ionite: no on the networking.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> BBl, stuff to do
[14:56] <ionite> DarthFrog: i was prompted this
[14:56] <ionite> DarthFrog: failed to open device 'brother2:bus1;dev1': invalid argument
[14:59] <DarthFrog> ionite: Is it a USB device?
[14:59] <ionite> DarthFrog: yes
[15:00] <DarthFrog> That line in libsane.rules actually needs to be between the LABEL="libsane_usb_rules_begin" and LABEL="libsane_usb_rules_end" lines.
[15:00] <ionite> DarthFrog: yep. i did that
[15:01] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  Don't know then, sorry.
[15:09] <ionite> DarthFrog: sorry what's the command in terminal to open the lib rules again?
[15:10] <DarthFrog> To look at it or edit it?  Use "less" to read a file at the command line and "kate" to edit the file graphically.
[15:11] <DarthFrog> Use "history" at the command line to see what commands you've previously issued.
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone, i imported bookmarks into rekonq, now it shows up the kmenu, i removed all the bookmarks in rekonq still it shows in the kmenu
[15:16] <DarthFrog> Use kmenuedit.
[15:29] <phoenix_firebrd> DarthFrog: its not showing as a menu item, it shows as a search result in kmenu
[15:31] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[15:31] <latagore> whoops
[15:32] <latagore> Oh wait that's the right one
[15:38] <T_Burn> guys help me....how can i rotate my webcam ?is it possible to change webcam[grab]file???
[15:38] <T_Burn> it is upside down
[15:39] <PiotrN> you could use a set of mirrors
[15:40] <DarthFrog> Or turn the camera itself.
[15:40] <PiotrN> but, iirc for gspca webcam drivers there was a switch to change it
[15:42] <PiotrN> are gspca still in use ?
[15:42] <PiotrN> or all are now in UVC ?
[15:44] <BluesKaj>  router got a firmware update , now all the networked pc IPs were wrong , so i proceeded to change them back when the router auto rebooted and reset the IPs to their previous settings...weird stuff
[15:46] <BluesKaj> bumped us off the internet without warning
[16:11] <boss> DSF
[16:40] <latagore> I am not sure if this is expected behaviour: The more windows I have unminimized, the more lag I have. Using the FPS effect, it seems that my computer slows down as I open new windows
[16:48] <BluesKaj> latagore, which graphics card and driver?
[16:48] <latagore> A really old card, ATI Radeon X1600
[16:49] <latagore> Driver... I just remembered I forgot to install the proprietary one
[16:50] <latagore> So the default that ships with Natty
[16:51] <latagore> and @BluesKaj, in case you aren't keeping up
[16:51] <BluesKaj> latagore,  not sure , check in system . additional drivers
[16:51] <latagore> BluesKaj: None are displayed
[16:54] <BluesKaj> latagore, ok maybe you can upgrade to proprietary driver from ati , but first we need to know what's installed , sudo lshw -C video| grep driver
[16:55] <latagore> BluesKaj: I just installed fglrx just a few seconds ago
[16:55] <BluesKaj> latagore, then you will need to reboot
[16:56] <latagore> BluesKaj: I'll get back to you in a bit then
[17:01] <latagore> BluesKaj: Desktop effects does not seem to be working. I cannot "resume desktop effects"
[17:02] <BluesKaj> latagore, were the desktop effects working previous to the fglrx install ?
[17:02] <latagore> BluesKaj: Yes they were
[17:03] <BluesKaj> iirc fglrx depends a lot on the xorg.conf file settings like DRI=yes etc
[17:04] <latagore> BluesKaj: How would I go about configuring it? Any guides?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> but that was many distros ago , so i'm not sure how to help
[17:04] <latagore> BluesKaj: Alright
[17:05] <BluesKaj> but it's worth searching around , because that card should run dri and 3d without a problem
[17:06] <latagore> alright. It would be nice if distros could come nice and preconfigured nicely ]:
[17:06] <latagore> could come preconfigured nicely*
[17:07] <latagore> BluesKaj: I managed to brute force a few settings and change compositing to XRender, which should do for now
[17:32] <timaeaeaeaea> i
[17:34] <gene76> What is fwcutter called when 10.04 LTS is installed?
