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brycehyeah, unless you have more upstart-fu than I...00:01
brycehrobert_ancell, or should I just forget about gdm and do s/gdm/lightdm/ in the upstart script?00:01
robert_ancellbryceh, I guess it would be nice if *any* dm failed to run failsafe X, and I think that's possible with upstart, though perhaps not the way it's currently configured00:03
robert_ancellmy upstart-fu is pretty bad00:03
brycehyeah mine too00:03
robert_ancellI think in terms of what we want to support for Ubuntu we just need to support LightDM, but in terms of supporting derivatives we want to aim for "any display manager"00:05
jcastrobryceh: RAOF: you guys getting any reports of X not working on oneiric?00:05
jcastrojust happened to me today00:05
* desrt raises his hand00:06
robert_ancelljcastro, unity is broken for me00:06
robert_ancelldesrt, heh, caught you lurking... I have a gdbus question00:06
desrtsure00:06
robert_ancelldesrt, there is a bug in lightdm, where it calls g_dbus_proxy_new_for_bus_sync for AccountsService, but this succeeds even if the AccountsService does not exist.  It should fallback to /etc/passwd in this case.  Am I interpreting g_dbus_proxy_new_for_bus_sync wrong?00:07
desrtyes.  i think so.00:08
desrtin theory you can have a proxy that attempts to do no communication with the remote00:09
robert_ancellwell, the docs say it's going to get all the properties of that object.  And how can it fail if it doesn't actually do any connecting?00:09
robert_ancelland why have sync/async methods if they have the same result?00:10
desrtthe object might exist at a later date00:10
desrt_sync() does all that needs to be done and returns00:10
desrt_async() does it all in the background and you get a call later00:10
robert_ancellso, what is the way to detect if a service exists?00:10
desrtg_dbus_proxy_get_name_owner() should give a dbus unique name string if it exists, or NULL if not00:11
brycehjcastro, heh all of our bug reports are about X not working ;-)  but no, none have been reported about  it failing to start up00:11
jcastrobryceh: heh00:12
desrtthe proxy is constructed in such a way that the service may come and go and you get to find out about that00:12
desrtso when you create it and the service does not exist, you get empty properties (for example)00:13
desrtwhen the service pops into existence the properties will be populated00:13
desrtand you can notify on g-name-owner property to find out about the transition00:13
robert_ancelldesrt, ok, cheers00:14
brycehjcastro, fwiw what jono's described is sounding like a failure well before X comes into the picture, so probably not an X bug00:14
jcastroyeah mine sounds similar00:15
brycehwell, almost certainly not an X bug.  Could still be a graphics problem though, but that'd be more likely a kernel drm driver bug.00:15
robert_ancellIs this known to people: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiozeitgeist.so: undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_type00:15
jcastrobryceh: I thought it was just nvidia breakage and was going to wait until tomorrow, but then jono was like "mine doesn't work either"00:15
cyphermoxkenvandine: sure, I'll do the evolution stuff soon (sorry, was travelling)00:35
cyphermoxsoon = some time later tonight, before going to bed. you know, standard conference operating hours ;)00:35
cyphermoxunless you need it earlier than that?00:36
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kenvandinecyphermox, i enable the vala bindings and upload eds00:53
kenvandinebut i didn't bump it00:53
cyphermoxbump it?00:57
kenvandines/enable/enabled00:57
cyphermoxoh ok00:57
kenvandinecyphermox, oh... i guess you missed seb's request to bump it ;)00:57
kenvandine3.1.5 is out00:57
cyphermoxno, no, I saw that00:57
kenvandineok00:57
cyphermoxI spoke to jelmer briefly about that seeing as I noticed 3.1.5 of e-mapi was out when I was going to review his upload00:58
kenvandinei just quickly enabled the vala bindings so i could unblock libfolks and empathy00:58
cyphermoxsure00:58
kenvandinewell i need to run, thx!00:58
kenvandinebbiab00:58
cyphermoxso I'll go ahead and update eds/evo to get the rest of the evo stuff to 3.1.500:58
cyphermoxthanks to you!00:58
RAOFrobert_ancell: Hm.  How do you get back to the login screen after you've suspended from it? :)01:12
RAOFrobert_ancell: Once I resume I end up at the gnome-screensaver unlock dialog, and I don't know lightdm's password :)01:14
robert_ancellRAOF, that's very odd because lightdm doesn't run gnome-screensaver01:15
robert_ancellgo to a terminal and see what launched it01:15
RAOFrobert_ancell: It's running as lightdm01:15
RAOFLaunched from /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver --no-daemon01:16
robert_ancellwhat else is running as lightdm?01:16
RAOFdbus-launch, dconf-service, gvfsd, notification-daemon, geoclue, unity-greeter, indicator-*, pulseaudio.01:17
RAOFI'd guess that indicator-session's to blame - I suspended from that.01:17
robert_ancellaha01:18
robert_ancellRAOF, can you file a bug on indicator-session that it shouldn't lock the screen when in greeter mode and subscribe mterry to that?01:19
robert_ancellit may already be known, but I'm not sure01:20
RAOFCertainly.01:20
robert_ancellI think there's some indicator patches that are taking some time to flow through01:20
jbichathere's already a bug, we just need to point it to indicator-session then01:29
jbichabug 81280401:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 812804 in unity-greeter "lightdm asks for password when resuming from suspend even when no one is logged in" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81280401:30
jbicharobert_ancell: done01:32
robert_ancelljbicha, thanks01:32
* RAOF will stop fiddling with that bug then :)01:32
jbichaI don't know if the description needs changed or if you want to add some extra comments to it01:33
jbichait didn't happen with the example greeter but the example greeter was simpler01:33
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robert_ancelljbicha, yeah, it will be unity-greeter specific02:17
robert_ancelldesrt, is this valid? g_variant_get (parameters, "(&sa(ss))", &type, &property_iter) where property_iter is 'GVariantIter property_iter'02:35
pittiGood morning04:11
pittikirkland: ah, thanks for the info04:12
pittichrisccoulson: ffox install path> thanks!04:12
pittidobey: mono/rbox/gtk3> well, we can decide all we want, as long as there's no gtk3 music store, we can't switch to rbox; and since we are past FF now, banshee will be the default04:12
pittidobey: having a music store for rb would be nice, of course, but it's not a release blocker04:13
cyphermoxmorning pitti04:17
pittihey cyphermox, how are you?04:17
cyphermoxgood, good04:18
jbichagood morning04:30
pittihey jbicha04:30
jbichapitti: I am looking at gnome-themes-standard and think we should split out the accessibility themes and include them04:30
jbichaby default like we did in previous releases, & my question is whether we should ship all 4 of them or not04:31
jbicha*3 High, HighInverse, and Low (although I don't think Low is very useful)04:32
pittignome-themes-standard is in universe right now, but I suppose it's easy enough to MIR04:33
pittinow that we have a 3.1 version04:33
pittibut the full 1 MB seems too big, so splitting out the a11y themes is appreciated04:33
jbichag-t-s also includes Adwaita which isn't strictly needed in Unity04:33
jbichabefore, we had a gnome-accessibility-themes-extra, do we want to do that or just put all 3 in the one package?04:35
RAOFYou know what would be nice?  If my wireless didn't drop and reconnect every 2-3 minutes.04:46
pittijbicha: I think we should just split out the a11y themes we need into one binary package, instead of one package per theme; sounds easier?04:57
