[15:00] <mvo> hello
[15:00] <jhunt> o/
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 17 15:02:03 2011 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[15:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: lightning round
[15:02] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt mvo ev bdmurray slangasek)
[15:02] <slangasek> doko barry mvo cjwatson bdmurray jhunt stgraber ev slangasek
[15:04] <slangasek> doko_: what's new in the world of lightning?
[15:05] <doko_> ouch, barry, can you go first?
[15:05] <barry> bug 788514 completed! (dh_python2 transition); investigated bug 816169; fixed bug 826795; fixed bug 824734 (upstream, doko merged); debian bug 633015 (sys.platform == 'linux2'); recovered from fglrx folly; done.
[15:05] <barry>  
[15:06] <mvo> done?
[15:06] <barry> done!
[15:06] <mvo> apt: work on the automatic tests, review debdelta diff for SoC, add support into auto-upgrade-tester for Apt::Immediate-configure-all=true; run tests against new ordering apt-chris branch and ping-pong problems with him, add the architectures to the mirror method querry string, merge fixes from debian/donkult
[15:06] <mvo> aptdaemon: debug/fix #819328, debug/fix crash #825056
[15:06] <mvo> software-center:  work on lp:~mvo/software-center/sortable-app-tree-view, review lp:~alexeftimie/software-center/packagekit-backend, review/merge review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/software-center/gi-fixes, upload new version, fix AUTHORS file merging into about dialog, debug/fix bug in private-dbus test scenario port to gir1.2-gmenu-3.0, debug/fix race in exhibits fetcher, lp:~mvo/software-center/gtk3-install-progress-autotest, fix bu
[15:06] <mvo> g in treeview search , add test for it, debug gtkbuilder issue with spacing all wrong, submit bug #825173 with testcase, fix crash in gtk3 when a transaction finishes
[15:06] <mvo> softare-properties: fix bug in add-apt-repository for PPAs
[15:06] <mvo> apt-ddtp: updated
[15:06] <slangasek> a question came up on IRC the other day about what to do for packages that are still being backported to hardy, where we'll never have dh_python2... heh
[15:06] <mvo> update-manager: review/merge +lp:~brian-murray/update-manager/tag-dist-upgrade,enable multiarch on upgrade, do not try to install reqired foreign arch packages,,  review/merge https://launchpad.net/bugs/824957
[15:06] <mvo> ubuntu-vm-builder: drive-by fixup in the packaging and upload new version
[15:06] <mvo> command-not-found: review/merge lp:~julien-nicoulaud/command-not-found/fix-zsh-hook
[15:06] <mvo> misc: write sqlite3-debversions plugin for a debversion collate function
[15:06] <mvo> EOF
[15:06] <barry> slangasek: heh
[15:08] <doko_> well, at some time you have to make a cut, then these people have to take care about two packaging variants
[15:09] <doko_> - more JamVM updates
[15:09] <doko_> - integrate ARM hard float patches into eglibc, libffi, gcj
[15:09] <doko_> - testing for Linaro GCC 4.5 and 4.6 release; powerpc and ARM
[15:09] <doko_> - adjust linker flags for ghc and ocaml
[15:09] <doko_> - fix some build failures
[15:09] <doko_> - GCC bug triage
[15:09] <doko_> - started test rebuild
[15:09] <doko_> --
[15:10] <cjwatson> Cleaned up highly amusing live filesystem build failures due to livecd-rootfs having been accidentally removed from the build chroots.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Released initial version of syslinux-themes-ubuntu, which is enough to support localised image building.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Working on testing and client-side scripting for new native source sync facility; this is now open to developers and we should be able to announce it soon, modulo a few bugs (mostly presentational issues).  Looking forward to not having to process the sync queue quite so much!
[15:11] <cjwatson> Trying to cut down the NBS queue.  This is taking a while; I've been ending up chasing down the mess that the EFL library stack is in (FFes #828033 and #828004), and also openswan/strongswan and various other bits and pieces.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Fixed up ntfs-3g seeds and dependencies in a few places.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Chased down bug constructing -security entries in sources.list during installation (#820306), requiring SRUs.
[15:11] <cjwatson> Continuing to push various Launchpad changes up the hill.  RT#47132 is involving some back-and-forth.