[17:35] <holocaust84> Hi peeps, I myself love KDE but I share my computer with someone who is too used to working with a GNOME interface.  I'm following an online guide to install GNOME 3 along side KDE (kubuntu 11.04)... the guide instructs me to input "gksu apt-get update", I am told I do not have this, I then "sudo apt-get install gksu" and retry the original command, I get a GUI box asking for my root password, I enter it, it says it
[17:35] <holocaust84> is incorrect.  I just typed this same password into Konsole to run the session as root, and it is indeed the correct password, any clues?
[17:38] <eeanm> hey. is there a ppa with amarok 2.4.3 in it?
[17:39] <eeanm> ulmlogger: ^^ :D
[17:39] <holocaust84> eeanm did you try just naming the version of amarok with normal "apt-get install" command? usually works for me with a lot of programs
[17:40] <eeanm> its 2.4.0
[17:40] <eeanm> and I have ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[17:40] <gene76> What is fwcutter called when 10.04 LTS is installed?  I need to unpack some winders drivers for a netgear WNA3100 radio dongle
[17:42] <holocaust84> eeanm: try "sudo apt-get install amarok 2.4.3 ... if you have another version you may need to try "sudo apt-get autoremove" after doing this
[17:45] <eeanm> it tries to install a package matching the regex 2.4.3 :D
[17:45] <holocaust84> Maybe I misunderstand the question lol, long day :)
[17:46] <eeanm> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[17:46] <eeanm> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[17:46] <eeanm> I do get this on apt-get update...
[17:46] <eeanm> I just did apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[17:47] <eeanm> ah that must be it, it ain't working somehow
[17:53] <holocaust84> eeanm: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:[name of what you want without these brackets]
[17:54] <holocaust84> it should add the PPA's and the GPG key
[17:55] <eeanm> there she is
[17:55] <holocaust84> All good? :)
[17:55] <eeanm> missing /backports
[17:55] <eeanm> yea I think so
[17:56] <holocaust84> the GUI way would be to go to <system><admin><software sources><other software> click 'add' and put in the APT line (prefer the good ol' konsole though
[17:58] <holocaust84> Hi peeps, I myself love KDE but I share my computer with someone who is too used to working with a GNOME interface. I'm following an online guide to install GNOME 3 along side KDE (kubuntu 11.04)... the guide instructs me to input "gksu apt-get update", I am told I do not have this, I then "sudo apt-get install gksu" and retry the original command, I get a GUI box asking for my root password, I enter it, it says it
[17:58] <holocaust84> is incorrect. I just typed this same password into Konsole to run the session as root, and it is indeed the correct password, any clues?
[18:01] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: where did you read that? gksu is used when running gtk GUI apps with superuser privileges. apt-get is not a GUI app.
[18:02] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-GNOME-3-on-Ubuntu-11-04-194085.shtml ... This guide, first thing that came up on duckduckgo.com (laziness I admit)
[18:03] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: 'gksu apt-get update' is just wrong
[18:03] <Cobold> Hi folks. I have a problem with my language settings on Kubuntu
[18:03] <Pici> !gnome3
[18:03] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: it should be 'sudo apt-get update'
[18:04] <Cobold> when I tried to install support for Japanese language input methods, the system language got automatically switched to Japanese. I since fixed that for Kubuntu, but my Firefox still displays all websites like Google or Ubuntu wiki in Japanese. >_> Does anybody know how to change that?
[18:04] <eeanm> heh
[18:04] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: I'm aware of most day to day commands (by no means a novice but enough to scrape by) and I too was confused by it, but blindly following a so called "guide" from the website hehe.
[18:05] <eeanm> Cobold: firefox has its own language setting hidden somewhere
[18:05] <Cobold> The menus are no longer Japanese
[18:05] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: also, when you use sudo/gksu/kdesu, the password that is supposed to be entered in the dialogue box is the password of the user (if that user is allowed superuser privileges using sudo). that is not the same as the root password
[18:05] <eeanm> Cobold: reminds me of when I go to Finland... google starts displaying gibberish even when I'm logged in
[18:05] <James147> holocaust84: replace gksu  with kdesudo if you using kde and are following a guide for ubuntu
[18:06] <Cobold> eeanm: wiki.ubuntu.com is also in Japanese now, it's not just Google
[18:06] <jmichaelx> James147: no, in this case he needs sudo....
