[00:01] <dr_willis> Hmm.. alt-f2 dont seem to work for me in gnome-shell...
[00:06] <yofel> worked for me before, well... as in "opened but didn't do anything useful"
[00:09] <dr_willis> just reading at ...  http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/LookingGlass     You currently run it by pressing Alt-F2, typing lg, then Return.
[00:11] <Ian_Corne> lg? :p
[00:11] <dr_willis> 'looking glass'
[00:12] <Ian_Corne> ohright
[00:12] <dr_willis> I can see where gnome-shell has a lot of potential.. if nothing else.. it should be easy to 'fix' all the silly design limitations the default gnome-devs stick in it..
[00:12] <ali1234> the same can be said of unity
[00:12] <ali1234> in fact i think unity is a better starting point
[00:12] <ali1234> but who is going to do it?
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> i propose dr_willis !
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> :D
[00:13] <dr_willis> given the mindset i see commng from caonical.. i think gs is going to be easier to tweak by a few 10000000% :)
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> yeah, i think so too :)
[00:13] <ali1234> sadly i agree
[00:14]  * dr_willis recalls some official statement along the lines of   'the osd notififer will NOT be configurable'  .....
[00:14] <dr_willis> 'we moved the buttons the the left for.... room for windicators ... that havent  even been implemented yet.....'
[00:14] <ali1234> why can't windicators go on the left? that's what i want to know
[00:15] <dr_willis> and im not sure if they even will get imnplemnted..
[00:15] <ali1234> and why should i even care about them? what's the point?
[00:15] <dr_willis>  the trend now is to have less menus/buttons at all...
[00:15] <Ian_Corne> wow
[00:15] <Ian_Corne> gnome-shell looks nice
[00:15] <Ian_Corne> first time i install it
[00:15] <ali1234> the justification for global menus is basically "menus suck and we want to kill them by making them hard to use"
[00:16] <dr_willis> Ian_Corne,  it works decently well.. they seem to have an obsession with the   use of workspacces..
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> i wonder
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> where are the window buttons in gnome-shell?
[00:17] <dr_willis> Ian_Corne,  does your default gs-theme have a min/max/close buttons?
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> no :D
[00:17] <dr_willis> Mine does.. :) but i messed with gnome-tweak
[00:17] <dr_willis> so im not sure how default mine is..
[00:17] <dr_willis> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/06/howto-four-tweaks-to-bring-back-missing-functionality-in-gnome-30.ars
[00:17] <dr_willis> Bringing back the minimize and maximize buttons
[00:17] <Ian_Corne> and an ugly title bar for the non-maximized windows
[00:18] <dr_willis> gnome shell and unity seem to share a lot of settings - so my whole desktop is a bit of a hodge-podge of  stuff. :)
[00:18] <dr_willis> let me take a screen shot
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> oho, mr shoe just found out his wife faked having a baby
[00:19] <dr_willis> !screenshot
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> :D
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> you could also use imgur
[00:19] <dr_willis> http://imagebin.org/168187
[00:20] <Ian_Corne> the dropdown menus are really nice
[00:20] <Ian_Corne> for the indicators
[00:20] <dr_willis> you dont see in the shot that  chrome and  the xchat  min/max/close are similer.. but differnt. :)
[00:20] <dr_willis> Im not sure what the obsession with Monocolor icons are these days either....
[00:21] <dr_willis> network indicator WOULD be nice if it actally blinked as you got data... thats basically expected these days.. :)
[00:22] <dr_willis> mine menus are all white/grey on black.. i can barely read the calander in the clock
[00:23] <dr_willis> one 'thing' i would like to see in gnome shell. is put the 'applications' thang as a hot spot at the bottom left.. its just awkward going to the top left.. THEN back down/right a little bit...
[00:23] <Ian_Corne> I want them on the left side now tho :p
[00:23] <Ian_Corne> the controls
[00:24] <dr_willis> I used ubuntu-tweak and gnome-tweak to twiddle with my settings.
[00:24] <urlin2u> dr_willis, you ever tried gnome-do or synapse.
[00:24] <dr_willis> used gnome-do for a long time.
[00:24] <dr_willis> prob. used synapse. i dont recall the name
[00:24] <dr_willis> !info synapse
[00:24] <urlin2u> synapse is like gnome-do I like it better of the 2.
[00:25] <dr_willis> i really dont use any of those these days.. i got the 5 apps i use on my panel at the left.. and thats about it.
[00:27] <dr_willis> Prob i found with a lot of the gnome-do/synapse stuff - is theres so many plugins and extas.. and basically.. I cant figure out how to even use them....
[00:27] <dr_willis> :)
[00:27] <Ian_Corne> I must say, compared to gnome-shell, unity looks less fancy
[00:27] <Ian_Corne> but unity is more clear as to what is where
[00:27] <dr_willis> the whole hidden gui/menus/button mindset...
[00:27] <dr_willis> but with that logic.. kde is even more clear. :)
[00:28] <ali1234> kde is more clear
[00:28] <ali1234> but it is also fugly and confusing in other ways
[00:28] <dr_willis> I just constantly forget/overlook the copy dialogs in kde.. :)
[00:28] <Ian_Corne> maybe, but i just don't feel good when using KDE
[00:28] <Ian_Corne> it's too much fluff for me,
[00:28] <Ian_Corne> and i know I don't have to
[00:28] <dr_willis> One thing i do normally set up in compiz is where the file/copy dialogs are 'always on top' also try to make them stay at the top right...
[00:29] <Ian_Corne> guess it's just something personal
[00:29] <ali1234> kde desperately needs someone to make a theme that is actually good, and then go through all the apps and make them use consistent font sizes
[00:29] <coz_> ^^^
[00:29] <ali1234> and fix it so it can actually centre text properly
[00:29] <ali1234> horizontally *and* vertically damnit
[00:30] <coz_> ali1234,  that has always been my biggest issue with kde,, "fonts"  and "theme"  both rather bland and unapealling as well as irritating at times
[00:30] <ali1234> i totally agree
[00:30] <ali1234> one time i tried to make KDE look exactly like 9.04 gnome
[00:30] <ali1234> i failed
[00:30] <coz_> lol
[00:31] <ali1234> although i got close
[00:31] <dr_willis> with all the work in 'gui design' and so forth over the years.. you would think every desktop/wm would have learned to make a few 'basic standard' themes..   a light, dark,   blue, grey, and perhaps a larger/smaller'  standard theme sets...
[00:31] <coz_> ali1234,  I believe kde requres a little more powerful a systen than  have at th e moment to run properly
[00:32] <dr_willis> kde is supposed to be able to turn down the eyecandy  on the fly, or via settings to match lower end systems. :)
[00:32] <ali1234> gnome isn't exactly light either
[00:32] <dr_willis> icewm! :)
[00:32] <coz_> dr_willis,  I agree completely,,
[00:32] <dr_willis> which is slightly broken in 11.10... poor icewm...
[00:32] <dr_willis> and has 1000+ themes.. 99.9% of them are totally hidious...
[00:33] <coz_> :)
[00:33] <dr_willis> I just want a nice light blue/grey/ theme.. with not tiny tiny fonts.... thats easy to read....
[00:33] <dr_willis> this grey on black i got in gnome-shell is a bit annoying
[00:34] <coz_> dr_willis,  not sure,, does gnome-tweak-tool allow for color changes? maybe gnome-color-chooser?