pittiRAOF: that sounds awful; I had that when I got my new router04:58
pittiRAOF: I disabled 80211n and forced it back to g; 54 MBit is enough for my purposes04:58
pittithat fixed the hangs04:58
pittiactually, it wasn't reconnects, but connection hangs04:58
RAOFpitti: I think I'll leave it; I've got a cat5 cable plugged in now.04:59
jbichapitti: the old gnome-accessibility-themes is still on the desktop CD anyway05:16
pittijbicha: ah, that's the gtk2 one, so we'll need to replace that05:16
rickspencer3jasoncwarner_, RAOF, TheMuso, robert_ancell good morning05:34
robert_ancellrickspencer3, hola!05:34
GunnarHjpitti: Good morning! Just posted a comment on bug 827176.05:34
ubot2Launchpad bug 827176 in language-selector "fontconfig-voodoo crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82717605:34
pittihey rickspencer305:34
pittiGunnarHj: good morning05:34
TheMusorickspencer3: Greetings.05:34
jasoncwarner_ hey rickspencer305:35
rickspencer3pitti,  good morning05:35
pittiGunnarHj: ah, figuring this out is on my today's list indeed05:35
rickspencer3I thought it might be a tad early for you, I forgot you were an early riser05:35
pittiworking for 1:30 hours already :)05:36
GunnarHjpitti: Good. I haven't been able to reproduce the bug, because of that python bug...05:36
rickspencer3pitti, you stuyd05:36
rickspencer3stud*05:36
pittirickspencer3: I blame my wife for it :) she's getting up at 6, so am I05:37
rickspencer3:)05:37
rickspencer3pitti, I'm an early riser too, but people here stay up laaaate05:37
rickspencer3when I am in bed, I can hear other people having their dinners05:37
pittic'est la France05:38
rickspencer3indeed05:38
rickspencer3oui, c'est bon05:38
jbichapitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-themes-standard/3.1.5/+merge/7181506:08
pittijbicha: great work, thanks! queueing for sponsoring06:14
RAOFOh, hi compiz.  Why are you using 6.6GiB of virtual memory?06:30
pittiit doesn't here, as it crashes every hour06:31
pittinice trick to circumvent memleaks06:31
micahgRAOF: I had firefox using that much the other day06:31
RAOFIt appears to have so many open memory maps that gnome-system-monitor is unable to render them :)06:31
RAOFOh!  There we go.  Crash.06:32
RAOFHm.  6.8GiB of gem_objects?  That's not good.06:34
pittiwhere do you see the 6.8 GiB? in ps ux?06:34
RAOFCompiz was in gnome-system-monitor, the virtual size; it's since crashed, so it's now down to a more reasonable 700MiB.06:36
RAOFHm.  / 1.3GiB.06:36
RAOFThat's fast :)06:36
pittiRAOF: you call 700 MB "reasonable"?06:36
pitti(FWIW, it's 87 MB here)06:36
RAOFVirtual, or resident?06:37
pittig-s-monitor doesn't say -- it just says "memory"06:37
RAOFThat's resident - shared.06:37
pittiI suppose it's resident06:37
RAOFYou need to turn on the virtual memory column to get these numbers.06:37
RAOFBut the 6.8GiB (now 7.3GiB) gem_objects is from /sys/kernel/dri/0/i915_gem_objects06:38
pittiah, 704 virtual here06:38
RAOFCompiz would appear to be leaking textures.06:38
* pitti doesn't have /sys/kernel/dri06:38
RAOFBah.  /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/i915_gem_objects; you'll need root to read it.06:39
pitti3374 objects, 500711424 bytes06:40
pitti^ first line here06:41
pittii. e. 500 MB06:41
pittiwhen I do some operations like switching desktop etc., the number wiggles a bit, but it doesn't seem to leak here06:41
pittithis is intel arrandale06:41
RAOFI think something may have gone crazy here; it looks like gtk-window-decorator was what was eating all those goats.06:42
RAOFAfter killing it I'm down to 310636544 bytes worth of gem objects.06:43
RAOF(And I'm no longer under terrible memory pressure)06:44
RAOFTell you what, SSDs even make the user experience during swap thrashing better ;)06:45
pittiRAOF: heh, it's much closer to RAM than a rotary HDD, indeed :)06:49
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SweetsharkMoin!07:15
pittihey Sweetshark, guten Morgen07:20
mvomeh, my window maximize keysettings does no longer work after the latest update07:20
pittimvo: guten Morgen07:20
mvoguten morgen pi07:21
mvopitt07:21
mvoi07:21
pittimvo: Alt+F5/Alt+F10 still work here; but the case that stopped working is that Alt+F10 doesn't unmaximize any more07:21
pittiI find that pretty confusing, as I was regularly using it for that07:21
mvoI have a custom one (ctrl-0) and I guess gnome ate it07:21
pittidid someone ask you to run unity --reset by chance?07:22
mvono, my launcher icons are still 32px just like before07:22
pittiI don't think anything changed yesterday wrt this07:22
mvohm, focus follow mouse is done as well07:22
mvoits been a while since I restarted the session07:23
mvomay well be that this change is a couple of days old07:23
* pitti still uses FFM; I'd get crazy without it07:23
mvofocus follow mouse is done as well07:23
mvognoe07:23
pittibut I had to turn it back on after unity --reset a few weeks ago07:23
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pitti(in ccsm)07:23
mvoyeah, I used to set it in metacity07:23
* mvo fires up ccsm07:24
tjaaltonis the new alt-tab behaviour done on purpose?07:24
pittimvo: tpying is hrad, isn't it?07:24
mvoit is, isn't it ;)07:24
pittitjaalton: eew, that's totally broken..07:24
tjaaltontell me about it..07:25
mvobut once I had my first cup of tea its usually much better07:25
tjaaltonthere's no way to pick up a specific window anymore07:25
pittiit killed my terminals!07:25
mvoit just hides them, no?07:25
tjaaltonit'll pop up every window of the app, even the ones that were minimized07:25
pittioh, not killed, but apparently minimized them07:26
pittibut it seems to overlay terminals with other apps, so there's no way to pick the ones beneath it07:26
RAOFtjaalton: You're looking at bug #825036 and bug #82502907:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 825036 in unity "Switching behaviour to a group is awkward" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82503607:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 825029 in unity "When alt-tabbing to an application with multiple windows the focused window is not raised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82502907:37
RAOFtjaalton: But there is a way to pick a specific window - hit the down arrow when the group is focused in alt-tab.07:38
RAOFWe should totally sick DBO on those ^^^07:38
tjaaltonhuh, now it does both the old and new stuff at the same time07:39
tjaaltonhere, that is07:39
tjaaltonI get both popups07:40
RAOFYeah, you should disable the staticswitcher plugin.07:40
RAOFLest compiz SIGSEGV at you.07:40
* RAOF heads due pilates.07:41
tjaaltoni'd rather turn off the unity switcher, but apparently there's no way to do that :)07:44
tjaaltonoh, there is07:45
pedro_good morning07:49
Sweetsharkpitti: could you sync translate-toolkit-1.9.0-1 from debian to oneiric? after some careful checking it seems all remaining ubuntu customizations are obsolete.07:49
pittiSweetshark: done07:52
seb128hey desktopers07:53
pittibonjour seb12807:53
mvotjaalton: what knob is it?07:53
seb128hey pitti, how are you?07:53
mvohey seb12807:53
seb128hey mvo07:53
seb128wie gehts? ;-)07:53
pittiseb128: feeling quite well again, just a bit of a cold left, thanks!07:53
pittihappily hacking along again07:53
seb128great07:53
rodrigo_morning07:55
seb128hey rodrigo_07:56
seb128how are you?07:56
Sweetsharkpitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/translate-toolkit/+bug/82785207:59
ubot2Ubuntu bug 827852 in translate-toolkit "lp:/ubuntu/oneiric/translate-toolkit is all messed up" [Undecided,New]07:59
pittiSweetshark: actually the sync should take care of this automatically08:00
pittiSweetshark: if it doesn't, can you please poke james_w?08:00
tjaaltonmvo: from ccsm open the unity plugin capplet, then change the "key to start the switcher" to something else08:01