[18:06] <James147> (though in that case just use plain ole sudo ^^ no need to use gui auth for command line prog
[18:06] <holocaust84> Pici: Thanks for that, I've recently been messing around with various linux variants, including openSUSE which has gnome3 running fine, as does Fedora 15, so it didn't occur to me that it wasn't yet functional on ubuntu
[18:06] <James147> jmichaelx: I was talking more generally
[18:06] <jmichaelx> James147: also, gksu is for gtk apps. kdesu is for qt apps
[18:07] <Pici> holocaust84: It'll be working correctly in the next release of Ubuntu, but the gnome3 release happened too late in the release cycle for things to be properly integrated.
[18:07] <James147> jmichaelx: yeah...
[18:07] <James147> (and kdesudo for kubuntu)
[18:08] <m4730> is there anybody who actually flipped his web cam for 180'?
[18:08] <m4730> i doubt....
[18:08] <jmichaelx> James147: but kdesudo is only used for qt apps, regardless which desktop environment is being used (not that you do not already know this)
[18:08] <holocaust84> Okay thanks peeps, I'm going to leave things as-is until Gnome 3 is stable, and my friend will just have to put up with using my system on KDE, or get his own damned computer! :)
[18:08] <James147> jmichaelx: how is it only used `for` qt apps?
[18:08] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: i have a feeling you migh be better off that way
[18:08] <James147> jmichaelx: i have used it with gtk apps loads of times
[18:08] <jmichaelx> James147: that is what it is for
[18:09] <jmichaelx> James147: you may have, but that defeats the whole purpose
[18:09] <James147> jmichaelx: its a qt front end to launching gui applications... not just for launching qt applications
[18:09] <holocaust84> I may just get around the whole sudo issue and run as root, I have no security concerns (other than my own stupidity, but backups take care of that)
[18:10] <James147> jmichaelx: whats the difference between gksu and kdesu[do] in terms alunching application then?
[18:10] <jmichaelx> James147: kdesu is generally what you want to use when launching qt apps from the command line. gku for gtk apps. most documentation explains it this way
[18:10] <James147> jmichaelx: thats because it assumes if you using a gnome app your comming from gnome and if your using a kde app your commming from kde..
[18:11] <m4730> it is relative
[18:11] <James147> i would say kdesu[do] is generally used on kde kde system and gkso on gtk systems... not for the spicific apps
[18:12] <m4730> now i have a question....how to bloody flip cam for 180' i cannot look myself like this anymore....
[18:12] <jmichaelx> James147: you may ultimately be correct, although there is documentation out there that explains otherwise (again, perhaps wrongly so)
[18:13] <holocaust84> As a side note, couple of questions (not really looking for help, just curious on opinion) 1) Peoples views on Unity (I have to say I can see a lot of effort and hard work went into it, but it doesn't translate to me well at all, it's basically unusable for me right now) and 2) Would running kubuntu (lite I think it's called?) on an ASUS EEE Pad Transformer be a viable option?
[18:13] <James147> jmichaelx: not wrongly... more documenttation for ubuntu focuses on gnome, not kde so it rightly uses gksu (dosnt mean you cannot use kdesu)
[18:13] <James147> jmichaelx: but anyway :) as long as there is no functional difference (unlike sudo vs [gk|kde]su)
[18:15] <James147> holocaust84: 1) looks good for newer less technical users... but like most of gnome I like to ahve options of how i do stuff :) 2) it runs fine on my eee 1005ha :)
[18:15] <jmichaelx> James147: there does appear to be little to no functional difference, which would also support your explanation
[18:16] <James147> jmichaelx: from what I under stand they do the same function but there are two because they hav different dependencies (dont want to install gtk if you only use kde or kde if oyu only use gtk)
[18:17] <holocaust84> James147: Yeah it felt verrry dumbed down and I don't think it got along too well with my graphics card (even with propriatary drivers enabled) , as for the eee pad, it's a tablet / netbook hybrid not a typical netbook, and has android as the default OS, so I'm concerned with driver issues, but I'll no doubt try it out :)
[18:17] <James147> as for kdesu vs kdesudo I think is bacuse kdesu wasnt as functional in teh early days so someone rewrote it (though i could be wrong)
[18:17] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: what graphics card are you using?