[00:34] <dr_willis> coz_,  i messed with the theme/settings so much in gnome-tweak im not sure what all i did..
[00:34] <dr_willis> i even copyed a few files to my home dir..
[00:34] <coz_> dr_willis,  that I understand :)
[00:35] <coz_> well.. I have decided not to test this version this time,, I think I will just wait until release
[00:36] <dr_willis> i found some theme  from a url that basically went to...   .local/share/gnome-shell/extensions   but they dident seem to show up
[00:36] <coz_> I did try gnome3 /gnome-shell/and  fallback mode,, I was slightly impressed :)
[00:37] <coz_> on fedora that is  hope it is nearly as smooth on ubuntu
[00:39] <dr_willis> I tested with the fedora live cd - it was sluggish. due to the nvidia drivers/noveau drivers...
[00:39] <dr_willis> what if all these disrtos start falling back to using the 'default vanilla gnome shell' setup! oh the humanity! :)
[00:39] <ali1234> coz_: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/hmmkde.png
[00:39] <ali1234> that's as close as i could get, and it took me several days
[00:40] <coz_> ali1234,  not too bad actually,,
[00:40] <dr_willis> You can definatly tell the kde 'font' look.....
[00:40] <coz_> :)
[00:40] <ali1234> yes and the misaligned text on the task bar
[00:40] <coz_> why oh why did they choose that font /
[00:40] <ali1234> that's actually the ubuntu font lol
[00:41] <ali1234> kde just does a terrible job of rendering it
[00:41] <dr_willis> RSS Reader   looks 'nasty' :)
[00:41] <ali1234> at least i think it is, let me check
[00:42] <ali1234> yes, it is
[00:42] <dr_willis> Now.. do the fonts in the Firefox menu look the same as in the other fonts?
[00:42] <dr_willis> Ive noticved  befor - FF looking a lot differnt for the same text/fonts...
[00:42] <ali1234> it looks pretty much the same
[00:42] <ali1234> maybe a little cleaner but it's hard to tell
[00:43] <dr_willis> I had some screen shots once where it was defaintaly noticeable..
[00:45] <dr_willis> time to get ready for work...
[00:46] <dr_willis> bbl
[00:52] <TechnoCat> I installed the 3.1rc2 kernel debs after doing a complete install of lubuntu 11.10. Now, when I try to install flgrx through the additional software dialogue it tells me I have broken packages. I don't seem to have any broken packages. Anyone know anything about this?
[00:53] <coz_> TechnoCat,  not sure since my knowledge of ati cards is probably nonexistent,, however, did you try sudo apt-get install -f  or open synaptic packages manager under the "Edit" menu  "Fix broken packages"?
[00:54] <TechnoCat> yes
[00:54] <TechnoCat> they don't do much because synaptic says there are no broken packages
[00:54] <escott> TechnoCat, i think you need to find an flgrx package to match your kernel
[00:55] <TechnoCat> okay, i was wondering about taht, because that is the only thing i have changed
[00:55] <yofel> then probably only the package failed to install. I know that at least the nvidia driver has a dkms setting to not build it against kernel >= 3.1
[00:57] <TechnoCat> is fglrx official ati?
[00:57] <escott> TechnoCat, yes
[00:59] <TechnoCat> i'll try installing the drivers from the website, but i have never had luck with that in the past
[01:00] <TechnoCat> it's unfortunate my wireless card (ralink 539f) only works with the 3.1 linux kernel
[01:03] <Vanillalite> Okay Unity doesn't seem to work for me in 11.10 as I get these weird black bars overlaying my top panel and left side unity panel... and when I move around sometimes my screen goes black.... Unity 2d works fine though... have a 48XX series aticard with flx drivers installed... known bug or something I can fix?
[01:06] <TechnoCat> nooo, uninstalling fglrx removed gcc too, lol
[01:06] <yofel> well, installing build-essential and the kernel headers should be enough for the driver
[01:09] <TechnoCat> how do i see what graphics driver i'm using?
[01:10] <coz_> TechnoCat,  in terminal   lspci | grep -i vga
[01:10] <TechnoCat> wno't that just show my current gpu?
[01:11] <escott> TechnoCat, glxinfo or scanning through xorg.0.log
[01:11] <coz_> TechnoCat,  sorry yes,, I was thinking card  not driver
[01:11] <coz_> TechnoCat,  is it nvidia?
[01:11] <TechnoCat> ati
[01:11] <coz_> TechnoCat,  darn,, sorry I gorgot
[01:12] <coz_> not sure then
[01:12] <coz_> forgot
[01:14] <TechnoCat> glxinfo appears to tell me i am still in software mode
[01:17] <yofel> TechnoCat: checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you whatever driver X is using currently
[01:17] <TechnoCat> i don't have an xorg log
[01:18] <coz_> o0
[01:18] <TechnoCat> yes i do, i'm dumb
[01:18] <coz_> phew
[01:18] <coz_> :)
[01:19] <TechnoCat> anything i should grep this for?
[01:20] <TechnoCat> 12.670] (II) AMD Video driver is running on a device belonging to a group targeted for this release
[01:20] <yofel> read it, it should tell the driver version somewhere. I don't use ati so I don't know what you need to look for
[01:20] <TechnoCat> that looks good
[01:20] <coz_> you can try sudo gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:21] <TechnoCat> i'm going to restart
[01:23] <TechnoCat> my laptop keyboard has no sys rq key. =[
[01:23] <TechnoCat> oh wait yes it does, just waasn't labled under print screen
[01:26] <TechnoCat> my glxinfo output: http://pastebin.com/uBfjvMGS
[01:43] <miki> i keep getting can't read frame: Invalid argument (0) with tvtime i am currently on ubuntu 11.10 alpha i tried tvtime-configure --norm=ntsc --frequencies=us-cable100 with the hauppuage usb stick i know it's not a driver issue because me-tv works but all i get is a blue and yellow flashing screen anyone with any idea's
[01:51] <miki> i was trying to switch to tvtime because me-tv i have to rescan channels everytime i want a particular channel and the picture pixels will scatter with some loss of sound
[01:52] <miki> but me-tv does work in regards to getting cable into the linux OS
[01:56] <miki> i have a full ubuntu OS no windows at all
[01:57] <miki> is there a scan for channels anywhere in tvtime?
[01:59] <miki> ill check back in a few let me look at docs again brb
[03:18] <pollux_> hello everyone
[03:19] <pollux_> what a warm welcome how do i do a blushing emot?
[03:19] <pollux_> i'm gonna go jack off everyone have a nice night
[04:09] <rww> ... what.
[04:10] <poolie> is it a known bug that the drop down menus intermittently don't appear when i mouse over the top bar?
[04:51] <kyubutsu_kde> kde font rendering is just fine in 11.10
[04:52] <kyubutsu_kde> in fact, it awesum!
[04:52] <kyubutsu_kde> >:(
[04:53] <kyubutsu_kde> been waiting for them to get it right, and .. tis the season
[04:54] <kyubutsu_kde> very exciting release for kubuntu
[04:54] <rww> What exciting thing does 4.6 have that 4.5 doesn't? The only difference I've seen is an increased focus on Activities, which I can't get myself to use :P
[04:55] <Vanillalite> Running Ubuntu 11.10 regular Unity gives me black bars over the top panel and unity panel and sometimes the screen goes black... Unity 2d works fine (using it now) any ideas?