Sweetsharkpitti: Ill try to remember to have a look after the sync08:01
mvothanks tjaalton08:01
seb128rodrigo_, what do you work on today?08:03
seb128rodrigo_, do you need help or reviews on anything today?08:03
rodrigo_seb128, well, if you could have a look at the gnome-color-manager branch, it doesn't build for me08:03
seb128RAOF, thanks for the glib fix, though it's weird that zg stops the session08:04
seb128rodrigo_, ok08:04
rodrigo_seb128, I'll finish for now folks 0.6 and the new gnome-contacts release08:04
seb128rodrigo_, hum, ken started on that update as well I think, did you work on it yet?08:04
seb128rodrigo_, he built eds with vapi for it08:04
rodrigo_seb128, no08:04
rodrigo_ok, I'll have a look08:05
seb128or wait for him to be online08:05
seb128rodrigo_, pitti, chrisccoulson, btw if some of you want to do some etherpad sponsoring that would be welcome ;-)08:06
rodrigo_seb128, ok08:07
pittiseb128: I have https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-themes-standard/3.1.5/+merge/71815 queued for me today08:07
seb128pitti, danke08:07
rodrigo_I'll have a look at the gnome-games proposal08:07
seb128I will look at gjs and gnome-shell08:08
seb128robert_ancell, hey08:18
robert_ancellseb128, hello08:18
seb128robert_ancell, how are you?08:18
robert_ancellgood08:18
seb128robert_ancell, got my email?08:18
seb128robert_ancell, could you look at bug #823775 this week?08:18
ubot2Launchpad bug 823775 in lightdm "Cannot login: could not update ICEauthority file .ICEauthority" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82377508:18
seb128ignore the title, it got hijacked08:19
robert_ancellseb128, yes, will look tomorrow.  Was Michael also looking at it you said?08:19
seb128robert_ancell, kirkland and pitti added some comments as well08:19
pittihey robert_ancell, how are you? enjoyed the holidays in berlin?08:19
robert_ancellpitti, yeah, I loved Berlin.  I wish I'd spent some more time there outside of the conference08:20
seb128robert_ancell, he dumped his comments on the bug but I don't think he looked further, he figured that it was an ecryptfs issue and that login to a vt was the workaround, not the .Xauthority thing08:20
robert_ancellok08:20
robert_ancellI need to find a way to regression test ecryptfs behaviour08:20
seb128robert_ancell, I will check with him today and keep you updated so you don't duplicate work08:20
brycehhi seb128, that glib regression was Fun08:21
seb128bryceh, hey, thanks for sending the email on the list, though with some luck not a lot of people have that old deprecated binary leftover08:22
pittisorry that we didn't catch it in the testing, seems that both seb128 and I have natty (or newer) installs08:22
seb128pitti, no, I've older ones08:22
seb128but I tend to clean installed craps once a cycle08:22
pittilibzeitgeist-gio only exits in maverick08:22
seb128so I probably cleaned that one over time08:23
brycehseb128, no prob, yeah hope we caught it quickly enough.08:23
seb128bryceh, well as pitti said it's only an issue for people who tried unity before natty08:23
seb128and didn't clean the deprecated binaries08:24
seb128we don't do a good job at cleaning deprecated things on upgrade though it seems08:24
seb128robert_ancell, did you get my email btw?08:24
seb128robert_ancell, I listed some other bugs I found worth looking at there in case of that's of any use to you ;-)08:25
cdbsThe background in my Lightdm unity-greeter is black. What does this point toward, robert_ancell ?08:25
brycehseb128, ah yes that should limit the scope08:25
brycehthe system I repro'd on has been upgraded since as long as I can remember08:26
robert_ancellseb128, yes, haven't replied to it though...08:26
seb128robert_ancell, no need to reply08:26
robert_ancellcdbs, which greeter?08:26
cdbsrobert_ancell: unity-greeter08:26
seb128robert_ancell, well no hurry to reply, there are some questions but it was mostly to point the interesting bugs08:27
cdbsrobert_ancell: version 0.0.2-0ubuntu208:27
robert_ancellseb128, in short, I agree with the list, and it's useful to summarise it that way.08:28
robert_ancellcdbs, so everything else works but just the background is black?08:28
cdbsrobert_ancell: yup08:28
cdbsrobert_ancell: everything works as expected08:28
cdbsrobert_ancell: And in --test-mode08:28
cdbsrobert_ancell: The background is black there as well, except for the backgrounds of alice and bob08:28
seb128robert_ancell, great, thanks08:29
robert_ancellcdbs, the background is set in /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf, I'm guessing you don't have it installed08:29
cdbshmm08:29
* cdbs checks08:29
robert_ancellit's hardcoded to the default ubuntu one, but perhaps it needs fixing08:29
cdbsrobert_ancell: yup, it is unset08:29
cdbsrobert_ancell: But this isn't the right way that file was meant for, right? Unity-greeter should install a default config file08:29
* cdbs didn't play around with that since a fresh install08:30
robert_ancelloh, did you change that or did something else do that?  The file should be installed with defaults and not need to be edited08:30
cdbsrobert_ancell: Which package installs that file?08:30
robert_ancellcdbs, it should be part of unity-greeter08:30
* cdbs runs apt-get install --reinstall unity-greeter08:31
cdbsrobert_ancell: still a black background08:31
cdbsand no file08:31
robert_ancellcdbs, because it's in /etc/ dpkg might try and not modify the file08:31
robert_ancellseb128, pitti, other packaging experts: ^^ does this make sense?08:31
robert_ancellcdbs, what is in /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf?08:32
seb128robert_ancell, cdbs: right, etc conffiles are special08:32
pittirobert_ancell: dpkg will only update this file if it wasn't modified08:32
seb128they will preserve your changes, including deletion08:32
cdbsrobert_ancell: There's no such file08:32
seb128if you deleted it, it will not come back08:32
pittiwell, if it was modified, and teh package ships a new one, it'll ask you which one to take08:33
robert_ancellseb128, pitti, will a --purge fix that?08:33
pittiand what seb128 said08:33
seb128you need to dpkg --conffile-missing08:33
cdbsthanks08:33
pittithat's dpkg -i --force-confmiss08:33
pittiyes, if the admin removes a file, dpkg respects that and doesn't bring it back08:33
seb128right, I was looking for the real name of the option, I don't use it often enough to memorize it :p08:33
robert_ancellseb128, oh, the next lightdm has nested x server support.  I think you were interesting in that for testing08:34
seb128robert_ancell, \o/08:34
robert_ancelldm-tool --add-nested-seat :)08:35
seb128robert_ancell, can I get a "lightdm rocks" sticker to put on my laptop? ;-)08:36
robert_ancellseb128, If you can find someone with artistic talent :)  Get them to make a logo for it while you're at it...08:36
seb128let's wait for Didier to be back, maybe his gf can do it, he asked her if she should do an icon for dconf-editor already I think ;-)08:37
seb128robert_ancell, speaking of dconf-editor I think people mentioned it doesn't handle override files correctly08:38
seb128like ignore those :p08:38
rodrigo_hmm, weird, g-games fails building with GTK_CLUTTER_TEXTURE undefined symbol, but both the header and the lib are being used when building08:38
* robert_ancell wonders why he ever let desrt twist his arm into making dconf-editor08:39
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rodrigo_robert_ancell, :)08:40
pittiSweetshark:08:44
pitti o gaupol: python-aeidon08:44
pitti    [Reverse-Recommends: translate-toolkit]08:44
pittiSweetshark: ^ FYI, new from components-mismatches08:44
pittiso if that's required, it needs a MIR, otherwise a demotion to suggests08:44
seb128pitti, do you know why there is a 6mb difference between the x86 and amd64 iso?08:48
pittiseb128: I think it's just that amd64 packages generally tend to be a tad bigger08:49