[18:17] <holocaust84> jmichaelx: 2x NVIDIA GTS450's in SLI
[18:18] <James147> holocaust84: i think i looked at it breefly... and someone was able to get ubuntu running on it (though it wasnt stright forward)
[18:18] <James147> o-O
[18:19] <holocaust84> James147: it just arrived today via Fed EX, currently waiting the 8 hour saga for it to fully charge, can't wait to get my hands on the little beauty hehe.
[18:19] <James147> yeah... was really intrested in it but really need something with a full os on
[18:20] <James147> (and dident want to risk it not being able to run kde)
[18:21] <holocaust84> James147: From looking at the specs of it, I can't see any reason why the hardware would fail to handle all that kubuntu can throw at it, but I suppose it comes down to compatibility not performance.  That's my main concern with trying it
[18:21] <Cobold> yay I found the hidden firefox settings. No more Japanese :D Ok thanks, bye
[18:21] <James147> holocaust84: I was more consirned with being able to get it on there in the first place :)
[18:21] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: i would also think it could handle a full-blown kde install (barring compatiblity issues)
[18:22] <holocaust84> I quite like Android anyhow, especially this latest version, so it's no biggie, but certainly will be fun to try
[18:22] <holocaust84> I'm just not so keen on Google hehe.
[18:23] <jmichaelx> James147: holocaust84this is all very OT, but i am very interested (as i am sure many others are) in being able to use linux on tablets. android sometimes makes me feel as dirty after using it as windows does
[18:24] <jmichaelx> holocaust84: it can be nice, but android is locked-down, and layered with proprietary junk
[18:24]  * James147 points to #kubuntu-offtopic  :)
[18:26] <holocaust84> I like Android on my smart-phone, it's a beautiful little interface for a phone, I've yet to try it on a tablet, and as jmichaelx just said, its basically windows, goes against most if not all of my beliefts and desires for OS's, in its defense though, it's pretty, it's quick, and it's functional, but if I could get Kubuntu working on it, with all the functions enabled, I'd drop Android in a heartbeat. And yes this
[18:26] <holocaust84> is very off-topic so my apologies hehe [end of OT rant]
[18:34] <skramer_> seems I have a problem with Amarok always forgetting what's in my local collection. Every new start, it believes my collection is empty. Any hint what could be the reason?
[18:41] <ashwin> is there a way i can stop creating temporary files by kwrite,kate?
[18:43] <well_laid_lawn> ashwin: isn't there a setting in the menu for them for that not to happen?
[18:45] <agyei> is there a way to add music files to the playlist of vlc using the right click menu in dolphun?
[18:53] <ashwin> well_laid_lawn: i dont see it anywhre
[18:55] <well_laid_lawn> ashwin: I remember seeing a menu setting for not making backups in one of them but haven't used them in a while
[18:58] <James147> ashwin: there is one ^^
[18:58] <smoke_> hello
[18:58] <James147> settings > configre > save and open > uncheck local files under backup on save
[19:01] <ashwin> James147: thanks
[19:07] <blackflag> !grub
[19:08] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. I'd like to use a different engine for GTK-based apps (right now I am using gtk2-engines-oxygen). I installed gtk2-engines-murrine, but it does not show up in System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance -> Widget Style (it only shows Raleigh and gtk-oxygen). How can I fix that?
[19:13] <IppatsuMan> Oh, I had to install murrine-themes. Thanks anyway.
[19:21] <ubuntu> merhaba
[19:24] <jmichaelx> merhaba
[21:45] <pedahzur> Just upgraded to Kubuntu 11.04 (from 9.04).  Everything is working well, except for a couple small (low impact) glitches.  The system will suspend/resume just fine (YAY!) if I do Fn-'Stand by key' (this is a laptop). But it will not sleep if I close the lid. In the power manager, I have "Sleep" set as the action for closing the lid, but to no effect. Ideas?