[04:56] <kyubutsu_kde> there have been quite a few small changes and then others like muon [which needs work
[04:56] <kyubutsu_kde> and am content with what i see
[04:56] <jbicha> Vanillalite: use Unity 2D then! ;-)
[04:56] <rww> I use aptitude exclusively :S
[04:57] <billybigrigger> anyone had problems with ati drivers and jockey?
[04:57] <Vanillalite> Also if it matters I have a 4830 Ati Card with the FGLXR installed
[04:58] <Vanillalite> I can post a screen shot if need be too :P
[05:00] <kyubutsu_kde> also, rww, 11.10 runs on 4.7
[05:00] <kyubutsu_kde> :-P
[05:01] <Vanillalite> :-D
[05:01] <rww> ah, yeah, I was misreading packages.ubuntu.com. You know what I meant :P
[05:01] <rww> (4.6 to 4.7)
[05:02] <kyubutsu_kde> you should give it your best unbiased look.  it might even make you nostalgic since your gnu gnomes look nothing like the good ol' stuff
[05:03] <kyubutsu_kde> and kde pretty much still has the same feel from 4.x series
[05:05] <billybigrigger> jockey is giving me problems trying to install ati propriatery drivers, complaining about held broked packages, i've ran apt-get -f autoremove and autoclean with the same error
[05:06] <billybigrigger> is there an alternate method of installing ati drivers?
[05:06] <kyubutsu_kde> another thing, i got a radeon hd 5450 on this cube and have not found any issues on the gallium 0.4...  whoa, am not using the proprietary driver!  just figured
[05:06] <kyubutsu_kde> o.0
[05:06] <kyubutsu_kde> flawless
[05:07] <kyubutsu_kde> and i got acceleration and effects going.. whoa
[05:08] <kyubutsu_kde> sure, its a 2.80ghz pentium, 3gigs of ram.. but still
[05:10] <kyubutsu_kde> quite cool
[05:11] <billybigrigger> no one has had the same jockey problem i'm having?
[05:11] <kyubutsu_kde> !bug
[05:20] <kyubutsu_kde> yah, this looks so good i totally forgot it was gallium i was using
[05:20] <kyubutsu_kde> :D
[05:21] <billybigrigger> any laptop users experience a mouse delay sometimes switching windows, or just randomly using their lappy?
[05:22] <billybigrigger> kyubutsu_kde, where do you set your video driver nowadays? i see theres no xorg.conf
[05:24] <kyubutsu_kde> kickoff>applications>system>additional drivers
[05:25] <kyubutsu_kde> fglrx is sitting there , you run that and that's it
[05:25] <kyubutsu_kde> but am betting you're on gnomunity
[05:26] <billybigrigger> yes
[05:26] <billybigrigger> and jockey won't install that driver
[05:27] <billybigrigger> complaining about broked held packages, but cleaning apt still won't solve the issue
[05:28] <kyubutsu_kde> i say wait for the next update and see what happens
[05:28] <kyubutsu_kde> jockey is known to do things like this in alpha testing
[05:28] <billybigrigger> k how do i tell what driver im using then?
[05:29] <billybigrigger> in the olden days i would check xorg.conf...now i have no clue what driver im using
[05:30] <kyubutsu_kde> to be honest, i have no idea how unity handles stuff lately.. i only tried it for a week for testing
[05:32] <kyubutsu_kde> billybigrigger: although, i think glxgears should throw you some info
[05:34] <billybigrigger> well not having catalyst and ati config sucks
[05:35] <billybigrigger> well it's as fast as glxgears can go 60fps, syncd to the refresh rate
[05:36] <billybigrigger> hmm
[05:36] <billybigrigger> sys info shows me Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
[05:37] <billybigrigger> how do i turn on effects now
[06:03] <billybigrigger> how do i change my video driver?
[06:03] <billybigrigger> im stuck with vesa drivers
[06:07] <bullgard4_> Why does GNOME 3 provide Thunderbird and not Evolution by default?
[06:08] <micahg> bullgard4: Ubuntu provides thunderbird as a default, not GNOME
[06:10] <bullgard4_> micahg: My understanding is that Ubuntu GNOME 2provided by default Evolution but Ubuntu GNOME 3 provides Thunderbird by default. I would like to know what caused this change.
[06:10] <popey> you understand incorrectly
[06:11] <bullgard4_> popey: Please elaborate.
[06:11] <micahg> bullgard4: Ubuntu oneiric's mail default is Thunderbird, previouionsly it was evolut
[06:11] <popey> re-read what micahg said
[06:11] <popey> Ubuntu 11.04 ships Evolution by default
[06:11] <popey> Ubuntu 11.10 will ship Thunderbird by default
[06:11] <popey> Ubuntu 11.04 is based on GNOME 2
[06:11] <popey> Ubuntu 11.10 is based on GNOME 3
[06:12] <popey> but GNOME itself ships evolution, not Thunderbird
[06:14] <bullgard4_> popey: And I would like why Ubuntu ships in Oneiric GNOME 3 Thunderbird although Ubuntu ships in GNOME 2 Evolution by default.
[06:14] <jbicha> GNOME also ships epiphany as the default web browser
[06:15] <popey> bullgard4_: Since Ubuntu started it has tried to ship the best of breed in each category of app
[06:15] <popey> sometimes that means changing applications
[06:15] <bullgard4_> jbicha: You did not anser my question.
[06:15] <popey> e.g we switched from Rhythmbox to Banshee
[06:15] <popey> and now switched from Evolution to Thunderbird
[06:16] <bullgard4_> popey: "The best of breed" is a vage answer.
[06:16] <micahg> bullgard4: the mail default has nothing to do with GNOME versions
[06:16] <popey> bullgard4_: a number of people over the years have requested thunderbird as the default
[06:16] <popey> bullgard4_: many times it's been looked at
[06:17] <popey> for a number of reasons the decision wasn't made to switch in the past
[06:17] <micahg> bullgard4_: please see this blueprint for more information on the choice: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client
[06:17] <jbicha> bullgard4_: you're welcome to continue using Evolution, many Ubuntu devs still use it
[06:18] <bullgard4_> jbicha: Yes.
[06:18] <jbicha> bullgard4_: Ubuntu does not ship everything GNOME does nor does GNOME ship everything Ubuntu does
[06:19] <popey> bullgard4_: it was discussed at the last Ubuntu Developer Summit
[06:22] <bullgard4_> micahg: Ah! Thank you very much for your help.
[06:34] <Amaranth> hmm, is mono uninstallable for anyone else?
[07:01] <bullgard4_> Amaranth: When speaking about "installation" one usually means a DEB program package. What package do you speak about?
[07:01] <Amaranth> uh
[07:01] <Amaranth> bullgard4_: mono-runtime says it won't install due to mono-gac not being there but mono-gac says it's installed
[07:01] <Amaranth> haven't checked versions yet, too lazy
[07:02] <Amaranth> I'll probably go fix it if it's still broken when I was to use banshee
[07:04] <bullgard4_> Amaranth: On my Oneiric computer mono-gac is installed.  My Banshee works all right. I do not see a necessity for me to de-install mono-gac version 2.10.3-1
[07:04] <Amaranth> Right then, you don't know what I'm talking about. That's fine then
[07:05] <bullgard4_> Amaranth: have fun.