seb128pitti, it's the other way around there08:49
pittii. e. it's not that one extra package on the amd64 CD08:49
seb128x86 is 6mb over amd6408:49
pittiseb128: right, x86 has an extra langpack08:49
seb128ah ok08:50
seb128so we are basically on target now?08:50
Sweetsharkpitti: hmm. debian had a dep from translate-toolkit on gaupol, which we removed. now debian depends on python-aeidon, so I assumed our change was not needed anymore. I didnt check for python-aeidon being in main though :(08:50
pittialso, amd64 hasn't built for about three days08:50
seb128pitti, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110817/08:50
seb128pitti, it has all images?08:50
pittiseb128: yes, seems so; if we drop the Chinese langpack, we are on target, and if we rebuild fresh -base langpacks, even more so08:51
pittiseb128: yes, it just copies the previous one for the failed ones08:51
seb128oh ok08:51
pittior someone retried it, that could also be08:51
pittiI just got a failed amd64 log08:51
seb128well the manifest is from yesterday08:51
pittiyesterday's failed due to mono08:51
pittiseb128: ah, so there was a second build attempt yesterday which worked, and today's failed again08:52
pittibut at least that's reasonably current then08:52
seb128ok08:52
jbichaI think mono's broken again, just in a different way09:00
ajmitchbroken how?09:00
jbichamy mono-runtime is stuck at 2.10.3-1, trying to upgrade it removes all of mono or something09:02
jbichaoh never mind, I guess I just didn't wait long enough for everything to come through09:04
ajmitchhm, failed to build on i38609:05
jbichano, that still didn't work, I'm on amd6409:05
ajmitchyeah, but arch:all would be built on i38609:05
ajmitchwhatever's breaking doesn't look healthy in that build log for mono09:08
seb128bryceh, btw, feel free to upload your xchat-gnome work, I see you have a merge request for it, did you want some review? is there anything which was blocking you to upload?09:16
huatsmorning09:17
seb128lut huats09:17
oierHi, I am was wondering if somebody could help me by reviewing indicator bug over at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=9151 I have one approval so there is just one left09:28
oierit's a fairly simple python indicator for displaying and regularly updating a Launchpad bug list (for example bitesize bugs). It notifies you when there are new bugs that match the bug search pattern09:29
* pitti hugs mvo for the s-c port to gir-gmenu09:36
mvo:)09:37
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/python-gmenu09:37
pittiso that just leaves alacarte for main09:37
pittiseb128: ^ is this still being supported upstream, or should we just kill it?09:38
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/python-gmenu09:38
pittisorry09:38
pitti-- oneiric/main i386 deps on alacarte:09:38
pittignome-panel09:38
pitti(and some rdepends from metapackages which are trivial to fix)09:39
seb128pitti, it's still useful for the fallback session but not really actively maintained though09:39
seb128you can maybe keep it a bit to see if somebody is interested to fix it?09:39
pittijust asking because python-gmenu is NBS now09:39
pittiok, sure09:39
seb128well you can delete it and we can put it back later on as well09:40
pittiseb128: FTR, I have a pygobject 2.90.1 package ready, and a split build for pygobject-2; uploading both to experimental now09:40
seb128it just seems easier to keep it broken for a bit, see if somebody comes with a fix or delete it if it doesn't happen09:40
seb128pitti, \o/09:40
pittiseb128: not that urgent, I was just curious whether we should package a new alacarte or so09:40
pittiwith the fixes from this morning it seems most stuff is happy, just software-center breaks with 2.90.109:41
seb128pitti, ok, it's a bit unmaintained so there nothing to package yet09:41
pittiapparently at some point it uses both "gobject" and "gi.repository"09:41
pittiI'm looking at that now09:41
seb128ok09:41
seb128pitti, if you get an empty todolist after that do you think you would have time today or later this week to look at the retracers?09:42
seb128we sort of could use them running09:42
seb128especially now that the new unity etc landed09:42
pittiyeah, I know09:42
pittiI hope that there's yet another easy workaround than "set up a root machine in the DC"09:43
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seb128rodrigo__, how did you fix the gnome-games build issue? just curious10:17
rodrigo__seb128, updated some related packages and seems that fixed it, let's see if it works on the server10:22
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seb128ok10:23
pittimvo: hm, softwarecenter/utils.py stilll uses "import gmenu"10:30
pittimvo: but I'm looking into trunk anyway to fix some static/GI bindings mix (which causes crashes with pygobject 2.90)10:30
chrisccoulsonsigh @ bug 82784810:35
ubot2Launchpad bug 827848 in firefox "firefox 6 , ubuntu 11.04 64 bit ATI proprietary driver" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82784810:35
chrisccoulsoni wish people would stop tweaking options in about:config, then reporting a bug when everything breaks10:35
chrisccoulsonespecially a bug which might make us think there is a regression in a stable update10:35
pittichrisccoulson: can't we detect that in the apport hook?10:35
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, i'm going to add this to the apport hook10:36
chrisccoulsonpitti - we had someone report an identical issue straight after deploying firefox 5, and it turned out to be the same issue10:38
chrisccoulsoni wonder where they're getting the idea to tweak this preference from?10:38
chrisccoulsonwoohoo - firefox 9! - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ ;)10:47
chrisccoulsonand 8 for those less brave https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora10:48
seb128chrisccoulson, you got to much free time10:50
seb128chrisccoulson, you should better take on some GNOME updates ;-)10:50
chrisccoulsonseb128, i wish ;)10:50
chrisccoulsonseb128, there are still gnome updates left to take?10:51
seb128chrisccoulson, check the etherpad10:51
seb128there are half a dozen10:51
chrisccoulsonseb128, ok, i'll take a look10:51
chrisccoulsoni guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/6.0 for the 7.0 release can wait a day or so ;)10:52
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks!10:52
pedro_guys i've created a report for 'new' bugs filed since 24 hours: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/new-bugs-since-24hours.html10:52
pedro_and another one for 7 days10:53
pedro_http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/new-bugs-since-7days.html10:53
pedro_those are updated every 6 minutes so should be accurate10:53
pedro_if you'd like to have something like that for i don't know 15 days, 1 month etc just let me know10:54
pedro_i'll send an email to the list with that10:55
pittimvo: I guess you are going to crossburn me for https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/software-center/gi-fixes/+merge/71854 ..11:50
pittimvo: but as there's a high chance that pygobject 3.0 will be required for gnome 3.2, I rather want to be prepared and fix our stuff before this lands (cf. my uploads from this morning)11:52
mvopitti: geh, pyflakes will cry11:53
mvopitti: thanks for doing this work though11:53
pittimvo: just did a followup comment to show the breakage of the gtk2 version11:53
pittimvo: I tested this with oneiric pygobject, gtk 2/3 versions, and the pygobject 2.90 bits from jhbuild/debian experimental11:54
pittimvo: why will pyflakes cry, but not you?11:55
mvopitti: I would like to factor the gio stuff into its own isolated module to avoid the if have_gi: but otherwise its fine of course11:56
pittimvo: ah, sure11:56