[22:00] <Guest56221> Yesh why i put my laptop to sleep i gett a dark screen and can't log back on
[22:03] <pedahzur> Guest56221: sometimes linux's sleep/resume code is not compatible with a laptop.  Can you hibernate and resume?
[22:04] <Guest56221> pedahzur: yes hibernate works ok althought my cpy stays on
[22:04] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i have an asus
[22:05] <pedahzur> Guest56221: so it hibernates, but it doesn't shut down?
[22:06] <Guest56221> pedahzur: yes the screen turns off but but i still hear my fan working and when i resume i actually get an error msg
[22:08] <Guest56221> pedahzur: il says failed to suspend. Failure was reported as : Cannot hibernate
[22:08] <James147> Guest56221: so by works ok you mean not at all?
[22:08] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Hmm...how much swap did you allocate when you installed?
[22:09] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i din't create any partitions manually. Did the intall next to windows option
[22:09] <pedahzur> Guest56221: This wouldn't affect sleep, but might affect hibernate: have you rebooted since your last kernel upgrade?
[22:10] <Guest56221> James147: i mean when i hibernate it shows a failure pbl but at least my laptop doesnt freeze on a dark screen. But when i do suspend i get a dark screen and my laptop freeze
[22:11] <Guest56221> pedahzur: i have rebboted several times my laptop.
[22:11] <James147> Guest56221: dosnt mean it "work ok" just means its broken in a different way...
[22:11] <Guest56221> James147: yes it's broken in a different way
[22:12] <Guest56221> James147: i thought that it might be because i installed ubuntu next to windows instead of replacing windows
[22:12] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Can you open a terminal and type 'top' and hit enter?
[22:13] <James147> Guest56221: shouldnt make a difference
[22:13] <pedahzur> Guest56221: in 'top' what does it say next to Swap?
[22:13] <James147> ^^ some laptops just dont like to sleep/hybernate in linux... it stems from a problem with the acpi specs ... :p
[22:14] <James147> ^^ or free -m :)
[22:15] <Guest56221> 260 000k about
[22:15] <Guest56221> of swap memory
[22:15] <Guest56221> James147: what is the acpi specs ?
[22:16] <James147> the standard which governs things like how computers should sleep ^^
[22:17] <Guest56221> ok so i guess i can't really fix it then ?
[22:17] <Guest56221> it's not to anoying but it's unfortunate that's all
[22:18] <James147> might be possible... but I do not know how... although the hybernate might be due to not enough swap (as ram gets written to the swap space during hybernate
[22:23] <lcb> Guest56221: is acpid running? did you by any chance kill that service for good?
[22:24] <lcb> i have an asus too and i never had probs with it
[22:24] <lcb> not this one, btw
[22:24] <Guest56221> lcb: how can i know if acpid is running
[22:24] <lcb> service acpid status
[22:24] <pedahzur> Guest56221: How much memory do you have?
[22:24] <lcb> in terminal
[22:24] <Guest56221> lcb: 4g of ram
[22:25] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Yeah, 4GB of RAM and only 250MB of swap...you won't be able to hibernate.
[22:25] <pedahzur> Guest56221: Sorry to split...gotta run.
[22:26] <Guest56221> lcb: k thanks
[22:26] <lcb> 250 of swap? how's that?
[22:26] <James147> pedahzur: not true ^^ only need enough swap for the ammount of used ram ^^ which is probally more then 250mb anyway :D
[22:26] <Guest56221> i don't know
[22:26] <lcb> Guest56221: is acpid running?
[22:26] <Guest56221> i guess i should havee put 1go of swap
[22:27] <James147> !swap
[22:27] <Guest56221> lcb: i think so
[22:27] <Guest56221> is says
[22:27] <James147> ^^ that should tell you how to increase the amount
[22:27] <Guest56221> acpid start/running , process 1009
[22:27] <lcb> running
[22:28] <lcb> Guest56221: indeed you need to increase swaping. but, anyway, disable desktop effects and any other stuff you might have always running in your system and try again
[22:29] <Guest56221> lcb: how do i disable dekstop effects ?