[08:57] <dsathe>  /msg NickServ help
[09:29] <Meeko> Hello. Anybody here have tested 11.10 on the med-2011 refresh of the MacBook Air?
[10:00] <dsathe> anyone having issues with data cards
[10:00] <dsathe> on 11.10
[10:01] <dsathe> suddenly mine is not recogonised
[10:01] <dsathe> :(
[10:32] <drussell> so I'm having some strange issues with wireless on a fully updated 11.10
[10:33] <drussell> lenovo x201 with standard 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35)
[10:33] <drussell> I can select the connection in network manager fine...
[10:33] <drussell> it connects
[10:33] <drussell> but then it seems as if the connection won't actually pass any traffic
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> have you tried this with another wireless network?
[10:36] <Ian_Corne> or a different system on the same network?
[10:37] <drussell> Ian_Corne: and this is where it all gets a bit odd..
[10:37] <drussell> Ian_Corne: no other machine on my network has any problem with the wireless connection
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> ok
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> I've not seen this particular issue yet
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> at elast not in this channel for this alpha
[10:39] <drussell> Ian_Corne: thanks, I'm poking about in the logs but I can't see anything obvious
[10:39] <drussell> Ian_Corne: but it's also difficult to describe, so awkward to raise a sensible bug on
[10:42] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[10:44] <dsathe> Ian_Corne: my wireless datacard (EDVO) is still not being recogonised , although lsusb lists it
[10:45] <Ian_Corne> are you in all the correct groups?
[10:46] <Ian_Corne> I'm sorry don't really have time for troubleshooting, and for wireless stuff, i usually just search the internet far and wide, try different drivers and stuff
[12:19] <TechnoCat> anybody know anything about the ati radeon 6310 and linux kernel 3.1rc2?
[12:19] <TechnoCat> as in, why can't i get them to work together
[12:21] <TechnoCat> also, how do i remove the ati binary drivers?
[12:21] <Pici> We don't have 3.1 in Oneiric.
[12:21] <dr_willis> package manager tool, or the jockey-gtk app ibelive TechnoCat.
[12:22] <TechnoCat> i downloaded a deb from kernel.ubuntu.com
[12:22] <TechnoCat> jockey-gtk fails at startup. =\
[12:22] <dr_willis> well thats not a good idea TechnoCat  to be using kernels like that..
[12:22] <TechnoCat> i have to for my wifi card
[12:22] <dr_willis> we basically cant trouble shoot it at all.
[12:22] <TechnoCat> =[
[12:23] <dr_willis> but is it a testing kernel? or some ppa? or what exactly?
[12:23] <TechnoCat> testing
[12:23] <dr_willis> guess it needs more testing. :()
[12:23] <TechnoCat> heh
[12:23] <dr_willis> $ uname -a
[12:23] <dr_willis> Linux CowBuntu 3.0.0-8-generic #11-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 12 20:20:03 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[12:23] <TechnoCat> guess i'll be using windows until it is more stable
[12:23] <TechnoCat> =\
[12:24] <TechnoCat> damn you manufacturers! giving me windows drivers only!
[12:24] <dr_willis> i think thats the latest for 10.11    Not sure when the kernel-freze takes effect.  Might allready have..
[12:24] <dr_willis> !schedule
[12:24] <dr_willis> September 15th    KernelFreeze,
[12:24] <TechnoCat> so you mean kernel 3.1 won't make it into 11.10?
[12:25] <dr_willis> No idea.
[12:25] <TechnoCat> is a kernel a feature?
[12:25] <dr_willis> the kernel is the core of the os...   so they want to freeze it early in the testing phase.. but still  theres alwyas new features in the newer versions tha tpeople want.. so its a catch-22 situation..
[12:26] <TechnoCat> well hmmm
[12:26] <dr_willis> Kernel Freeze seems tobe right befor beta2 is scheduled..
[12:26] <TechnoCat> i guess i can look at more cutting edge distros
[12:27] <Pici> Its not unpresidented, we've changed kernel in the past in the middle of testing
[12:27] <TechnoCat> oh, i didn't see "kernelfreeze' hiding there
[12:27] <dr_willis> Ubuntu has never tried to be cutting edge..  :)  theres 100's of disrtos out therre..  depends on your needs.
[12:30] <TechnoCat> can anyone recommend a cutting edge debian based distro?
[12:30] <Pici> debian!
[12:30] <TechnoCat> heh
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:32] <BluesKaj> TechnoCat, yeah Kubuntu 11.10  :)
[12:32] <TechnoCat> did debian switch to kfreebsd kernel?
[12:32] <TechnoCat> BluesKaj, with a 3.1 linux kernel
[12:34] <BluesKaj> well, it's close TechnoCat , 3.0.0-8 , but havent seen anything mentioned about 3.1 ...isn't it a bit early in the game for that.
[12:34] <TechnoCat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11145357&postcount=46
[12:34] <TechnoCat> ^^^ this is why i want 3.1
[12:35] <BluesKaj> wantb and need a different things , be carefulwhat you wish for :)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> are
[12:35] <TechnoCat> i wish for wireless
[12:36] <BluesKaj> TechnoCat, so you 3.0.1 right ?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> mean
[12:36] <Pici> No, 3.1
[12:37] <Pici> Linus released the rc
[12:37] <TechnoCat> rc2
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I see nothing in the posted url about 3.1
[12:38]  * Pici hasn't looked at the url
[12:38] <TechnoCat> yeah, it says 3.0.1
[12:38] <TechnoCat> which apparently i misread
[12:39] <TechnoCat> but still, 3.0.1!
[12:39] <TechnoCat> i guess i'll try that today
[12:39] <TechnoCat> maybe fglrx plays nice with 3.0.1
[12:41] <TechnoCat> oh hmm, 3.0.2
[12:41] <BluesKaj> TechnoCat, . yesterday I was advised to tru wicd-kde for wifi ralink 2780 usb adapter , which hasn't worked since 10,04 ...and after reboot and giving wicd passhphrase wpa2 worked right from the get go. ..surprised me
[12:42] <TechnoCat> BluesKaj, it works flawlessly on kernel 3.1 ;]
[12:42] <TechnoCat> just now graphics is borked
[12:43] <TechnoCat> but i'll try it
[12:43] <TechnoCat> if i can remember to in 7 hours!
[12:43] <BluesKaj> which graphics ?
[12:43] <TechnoCat> fglrx
[12:43] <TechnoCat> i can't get opengl to work
[12:43] <TechnoCat> glxgears fails to even start
[12:45] <BluesKaj> if wifi works flawlessly on kernel 3.01 , then why are you wishing for wireless ?
[12:45] <TechnoCat> i'm not, now i'm wishing for opengl in 3.1
[12:45] <TechnoCat> but everyone says why 3.1 and i say wireless
[12:46] <TechnoCat> which takes me to there is no support for 3.1
[12:46] <TechnoCat> and you're going to be driving me in circles asking that
[12:46] <BluesKaj> ok , nm ... this discussion is over for me
[12:48] <Ian_Corne> what does networkmanager have to do with this?
[12:48] <Ian_Corne> :p
[12:49] <TechnoCat> like he said, he was surprised it worked
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, not the networkmanager in kde , but wicd-kde
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> BluesKaj: i was joking about "ok, _nm_ ..."
[12:53] <Ian_Corne> but nvm :)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> alright :)
[12:59] <TechnoCat> if 3.0.1 makes it to oneiric, i'll be happy panda
[13:49] <CarlFK> what's the command line image bin poster?