mvopitti: pyflakes will not like the double imports, if foo: import gobject as GObject else: import GObject. but thats fine, I can add a workaround for this easily11:56
pittiah, it doesn't see conditional imports?11:57
mvoyeah, it does not understand them11:57
pittiI did the "import gobject as GObject" trick to avoid having these "if have_gi" stuff everywhere11:57
mvoso it thinks that its a redefinition of a unused var11:57
mvoyeah, that is nice11:57
mvokeeps the diff smaller11:57
pittiI just need it where the static gio API differs from the C API11:57
* mvo nods11:57
pittimvo: btw, if you want to try this, you need the aptdaemon version I'm currently uploading (r670)11:58
pittiand with that, high high high time for lunch *starve*11:59
mvook, enjoy11:59
* mvo notes that the whole pygi stuff is all a bit of a bumpy ride12:01
rodrigo_lunch time, bbl12:22
pittimvo: heh, indeed :/ but it only really gets hairy when you mix the two12:31
pittimvo: oh, merged already? thanks!12:37
pittimvo: "Gio #pyflakes" -> that looks weird12:37
pittithat's still causing a call to the module, doesn't it?12:37
mvopitti: its just there to make pyflakes happy by pretending to access it once12:59
mvopitti: yeah, merged, I feel like RSN we switch to gtk3 exclusively13:00
seb128mvo, next cycle?13:05
seb128desrt, there?13:06
desrtnope13:07
seb128great13:07
* desrt looks around13:07
desrtwhat can i do for you?13:07
seb128desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/668243/ do you see anything wrong there?13:08
dobeypitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/817133/comments/2113:08
ubot2Ubuntu bug 817133 in ubuntu "[FFe] [needspackaging] ubuntuone-installer needs packaged" [High,Incomplete]13:08
seb128desrt, the value seems wrong when there is no user value for this key13:09
desrtseb128: no set mapping? :)13:09
seb128desrt, there is a set mapping as well13:09
seb128desrt, it's the gnome-control-center info panel13:09
seb128the "use fallback" toggle13:09
desrtnod.13:09
pittidobey: ah, thanks for the clarification13:09
seb128it gets the wrong value if I "reset to default in dconf-editor"13:09
seb128it gets the right value if I edit and press enter13:10
seb128it get it wrong if I unset13:10
seb128i.e it gets "gnome" system default as not matching13:10
seb128but user value matches13:10
seb128it's a bit weird13:10
dobeypitti: sure. i just want to get it done already, since it was supposed to have been done/in last thursday :-/13:10
desrtis this in the distro or ppas?13:10
desrtno jhbuild-type voodoo going on?13:10
seb128desrt, it's upstream13:10
desrtokay13:10
seb128well distro13:10
seb128upstream code from my system13:11
desrtjust wanted to eliminate a possible class of problems13:11
seb128desrt, open your gnome-control-center13:11
seb128desrt, system info13:11
seb128graphics13:11
desrt"System Settings"(tm) you mean :)13:11
seb128is the "use fallback" toggle on for you?13:11
desrtit's off.13:11
seb128hum ok13:11
seb128I'm wondering why it's on there :-(13:11
* desrt tries to reread what you said13:12
seb128the toggle is on the left with a "1" there under gnome-shell13:12
desrtis it possible that a vendor override is involved here?13:12
seb128until I change org.gnome.desktop.session to "gnome"13:12
desrtuh13:13
seb128desrt, indeed we have one13:13
desrtsomething is broken here13:13
seb12810_gnome-session-common.gschema.override:session-name="ubuntu"13:13
desrtokay13:13
seb128dconf-editor doesn't show overrides, grrr13:13
desrti bet the problem is that ... ya :)13:13
desrtthe value you think you have is not the one that you do have :)13:13
seb128it still doesn't explain why my guest session running gnome-shell doesn't get that key set to "gnome"13:13
desrtthe only way it would be is if someone wrote something to dconf explicity13:14
desrt*explicitly13:14
seb128desrt, thanks13:14
seb128I got confused by dconf-editor not handling overrides13:15
desrtthere's someone who you might know that you can bother about that =)13:15
chrisccoulsongrr, hurry up PPA's. i want new crack now!13:15
seb128desrt, yeah, I pinged him early today about a similar issue ;-)13:16
desrtseb128: next time you see him, please ask him to read the GVariant documentation as well13:16
seb128desrt, what did he do wrongly?13:17
desrtnothing yet =)13:17
desrtjust pinged on IRC about get("a(...)", &iter) with 'GVariantIter iter;'13:17
chrisccoulsong'ah, not another one (bug 827952)13:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 827952 in firefox "problems after update to firefox6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82795213:27
seb128rodrigo_, pitti: can we play with OnShowIn GNOME or Unity to display the right printing ui?13:28
chrisccoulsonrepeat after me - "i must not change the value of layers.acceleration.force-enabled" :)13:28
pittiseb128: that would be better indeed13:28
seb128chrisccoulson, but but, somebody on the internet suggested to change it!13:28
chrisccoulsonheh13:28
seb128chrisccoulson, if somebody on the internet suggested it, it must be a good thing to try!13:29
seb128;-)13:29
chrisccoulsonseb128, of course nothing on the internet is ever wrong :)13:29
chrisccoulsonjcastro, do you have any ideas for how we could engage more users and get them testing https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next (ie, the firefox beta channel)?13:31
jibelpitti, could you have a look at bug 828010 when you get a minute ?13:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 828010 in apport "apport-gtk crashed with TypeError in function(): markup_escape_text() takes exactly 2 argument(s) (1 given)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82801013:33
pittijibel: queueing (currently debugging bug 827176 )13:33
ubot2Launchpad bug 827176 in language-selector "fontconfig-voodoo crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82717613:33
jibelpitti, great, thanks13:34
* jibel wonders if there is a secret league to keep him from filing new bugs13:34
pittijibel: a simple "apport-bug packagename" doesn't crash, though :)13:35
jibelpitti, Yeah, and "while true; do apport-bug compiz; sleep 300; done" would spare me some keystrokes ;-)13:37
pittilol13:38
pittiok, language-selector fixed, on to apport13:45
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pittijibel: apport fix uploaded13:52
jibelpitti, thanks14:00
seb128slomo, hey14:01
rodrigo_seb128, yes, that's my plan, using OnlyShowIn=Unity for s-c-p and GNOME for the other14:03
pittiok, need to run; see you tomorrow!14:03
rodrigo_bye pitti14:16
kenvandinerodrigo_, how's gnome-contacts 0.1.2?14:20
rodrigo_hey kenvandine, was waiting for you14:21
rodrigo_seb told me you were working on folks 0.6, right?14:21
kenvandineyes14:21
kenvandineoh14:21
kenvandineyou need that?14:21
rodrigo_it's needed for g-c 0.1.214:21
rodrigo_yeah14:21
kenvandineok14:21
kenvandineworking on it now14:21
kenvandinei had to build eds with vala bindings for it14:21
rodrigo_ok, let me know if you need my help on something14:21
rodrigo_yeah14:21
kenvandinedid that last night14:21
kenvandineshould have folks done soon14:21
rodrigo_cool14:22
rodrigo_the g-c branch is ready, just needs a build with hopefully no errors with folks 0.6.014:22
kenvandinegreat... soname bump in folks14:22
cyphermoxgood morning!14:24
kenvandinegood morning cyphermox14:24
bassouhm14:24
cyphermoxkenvandine: it was late, starting eds now14:24
kenvandinecool14:24
bassoanyone have idea how to get nouveau driver to work?14:24
kenvandineit isn't blocking me at all14:24
kenvandinebasso, sorry, not me14:25
basso:(14:25
seb128chrisccoulson, did you restart the dconf service from the postinst or something with the update btw?14:44
chrisccoulsonseb128, i didn't add anything to restart it. did you want me to?14:46
seb128chrisccoulson, desrt mentioned before that it should be restarted due to the maybe types addition14:47