[15:11] <cjwatson> --
[15:11] <barry> sync'ing \o/
[15:11] <bdmurray> Implemented DuplicateSignature's for apport-package bug reports and a package-conflict tag in apport
[15:11] <bdmurray> apport upload preventing reporting of bugs where the conflicting package is not an Ubuntu one
[15:12] <mvo> \o/
[15:12] <bdmurray> Created duplicate signatures for existing apport-package install failures and marked approximately 200 bug reports as duplicates
[15:12] <bdmurray> Tagged existing package-conflict bug reports in Launchpad
[15:12] <bdmurray> updated ubiquity source package apport hook to detect I/O errors on CD drives
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug triage of ubiquity bug reports (looking for I/O errors on CD drives and testing a duplicate signature using tracebacks in syslog files)
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug pattern writing for bug 825786 and bug 798459
[15:12] <bdmurray> created a packages with recent bugs report - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/foundations-bugs/recent-package-bugs.html
[15:12] <bdmurray> done
[15:13] <jhunt> Holiday last week. This week working on Upstart job logging feature.
[15:13] <jhunt> ❄
[15:13] <barry> jhunt: you and your fancy unicodes :)
[15:14] <jhunt> ☺
[15:14] <barry> :) /me goes old skool
[15:14] <ev> - Fighting camerabin move from gstreamer-plugins-bad to gstreamer-plugins-good
[15:14] <ev> - Fixing Wubi disk image first stage bootloader
[15:14] <ev> - Fixing dependency issues and other weirdness around the PyGI ubiquity
[15:14] <ev> - Fixes to webcam and wireless pages
[15:14] <ev> (done)
[15:16] <slangasek> is that fight ongoing?
[15:17] <doko_> still in component mismatches
[15:18] <ev> yep
[15:18] <slangasek> doh
[15:18] <slangasek> ev: is it just a buildsystem wiring problem?
[15:18] <ev> it's just silly copy and paste mistakes on my part
[15:18] <ev> and the insanely long time it takes to build gstreamer on my machine
[15:19] <slangasek> heh
[15:19] <slangasek> * helped a bit with the stragglers on bug #788514
[15:19] <slangasek> * pushed through a set of FFe multiarch library uploads to get flashplugin and skype multiarch-ready for this cycle
[15:19] <slangasek> * spent some time vivisecting ia32-libs
[15:19] <slangasek> * vowed to remove ia32-libs from the archive as soon as P opens
[15:19] <slangasek> * got cron rebuilt with a current debhelper, so that it would stop launching in my chroots now that upstart chroot passthrough support works
[15:20] <slangasek> EOF
[15:20] <slangasek> Any questions?
[15:22] <slangasek> bdmurray says no bug updates for this week
[15:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:22] <meetingology> TOPIC: AOB
[15:22] <slangasek> anything else you'd like to get off your chest?  Now's the time :-)
[15:22] <mvo> please test software-center-gtk3 if you feel like it and let me know about problems
[15:22] <barry> anybody else seeing higher than normal timeouts from launchpad?
[15:23] <doko_> demotions ... I assume we can demote a whole lot of java packages
[15:23] <mvo> its just part of the normal software-center packages and should just work(tm)
[15:23] <slangasek> I haven't been seeing any timeouts... have they lowered the threshold again?
[15:23] <barry> slangasek: dunno, i'm being ignored on #launchpad-dev :)
[15:23] <barry> slangasek: can you try this one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=chromium-browser
[15:23] <slangasek> that means they're running around fixing whatever they broke, right? :)
[15:24] <barry> :-D
[15:24] <mvo> I did see some timeouts on LP, but not more than usually
[15:24] <ev> software-center-gtk3> MY EYES
[15:24] <doko_> barry: were some internal tools ported to python3? or should I ask, mvo, ev, pitti, ...
[15:24] <mvo> ev: haha, the yellow in the banner? or the general UI?
[15:24] <barry> my god it's full of stars
[15:24] <bdmurray> barry: it timed out for me
[15:24] <mvo> doko_: I prepared some stuff, but hit various roadblocks (like pygi ;)
[15:25] <barry> bdmurray: thanks
[15:25] <slangasek> barry: confirmed the timeout - that's not something I would normally use though, what does a search in "Ubuntu" return for that?
[15:25] <barry> slangasek: it would return a package containing packages and upstream branches, etc.
[15:25] <slangasek> doko_: did something change in javaland that will let us demote a bunch of packages?
[15:25] <slangasek> barry: ah
[15:25] <ev> I haven't ported anything to python3
[15:25] <mvo> could I get a sync for "python-coverage" using the new LP feature? or is it not quite the right time yet for tihs?
[15:25] <doko_> slangasek, eucalyptus
[15:26] <cjwatson> mvo: not ready for everyone to do it, but I'm sure I could use another beta tester :)  I'll send you instructions by /msg
[15:26] <mvo> I hit the issues that py3 will require the GI dbus and that is not fully done yet last I heared
[15:26] <slangasek> mvo: <span font_desc="bold 34">Title</span> doesn't look quite right :)  (clicking on "Moovida Me...")
[15:26] <mvo> cjwatson: great, thanks!