[13:49] <CarlFK> which I think it tied into one of the bug reporting tools
[13:49] <CarlFK> hmm, I should ask this in #bugs
[13:59] <bullgard4_> 'man gsettings-data-convert': "gsettings-data-convert reads values out of the users GConf database and stores them in GSettings." What is GSettings?
[14:26] <Pretto> hi, can anyone help about this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/668304/?
[14:26] <Pretto> it starded after today updates
[14:27] <Airon90> Hi you all, is there someone who have problems after last upgrade?
[14:28] <Airon90> I have problem with package apport, because Aptitude says that there is a "continue" not in a loop
[14:29] <Airon90> What should I do?
[14:29] <jibel> Airon90, this is bug 828037
[14:31] <Airon90> Thank you, I hope that there will be a solution soon. Thank you :)
[14:34] <bullgard4_> Pretto: Your question: "can anyone help about this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/668304/?" is not cleverly put. Please tell us what annoys you.
[14:34] <Pretto> bullgard4: jibel answered Airon90, he is facing the same problem as I am
[14:35] <bullgard4_> Pretto: Yes.
[14:40] <idleone> I am getting an error when trying to log in. "Cannot call D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?
[14:40] <idleone> not sure what to do now?
[14:40] <escott> idleone, is dbus-daemon running
[14:40] <idleone> escott: I have no clue
[14:41] <idleone> I'm in tty now, how do I check?
[14:42] <idleone> ps aux | grep dbus-daemon shows it running
[14:42] <idleone> I get this error with GUI login after I enter my password
[14:43] <escott> idleone, how about accounts-daemon
[14:43] <idleone> escott: that is not running
[14:44] <idleone> I do recall an update this morning with something about accounts
[14:44] <kyubutsu> dbus crashed after updates today!
[14:44] <BluesKaj> BBl, stuff to do
[14:44] <kyubutsu> :o
[14:44] <idleone> yay!
[14:44] <idleone> kyubutsu: any work around?
[14:44] <kyubutsu> not likely
[14:44] <escott> idleone, reboot is probably the easiest
[14:44] <kyubutsu> :(
[14:45] <idleone> escott: I have tried rebooting 3 times and still get the error
[14:46] <idleone> did I mention I am running Kubuntu+1
[14:46] <escott> idleone, you won't be able to login through lightdm without the accounts-daemon, and i can't find any kind of lightdm documentation
[14:46] <idleone> not using lightdm
[14:46] <idleone> using kdm
[14:48] <idleone> awesome apport and apport-kde are failing to configure now also
[14:48] <idleone> Why Kubuntu!!! why are you failing me now :(
[14:49] <kyubutsu_kde> i could login to terminal but qdbus [dbus] crashed to pieces.. critical error
[14:49] <kyubutsu_kde> :o
[14:49] <idleone> kyubutsu_kde: yeah logging in to terminal works
[14:49] <idleone> it's the GUI that is failing
[14:50] <idleone> oh well guess I'll be using irssi for a little bit
[14:50] <kyubutsu_kde> am kinda freaked out but we still got time til release
[14:51] <idleone> I'm sure it will be fixed soonish
[14:51]  * Pici reminds himself not to reboot
[14:51] <idleone> Pici: might want to change the topic and put something about d-bus
[14:51] <idleone> ?
[14:52] <Pici> Is there a bug logged or something concrete that we can put there?
[14:52] <idleone> not that I know. kyubutsu_kde might know
[14:52] <kyubutsu_kde> negative, i didnt retrieve the crash log
[14:52] <kyubutsu_kde> :(
[14:53] <idleone> I got a reason to go outside today
[14:53] <idleone> heh
[14:55] <kyubutsu_kde> i was running alpha3 as-is .. so my guess is someone else WILL experience dbus crash soon
[14:55] <idleone> booting to live cd. I need a gui :/
[14:56] <Pici> pff
[14:56] <idleone> nee/want
[14:56] <idleone> need*
[14:56] <idleone> sudo reboot -now and please fic d-bus soon
[15:00] <kyubutsu_kde> do not reboot ! danger! possible dbus crash on kubuntu+1 systems!
[15:00] <kyubutsu_kde> heh
[15:00] <kyubutsu_kde> something like that
[15:01] <kyubutsu_kde> bug reports needed !   >:(
[15:05] <kyubutsu_kde> akonadi has been crashing on log out too.. and now dbus .. i think they might be related
[15:10] <IdleOne> kyubutsu_kde, Would there be a d-bus crash log in /var/crash ?
[15:10] <IdleOne> I don't see any
[15:11] <kyubutsu_kde> !ping
[15:16] <kyubutsu> IdleOne: no crash log   :(
[15:16] <IdleOne> kyubutsu, here either
[15:16] <IdleOne> it just broken :(
[15:19] <IdleOne> not finding anything in launchpad either
[15:19] <kyubutsu> this a fresh bug , i tell you
[15:20] <kyubutsu> i updated daily .. it was something in yesterdays patches
[15:20] <IdleOne> kyubutsu, I update several times a day.
[15:20] <IdleOne> this is definitely new
[15:20] <kyubutsu> :-P
[15:21] <kyubutsu> you on livecd now?
[15:22] <IdleOne> yes
[15:23] <kyubutsu> and there is nothing at all about the crash on hdd?
[15:24] <IdleOne> nope
[15:24] <kyubutsu> i mean , not even old crash logs or..
[15:24] <IdleOne> I have a few old crash logs but nothing about d-bus
[15:24] <kyubutsu> i see
[15:25] <IdleOne> I have akonadi_agent_launcher fontcofig_voodoo apport-kde
[15:32] <kyubutsu> i was watching an akonadi agent bug that crashed on log out
[15:32] <kyubutsu> filed on it two days ago
[15:34] <kyubutsu> actually, i didnt file it. it was there already so i just marked it as 'being affected by it'
[15:36] <kyubutsu> i hate duplicates
[15:36] <kyubutsu> but now i cannot find it !
[15:36] <kyubutsu> >:(
[15:41] <topyli> does/will trunderbird talk to the evolution-data-server, or will it just be hacked into the unity calendar applet?
[15:44] <bullgard4_> topyli: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client
[15:46] <topyli> bullgard4_: thanks, but that says nothing about it (except that it won't work in this cycle by default)
[15:47] <bullgard4_> topyli: I do not know any more about these proceeding. Sorry.
[15:47] <bullgard4_> +s
[15:49] <bullgard4_> 'man gsettings-data-convert': "gsettings-data-convert reads values out of the users GConf database and stores them in GSettings." What is GSettings?
[15:49] <topyli> looks like the calendar applet will be as useful as it is in windows
[15:49] <topyli> you can see whether the 19th is a friday, but not whether or not you have meetins on that day
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> the new 'registery' bullgard4_
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> for all the settings
[15:50] <bullgard4_> Ian_Corne: And how can I access it?
[15:50] <topyli> registry eh :)
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> it's basicly that topyli :p
[15:50] <Ian_Corne> a registery of all the settings
[15:50] <topyli> if you insist
[15:55] <bullgard4_> Ian_Corne: The command 'gsettings' accesses it. But I would like to know if a graphical tool helps me accessing it.
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> i have no idea
[15:58] <bullgard4_> Ian_Corne: Thank you very much for your help.