seb128chrisccoulson, if some client tries to write some of those and the old service is still running it will break14:48
chrisccoulsonis there a way to restart it safely?14:48
slomoseb128: hi14:49
seb128good question, that was discussed with desrt and vuntz, we suggested adding a "reload on SIGHUP"14:49
seb128dunno what happened to that14:49
seb128slomo, hey, unping in fact, I was having a gconf sink error and I was wondering if some part of gstreamer were depending on the gconf element still but it comes from gnome-media itself14:50
seb128chrisccoulson, but at the same time nothing use maybe types and it's only until session restart, maybe let's wait for the next update if that does the reload on sighup thing14:51
davmor2kenvandine: gwibber doesn't seem to be updating tiles again :(14:59
kenvandinedavmor2, interesting... in any stream?15:00
davmor2kenvandine: indeed.  It updates completely if I start it fresh and then just stops15:00
kenvandineand you are still running 3.1.4.2?15:01
kenvandinenot trunk or anything?15:01
davmor2kenvandine: ii  gwibber  3.1.4.2-0ubuntu1 Open source social networking client for GNOME15:01
kenvandineok15:02
kenvandineLC_COLLATE="C" gwibber 2>/dev/null15:02
kenvandinerun that15:02
kenvandinesee if it updates15:02
davmor2kenvandine: I'm deliberately not using ppa version for this kinda reason :015:02
kenvandinedavmor2, :)15:02
kenvandinedavmor2, ping me in a bit and let me know either way15:03
davmor2kenvandine: will do15:03
kenvandinedavmor2, thx!15:04
mterryIs anyone having X problems (intel driver)15:04
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seb128mterry, what sort of problems? but not that I noticed15:06
kenvandinei haven't noticed any15:07
mterryseb128, when running 'startx', I get ddxSigGiveUp in my log, with no preceding error.15:07
seb128urg15:08
seb128mterry, some people had a no working session yesterday due to the glib update and still having zeitgeist-gio installed but out of that didn't read any issue today15:09
seb128mterry, still mentioning the zg thing in case it's of any use but that's likely a different issue if you get a ddxSigGiveUp15:10
mterryseb128, I don't have zg-gio installed15:10
seb128ok15:10
seb128dunno then15:10
seb128there was no recent xorg updates, it's weird15:10
mterryYeah, I didn't notice any either15:10
seifseb128, what seems to be the issue15:10
seb128seif, nothing due to zg don't worry15:11
seb128seif, basically zg-gio dated from 10.10 and used some glib,gio patch distro specific15:12
seb128seif, we dropped the glib patch since the current stack use the equivalent feature which was added to upstream gio later on15:12
Detoxok folks, here is a puzzler,  at some point rsync corrupted and i cannot do any updates.  I have tried uninstalling reinstalling but no go15:13
Detoxwhat can i do?15:13
seb128seif, but that created some issues for users who still had the old binary15:13
Detoxi am not at the pc am at work so i cannot show anything15:13
seb128Detox, hi, this channel is not a support on, try #ubuntu for questions15:13
Detoxahhh ok15:13
mterryseb128, actually, I think the root cause is "intel(0): failed to get resources: Bad file descriptor" and some similar errors15:14
* mterry googles15:14
kenvandinerodrigo_, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/folks/ubuntu/15:15
kenvandineyou can build it locally to unblock you15:16
davmor2kenvandine: I don't see any movement on gwibber can you make a post and I'll give it 10 minutes and let you know if it shows up15:16
kenvandinerodrigo_, i guess you'll need to add a libfolks-eds-dev build dep to gnome-contacts15:16
kenvandinetons of change in libfolks15:17
kenvandinedavmor2, sure15:20
kenvandinedavmor2, done15:21
rodrigo_kenvandine, thanks!15:21
mterryRAOF, do you know any reason intel X drivers would stop working for me on oneiric?  I get "drmOpenByBusid: Interface 1.4 failed, trying 1.1" then various intel(0) errors after that15:22
rodrigo_kenvandine, I guess I need the e-d-s build you mentioned before, right?15:25
kenvandineit built last night15:26
kenvandineso as long as you update15:26
kenvandineyou'll be good15:26
rodrigo_ah, ok15:26
kenvandinerodrigo_, do you know how much of gnome-contacts should be working?15:26
kenvandinei get an error when trying to add a contact15:26
kenvandineand trying to link them does nothing15:27
jibelTheMuso, for info bug 82810515:27
ubot2Launchpad bug 828105 in at-spi2-core "at-spi2-core not installed during upgrade from Natty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82810515:27
kenvandineUnable to create new contacts: Persona store (key-file, relationships.ini) requires the following details:15:27
kenvandine    im-addresses (provided: '(nil)')15:27
kenvandinerodrigo_, that is the error i get adding15:27
kenvandinethat is with 0.1.215:27
rodrigo_kenvandine, the 0.1.1 version does not work much for me15:28
rodrigo_oh, 0.1.2?15:28
kenvandine0.1.2 seems about the same15:28
kenvandinebut this likes libfolks related15:28
rodrigo_I did a quick test with the git version and it seemed to work a bit better15:28
kenvandinerodrigo_, interesting, looking at configure.ac it doesn't even look for folks-eds15:29
davmor2kenvandine: nothing, let me run the command again and see if updates then15:29
kenvandineyou would think it would need that :)15:30
rodrigo_kenvandine, gnome-contacts? it just uses the folks API, doesn't care about the backends15:30
kenvandinedavmor2, wait15:30
kenvandineoh right15:30
* davmor2 waits15:30
* kenvandine had it the other way around :)15:30
rodrigo_kenvandine, but yes, seems to be a folks-eds -related problem15:30
kenvandinedavmor2, tail -f ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log15:30
kenvandinethen hit F5 with the client focused15:31
kenvandinerodrigo_, that was my fear... not sure how to test the backend15:31
* kenvandine looks for tests15:31
davmor2kenvandine: nothing15:31
rodrigo_kenvandine, I'll have a look also15:32
kenvandineanything that looks like it is attempting a refresh?15:32
* kenvandine is wondering if it is the client or the service15:32
kenvandinedavmor2, ^^15:32
kenvandinerodrigo_, cool15:32
davmor2kenvandine: let me run from terminal to start with and see if anything happens15:33
kenvandinerun the service15:33
kenvandinekillall -9 gwibber-service; gwibber-service -do15:33
kenvandineto get good debug logs15:33
kenvandinei am getting intermittent TLS errors15:34
kenvandinegnutls_handshake() failed: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.15:34
kenvandinefrom twitter15:34
davmor2I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/668361/15:35
davmor2kenvandine: ^15:35
kenvandineugh15:36
kenvandinewhat was above that?15:36
davmor2kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/668363/ that's the full cli15:37
kenvandinedavmor2, refresh again15:37
* kenvandine wonders if something is hung15:38
kenvandineor if it is still responsive15:38
mterryseb128, was the zg-gio error similar to "undefined symbol: g_desktop_app_info_launch_handler_get_type"?15:40
davmor2refresh == lots of dev nulls15:40
seb128mterry, yes15:41
mterryseb128, wncksyncdaemon has the same issue (it installs a gio module that uses that symbol)15:41
seb128oh, could be15:41
seb128we basically dropped the distro specific abi dx made us add15:41
seb128since we use the upstream feature now15:41
mterryThat was my X issue15:42
davmor2kenvandine: that's interesting gwibber isn't open15:42
seb128mterry, ok, so I was not far by mentioning it ;-)15:42
kenvandinedavmor2, what are the errors?15:42
kenvandinerodrigo_, 3 of the libfolks tests fail15:42
kenvandinelibfolks-eds that is15:43
rodrigo_ok15:44
davmor2kenvandine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/668374/15:45
kenvandineoh15:45
kenvandinethat is all the noise from the gwibber client15:46