[15:26] <slangasek> doko_: oh, sure :)
[15:27] <slangasek> mvo: also: consistent misuse of "Its" vs. "It's" in the banners
[15:27] <slangasek> :)
[15:27] <barry> yeah, the python3 porting project didn't get off the ground this cycle as much as i wanted
[15:27] <mvo> slangasek: moovida> oh, I haven't seen this one yet, could you do a screenshot for me
[15:27] <mvo> slangasek: its> don't let germans write text, see e.g. nietsche for how this ends
[15:27] <slangasek> heh
[15:28] <slangasek> yes, will screenshot :)
[15:28]  * mvo should actually learn to type too
[15:28] <mvo> anyway
[15:30] <slangasek> mvo: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/software-center-gtk-your-markup-is-showing.png
[15:31] <mvo> slangasek: oh, woah. this looks like nothing at all is initialized yet for some reason, that is not intended
[15:31] <mvo> slangasek: anything suspicious in the terminal or ~/.xsession-errors from s-c-gtk3?
[15:31] <bdmurray> the reviews for vlc are taking a very long time to load
[15:32] <slangasek> 2011-08-17 08:23:39,806 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.em - INFO - EM's: 17 15 21
[15:32] <slangasek> 2011-08-17 08:23:46,438 - softwarecenter.backend.reviews - WARNING - Could not get usefulness from server, no username in config file
[15:32] <slangasek> 2011-08-17 08:23:57,182 - softwarecenter.ui.gtk3.app - INFO - software-center-agent finished with status 1
[15:32] <slangasek> mvo: ^^ that's it
[15:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: are they video reviews
[15:32] <bdmurray> slangasek: no those are on youtube
[15:33] <mvo> slangasek: thanks, odd that. is it reproducable?
[15:33] <slangasek> mvo: hmm.  no!
[15:33] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks! but they show up eventually ?
[15:33] <slangasek> mvo: restarted, now it renders correctly
[15:33] <mvo> slangasek: the best kind of bugs :/
[15:34] <bdmurray> mvo: no, no reviews have shown up
[15:34] <mvo> thanks a bunch for this, but I don't want to hijack this meeting with this :)
[15:34] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, I check if I can rperoduce
[15:34] <mvo> reproduce even
[15:34] <slangasek> mvo: enjoy :)
[15:35] <slangasek> I think that's about everything then, yes?
[15:36] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 15:36:04 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[15:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-17-15.02.moin.txt
[15:36] <slangasek> yes :)
[15:36] <slangasek> thanks, all
[15:36] <barry> thanks slangasek!
[15:36] <jhunt> thanks!
[15:37] <mvo> thanks
[16:59] <hggdh> ok
[16:59] <hggdh> QA meeting will start in 30 seconds
[17:00] <hggdh> anybody here for it? jibel, patrickmw, Ursinha, pedro, any others?
[17:00] <gema> hi
[17:00] <patrickmw> aye
[17:00] <Ursinha> I am
[17:00] <Ursinha> printing
[17:00] <Ursinha> sprinting
[17:00] <hggdh> and gema :-)
[17:00] <Ursinha> not printing
[17:00] <Ursinha> lol
[17:00] <hggdh> ok
[17:00] <hggdh> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 17 17:00:32 2011 UTC.  The chair is hggdh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
[17:00] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[17:00] <Ursinha> .17
[17:00] <Ursinha> sorry
[17:01] <hggdh> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:01] <meetingology> TOPIC: Previous Actions
[17:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[17:01] <hggdh> any previous actions? I am not aware of any
[17:01] <charlie-tca> no previous actions that I can think of
[17:01] <hggdh> BTW, apology from bdmurray, not available tonight
[17:02] <hggdh> so
[17:02] <hggdh> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:02] <meetingology> TOPIC: Community Efforts/Testing
[17:02] <hggdh> pedro is not available either, BTW.
[17:02] <hggdh> anything on community efforts?
[17:03] <jibel> It's not like if they were in the same timezone as me ;)
[17:03] <jibel> Hey all o/
[17:03] <jibel> Nothing special this week, just a few dates:
[17:03] <jibel> Oneiric Beta 1 testing will start in less than 2 weeks:
[17:03] <jibel> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <jibel> Followed immediately by the Ubuntu Global Jam:
[17:04] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[17:04] <jibel> which incorporates a Testing event depending on where you will be attending
[17:04] <jibel> that's all from me
[17:04] <jibel> ..
[17:04] <jibel> any question ?