[16:08] <t1m310rd> does anyone know how to install LightDM in Natty
[16:10] <bullgard4_> t1m310rd: I don't think that your plan is a good idea.
[16:15] <Ian_Corne> idd
[16:38] <SpamapS> got this basically streaming in my .xession-errors:
[16:38] <SpamapS> (nautilus:7383): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_value_get_object: assertion `G_VALUE_HOLDS_OBJECT (value)' failed
[16:38] <SpamapS> Have not yet updated to the "borken" glib.. any advice?
[16:38] <Meeko> Anybody here tried ubuntu 11.10 on the mid-2011 macbook air?
[16:39] <SpamapS> Meeko: I have 11.04 on a MBA 4,1 ... been thinking about giving oneiric a shot
[16:39] <SpamapS> Meeko: since 11.04 requires multiple hacks just to boot into 1024x768 w/ no 3D :-P
[16:39] <Meeko> SpamapS: And it's fully functional?
[16:39] <SpamapS> No. :(
[16:39] <SpamapS> i915 misbehaves
[16:39] <SpamapS> keyboard mapping is missing
[16:40] <SpamapS> (so no fn+anything)
[16:40] <SpamapS> Occasionally the sound works
[16:41] <SpamapS> I was thinking I'd give oneiric a shot this week actually.
[16:41] <Meeko> Hehe. Sounds like I'll wait.
[16:41] <Meeko> How is gestures treating you?
[16:43] <SpamapS> Its basically just a small machine to run terminals on.. I don't use it for much else.
[16:43] <SpamapS> Watch a movie here and there when there's no in flight wifi ;)
[16:44] <SpamapS> I think gestures is a generational thing.. I couldn't care less about them. :-P
[16:45] <Meeko> Hehe. I got rid of my stationary and laptop and now using MBA as a primary machine. (with external screen). I miss ubuntu, though.
[16:46] <SpamapS> I have the 11" .. its really just for planes and use downstairs on the couch ;)
[16:47] <SpamapS> Meeko: it should work in 11.10 .. lots of i915 improvements in 3.0.0
[16:47] <SpamapS> And I believe we have the version of mesa required
[17:48] <bullgard6> What timer program isto be recommended in GNOME 3?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> getting the message "cannot cal D-Bus , try qbus ? " or something like that , .choosing okay just brings me back to the login page with the message after I try to login
[18:13] <Pici> BluesKaj: Someone mentioned that earlier.
[18:13] <BluesKaj> any ideas on this ...seems rather serious
[18:13] <Pici> If you can find me a bug # I'll throw it in the topic.
[18:14] <BluesKaj> Pici:  I'm on irssi so I have no browser to search
[18:14] <Pici> w3m :)
[18:22] <xnox_> nigher lightdm nor gdm start
[18:23] <xnox_> something about gio
[18:23] <xnox_> =( *sigh*
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Pici: what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/827753
[18:24] <charlie-tca> guess I should have looked first
[18:25] <Pici> xnox_: please update/upgrade
[18:26] <bullgard6> What timer program is to be recommended in GNOME 3? --  GNOME will not install teatime due to missing dependencies.
[18:26] <Pici> bullgard6: I'd file a bug about that.
[18:27] <xnox_> Pici: charlie-tca: thanks was looking for something like that
[18:27] <bullgard6> Pici: Hm. --  Yes, I will.
[18:28] <yofel> if BluesKaj comes back, the qdbus issue should be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/827815
[18:31] <goto> I installed ubuntu alpha3 and want to install gnome3. but i got an error by installing the gnome-packet:  gnome : Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7ubuntu3) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[18:31] <goto> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:31] <goto> "soll aber nicht installiert werden" => "should not be installed"
[18:31] <goto> don't know where the problem is, can anyone help?
[18:31] <trism> goto: install gnome-shell and/or gnome-session-fallback if you would like a gnome 3 session
[18:32] <goto> ok, i will try that
[18:53] <billybigrigger> what's with the title bar font after today's update?
[19:06] <tzoscott>  I upgraded to the alpha of oneiric and now I have no desktop. (Yes, I do know better and impulse got the best of me). I don't have any package errors. tty7 stops outputting after Starting Timidity++. lightdm is running. Just nothing graphical on any terminal...
[19:09] <bullgard6> tzoscott: Analyze /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:11] <tzoscott> bullgard6: 'nvidia' module fails to load. It suggests reviewing kernel log for additional errors. /var/log/messages is empty (literally)...
[19:12] <Ian_Corne> tzoscott: apt-get install nvidia --reinstall
[19:13] <trism> tzoscott: /var/log/messages is disabled by default in recent ubuntu versions, check /var/log/kern.log for kernel messages and /var/log/syslog for just about everything else
[19:13] <tzoscott> Ian_Corne: "Unable to locate package nvidia"
[19:13] <tzoscott> trism: thx. Will check there..
[19:17] <bullgard6> trism: Did Ubuntu follow other ditributions by abandoning /var/log/messages?
[19:18] <tzoscott> OK. /var/log/syslog: gdm-simple-slave: gdm/custom.conf: No such file.    Rerun dpkg with a reconfigure?
[19:21] <tzoscott> OK, if I run 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' I get warnings from dpkg-maintscript-helper, warning environment variable DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing, DPKG_MAINTSCRIPT_PACKAGE missing.
[19:21] <tzoscott> Is this why I am missing the conf file?
[19:23] <tzoscott> At this point I am open to running any DM. If I get this to a desktop I will sit tight on my install until the official beta comes out. :-)
[19:26] <yofel> bullgard6: yes, errors are in syslog now
[19:26] <trism> bullgard6: this is the changelog message where it was added: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/4.6.4-2ubuntu4
[19:31] <tertitten> anyone know if the look and feel that is talked about here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/717 is in 11.10 alpha3 ?
[19:32] <tzoscott> Any suggestion for how to resolve the error gdm-simple-slave: gdm/custom.conf: No such file ?
[19:32] <urlin2u> tertitten, was on mine yetserday after a update.
[19:33] <urlin2u> the look anyway tertitten
[19:33] <tzoscott> Actually that can't be the error anymore... I reconfigured to use lightdm. And it has configs. Hmm
[19:34] <tertitten> urlin2u, ok, thanks
[19:34] <dsathe> lsusb gives Bus 006 Device 003: ID 12d1:1446 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E1552 (HSPA modem)
[19:34] <dsathe> but its not being detected by nm applet
[19:34] <dsathe> :(
[19:34] <dsathe> cannot connect
[19:34] <dsathe> can i connect via command line
[19:35] <trism> tzoscott: you could check the log files in /var/log/lightdm but it seems like you are using the nvidia, so you may want to check dkms status first to see if the modules are built
[19:39] <tzoscott> trism: Thanks. Unfortunately 'lightdm' does not appear in dkms' search results. nvidia does, but a lot of it looks pre-11.10 info,
[19:40] <tzoscott> Putting this another way, can anyone confirm they are running oneiric with nvidia?
[19:40] <tzoscott> and amd64
[19:41] <tzoscott> lightdm is running, and it says on terminal 7. Damn, I'm never jumping off a cliff with my eyes closed ever again.
[19:42] <trism> tzoscott: lightdm can run without nvidia working, it spawns children for the x session, which will require nvidia
[19:43] <tzoscott> trism: any way to fall back to nv or even a generic display driver?