kenvandineharmless, and i need to clean it up'15:46
kenvandinewhat about another refresh though... any more service out from that?15:46
davmor2kenvandine: everything just updated now, I see you post15:49
* kenvandine posts something else15:49
kenvandinedavmor2, ok... tell it to refresh again15:51
kenvandineand look at that output15:51
* kenvandine really needs to upload a new gwibber with all the resizing fixes :)15:51
kenvandinethese tiles getting out of whack drive me nuts!15:52
davmor2kenvandine: nope nothing again :(  no addition output in cli either15:53
kenvandineok15:54
kenvandineso this time the problem isn't in the client filtering :)15:55
kenvandinethe service is getting hung15:56
kenvandinedavmor2, can you try one more thing?15:56
kenvandinein another terminal15:56
kenvandinerun this15:56
kenvandinedbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.Gwibber.Service /com/gwibber/Service com.Gwibber.Service.Refresh15:56
kenvandineand see if you see output start spewing from the service15:56
kenvandinedavmor2, you should see like a Starting refresh15:57
kenvandineetc15:57
davmor2kenvandine: I got a bunch more of those (gwibber:6928): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_reparent: assertion `priv->parent != NULL' failed but no  updates16:01
kenvandinethat is all from the client16:01
kenvandinebut nothing that say they are from the service?16:01
kenvandinedavmor2, just to make it more obvious16:01
kenvandineclose the client16:02
kenvandineand run that dbus-send command again16:02
davmor2client closed16:02
kenvandineyou shouldn't see any of those Gtk-CRITICALS anymore16:02
davmor2kenvandine: So I re-ran the dbus command and nothing seems to of happened16:04
kenvandinenothing in the terminal where gwibber-service is running right?16:04
kenvandinedid the dbus-send command return immediately?16:04
davmor2kenvandine: it did16:05
kenvandineok16:05
kenvandineso failing to fetch that avatar is completely hanging the service16:05
kenvandinecan you file a bug and include this traceback in it http://paste.ubuntu.com/668361/16:06
kenvandineand note that the service stops responding after that16:06
kenvandinehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/668363/16:06
kenvandineactually that traceback :)16:06
davmor2kenvandine: no problems16:07
kenvandinedavmor2, thx!16:07
kenvandinehttp://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1481767616/TAACgrab2_normal.jpg16:07
kenvandinecan you view that in a browser?16:07
kenvandineoh, actually i bet it isn't that avatar16:08
rodrigo_kenvandine, hmm, it's complaining about libsocialweb-client, which is installed16:11
rodrigo_I guess it does't find the .vapi file for it?16:11
kenvandinerodrigo_, oh, i didn't build with it16:11
seb128rodrigo_, ok, I looked at your gcm build issue16:12
kenvandinei guess i should explicitly disable it for now16:12
rodrigo_kenvandine, oh ok16:12
seb128rodrigo_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/668389/16:14
seb128rodrigo_, build fix for your gcm update16:14
rodrigo_seb128, ah cool!16:14
seb128rodrigo_, you need to add autoreconf to the rules as well or to patch the Makefile.in16:14
seb128rodrigo_, could you upstream the fix as well when you have time?16:15
davmor2kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/82814216:15
ubot2Ubuntu bug 828142 in gwibber "Gwibber service hangs if an avatar isn't obtained" [Undecided,New]16:15
seb128rodrigo_, btw the libnotify patch seems deprecated not sure why it's still in the vcs, it didn't apply16:15
seb128cyphermox, hey16:15
rodrigo_kenvandine, ok, now it built ok16:17
cyphermoxseb128: hey16:17
seb128cyphermox, how are you?16:17
cyphermoxpretty good16:17
cyphermoxyou?16:17
seb128cyphermox, I signed you for the e-d-s evolution updates on the etherpad yesterday, do you think you will have time for those this week?16:17
seb128cyphermox, I'm great thanks!16:17
rodrigo_kenvandine, can I push this to the branch: http://pastebin.com/XbUx65KM ?16:17
cyphermoxyes, working on it right now ;)16:18
cyphermoxI'm about to upload e-d-s, just checking the bugs in case I can close some off already16:18
seb128great16:18
seb128let's see if the updates make evo run out of gdb ;-)16:18
cyphermoxhehe16:18
cyphermoxthat would be good no? :D16:18
kenvandinerodrigo_, yeah, but bump the version16:19
kenvandinei already uploaded folks16:20
rodrigo_kenvandine, ok16:20
kenvandinerodrigo_, and it is fine building in the archive, just needed for building locally16:20
kenvandinerodrigo_, just leave it as UNRELEASED16:20
rodrigo_kenvandine, yes, it fails if you have libsocialweb-client-dev installed16:20
kenvandineso next upload we get it16:20
rodrigo_yes, not urgent :)16:20
kenvandineseb128, can you NEW folks for me?16:21
seb128kenvandine, once it's built yes16:21
kenvandineoh, you need it built for all the arches i guess16:21
seb128it's better indeed16:21
rodrigo_kenvandine, gnome-contacts shows my couchdb contacts!16:22
kenvandinerodrigo_, woot!16:22
rodrigo_kenvandine, not my google ones though, but evo itself seems to have been having problems with that16:22
kenvandinebut can you link or add contacts?16:22
rodrigo_kenvandine, let me try16:22
kenvandinerodrigo_, yeah... evo  is really sucking right now :(16:22
kenvandineso sad because i have a really hard time using thunderbird16:23
kenvandineit amazes me that people actually like tb16:23
rodrigo_kenvandine, hmm, no, only showing the contacts works16:23
kenvandinei've noticed that using thunderbird on my laptop and evo (with imap+) on my desktop, evo never gets mail that thunderbird has fetched16:24
kenvandinei guess imap+ doesn't mix with old school imap16:24
* kenvandine wished thunderbird supported that16:24
seb128kenvandine, how "gets"? you mean the emails are not listed?16:24
seb128or it doesn't get what is read or not?16:25
kenvandinethey never show up in evolution at all16:25
kenvandinei don'16:25
seb128that's weird16:25
kenvandinei don'16:25
kenvandinedamn16:25
rodrigo_kenvandine, ok, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-contacts/ubuntu ready16:25
rodrigo_kenvandine, I'll follow up upstream with the bugs16:25
seb128I use tb and evo with imap+ on my desktop16:25
kenvandinei don't know a ton about imap, but i think imap+ does something smart where it only gives the client unknown messages16:25
seb128I don't notice issues when switching between them16:25
seb128well at least not missing emails16:25
kenvandineso i assume the way thunderbird is fetching them, it never gives them to evo16:26
seb128do you use send&receive?16:26
seb128or just rely on idle updates?16:26
kenvandinei have huge gaps in my inbox16:26
kenvandinefor both work imap mail and gmail16:26
kenvandinefor example, i left thunderbird running all weekend on my laptop and had my desktop shutdown16:26
kenvandinestarting up on monday, i don't have  a single mail in my inbox from over the weekend16:26
kenvandinei've tried both16:27
seb128that's broken16:27
seb128doesn't happen there16:27
kenvandineweird!16:27
kenvandineit is very annoying16:27
seb128on the canonical imap server16:27
seb128yeah, I can imagine16:27
rodrigo_kenvandine, hmm, right, imap* should leave the messages in the server until they are explicitly removed16:28
rodrigo_maybe tb has some ¬°delete messages from server' option enabled?16:28
kenvandineno, they are still on the server16:32
kenvandineevo just isn't downloading them16:32
kenvandinei've checked16:32
* kenvandine disabled IDLE in evo16:32
kenvandinenow it is VERY busy doing something...16:32
rodrigo_bbl16:43
pedro_seb128, the report is fixed now16:45
seb128pedro_, thanks16:45
pedro_http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/canonical-desktop-team-assigned-bug-tasks.html <- is there now16:45
pedro_i'll point the other pages to there16:46
seb128pedro_, gracias16:46