[17:04] <hggdh> thank you, jibel
[17:04] <hggdh> with no questions, we move on
[17:05] <hggdh> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:05] <meetingology> TOPIC: Automated/Systems Testing
[17:05] <patrickmw> = Public Jenkins =
[17:05] <patrickmw> • It's official - https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[17:05] <patrickmw> = DX Testing =
[17:05] <patrickmw> • DX testing environment ready to start creating jobs
[17:05] <patrickmw> • Open RT for getting LP access in order to branch projects -kind of important :)
[17:05] <hggdh> patrickmw: floor is yours
[17:05]  * hggdh was, as usual, too slow
[17:06] <patrickmw> Now everyone can see the status of our automated testing suites/
[17:06] <patrickmw> this will continue to grow, so keep an eye out
[17:06] <patrickmw> ..
[17:06] <hggdh> patrickmw: the public Jenkins is read-only for all, correct?
[17:06] <patrickmw> yes
[17:07] <jibel> patrickmw, will the public jenkins be opened to derivatives e.g xubuntu ?
[17:07] <patrickmw> I see the instance to be available for all and any testing
[17:07] <charlie-tca> really?
[17:07] <hggdh> :-)
[17:07] <patrickmw> yes
[17:07] <charlie-tca> thanks
[17:08] <hggdh> BTW, the test code we run there is located at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-iso-testing-dev/ubuntu-server-iso-testing/trunk
[17:08] <patrickmw> anything, but you will have to go through us to get your requests on the backlog
[17:08] <hggdh> please do not be put off by the title -- when we started, it was only for the server. Now it is anything we can get to run ;-)
[17:09] <hggdh> so, if you are willing to, please add tests and propose merges
[17:09]  * charlie-tca will try to learn how to do that
[17:09] <charlie-tca> ..
[17:09] <jibel> hggdh, we should definitely rename this project because it tests more than ISOs now
[17:09] <patrickmw> agreed
[17:09] <hggdh> jibel: I agree
[17:10] <patrickmw> i'll put in on the backlog :)
[17:10] <hggdh> we can discuss it out-of-band, and then rename the beast
[17:10] <hggdh> so
[17:10] <hggdh> anything else on automated tests?
[17:10] <patrickmw> yes, I have a few other topics about the framework too.  Nothing else from me
[17:11] <hggdh> please go ahead, patrickmw
[17:11] <patrickmw> offline is best :)
[17:11] <hggdh> ok
[17:11] <hggdh> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:11] <meetingology> TOPIC: Engineering Team Bug Status
[17:11] <hggdh> bdmurray and pedro are absent. So... Ursinha ?
[17:12] <jibel> they are sprinting not absent. And Ursinha is printing, that may take a while.
[17:12] <hggdh> LOL
[17:13]  * hggdh feels the printing is quite long
[17:13] <hggdh> we move on.
[17:13] <negueba> hey folks, don't know if the problem happens just for me but in ubuntu 11.04 the drivers atl1c and ath9k don't work at the same time... the system always happens to freezes at the splash screen... to get the system work i need to first disable my wireless card and then rmmod any of the drivers
[17:13] <hggdh> for the record, most of the QA folks are in a sprint
[17:14] <hggdh> negueba: this is not the correct channel. Please try #ubuntu
[17:14] <jibel> negueba, we appreciate your problem but there is a meeting in progress
[17:14] <negueba> i'm sorry guys
[17:14] <hggdh> so their absence is justified (it is time for beers)
[17:14] <hggdh> so we move on
[17:15] <hggdh> [TOPIC] Odds & Ends
[17:15] <meetingology> TOPIC: Odds & Ends
[17:15] <hggdh> this is open floor. Anyone wishing to talk should do so now
[17:15] <hggdh> 3
[17:15] <hggdh> 2
[17:16] <hggdh> 1
[17:16] <hggdh> TOPIC: Chair Selection
[17:16] <hggdh> any candidates?
[17:16] <hggdh> otherwise it will be shuf -e charlie-tca patrickmw pedro_ bdmurray jibel Ursinha|head -1
[17:16] <hggdh> charlie-tca: can I include your name?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[17:17] <hggdh> jibel: you have been selected...
[17:17] <hggdh> :-)
[17:17] <hggdh> [ACTION] jibel to chair next meeting
[17:17] <meetingology> ACTION: jibel to chair next meeting
[17:17] <charlie-tca> :)
[17:18] <charlie-tca> That sure is easier
[17:18] <hggdh> and so, with the deafening silence on us, I...
[17:18] <hggdh> #endmeeting
[17:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 17:18:32 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4)
[17:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-17-17.00.moin.txt
[17:18] <jibel> hggdh, Cool, I'm so happy to chair again thanks !
[17:18] <hggdh> jibel: my shuffle was poisoned ;-)
[17:19]  * jibel back to fixing his lawn mower
[17:19]  * hggdh back to resolving the issues on bug 795159
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Thank you, hggdh