[19:43] <trism> tzoscott: lsmod | grep nvidia; to see if the module is running, dkms status should say something like: nvidia-current, 280.13, 3.0.0-8-generic, i686: installed
[19:43]  * yofel runs nvidia with KDM but still uses nomodeset as well
[19:45] <trism> tzoscott: you can try nouveau, someone else may be able to walk you through reverting to that (I think just removing nvidia-current and moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way). I never really use it because it spins my fan at 100% all the time
[19:46] <tzoscott> lsmod|grep -i nvidia yields nothing. dkms status is interesting: nvidia-current is listed twice: 2.6.38-10 generic, and 3.0.0-8-generic. Both x86_64
[19:46] <bullgard6> trism: Thank you very much for your help.
[19:46] <yofel> tzoscott: does lsmod|grep -i nouveau give something?
[19:46] <tzoscott> The current loaded kernel is 3.0.0-8-generic
[19:47] <tzoscott> yofel: Yes. A table of system names and numbers. Nouveau itself is in red text.
[19:47] <yofel> not good, nvidia can't work if nouveau is loaded
[19:48] <yofel> tzoscott: a) file a bug b) edit /etc/default/grub, add nomodeset to the default command line, save and run update-grub
[19:48] <yofel> after a reboot nvidia should work
[19:49] <tzoscott> Sweet. hope it is that easy. OK brb
[20:02] <tzoscott> yofel: OK, I get to lightdm now. After I log in, the screen flashes a line of console text and I am bounced back into lightdm. greeter log mentions some Gtk-critical errors, but I don't know if that's what bounces me back to lightdm
[20:03] <tzoscott> yofel: In any case, you trism bullgard6 were a big help. At least I get DM. I think the remaining error might just be software and I should wait it out..
[20:07] <tzoscott> ... and apologies for tying up folks with questions. Been doing software for 20 years, and I know better than to jump into an alpha without being prepared. (Tho I did it for the last 4 Ubuntu alpha releases, and was never burned by it).
[20:08] <tzoscott> Have a good day, all. :-)
[20:09] <bullgard6> [GNOME 3] How can I delete all plays? Using Synaptic is not enough. The plays re-appered after the recent upgrade.
[20:11] <trism> tzoscott: no need to apologize, we're here to help if we can
[20:13] <tzoscott> trism: Kind of you to say that (and help), but I recognize I shot my foot here even if you don't say it. :-)
[20:16] <tzoscott> BTW I've been using Linux since 1994. First Slackware, then RH, Debian, back to Fedora, and Ubuntu since Dapper
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> is it safe to update atm?
[20:32] <Ian_Corne> with the dbus stuff that's going round
[20:35] <yofel> Ian_Corne: that's qt only, and for a workaround install qt4-dev-tools
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> ah ok
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> I'm on lightdm
[20:36] <yofel> note: multiarch is freakin' confusing if you have no way to keep the packages apart in aptitude o.O
[20:36] <Ian_Corne> so np normally?
[20:37] <yofel> well, shouldn't affect anything that doesn't use qt (or qdbus rather)
[20:40] <escott> anyone know what is going on with all the certificate errors in 11.04
[20:40] <escott> empathy in particular keeps complaining
[20:41] <ali1234> i'm getting that with pidgin
[20:41] <janisozaur> where is "regular" tray in oneiric? I have some apps that have icons there but don't use appindicator
[20:41] <ali1234> i think it's a problem of the servers
[20:42] <escott> ali1234, i really dont care but i cant get empathy to shut-up no matter how often i say remember this
[20:42] <ali1234> same
[20:42] <ali1234> they keep changing the certs
[20:42] <ali1234> i'm getting it from twitter and facebook
[20:44] <escott> ali1234, the fact that im getting it from so many places suggests its a problem with the keychain
[20:44] <Ian_Corne> same escott
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> put yourself on 'offline'
[20:45] <Ian_Corne> it not off but at least you won't get IM's on your laptop instead of your desktop :p
[20:48] <escott> ok and dist-upgrade just asked to install libc6:i386... i think i will say no
[20:51] <jbicha> escott: that's part of nspluginwrapper & Flash working with using x86 libraries directly
[20:51] <jbicha> multiarch is the buzzword
[20:51] <ali1234> multiarch is a good idea
[20:52] <ali1234> i have a 64 bit server with a chrooted 32 bit install because of ia32libs
[20:52] <ali1234> it sucks and every time i upgrade anything it breaks
[20:53] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:53] <BUGabundo> any tips on getting my sound working ? :( please?
[20:53] <escott> jbicha, but why is it showing as NEW? can i avoid it by enabling sevenmachine ppa?
[20:54] <jbicha> escott: it shows as NEW because it wasn't installed on your computer before
[20:54] <jbicha> it's an indirect dependency of ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:54] <jbicha> it's better just to let it install, it won't break your Flash
[20:55] <escott> jbicha, im just confused because i have flash already. im not clear on what i would need libc6 for
[20:55] <ali1234> maybe something else. wine maybe?
[20:55] <ali1234> or anything that is 32 bit only
[20:55] <yofel> escott: flash uses the 32bit libraries, now it's installing the mulitarch package instead of using the ones from ia32-libs
[20:56] <escott> yofel, ok thanks... found the wiki page
[20:58] <BUGabundo> where's crisum when we need him :(
[20:58] <ali1234> BUGabundo: did it work before?
[20:58] <BUGabundo> ali1234: yep
[20:58] <BUGabundo> till a few days ago
[20:58] <ali1234> then do a git bisect
[20:58] <ali1234> on the kernel
[20:59] <BUGabundo> I'm already alternating between the archive repo and the audio team ppa
[20:59] <BUGabundo> ill try an older kernel on the next boot :\
[21:00] <ali1234> you need to go back to an older version
[21:00] <ali1234> like 2.6 :)
[21:01] <ali1234> then do a bisect to find exact commit
[21:01] <ali1234> then email the person who wrote that commit
[21:03] <BUGabundo> or use an hammer on them
[21:04] <ali1234> chances are you'll end up at a commit that makes you say derp
[21:04] <ali1234> then just email a patch
[21:06] <BUGabundo> what are these pre-installed live images?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/668628/
[21:32] <BUGabundo> let me guess, you have purge-ppa installed?
[21:33] <yofel> nope
[21:33] <yofel> I can't really track down what's wrong there either
[21:37] <Ian_Corne> that looks nasty BUGabundo
[21:39] <BUGabundo> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'
[21:39] <BUGabundo> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[21:39] <BUGabundo> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: this looks worse
[21:40] <BUGabundo> some install script has a typo
[21:40] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[21:40] <Ian_Corne> that's not thaaat bad
[21:40] <Ian_Corne> but it can be hard to pin down
[21:41] <BUGabundo> it happened when installing ppa-purge
[21:41] <BUGabundo> if anyone can reproduce
[21:42] <yofel> I can reproduce that since a few days ago
[21:43]  * yofel admits he forgot to file a bug >.>
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> the horror!