pedro_you're welcome16:46
seb128;-)16:46
pedro_or denada ;-)16:46
kenvandineseb128, any reason we aren't enable the control center stuff in empathy?16:52
seb128kenvandine, you tell me, you maintain empathy16:52
seb128;-)16:52
* kenvandine checks it out16:52
seb128what gcc things?16:53
kenvandinei think the accounts stuff becomes a plugin in control center16:53
seb128does that still work now that bastien dropped the public library?16:53
kenvandinedunno16:54
seb128well it works for us in any case16:54
seb128cassidy, ^16:54
seb128but I'm not sure if upstream will keep something which doesn't work with GNOME upstream components16:54
kenvandineseb128, libfolks is dep wait for powerpc16:55
kenvandinewaiting for eds16:55
seb128kenvandine, does anyone care about powerpc?16:55
kenvandinehehe16:55
kenvandinecan you NEW it without waiting for ppc?16:55
ayanseb128,pitti: i've added a final patch to that udisks SRU in lp 759963.16:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 759963 in udisks "Volumes on cards inserted in the Realtek card reader (PCI 10ec:5208) not automounted." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75996316:56
seb128kenvandine, oh, already newed16:57
kenvandineoh... cool16:57
seb128kenvandine, speaking of empathy, do you know if the new call ui is a standalone binary?16:58
kenvandinei think it is16:58
seb128kenvandine, i.e something we could ship in a binary not on the CD?16:58
kenvandineno16:58
seb128ok :-(16:58
kenvandinebecause if think if that is enabled, you can't make calls without it16:58
kenvandinei pinged sjoerd a bit ago about that16:59
kenvandinehaven't heard back yet16:59
seb128kenvandine, ok16:59
kenvandineseb128, it was already building with the control center integration :)17:09
jcastrochrisccoulson: I'll just respond here18:10
jcastrostep #1, we should tell people that it exists.18:10
chrisccoulsonhi :)18:10
jcastrochrisccoulson: write something up for me, blog style, then send it to me, I'll massage it, go over it with you, and then publish a call for testing18:11
jcastroit doesn't have to be long or anything18:11
chrisccoulsonjcastro, excellent, thanks18:11
jcastrobasically the same sort of thing you would write up if someone asked you on the forums or something18:12
chrisccoulsonjcastro - the other concern i have as well is that there is a guy who copies all of the beta packages in to his own PPA, without any of the supporting packages that we need people to test18:13
chrisccoulsonand when i read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1352580, it reads like that's the official place to get the beta builds18:13
chrisccoulsonbut he's literally just copying the packages we provide, and not copying any of the other supporting pacakges18:13
chrisccoulsonwhich sucks ;)18:13
chrisccoulsoni'm not too sure how to handle that18:14
jcastrook so, make yours official18:14
jcastroI can't really stop that guy, other than sending him a mail and asking him to instead point to your stuff18:14
jcastrobut you'll need to have a similar style guide/post that gives people what they are looking for18:14
jcastroTHEN we can tell people "that other stuff is crack rock"18:15
chrisccoulsonok, i'll work on that then18:15
jcastroit doesn't need to be perfect, we can iterate18:15
jcastroand then we'll mail that lovinglinux guy, he always has tons of guides and stuff for people18:15
brycehseb128, alright will do; I wasn't sure what the policy was for changes18:38
seb128bryceh, it's usually good to check with the team before updating a default install desktop components but you can as well ask on IRC18:54
seb128bryceh, nobody is really looking after xchat or xchat-gnome so feel free to upload there ;-)18:54
micahgumm, please don't break xchat though as Xubuntu is still using it :)18:55
brycehmicahg, well I'm using it too, so breaking it is fairly low on my todo list :-)18:56
brycehseb128, ok thanks, will do.18:56
seb128bryceh, thank you for the work on it ;-)18:57
brycehmicahg, or I should say, I'm using xchat-gnome; not touching xchat just pulling fixes from it into xchat-gnome that looked safe18:57
brycehxchat-gnome forked part of xchat's codebase, and both projects have made fixes to their forked codes.  Would be easier if they'd packaged that as libxchat or some such19:01
micahgbryceh: I trust you not to break it, just wanted to put it out there that derivatives still use it :)19:01
brycehmicahg, right, but xchat as opposed to xchat-gnome?19:01
micahgbryceh: yeah, Xubuntu is using xchat, not xchat-gnome19:02
brycehmicahg, alrighty, steering clear of xchat19:05
micahgbryceh: no, that wasn't what I was implying :), please feel free to fix things19:06
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TheMusojibel: Interesting, because at-spi2-core is in the desktop seed as a recommends.21:38
jbichamdeslaur: anyone know the latest Synaptic does not have the polkit policy in the x86 build but it does in the 64-bit?21:47
jbichahttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/0.75.2ubuntu4/21:47
jbichareported in bug 82831521:47
ubot2Launchpad bug 828315 in synaptic "/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/com/ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic.policy not in package, synaptic fails to open" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82831521:47
jbicha*know why21:47
RAOFWhy is it that 2am is my peak ping time? :)22:03
TheMusolol22:07
SarvattRAOF: because the narrow time period when most all of the US and europe are working? :P22:07
RAOFYup, most likely!22:08
bassouhm23:01
bassohello!23:01
bassoi installed gnome 3 in an ubuntu minimal install, and i got some god damn irritating system sounds, which i cant mute :O23:02
bassoaww god i found a solution23:04
bassosilence...23:04
jbichabasso: this is the channel for Ubuntu Desktop development, you probably want #ubuntu+1 for Oneiric questions23:04
bassoim still on 11.0423:05
basso:)23:05
bassobut i fixed it23:05
jbichayeah, this is for Oneiric development, cool23:05
jbicharobert_ancell: hi23:06
robert_ancelljbicha, good morning23:06
jbicharobert_ancell: I'm not sure if you were watching unity-greeter bugs like this minor annoyance bug 82774923:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 827749 in unity-greeter "keyboard focus doesn't return to password field after changing session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82774923:07
desrtrobert_ancell: get your GVariant format string stuff sorted?23:12
robert_ancelljbicha, yes, I think it may be a GTK+ issue23:12
robert_ancelldesrt, yeah, I wasn't using a pointer in the last one.  All sorted now thanks23:13
robert_ancelljbicha, there was a similar issue I spent ages tracking down last time, then a GTK+ update removed it so I've been a bit wary spending time on this one :)23:14
jbichahmm, ok23:16
robert_ancellRAOF, how are you with X/GTK keyboard focus problems?23:21
RAOFrobert_ancell: Not particularly proficient, but I'm always up for making wild guesses in areas I'm vaguely familiar with :)23:22
robert_ancellRAOF, if you have any ideas please comment on bug 81080523:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 810805 in ayatana-design "Cursor does not show up in password field" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81080523:25
robert_ancelljbicha, I updated that bug, If you have any ideas feel free to play around!23:26
jbichayeah, my bug might be a duplicate of that one then23:27
mdeslaurjbicha: ohm that's odd...I'll take a look tomorrow23:30
jbichamdeslaur: cool, thanks23:30
robert_ancellhey, I take it it's safe to upgrade now (no glib bug?)23:40
jbicharobert_ancell: no problems here23:41
robert_ancelljbicha, cool, thanksa23:41
jbichaI wasn't affected by the bug since I ruthlessly delete old libraries, lol23:42

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