[22:29] <lcb> that's just to check if the time to take to put your laptop to sleep or whatever decreases
[22:30] <lcb> Guest56221: "System Settings" then "Desktop Effects"
[22:31] <Guest56221> lcb: ok i stopent desktop effects
[22:32] <Guest56221> i still get acpid start/running, process 1009
[22:32] <lcb> wait... you need to increase swap partition. how big is your drive?
[22:33] <Guest56221> 750 G but i think i have less on linux
[22:33] <Guest56221> i don't know how much i have on linux
[22:33] <James147> "df -h" should tell you
[22:33] <lcb> do you have .. like 4 G to give to swap?
[22:36] <lcb> Guest56221: if you do, increase that partition to 6 GB. is better to do that with a partition manager outside your system(s), meaning if youhave a boot cd use it.
[22:37] <lcb> i'm not sure if swapping off within system and increasing it will do any bad, btw
[22:39] <Guest56221> i have 23go left of space
[22:39] <lcb> Guest56221: other question... are you running your other Operating Systems simultaneously and expect the computer to hibernate?
[22:39] <Guest56221> lcb: no i am just runing ubuntu
[22:39] <lcb> are those in Virtual Machines?
[22:40] <Guest56221> lcb: virtual machines ?
[22:40] <lcb> ahh ok, i think you said something like "for linux... space etc".
[22:40] <Guest56221> yes i dedicated 30go ti ubuntu ( linux ) and i hac 23go left of space
[22:40] <James147> ^^ you just need to create a swapfile if you want to increase the size of swap ^^
[22:40] <James147> !swap
[22:41] <lcb> Guest56221: ok, to do the things by the book: (do you have your installation CD)?
[22:42] <Guest56221> lcb:  i have no CD
[22:43] <lcb> changing the terminology... instead of partition we'll call it simply SIZE. You do need to increase that swap size. with your installation CD , run it and open de Device Manager of it. then increase the size of that SWAP to 4 or 6 GBs
[22:43] <Guest56221> istalled directy with the ubuntu site
[22:43] <Guest56221> i know what partition is
[22:43] <Guest56221> the thing is i dont have the CD
[22:43] <lcb> Device Manager (no) Partition Manager
[22:43] <Guest56221> is there any other way
[22:44] <lcb> do you have ultimate boot cd or hiren's boot cd ot partmagic aside?
[22:44] <lcb> ot/or
[22:44] <Guest56221> no cd whatsoever
[22:44] <lcb> usb?
[22:45] <Guest56221> no usb
[22:45] <lcb> one of 256 for instance?
[22:45] <Guest56221> i could create a CD i guess
[22:45] <Guest56221> i have aa 1go usb key
[22:45] <lcb> can you backup what you have in there and install something in there?
[22:48] <Guest56221> Yes i can use my usb key
[22:49] <lcb> Guest56221: in terminal type: sudo apt-get install unetbootin | then insert your usb pen | run unetbootin | select from Distribution "Parted Magic"
[22:50] <Guest56221> lcb: kk one sec
[22:51] <lcb> on the bottom of unetbootin you have "Type:" Select carefully. it needs to be your usb pen. should be something like sdb1  or sdb2 or something. SDB!
[22:53] <lcb> i hope if someone sees anything that might be wrong pls tell it. i never played with swap after installations.
[22:53] <Guest56221> lcb: yes
[22:53] <Guest56221> lcb: then ok
[22:53] <Guest56221> and start intall i guess ??
[22:53] <lcb> Guest56221: check everything before proceeding
[22:54] <lcb> do not install in other partition or drive. make sure is that usb pen
[22:54]  * James147 thinks its easier to create a swap FILE
[22:54] <lcb> James147: with one already there? how to expand it while the system is running? swapping off?
[22:55] <James147> lcb: why touch it? just create a new swap file ^^
[22:55] <Guest56221> lcb: yes i put type:usb
[22:55] <Guest56221> disk image iso i guess ?