[21:44] <yofel> well, I'll file one as soon as apport failing to install doesn't cover that error ^^
[21:45] <BUGabundo> ahaahahaha
[21:54] <BUGabundo> darn
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I need to downgrade pulse
[21:54] <BUGabundo> to test the audio :(
[21:58] <urlin2u> BUGabundo, you can do it in synaptic and lock it if needed.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> Read oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso. Target 58.4% complete.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> thats' a lot of changes for just a week :S
[22:26] <Ian_Corne> :D
[22:26] <Ian_Corne> I've had LOOOTS of updates
[22:26] <Ian_Corne> :D
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I'll leave for the weekend to upgrade all my isos
[22:28] <BUGabundo> 20GBs is a lot
[22:28] <BUGabundo> my PC is already burned with the DD of an USB drive :\
[22:28] <BUGabundo> stupid USB IO
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> burdened*
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> :)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I can't even see what I'm typing
[22:30] <BUGabundo> be glad I gave one typo that time
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> haha :D
[22:30] <BUGabundo> the lag is so big I typed this all before screen refreshed
[22:30] <ali1234> i get that too
[22:31] <ali1234> really annoying when using dd
[22:31] <ali1234> although i haven't seen it happen since i upgraded my memory
[22:31] <ali1234> to 16GB
[22:34] <BUGabundo> AH
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I have 4gbS
[22:34] <BUGabundo> PLUS ONE 2gb SWAPFILE ON ssd AND ON 10gb SWAP FILE OVER ethernet
[22:34] <BUGabundo> oops sorry caps
[22:35] <BUGabundo> dding from usb (old laptop drive 5400) to NAS over ethernet is fun
[22:35] <BUGabundo> I can't pin point where the load is, but nothing works... everyting is lagged
[22:35] <BUGabundo> mem is free, SSD has no IO, usb has some, and netcard is at max
[22:35] <ali1234> i used to have 4GB ram when i when i had the problem
[22:35] <BUGabundo> but shouldn't slowdown the entire system
[22:36] <ali1234> i always ran out
[22:36] <ali1234> i think it is related to disk cache personally
[22:36] <BUGabundo> so you think it's the disk buffers?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> right
[22:36] <BUGabundo> ill have to set them lower
[22:36] <BUGabundo> let me do a $sync
[22:36] <BUGabundo> and flashu it out
[22:36] <BUGabundo> if I don't come back, you know what happened
[22:36] <ali1234> yeah if you dd a big file, it's going to go disk -> ram -> cache -> ram -> device -> ram -> cache -> ram real write
[22:37] <BUGabundo> its 300GBs
[22:37] <ali1234> and of course it's going to also churn out all virtual memory to achieve this if swappiness is set to max
[22:37] <ali1234> so try tweaking that maybe
[22:38] <ali1234> i also believe this is what makes firefox so slow on linux
[22:38] <ali1234> due to the way it insists on having it's own disk and ram caches
[22:39] <ali1234> with the way linux disk cache works there's a good chance that firefox's disk cache ends up in ram and it's ram cache ends up on disk in virtual memory
[22:39] <BUGabundo>  3840                 51584K                 51584K                     0K                  99%                 dd
[22:39] <ali1234> causing massive amounts of thrashing
[22:40] <ali1234> what does free -m say?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> wanna laugh?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> closing chromium make *everything* faster
[22:40] <ali1234> chromium uses a lot of ram... more than firefox
[22:40] <BUGabundo> $ free -m
[22:40] <BUGabundo>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:40] <BUGabundo> Mem:          3963       3867         95          0        774       1985
[22:40] <BUGabundo> -/+ buffers/cache:       1108       2855
[22:40] <BUGabundo> Swap:        13047         11      13036
[22:40] <BUGabundo> depends on the mem leaks LOL
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I saw it use 5GBs of RAM once
[22:41] <BUGabundo> on a quick refresh on atop I saw it using 12GB of virtual mem
[22:41] <ali1234> yeah 2.8GB of disk cache and only 95MB free
[22:41] <BUGabundo> no
[22:41] <BUGabundo> 1.1GB used for cache
[22:41] <BUGabundo> 2.8 free
[22:42] <ali1234> 2.8GB free when you don't count disk cache
[22:42] <ali1234> 95MB free if you do
[22:42] <ali1234> 1.1GB of memory used by "not disk cache"
[22:43] <BUGabundo> that would be FF
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 22786       827         0       46K      1.2G    282.9M         0K       76K    bugabund    bugabund      7%    firefox-bin
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 21419       227         0      968K      1.1G    118.3M         0K        0K    bugabund    bugabund      3%    pidgin
[22:43] <BUGabundo> pidgin is not helping either
[22:43] <ali1234> that's virtual memory though
[22:43] <BUGabundo> Ik
[22:43] <ali1234> they're only using 400MB between them really
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 300MBs for firefox with just one tab
[22:43] <BUGabundo> its not bad :P
[22:44] <ali1234> firefox allocates more memory depending how much you have
[22:44] <ali1234> also adblock+ doubles its ram usage
[22:44] <yofel> doubles?
[22:44] <ali1234> yes it literally doubles it
[22:44] <BUGabundo> with the amount of ad lists I have
[22:44] <BUGabundo> it must quadruple them
[22:45] <BUGabundo> let me compare chromium
[22:45] <BUGabundo> with and without
[22:45] <BUGabundo> 27922       397         0    59049K      1.3G    134.7M     -7004K       32K    bugabund    bugabund      3%    chromium-brows
[22:45] <BUGabundo> 28054      1754         1    59049K      1.3G    75404K     22652K     4628K    bugabund    bugabund      2%    chromium-brows
[22:45] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:46] <BUGabundo> addons on chromium DOUBLE the ram usage
[22:54] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 bugabundo users 159G 2011-08-17 23:54 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/320.img
[22:54] <BUGabundo> half way done
[22:58] <bjsnider> my chromium doesn't get anywhere near that bad
[22:59] <BUGabundo> do you have 200+ addons ? :P jkjk
[22:59] <BUGabundo> or maybe not.....
[22:59] <bjsnider> no, i can definitely say i don't have 200 addons
[23:00] <BUGabundo> bugabundo@BluBUG:~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions$ ls -1 | wc -l
[23:00] <BUGabundo> 35
[23:00] <BUGabundo> half of those aren't even enabled
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> $ ls -l | wc -l
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> 13
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> :)
[23:05] <Ian_Corne> err
[23:09] <Rods_Tiger> what was that complicated command I typed in a few days ago to make the screensaver stop working? It?s failed to perform so I need to re-issue it again.
[23:12] <escott> Rods_Tiger, gnome-screensaver-command --deactivate?
[23:23] <Daekdroom> Is compiz/Unity currently broken for anyone else?
[23:26] <jbicha> Daekdroom: I recommend you use Ubuntu 2D or maybe even Gnome Shell
[23:26] <jbicha> Unity is getting an updated build tomorrow so maybe it will improve some of the issues
[23:27] <Daekdroom> I temporally moved to Gnome Shell
[23:28] <jbicha> ooh, Gnome 3 has time travel now?! ;-)
[23:31] <Daekdroom> Oh. What a misuse of an adverb :P
[23:42] <BUGabundo> nite
[23:50] <urlin2u> anybody lost the left panel, and applets on the top left?
[23:50] <urlin2u> uhh top right
[23:53] <billybigrigger> can anyone here tell me how i choose what video driver i'm using?
[23:53] <billybigrigger> since there is no more xorg.conf
[23:54] <Daekdroom> billybigrigger, create a xorg.conf file.
[23:55] <Daekdroom> You can do it by shutting down X server and using X -configure in a terminal. It'll generate a .conf file you should edit and then move to the correct directory.