[22:55] <James147> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#Four-step%20Process%20to%20Add%20Swap%20File  ^^
[22:56] <lcb> James147: as i said, i never played w swap. i really don't know any method besides the one outside the running system
[22:56]  * James147 has linked to it 3 times now ...
[22:58] <James147> ooo fallocate is now though :)
[22:58] <James147> new ^^ :p
[22:59] <Guest56221> lcb: once i reboot what do di do ?
[22:59] <Guest56221> do i do
[23:01] <lcb> James147: makes sense that "Four-step Process to Add Swap File". Although i don't really believe is good for novices (as i am)
[23:03] <lcb> Guest56221: after running from the usb (your pc needs to recognize the pen, if not you need other steps, in the bios utility boot order)
[23:03] <James147> lcb: whats not good about it? it gives you the commands and is FAR simplier then editing partitions
[23:04] <Guest56221> lcb: ok thanls
[23:05] <lcb> well, Guest56221, Guest56221:  if i recall right you'll get several options to run that utility. select the graphical one. then, after loading select the partition manager.
[23:06] <Guest56221> lcb: kk thanks alot
[23:07] <lcb> then increase the size of swap. now is up to you to use this method or the one of creating a swap file from that page.
[23:08] <lcb> Guest56218: you might need to DEcrease the size of the previous partition, before swap so swap could expand.
[23:08] <James147> he left
[23:08] <lcb> oh
[23:08] <lcb> doing a couple tings at same time and didn't notice :)
[23:10] <lcb> James147: editing fstab and stuff... i don't really think is good for someone who doesn't know how to run in CLÇI :)
[23:10] <lcb> CLI
[23:11] <lcb> but anyway, editing partitions is always not safe, unless we know what we are doing and play safely
[23:12] <lcb> he might be having more problems besides hibernation due to those 25l MB swap
[23:12] <James147> lcb: then just say "echo '/mnt/swap none swap sw 0 0' | sudo tee -a /etc/fstab"  ^^
[23:12] <James147> I doupt it with 4 gigs of ram
[23:12] <James147> lcb: currently using 0mb os swap with no problems
[23:13] <James147> ^^ my laptop ram for ages (and sitll might be) without any swap
[23:13] <James147> without issue
[23:13] <lcb> James147: my understanding, to use acpi in kubuntu, we might need like the 3 times the size of ram
[23:13] <James147> lcb: incorrect
[23:13] <James147> lcb: to hybernate you need at least the ammount of ram currently being used
[23:14] <James147> this is normally, these days, much less then your total ram
[23:14] <lcb> it depends the amount of processes, no?
[23:14] <James147> in older times it needed to be ram + used swap
[23:14] <lcb> and the load of those processes
[23:14] <James147> lcb: yes... but very few people would use more then 1-2 gigs of ram
[23:14] <James147> (that would want to hybernate)
[23:15] <lcb> this machine barely uses swap either but i never checked logs about when i close the lid
[23:16]  * James147 is only using 1.4G here and on my server ^^
[23:16] <James147> and my server has minecraft running on it :)
[23:16] <lcb> James147: tweaked, i bet. now imagine most of users taking care of disabling some services and functionalities
[23:17] <James147> barly tweked... this is a new install on my desktop
[23:17] <lcb> most ppl don't even know that most of services are not necessary. well, a lot of them
[23:18]  * James147 hasnt turned anything off yet on this box
[23:18] <lcb> matter of fact i discovered today i don't have bluetooth on this laptop. so i disabled everything related to it.
[23:22] <lcb> btw, there is a nice utility to help on those services, sudo aptitude install bum
[23:22] <lcb> besides the "Services Manager"
[23:24] <lcb> "Service Manager", not services manager. i think is not in menus
[23:24] <lcb> it's hidden somewhere
[23:24] <James147> there is one in system settings for kde services
[23:25] <lcb> probably that one though
[23:25] <lcb> let me check
[23:25] <lcb> yeah, same one
[23:27] <lcb> hmm, playing with 'bum' i see i have postfix running. why's that?!
[23:28] <lcb> a sudo apt-get --purge remove might tell
[23:29] <lcb> ah..
[23:29] <lcb> The following packages will be REMOVED:: bsd-mailx* google-earth-stable* lsb-core* postfix*